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Re: Pinging Rod Lincoln, Dimitrios or any wrapper/chainer users [message #103335 is a reply to message #103334] Thu, 30 April 2009 03:21 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Erling is currently offline  Erling   DENMARK
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Good to hear Don, that it's now working well for you.
Sorry, if it wasn't clear enough but my question was to Rod, about his
problematic VST plugins, if he had tried them with Chainer in Paris.

"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse news:49f97c66@linux...
> As I mentioned this problem only shows up when I enable DirectX in
> Paris...once disabled all is well
>
>
> "Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message news:49f957f5@linux...
>> Have you tested problematic vst plugins with Chainer in Paris? I seems to
>> remember most of the VST plugin-problems disappeared for me when using
>> Chainer and not Paris to open them.
>>
>> Erling
>>
>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>> news:49f8f634$1@linux...
>>>
>>> fwiw, I use vst with no problems. I have a folder on the root level of
>>> my
>>> C drive. inside that, I have 3 folders, named 1. VST plugs, 2. Powered
>>> plugins
>>> 3. non powered wrapped plugs.
>>> I point the vst path in Paris to the folder 1.(vst plugs)
>>> Folder 2. is the UAD Plugs, which get wrapped by the fxpansion wrapper.
>>> Folder
>>> 3 contains vst plugs that are problematic to paris, in vst
>>> world....usually
>>> the newer ones are. I wrap folder 3 seperetly from folder 2. everything
>>> seems
>>> to work pretty well....except sometimes I get unhandled exception errors
>>> on starting or quiting a ppj that contains UAD plugs.
>>> Hope that helps..if you need more personal assistance...you have my
>>> number
>>> dude.
>>> Rod
>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>For whatever reason enabling DX and removing the VST folder is Paris
>>>>config
>>>
>>>>turns my Paris start up into a nightmare of pop up error windows so I
>>>>went
>>>
>>>>back to disabling DX and pointing Paris to my VST folder to take care of
>>>
>>>>things.
>>>>
>>>>I'm not really happy with that ugly tan coloured interface that
>>>>accompanies
>>>
>>>>each plugin as it eats up a lot of landscape on my monitors but if
>>>>that's
>>>
>>>>the price I have to pay so be it...I'll get used to it in time.
>>>>
>>>>I'm also using Faderworks in slot one and so far it's doing the job
>>>>nicely.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote in message news:49f5e059$1@linux...
>>>>> Thanks guys...gonna give it a go this afternoon
>>>>>
>>>>> Living dangerously
>>>>>
>>>>> Don
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:49f5cff2@linux...
>>>>>> Hey Don,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Glad to hear things are coming together for you!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When you open the native plugins list there's a little stereo box you
>>>>>> can check in the lower left hand corner. It chooses the
>>>>>> track to the right as the right channel. Sometimes Paris doesn't
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> using paris mono effects with stereo natives though. It's helpful
>>>>>> to have the audio on the stereo tracks be exactly the same length
>>>>>> and with no edits. Sometimes it doesn't matter regarding the edits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:49f59491$1@linux...
>>>>>>> So now the dumb question
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How does one use stereo plugins in Paris or is it possible?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:49f56be2@linux...
>>>>>>>> Yes, it's both mono and stereo. In stereo, if I remember correct,
>>>>>>>> Paris
>>>
>>>>>>>> must use channels 1-2, 3-4 and up as pair, not 2-3, 4-5 and up. But
>>> I
>>>>>>>> believe that's the way Paris allways have worked with plugins in
>>>>>>>> stereo
>>>
>>>>>>>> channels.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good to hear your system now is stable and working as you wish and
>>> your
>>>>>>>> wife didn't need to call an ambulance yesterday;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Erling
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>>> news:49f4efc0@linux...
>>>>>>>>> That Xlutop chainer looks pretty impressive...does it do both mono
>>> and
>>>>>>>>> stereo plugs because the FFX4 is either mono or stereo.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I also tried Dimitrios' Avcon Digital and it seemed to do the
>>>>>>>>> trick
>>>
>>>>>>>>> (at first glance) and I'll be looking at it again this evening.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bottom line is I have a stable setup, all the plugs are playing
>>>>>>>>> nice
>>>
>>>>>>>>> with each other and I even have two ways to deal with latency,
>>>>>>>>> i.e.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Faderworks and Sample slide - both have their pros and cons but
>>>>>>>>> both
>>>
>>>>>>>>> will be used.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks to all who called and submitted replies. You helped remove
>>> that
>>>>>>>>> insane look in my eyes which had my wife seriously worried
>>>>>>>>> yesterday
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> hehehe
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:49f4dc55@linux...
>>>>>>>>>> Jeff, it seems to be different ways to do this. I just know that
>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> have never disabled DirectX in Paris when using FXpansion 3.3
>>>>>>>>>> wrapper
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> in combination with "Xlutop Chainer". For me, it seems real
>>>>>>>>>> logical,
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> since FXpansion VST-DX Adapter/Wrapper is a DX plugin, that need
>>> an
>>>>>>>>>> opn DX line to be used - and Chainer is a VST host that can show
>>> up
>>>>>>>>>> VST plugins with the help of FXpansion 3.3.
>>>>>>>>>> The thing I remember making problems for me, was when Paris used
>>> its
>>>>>>>>>> own VSTfolder in combination with FX and Chainer. Therefore I
>>>>>>>>>> allways
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> have VST folder in Paris.cfg disabled, so it is only Chainer that
>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> find the VST plugin folder in Steinberg and FXpansion 3.3 to find
>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Chainer.exe folder, that knows where the VST plugins are.
>>>>>>>>>> I don't use FFX4 at all because I know "Xlutop Chainer" could
>>>>>>>>>> open
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> much more VST plugins on each Paris-channel for me. I have used
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> combination since Dimitros talked about "Xlutop Chainer" here - I
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> believe it must be 6-7 years now - and I have been really happy
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> that "FXpansion 3.3-Xlutop Chainer"combination to use my VST
>>>>>>>>>> plugins.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I also know it's working well with Paris and my AMD Quad computer
>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> Norway, with Mike Audet's new drivers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I know we have written about wrapper combinations here up against
>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> years, so if the archives are doing well and going back to the
>>>>>>>>>> beginning of this century, it could be found something about it
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> some searching.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But as said, it seems to be different ways to do this. If it
>>>>>>>>>> workes,
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> it workes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Erling
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Jeff Hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>>>>> news:49f4c405$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>> THe way I remember it is a little different:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -Disable Directx
>>>>>>>>>>> -Put your wrapper and Faderworks in the VST folder identified in
>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> paris.cfg file.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Fire up Paris. You should be able to see the wrapper and
>>>>>>>>>>> Fadersworks as native plugs. Load any dx/other vst plugs you
>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> in the wrapper. Set your delays in Faderworks.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As I remember, TOm Bruhl is the one acutally utilizing this most
>>> (my
>>>>>>>>>>> rig is put away right now), so you might ping him specifically.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> JH
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Erling wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Don, are we talking about the same type of Chainer? FFX4
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chainer,
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't it Vince Burel's VST to DX wrapper?
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm talking about this Chainer:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.xlutop.com/html/chainer.html in combination with
>>>>>>>>>>>> FXpansion 3.3.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Be sure there isn't any VST folder opened in Paris config file,
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> it's just the Chainer who shall know that folder. I believe
>>>>>>>>>>>> DirectX
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> shall be enabled. You see FXpansion or FFX4 are making VST to
>>>>>>>>>>>> DX,
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> so I believe Paris should have DirectX enabled so the wrappers
>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>> find Paris as a DX user.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I havn't used Faderworks but if it's a VSTplugin, I believe it
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> shall be in the VST folder so Chainer can find and use it the
>>>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> you want.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck
>>>>>>>>>>>> Erling
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:49f4ab69@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks Erling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Right now the UAD plugs are in my Steinberg VST plugin folder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>DirectX is disabled in Paris
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>FXpansion wrapper is pointed to that folder and finds the UAD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>plugins no problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Now do I install FFX4 chainer in the steinberg VST folder or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>just
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>install it where it want's to go and copy over the DLLs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>and if I want to use Faderworks, does it also get installed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>into
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>that folder or do I just install it where it want's to go and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>copy
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>over the DLLs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>thanks in advance to any human who'd care to talk to me in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>person
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:49f4a73e@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Don, I am in Denmark right now, without my Paris system but I
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>think I remember how to setup FXpansion and Chainer to work in
>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>good way. Don't use any Paris VST folder, just let FXpansion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>find
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chainer and Chainer to find Steinberg/Cubase VST map. Then you
>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>open Chainer in Paris VST/DX and use your VST plugins there,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>as
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>far as I remember. I used my UAD card this way in Paris some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>years
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Good luck
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:49f478da@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Need advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I've instlled my two UAD cards and a few other VST and DX
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>plugs
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on my Paris rig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I also installed the FXpansion wrapper, Faderworks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sampleslide,
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>FFX4 Chainer and Avcon Digital's Chainer but something is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wonky
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>in my setup and it's probably my fault but I need to get this
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sorted out soon. I have since uninstalled everything except
>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>UAD cards and am back to square one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a blank canvass so to speak
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>if it's possible and convenient a phone call or skype chat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>would
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>be great and if you're up for it email me your phone # or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Skype
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ID and I'll get back to you pronto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What I NEED to know is where do I install the all these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>goodies
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on my computer?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If I use the wrapper Dimitrios suggested (Avcon Digital) do I
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>need the Fxpansion wrapper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If I use FFX4Chainer why are some of my DX plugs not showing
>>> up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any and all help would be greatly appreciated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>thanks in advance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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