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More of the same red herrings. (was Re: algore in hell again...) [message #85932 is a reply to message #85915] Sun, 03 June 2007 23:23 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Jamie K is currently offline  Jamie K   UNITED STATES
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Registered: July 2006
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DC wrote:
> Where did the global warming on Mars come from?
>
> Exxon?

Facetiousness is fun. But look deeper. It's a different process on Mars.

Here:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1720024.ece

"The mechanism at work on Mars appears, however, to be different from
that on Earth. One of the researchers, Lori Fenton, believes variations
in radiation and temperature across the surface of the Red Planet are
generating strong winds.

In a paper published in the journal Nature, she suggests that such winds
can stir up giant dust storms, trapping heat and raising the planet’s
temperature.

Fenton’s team unearthed heat maps of the Martian surface from Nasa’s
Viking mission in the 1970s and compared them with maps gathered more
than two decades later by Mars Global Surveyor. They found there had
been widespread changes, with some areas becoming darker.

When a surface darkens it absorbs more heat, eventually radiating that
heat back to warm the thin Martian atmosphere: lighter surfaces have the
opposite effect. The temperature differences between the two are thought
to be stirring up more winds, and dust, creating a cycle that is warming
the planet."


> Many scientists think that the sun is the engine driving things...

Of course the sun is the major engine driving our climate.

However measurements of changes in the output of the sun do not
correlate with the recent measured warming trend. So while sun drives
climate, the recent change we are seeing are not caused by changes in
the sun's output.

Here:

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/12/28/090/30666

"According to PMOD at the World Radiation Center there has been no
increase in solar irradiance since at least 1978, when satellite
observations began. This means that for the last thirty years, while the
temperature has been rising fastest, the sun has not changed."


> I dunno, and I am actually inclined towards the "play it safe" position
> as long as we can get the corrupt and all the wackos away from
> making the decisions...

Playing it save is a conservative stance. It's the prudent position
given what we know.

Keeping corruption out is a great idea. Stupidity, too.


> What is so interesting to me is how the current consensus is being
> exposed as the politically-motivated sham it has always been.

How so? Your last example was inaccurate.

I think the "sham" notion is a pretension propagated by those who feel
they have something, somehow, to lose by facing the facts.

Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com



> DC
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>> Don,
>>
>> Check the polar icecap. This was taken from Google Earth today. Where did
> it
>> go...or has it always been this tiny?
>>
>> I can't find any satellite photos of the North Pole in 1992 to compare.
>>
>> It's probably Bush's fault.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "DC" <dc@spammersinthetroposphere.com> wrote in message
>> news:46630a29$1@linux...
>>> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html? id=c47c1209-233b-412c-b6d1-5c755457a8af
>>>
>>> This is getting interesting innit?
>>>
>>> DC
>>>
>>
>>
>

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