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rendering bug [message #106641] Mon, 15 August 2011 11:15 Go to next message
uptown jimmy is currently offline  uptown jimmy   UNITED STATES
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Hi, guys. I dimly remember something about this from years ago, but it never plagued me until recently, though I've always done a lot of edits and cross-fades.

I'm rendering some bass tracks and I keep finding the rendered tracks offset by a good bit, but the amount of offset varies across the length of the track, getting further offset as the track goes on. I can edit things back to snuff, but I wondered if there was a workaround.

I'm using Mike's drivers on XP, with an MEC synced to a Lucid wordclock generator.

Jimmy

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Re: rendering bug [message #106642 is a reply to message #106641] Tue, 16 August 2011 04:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ted Gerber is currently offline  Ted Gerber   CANADA
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Check this thread

http://kerrygalloway.com/ParisForums/index.php?t=msg&got o=101477&&srch=render#msg_101477

T

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Re: rendering bug [message #106643 is a reply to message #106641] Sat, 20 August 2011 04:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dimitrios is currently offline  Dimitrios   GREECE
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Hi,
Here is what I do which is dead simple...
Just make yourself two empty paf files, say from within wavelab that contains really nothing.
Make them like 6 minutes long one for 16bit and one for 24bit.
Now what I do is insert on an empty slot the empty paf file, then move all edited and crossfaded pieces of the track with timeline engaged onto the empty paf track.
Now just highlight the whole track and just render.
BE SURE to put all your empty files at the very beginning of the song.
That is it.
Nevere fails me.
If you need longer empty file just copy the one you have and put it after, doesn't matter. You could really have just a small, one minute file and just copy it 4-5 times one after the other to make as long and empty file as your song is.
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Dimitrios

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Re: rendering bug [message #106644 is a reply to message #106643] Sat, 20 August 2011 07:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
uptown jimmy is currently offline  uptown jimmy   UNITED STATES
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Thanks, guys.

Guess I had the problem years ago and forgot about it. Don't know why it popped up again.

I don't have a copy of Wavelab, as I don't have any non-EDS soundcards on my computer, Iwonder if there's another way for me to get an empty file?

Jimmy

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Re: rendering bug [message #106645 is a reply to message #106644] Sat, 20 August 2011 15:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ted Gerber is currently offline  Ted Gerber   CANADA
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I think you could create an empty file by record-enabling a track and then "recording" with no actual audio transferring (ie: don't connect any physical mic or pre to it).

T

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Re: rendering bug [message #106646 is a reply to message #106644] Sat, 20 August 2011 16:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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[Updated on: Sun, 21 August 2011 12:43]

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Re: rendering bug [message #106647 is a reply to message #106646] Sun, 21 August 2011 06:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
uptown jimmy is currently offline  uptown jimmy   UNITED STATES
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Thanks Ted, just had the same idea last night. And thanks, Dimitrios, downloading file right now.

Jimmy

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Re: rendering bug [message #106648 is a reply to message #106647] Sun, 21 August 2011 11:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
uptown jimmy is currently offline  uptown jimmy   UNITED STATES
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D,

That was a stereo interleaved file. Paris won't import it. Or I'm missing something.

Trying Ted's trick right now.

Jimmy

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Re: rendering bug [message #106649 is a reply to message #106648] Sun, 21 August 2011 12:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dimitrios is currently offline  Dimitrios   GREECE
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Yes sorry !
Here is the mono version.
Regards,
Dimitrios

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Re: rendering bug [message #106650 is a reply to message #106649] Sun, 21 August 2011 13:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kerryg is currently offline  kerryg   CANADA
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The trick I use is -

1) snip a couple of seconds from the beginning of an existing track. It doesn't really matter how much (a second or two will do), or whether it's completely silent or filled with "pre-take noodling".

2) copy drag it to the beginning of a fresh track

3) RENDER IT TO DISK (this step is essential - the next part will be a destructive edit!)

4) open the newly rendered file in the wave editor

5) Edit > Select All

6) Edit > Silence

After that you can just take your new segment of silence, copy it as many times as you like and render it down to a region that's as long as you want.

"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon

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Re: rendering bug [message #106651 is a reply to message #106650] Wed, 24 August 2011 10:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wayne is currently offline  Wayne   UNITED STATES
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Hi Jim,

When I have this render problem I just bounce (not really a bounce, no disc selected) the track to a new track and don't use render.

ie, hard pan left the trouble track, use or don't use any aux's or eq (I usually go dry and no eq), mute all other tracks, take the main left out and bring it in on a new track, record enable the new track and record. New track with all the fades and edits.

I usually don't see any offset, but if so, maybe a sample or 2.

wayne

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Re: rendering bug [message #106654 is a reply to message #106650] Wed, 24 August 2011 15:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ted Gerber is currently offline  Ted Gerber   CANADA
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kerryg wrote on Sun, 21 August 2011 16:25
The trick I use is -


EDIT>

2) copy drag it to the beginning of a fresh track




Related Question-

I've come from a Mac where I could select any item on the playing field and
Option>Drag to any other location I wanted and it would copy and place the first
item.

Now working on PC, is there any similar way to do this? I have been selecting>copying>selecting new insertion point>pasting to do this... PITA

Ted

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Re: rendering bug [message #106656 is a reply to message #106654] Thu, 25 August 2011 04:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dnafe is currently offline  dnafe   CANADA
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yes

control C

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Re: rendering bug [message #106657 is a reply to message #106656] Thu, 25 August 2011 05:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ted Gerber is currently offline  Ted Gerber   CANADA
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Thanks Don -

Yeah I know the copy / paste routine (Control-C etc), but on Mac, you can physically
click on a file (that you want to duplicate and place elsewhere) while holding Option
and it automatically creates a duplicate copy while dragging to the new location.

This is esp helpful when the singer sings the last half of the last chorus with the wrong words and I need to place the last half of the first chorus in that spot while she's standing over my shoulder.

I did it in a few minutes, but before I could do it in 20 seconds...

T

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Re: rendering bug [message #106658 is a reply to message #106657] Thu, 25 August 2011 09:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kerryg is currently offline  kerryg   CANADA
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Ted - that one drove me crazy at first too. You're going to hate hearing how simple the solution is - to copy a segment in PARIS, just drag with the right mouse button instead of the left.

"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon

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Re: rendering bug [message #106659 is a reply to message #106658] Thu, 25 August 2011 20:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ted Gerber is currently offline  Ted Gerber   CANADA
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YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING

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Re: rendering bug [message #106660 is a reply to message #106659] Thu, 25 August 2011 21:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kerryg is currently offline  kerryg   CANADA
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I'm afraid not.

[I'm not going to embarrass myself by telling you how long it took for me to figure that out after I moved over to PC... suffice to say it was not "minutes"...]

"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon

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Re: rendering bug [message #106661 is a reply to message #106660] Fri, 26 August 2011 04:18 Go to previous message
dnafe is currently offline  dnafe   CANADA
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That's the one!

Duh...where was my brain!

This not using Paris regularly is not a good thing.

Embarassed

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