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Re: Free for all for illegal immigrants! [message #84727 is a reply to message #84726] Thu, 17 May 2007 15:58 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Wow, what happened??? I'm repeating myself.

"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>What in the world makes you think that suddenly these people are going to
>start going by the rules now? They didn't go by the rules to begin with!
> Clinton passed laws back in the 90s that stated that if illegals didn't
>come forward they would be deported and couldn't ever return. These people
>payed no attention to it. They've had their chance to do the right thing.
>
> It's time to take this seriously.
>
>What in the world makes you think that suddenly these people are going to
>start going by the rules now? They didn't go by the rules to begin with!
> Clinton passed laws back in the 90s that stated that if illegals didn't
>come forward they would be deported and couldn't ever return. These people
>payed no attention to it.
>
> It's time to take this seriously.
>
>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>
>> From the article:
>>"The proposed agreement would allow illegal immigrants to come forward

>>and obtain a "Z visa" and - after paying fees and a $5,000 fine -
>>ultimately get on track for permanent residency, which could take
>>between eight and 13 years. Heads of household would have to return to

>>their home countries first."
>>
>>I don't know if this is the best approach, but it's not exactly a "free
>
>>for all" as you claim. There are millions of illegal immigrants
>>currently living and working in the USA. This plan proposes to charge
>>them billions of dollars to have a chance to stay here legally.
>>
>>Many of them already have social security and taxes withheld, and of
>>course they also pay sales taxes in states that charge sales tax. I
>>don't know if the statistics will support your implication of an overall
>
>>negative economic effect, but I doubt it. I suspect it's more likely to
>
>>be a positive effect to have those additional working taxpayers pushing
>
>>productivity in the USA. OTOH, the jobs argument does have some merit.
>>
>>What's your solution, James? And what is the cost of your solution?
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>James McCloskey wrote:
>>> Agreement Reached on Immigration Reform
>>>
>>> http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070517/D8P69IO00.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's time Washington hears us all loud and clear. It's time to call
and
>>> write your representatives. It's nothing more than amnesty for law breakers.
>>> These illegals that are in our country are sponging off our welfare
systems,
>>> collecting benefits, they didn't even pay in to, and costing you in tax
>dollars.
>>> The politicians want to pass laws to give the illegals your social security
>>> benefits. They didn't even pay in to social security. Some of these
>people
>>> come in to our country just to be able to collect benefits and send the
>money
>>> back to their home lands. In some cases this money has reached terrorist.
>>> Our politicians are selling us all out again and giving your country
way
>>> at a vary high cost to you! None of us owe these people.
>>>
>>> Illegals are costing all of us. Illegals sponging off our tax dollars,
>and
>>> having our cost of living go up as a result of hospitalization cost,
schooling,
>>> law enforcement costs, housing cost, etc. It's no different than having
>>> a bunch of them break in to your house and eat your food, run your telephone
>>> bill up, run your rent up, and spend your money. These people have broken
>>> in to our country. They don't have a right to citizenship. They have
>a
>>> right to be deported. We need to push this invasion of our country back
>>> now, and we have a right to do that.
>>>
>>> There are many of the illegals come in to our country because they are
>criminals
>>> and can't come in to our country legally. With others, we have no access
>>> to their past criminal records. yet they are in our country, and take
>our
>>> jobs.
>>>
>>> We already have legal immigration, why should we change our law to accommodate
>>> a bunch of law breakers? People are out of work here in the US, letting
>>> a bunch of people flood in to our country and take our jobs is hurting
>us.
>>> It brings wages down.
>>>
>>> This idiot president says nobody wants those jobs. Nobody wants those
>jobs
>>> because they don't pay well, and they don't pay well because we have
illegal
>>> immigrants working those jobs for next to nothing. Nobody is going to
>pay
>>> $12.00 to $20.00 an hour if they can get an illegal for $5.00 or $6.00
>an
>>> hour and not have to pay taxes and benefits. It's nice for the president
>>> and his buddies to have Cooks, nannies, gardeners, landscapers, clothes
>launders,
>>> fruit pickers, and ranch hands for cheap. How many of you have people
>like
>>> that working for you cheap? Do you have a ranch hand? It's nice for
>the
>>> president, the Kennedy's and the Heinz family, but it's cheating WE THE
>PEOPLE
>>> out of what our parents worked so hard for. It's now a free for all
for
>>> foreigners. They are selling us out, giving it all away at our expense
>and
>>> stealing our American Dream. Enough is enough!
>>>
>>> It's time the people that were born here have a say. It's time the people
>>> that were born here have first rights. It's time people and there families
>>> that have payed in to the taxes for years get some support when they
are
>>> out of work instead of the foreigners that don't belong here. The illegals
>>> are sucking up the aid and resources. They are pouring in to our country
>>> by the millions, and there is no end in sight. They are a huge burden
>on
>>> all of us. It has nearly bankrupted some states. We need to get this
>stopped,
>>> not hand them citizenship. We are going to have a huge flood of people
>trying
>>> to cross our borders if they reward them with citizenship. With that
>will
>>> come terrorists.
>>>
>>> These politicians are selling us all out for their own selfish political
>>> gain. They are selling off the wealth of the US wholesale to the rest
>of
>>> the world. They are letting the third world flood in to our country.
> It
>>> is killing the middle class. It is creating the haves and the have nots.
>>> This has been planned for years by the members of the Trilateral Commission,
>>> The world banks and the CFR. They are intentionally lowering our standard
>>> of living. Their goal is that the elite rich will rule all of us economically.
>>> They want to rule the world.
>>>
>>> Were hearing that huge sucking sound here in Michigan. As the auto industry
>>> goes, so does the whole country. In time it will catch up to your state
>>> too. We have around 12% unemployment in my part of Michigan. It's great
>>> that you can buy a two dollar rubber hammer from China, but we are paying
>>> $3.30 plus a gallon for gas. Who thinks this is smart.
>>>
>>> Soon you wont have a choice, you will only be able to buy a Cadillac
that
>>> is made in China. Everything will be made somewhere else before you
know
>>> it. We have unfair trade that is killing manufacturing here in the US.
>
>>> Who do you think made those deals? Who do you think sold us out? The
>answer
>>> is the idiot politicians we keep voting in to office. As long as the
>two
>>> parties keep pointing fingers at each other, they will keep us divided,
>and
>>> weak! This is how they stay in power! We are being sold out by them
>right
>>> now. It's time to tell them not to support this bad policy of giving
>illegals
>>> citizenship. It's time to tell them, that they will be in the unemployment
>>> line if they make this law.
>>>
>>> We need to put a moratorium on immigration until we can get control
of
>it.
>>> Somebody said that in 1991-92, but nobody listened. We got 911 as a
result
>>> of week policies on immigration. When will we wake up to the truth?

>A hand
>>> full of British sailors supposedly cross in to Iranian waters and it's
>a
>>> international incident. Tens of thousands illegally cross our borders
>a
>>> day and nothing is really done about it. Some people need to get fired
>from
>>> their jobs, but we just keep voting these people back in to to office
>to
>>> sell us out.
>>>
>>> We need to put unemployed americans back to work. We need to put unemployed
>>> Americans on our borders to guard us. We need to put unemployed americans
>>> to work at our sea ports to check shipping containers, and charge the
>Chinese
>>> for this service. I'm tired of hearing that we don't have enough people
>>> to handle these kind of problems or tasks. We need to put more americans
>>> to work at our air ports to handle security. There is plenty of work
>that
>>> would pay a decent wage if we kicked the illegals out of our country.
> No
>>> more cheap labor for big corporations at all of our expense.
>>>
>>> These illegal immigrants they want to make citizens will sway entire
states
>>> and parts of the country in future elections. This amnesty will create
>a
>>> huge voting block. These people will rule our country in a short time.
>
>>> It would be like adding another state that would always be the deciding
>vote
>>> in every election in the future. It's a risk we shouldn't take. The
>majority
>>> of them have come from countries that have corrupt governments. Why
do
>you
>>> think they can never get it together in their countries? I believe we
>would
>>> end up with the same kind of corrupt government in time if we allow them
>>> to become citizens. We don't owe these people a free ride.
>>>
>>> It's time to speak up now or be bulldozed under. Call or write your
representatives.
>>> I strongly urge you to take the time now to contact your representative
>>> about this issue. The American dream and your standard of living are
>about
>>> to be given away buy the politicians. Let them know who will be in the
>unemployment
>>> line next if they do this. The future of America depends on you now.
> It's
>>> time to get this stopped! We need to end this free for all here in america
>>> that these politicians have created. Don't let them sell us out!
>

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