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Facts and Action (was Re: algore in hell again...) [message #86106 is a reply to message #86046] Tue, 05 June 2007 14:31 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Jamie K is currently offline  Jamie K   UNITED STATES
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James, the current global warming is a measured fact. No one who can
read temperature records is disputing it.

Evidence for human contribution to the current global warming is quite
compelling and well accepted among climate scientists overall. These are
not stupid people and they are not conspiring to rip us off. They are
not political pundits, talk show windbags, politicians or mafioso.

They are scientists, geeks, nerds and, some of them, real heroes.

These scientists have invested their lives in learning all that we know
about climate. Based on their excellent research, we know enough to act
on, and we know it in time for actions to make a difference - which is
good news.

Not acting would be completely irresponsible, given the risks.

How we act is up for discussion. There are many options, we need to
choose an optimal combination.

I favor acting in ways that build the economy, stimulate innovation and
increase our energy independence and national security. This could be a
net win rather than a huge cost. Anyone who thinks dealing with
anthropogenic global warming is too expensive, total up the costs of not
dealing with it and think again.

At this point, after decades of serious scientific study, calling it
bullshit is bullshit. You may think some folks are being too alarmist
about it, and maybe they are. But climate change is a problem, the
scientific evidence is there, and it won't go away by pretending it
doesn't exist or being fearful about stepping up to the plate. Since
when have we been afraid to face facts in this country?

It's time to keep our heads out of the sand, act prudently, and plan
wisely for the next generations.

Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com




James McCloskey wrote:
> I believe in science, I believe in funding science. I don't believe in funding
> bullshit!
>
> Global warming is a boondoggle!
>
> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>> Yeah, let's not finance science whatever we do. It's just a big conspiracy
>
>> to destroy religion.
>>
>> S
>>
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4664a51e$1@linux...
>>> Sounding the alarm bells!!! It's a crisis!!! We are going to fall
>>> behind!!!
>>> hurry, hurry, hurry! Call your government officials and let them know
>
>>> they
>>> need to spend, spend, spend!!! Money, money, money!!!
>>>
>>> Boy, if we don't spend more money on this global warming thing we are
> all
>>> going to die!!! What bull shit!
>>>
>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19030744/
>>>
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> i guess you'd have to go to mylasia and the sort where the islands are
>>>>> disappearing under the sea a little each year. i don't know why
>>>>> people insist on global cataclysm before the "possibility" exists.
>>>>> shit happens and happens all the time and historically we've had
>>>>> warming and cooling trends on this blue marble. i find it hard to
>>>>> deny that we (all 6 billion plus) do not negatively impact our
>>>>> surroundings in some way and possibly faster than the planet can
>>>>> correct it.
>>>>> the "it's all about money" works both ways and it ain't always the
>>>>> leftie commie longhair atheists makin' a buck.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Yeah it is!
>>>>
>>>>> On 5 Jun 2007 01:07:29 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There were a bunch of Greens that went to the north poll to prove that
>>>> it
>>>>>> is now warm. They literally had to cut their feet and hands off because
>>>>>> of frost bite.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it has already melted where are all the floods Al Gore is talking
>
>>>>>> about???
>>>>>> It's still bullshit!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> James...........go to Google Earth and find the north Pole (0:00)
>>>>>>> degrees
>>>>>>> longitude and 90:00 latitude and tell me if you see any snow there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll save you some time.......it's water now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Deej
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:4663a090$1@linux...
>>>>>>>> Your dragging me in to this. The european space agency has been
>
>>>>>>>> taking
>>>>>>>> photos
>>>>>>>> of the polar caps for years. They say that they melt an break and
>>> all
>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>> They say they refreeze, and are staying the same size over all.
> They
>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> not shrinking, it's a big lie!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Al Gore is a lier. It's about money! A greasy politician like Al
>>> Gore
>>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>>> be involved if it wasn't. He is buying Global offsets for $0.10
> and
>>>>>>>> turning
>>>>>>>> and selling them to us for a dollar, it's about money. These
>>>>>>>> trilateralist
>>>>>>>> want to turn it in to a tax. they want to take the tax revenue and
>>>> hand
>>>>>>>> it to third world countries. Guilt tax!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The truth is, our government spends over two billion dollars a year
>>>> to
>>>>>>>> study
>>>>>>>> this. The scientist that are on the government gravy train want
> to
>>>> get
>>>>>>>> funding
>>>>>>>> increased. Other scientist are saying it's not true. Man made
>>>>>>>> global
>>>>>>>> warming
>>>>>>>> is a scam.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Scientist are divided on this issue of man made Global Warming.
> Man
>>>> made
>>>>>>>> Global Warming is a theory. There is no conclusive proof.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All the scientist know we are going through a sun cycle that has
> been
>>>>>>>> warming
>>>>>>>> the earth.
>>>>>>>> Show me some proof that people are dyeing from Global Warming, you
>>> can't.
>>>>>>>> There has always been bad weather. The earth always goes through
>
>>>>>>>> cycles.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The guy that came up with man made global warming said back in the
>>> 70s
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> we would be in an ice age right now. So which is it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's about money.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry I'm not buying in to the man's bullshit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I'm serious James. I grew up in south Texas, and spent a good part
>>>> of
>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> life on the Gulf coast. there were droughts and heat waves and
>>>>>>>>> hurricanes
>>>>>>>>> and all sorts of cyclical weather events. I'm well over the half
>
>>>>>>>>> century
>>>>>>>>> mark so I may have a little perspective on this due to my qualifying
>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> somewhat of an old fart, and I've never seen sustained water
>>>>>>>>> temperatures
>>>>>>>>> this high in the gulf of Mexico. that may not cause hurricanes in
> and
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> itself, but it the warmer the water, the more likely a tropical storm
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> turn into a real motherfucker on the half shell.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:46638b62$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Don,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Check the polar icecap. This was taken from Google Earth today.
>
>>>>>>>>>>> Where
>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> go...or has it always been this tiny?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I can't find any satellite photos of the North Pole in 1992 to
>
>>>>>>>>>>> compare.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's probably Bush's fault.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gore melted it with all his hot air!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinthetroposphere.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:46630a29$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html? id=c47c1209-233b-412c-b6d1-5c755457a8af
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is getting interesting innit?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>

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