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thesandbox1 is currently offline  thesandbox1   UNITED STATES
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Been doing some updating the last few weeks and just put in an Opteron 180 in my Asus A8V deluxe MB to prolong the life another year or two. I stalled Mike's latest drivers and everything finally sorted out and worked fine on a 2 MEC 4 EDS card system as before on my previous single core processor.

Then I went to install a Big Ben that I just got so I could hook up another MEC or two for more ease in tracking. Well I finally got the default project to save at 48k and word clock after numerous "not responding" when trying to change anything in the project window.

Then I went to open up so old projects to check them out...changed internal again to word clock in the project window...still got a "not responding" a couple of times but when the project went to play only 2 of the submixes passed sound. I tried changing around the cards on the submixes and it followed them around.

So I went back to my 2 MEC setup and back to internal clock and now PARIS will not load. I get the initialization error of "no interface connected to the master card" So I went down to 1 MEC and plugged the cable into all 4 EDS cards which have not moved out of the MAGMA and when I go to start PARIS it says the same thing no matter what card I attach the MEC to.

It looks like it finds it everytime...lights sequence...hear the switching the red lights blink again and stops there with the message. Any thoughts?


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Re: 3 MEC problem to initialization error... no interface problem [message #104834 is a reply to message #104833] Mon, 22 February 2010 16:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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interface not connected problem solved....still had usehousesync=1 in cfg file. Still working on why with 3 MECs and external word clock that I only get audio out of 2 submixes...and ...if I attach a 4th MEC then all 4 submixes/cards pass audio. Also the "not responding" in the paris project window at start seems to go away when using the original paris.exe and not one with some of the new .bmps

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Re: 3 MEC problem to initialization error... no interface problem [message #104835 is a reply to message #104834] Mon, 22 February 2010 17:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hope you don't mind, I edited some linebreaks in the initial post, it was hard for me to read.

Hmm... give this one a shot and see if it makes a difference.


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Re: 3 MEC problem to initialization error... no interface problem [message #104838 is a reply to message #104835] Mon, 22 February 2010 17:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No problem on the edits Wink Just typing as I think here. yeah...I remember I did that for my 2 mecs and have not changed where they are but added the 3rd to an already open card. I will try to switch them around again and see what happpens. I know that 2 mecs work fine and that 4 mecs work fine but 3 do not and paris doesn't seem to like the new bit maps with more mec's either. Hovers at close to full cpu and says "not responding" if I try to click on anything on the project view...sometimes doesn't even finish loading its bmp. If I use the original paris.exe it at least loads up normal to the project window view.

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Okay...I tried every combination of 3 mecs to 4 eds card and can not get anymore than 3 submixes to pass audio. The first card is the master and has to be connected or I really do get a interface not connected to master error. So with MEC 1 attached to the master I put the other two mecs in the 6 possible combinations and got the following. Seems that submix/card D won't play unless I connect a 4th mec. Anyone with 3 mecs and 4 eds cards???

EDS-MEC combination..............

A-1 A-1 A-1 A-1 A-1 A-1

B-x B-x B-2 B-3 B-2 B-3

C-2 C-3 C-3 C-2 C-x C-x

D-3 D-2 D-x D-x D-3 D-2

.........resultant audio...................
a,b,c a,b,c a,b,c a,b a,b a,b


Re: 3 MEC problem to initialization error... no interface problem [message #104842 is a reply to message #104841] Mon, 22 February 2010 19:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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not sure what happened but I went to an empty project and added an audio file and went through and switched it to each submix editor and it played on all four. I then opened up the project I had been using for testing and now all 4 submixes play. This is PARIS Wink

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curiouser and curiouser
Re: 3 MEC problem to initialization error... no interface problem [message #104844 is a reply to message #104843] Mon, 22 February 2010 20:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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arrrghhh.....somthing in the effects or something got turned off when I loaded another project and I am back to where I started and I tried what I did before with no luck....

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Now I am only getting partial audio with all 4 mecs... No audio on Global unless I bypass the ST Compressor and then it is only on the right channel with the left having some kind of distortion.
Something happens when effect sends get turned off when loading a project.

Something is not right...maybe time to pull the unseat the cards again and reload the drivers and PSCL again.

another bsod...
for any windows updates you might need.
run the driver verifier against any new of suspect drivers. if that doesn't reveal the corrupting driver, try enabling special pool...
etc.
etc..


Re: 3 MEC problem to initialization error... no interface problem [message #104846 is a reply to message #104845] Mon, 22 February 2010 21:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Which version of PSCL and Scherzo are you using? You might want to give Mike a PM or email.

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Re: 3 MEC problem to initialization error... no interface problem [message #104847 is a reply to message #104846] Mon, 22 February 2010 21:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have been emailing back and forth with him...he just gave me the latest PSCL dll as well from just a few days ago. I am just having a hard time determining if it is a driver, mec or effects issue or possibly a word clock issue. I was fine with the two mecs and internal sync off one but thought I would take advantage of the big ben and another mec or two so as to not have to switch cards when overdubbing on the 3rd and 4th submixes. Might have to just leave good enough alone on this one but I just want to make it work.

Re: 3 MEC problem to initialization error... no interface problem [message #104848 is a reply to message #104847] Mon, 22 February 2010 22:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, one bit of good news is there's an actual developer on deck now, and I know he wants to see this work rock solid as much as we do. If you don't mind a bit of back and forthing I'm pretty confident he'll nail the problem for you (and by extension any other folks that might run into the same issue).

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Re: 3 MEC problem to initialization error... no interface problem [message #104849 is a reply to message #104848] Tue, 23 February 2010 04:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Not to make light of the situation but don't you just hate being the first down uncharted territory.

Seriously, best of luck in tracking down and solving the gremlins
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dnafe wrote on Tue, 23 February 2010 04:38
Not to make light of the situation but don't you just hate being the first down uncharted territory.


yup... although the flip side of that is that PARIS actually has new and uncharted territory again - which is pretty darned cool, hassles notwithstanding... Very Happy


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Mike went ahead and emailed me some updated drivers. I will be in Germany the next two days but when I get back I will update what goes on with those.

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Mike went ahead and emailed me some updated drivers. I will be in Germany the next two days but when I get back I will update what goes on with those. Funny too....seems like I go from maybe one of the last on Win98 with a solid working 4 card 2 MEC system to to being in uncharted territory. There are some that surely have a a dual core on XP with 3 or more MEC's ...no??? Come on..MECs are cheap these days...track to any submix with no swithcing. Very Happy That alomst sounded like Deej about 5 or 6 years ago. Cool

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Yep, "uncharted" really just means "with a particular mobo" nowadays - the new "uncharted territory" is starting to become better mapped, there are quite large rigs using Mike's drivers.

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Re: 3 MEC problem to initialization error... no interface problem [message #104951 is a reply to message #104833] Wed, 03 March 2010 18:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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just to update...still hit and miss loading paris and different projects with big ben and 4 mecs... still a BSOD here and there...a lot of "not responding" when loading a project. Sometimes it will load a project fine and then when I close and open up another one it goes back to not playing all the cards or again "not responding". Restarting the whole comp always seems to reset everything as just ending the process still leaves the syncs all messed up and PARIS won't reload again. I am trying to be systematic with things but it just seems so random at this point. Just back in town and emailing Mike again so I will see where we get. But when I do get it playing on some previously finished mixes it sure does sound good with some new toys across the mix bus. Wink


Re: 3 MEC problem to initialization error... no interface problem [message #104952 is a reply to message #104951] Wed, 03 March 2010 19:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hmm - have you ditched the "Default Project" out of your Paris app folder yet? A corrupted default PPJ would give you problems every time you booted the app or selected "New Project", worth trying if you haven't already.

PARIS runs rock solid for a lot of us, let's get to the bottom of this and nail it on your system.


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that is one thing I am not quite sure at. I have a good copy of Untitled Project on my desktop and in the Paris folder. I have tried loading from both of those and also the Paris.exe itself but I am not exactly sure where the paris.exe is getting the initial project from as when I delete the one from the folder it still loads one and it is not the same one that I saved there.

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I also had a couple of projects playing earlier today then I went on to another and it started getting funny again and now I am back to certain cards not playing. I though it might have been because I switched cards on the submixes within the project maybe but I can most of the time get my untitled project to load but now it is back to playing only 2 cards again and I cant get a finished project to open again ...just goes into not responding and my cpu hovers around 100...(48-50 in the task manager so I assume this is around 100 for that cpu)

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