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Re: A Little PARIS Research - Size of user community [message #99591 is a reply to message #99589] Sat, 19 July 2008 14:21 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Perrin Stamatis is currently offline  Perrin Stamatis   UNITED STATES
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Hey everybody,

My name is Perrin.
I still check in from time to time.
Been using PARIS since '98.
Love the sound...glad to see the gang is still cooking up new ideas.

Many Thanks!

in article 4882498a$1@linux, Ron Bloom at concerts4u@prodigy.net wrote on
7/19/08 3:07 PM:

>
> Hey Guys,
>
> My name is Ron and this is my first post, but have had the system since 1999.
> Please add me to your number and I am thrilled to find an active site for
> Paris. I have spent about 4 hours today trying to learn more. My brain has
> forgotten much since I just dusted my system off after a few years of not
> being set up.
>
> Hey anyone know of any body in the Denver Colorado area that is a user?
>
> Thanks guys for the help in advance.
> ron
> "Kim W." <no@way.com> wrote:
>>
>> Spot on, Rod.
>> I know two guys that have never posted.
>> Hell, I built and configured their host comps for them.
>> One is a friend who is happily using my "spare parts",
>> (a mec with 8-in, a c-16 and two EDS's) as a stand alone system.
>> I also know *of* several other users, but not personally.
>> They're out there...
>> Kim
>>
>>
>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, it could be a litle bigger. I know of two Paris users I'm in regular
>>> contact with, that to my knowledge, have never posted on this sight. So
>> I'm
>>> thinking there might be a few more of us that post here that might have
>> similar
>>> contacts that just don't post. Probably not a large number, but then again,
>>> maybe more than you might think. For example, if ther are 400 users world
>>> wide, and 100 of them have 2 people they know of (like me) that have never
>>> posted, that's 200 more users right there.
>>> Or not, I don't know. just thinking.
>>> Rod
>>> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi folks. Hereıs one of a series of updates/info posts (and - brace
>>>> yourselves - some action requests) which Iıll be putting in separate posts.
>>>>
>>>> Iıve been working on some basic infrastructure that I reckon we need to
>>>> support any forward motion. Blog/wiki/networking/development rig are
>>>> certainly part of that infrastructure but we also had a serious need for
>>>> hard info - things like current community size and composition etc. If
>> we
>>>> want to tell outside developers who we are as a community, we better know
>>>> who we are first, and I had the suspicion that my "spitball" guesstimates
>>>> weren't doing us much justice.
>>>>
>>>> Now, Iım not trained in data collection and analysis but I do fine at
>>>> research and detective work, and what I lack in skills I cheerfully
>>>> supplement with grunt work. I wanted to share one of the results of that
>>>> basic research with you all.
>>>>
>>>> Iıve seen the question ³how big is the PARIS community?² asked several
>> times
>>>> before. As far as I know we never got a definitive answer. We've now got
>>> a
>>>> fairly firm "floor" for the size of the current PARIS user community.
> It
>>>> stands at an eye-opening (at least to me) 125 current users - and rising,
>>> so
>>>> if anything thatıs an undercount. Mike Audet and I have independently
> come
>>>> to an estimate of the user community worldwide (including PARIS users
> who
>>>> don't come to the NG) as being in the vicinity of a healthy 400 current
>>>> users.
>>>>
>>>> Surprised? Not bad for eight years after discontinuation!
>>>>
>>>> Iıll be clear - this is not derived from the number of NG posters - itıs
>>>> derived from a fairly accurate hand count of the number of currently active
>>>> PARIS *users* that Iıve identified on the NG over the last ten months,
>> and
>>>> is distinct from the size of the NG community itself. We needed that info
>>>> broken out separately because while some developments (say the ability
>> to
>>>> open PARIS .ppjs without a PARIS rig) might indeed be of interest to
>>>> ex-PARIS users too (who might still retain archives in .ppj format), other
>>>> developments (say drivers) would really only be of interest to those who
>>>> still have and use PARIS hardware.
>>>>
>>>> To gather those numbers I ruled out the past approach of polls and
>>>> censuses;
>>>> theyıre useful for getting a ³general sense of the community² but theyıre
>>>> unreliable. I simply scanned through the NG posts going back an arbitrary
>>>> length of time (10 months) and noted every poster I could in that recent
>>>> timespan who indicated that theyıre current users (self-identification,
>>>> posting PARIS-specific tech support questions, specific error code
>>>> questions, etc). I put the info in a database to sort it in different
> ways
>>>> so I could pretty confidently eliminate duplicates. It was a bit
>>>> labour-intensive but the end result is that Iım fairly confident in that
>>>> number as a ³hard floor² ­ the loss of a few users in the intervening
> months
>>>> would be counterbalanced by the certainty of undercount.
>>>>
>>>> Iıll finish with a general observation - ³what we were² or ³what we might
>>>> once have been² has some minor academic/historical interest to me, but
>> as
>>> a
>>>> "minority case" - a returning user after years of absence - I naturally
>>> come
>>>> to it from the perspective of ³where we are right now². Iım not interested
>>>> in ³might have beens² any more - Iım interested in what we might achieve
>>>> starting from here and going forward.
>>>>
>>>> So while it's true we were larger long ago, a hard floor of 125 real users
>>>> is a good strong number, an excellent number, for aficionado-driven efforts
>>>> for a discontinued niche market DAW to go forward with. Itıs much larger
>>>> than some aficionado groups for other pieces of discontinued technology,
>>> and
>>>> some of those smaller groups have got quite a lot of very meaningful work
>>>> done. And 400 users worldwide may not be Nuendo numbers but for small
>>>> developers itıs nothing to sneeze at.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this is of interest!
>>>>
>>>> - Kerry
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

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