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Nebula VST load options [message #105085] Sun, 21 March 2010 16:45 Go to next message
Ted Gerber is currently offline  Ted Gerber   CANADA
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Hi Folks-

Currently I'm using Mike A's drivers running PARIS 3 on an i7 Quad. For all my VST plugs, I'm wrapping them with FXpansion VST-DX wrapper utility and accessing them from the insert on the channel strip using FF4 Chainer.

Is there any way of running VSTs in PARIS (windows xp) without wrapping them? If so, can I use wrapped and unwrapped plugs simultaneously?

My problem is that so far, Nebula 3 can't be wrapped. Nebula 3 Free wraps fine, which makes me think it's a permission thingy (they say on their site to test Nebula on your particular system using the free version first).

I am pursuing this with Acustica as well and on the Nebula forums, but thought I'd ask about any and all other options for PARIS here.

Ted
Re: Nebula VST load options [message #105086 is a reply to message #105085] Sun, 21 March 2010 17:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
drfrankencopter is currently offline  drfrankencopter   CANADA
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Sure, you can use VST's directly in Paris. Just drop the *.dll file (probably Nebula.dll) into your Paris VST directory. Paris' VST interface is ugly, but can load VST's just fine.

I'm not sure what version of the VST SDK Paris supports though...

Oh, and yes, you can use wrapped and unwrapped plugins together....

Cheers

Kris
Re: Nebula VST load options [message #105088 is a reply to message #105086] Sun, 21 March 2010 18:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ted Gerber is currently offline  Ted Gerber   CANADA
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Thanks Kris -

I don't know how to do this. The Nebula .dll was already in the VST folder with everything else. FFX4 Chainer was the only option and Disable Direct X was selected. When I moved the Nebula .dll into a new folder and pointed Paris to it, Paris still loaded up the other plugs but without the chainer...

Sorry to be a bit dense, but I'm new to the XP world...

Ted
Re: Nebula VST load options [message #105090 is a reply to message #105088] Sun, 21 March 2010 20:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
drfrankencopter is currently offline  drfrankencopter   CANADA
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Ted,

Can you load nebula without the chainer, as a straight vst by pointing paris (you need to change the configuration file to do this) at the directory containing its dll ? Otherwise, if you want to use the chainer, you'd need to drop its *.dll file into the paris VST folder as well.

Cheers

Kris
Re: Nebula VST load options [message #105091 is a reply to message #105090] Sun, 21 March 2010 21:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ted Gerber is currently offline  Ted Gerber   CANADA
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drfrankencopter wrote on Sun, 21 March 2010 23:57
Ted,

Can you load nebula without the chainer, as a straight vst by pointing paris (you need to change the configuration file to do this) at the directory containing its dll ? Otherwise, if you want to use the chainer, you'd need to drop its *.dll file into the paris VST folder as well.

Cheers

Kris


That's the thing, the chainer .dll is not in the VST folder, but all the plugs in that folder are available through the chainer. (which is in a different folder) unless I am missing its name somehow.

No Nebula will not show up in the inserts even tho it's in the VST folder. Nebula free will not work unless it is wrapped, but Nebula commercial doesn't even show up.

hmmm

I must be missing some basic plugin path knowledge with XP. I had no problems like this with Mac OS9

Thanks again for your help.

Ted

Re: Nebula VST load options [message #105092 is a reply to message #105091] Sun, 21 March 2010 22:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ted Gerber wrote on Sun, 21 March 2010 21:44
hmmm... I must be missing some basic plugin path knowledge with XP. I had no problems like this with Mac OS9


It should be just as straightahead as it is on OS9 - you set the path and off it goes. There's probably some other problem here. Check that Nebula doesn't need something else installed too, a folder structure or another piece of itself that needs to be in there with the dll.

Also if you now (like myself) have more than one folder with VST plugins in it, double-check that it's not telling you it's pointed at one folder while still actually being pointed at another - PARIS on PC seems to have a hard time letting go of that path sometimes. You may need to go as far as closing PARIS, using a text editor to open your paris.cfg, manually deleting that file path (just that!), saving it, rebooting and resetting the file path from inside PARIS again, just to be sure.


"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
Re: Nebula VST load options [message #105093 is a reply to message #105092] Mon, 22 March 2010 03:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ted Gerber is currently offline  Ted Gerber   CANADA
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Yeah it sounds like it might be something like that. I wondered if there was a different protocol with PC, and that the VST path pointed to the folder with the wrapper and chainer in it, which then pointed to the VST folder itself.

I'll check it out later today.

Ted

Re: Nebula VST load options [message #105101 is a reply to message #105085] Mon, 22 March 2010 09:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just to keep straight... but the PARIS VST forlder is a completely different folder than your regular VST folder under Steinberg or where ever that may be.

Re: Nebula VST load options [message #105102 is a reply to message #105093] Mon, 22 March 2010 10:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ted Gerber wrote on Mon, 22 March 2010 03:51
Yeah it sounds like it might be something like that. I wondered if there was a different protocol with PC, and that the VST path pointed to the folder with the wrapper and chainer in it, which then pointed to the VST folder itself.

I'll check it out later today.

Ted




Yes, sorry if I was unclear, you've got that right when using chainers. Wrappers I'm a bit less certain about. I'm looking forward to getting these sections of the wiki fleshed out more so I'll know more myself.

http://www.kerrygalloway.com/WikiPARIS/wikka.php?wakka=VstDx Paris

http://www.kerrygalloway.com/WikiPARIS/wikka.php?wakka=Nativ eFxSetup

http://www.kerrygalloway.com/WikiPARIS/wikka.php?wakka=VstDx WrappersChainers


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Re: Nebula VST load options [message #105113 is a reply to message #105102] Mon, 22 March 2010 21:24 Go to previous message
Ted Gerber is currently offline  Ted Gerber   CANADA
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Yep -

Got it. VST path to Chainer folder which points to all the wrapped plugs in another folder.

So - regarding Nebula, Giancarlo - the mastermind - sent me a patch to install, and Nebula now wraps fine.

Also I reported a few months back that Altiverb inserted and saved into a project would cause Paris to crash on load. The current questions I've had about these plugin issues led me to place the Altiverb .dll into the VST folder (Chainer) directly as an unwrapped VST plugin, and now it works properly too.

Next up is installing Senderella +/or Faderworks to get routing and delay compensation happening.

Very cool

Ted
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