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| Re: Just can't get there from here......can I? I hate that!!!!!! [message #57981 is a reply to message #57980] |
Wed, 07 September 2005 21:09   |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
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d some major carving. Cleaned it right up. I'm back to doing
> my other little tweaks that I wanted to do (in a bit more conservative
> manner) and things are holding together.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts. I must have been readin'yo'mind.
>
> ;o)
>
> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
> news:431fb97a$1@linux...
> > Have you tried to que the vocal up against, one track at a time, let's
> say..
> > dobro track.. out of phase until it cancels the most? Then render the
> > dobro.. lather, rinse, repeat for the worst tracks. Too much of this
could
> > cause all kinds of phase nightmares, but it might enable you to clean
off
> > enough funk to deal with the mix tones.
> >
> > AA
> >
> >
> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > news:431fb6b1$1@linux...
> > > I've been mixing a project here that was recorded for a new client. He
> > > just
> > > means it to be a demo and so in the interest of getting this done
> quickly,
> > > we didn't isolate the singer. He's got a very dull and honky midrange
> that
> > > is bleeding all over the tracks (*all* of them). Normally, on
something
> > > like
> > > this I would do a little cutting at 400Hz to carve out the cardboard,
> > > then
> > > a tiny boost at 3kHz for a little clarity while softening up the 5kHz
> > > range
> > > with a little 2.5 octave cut bringing it up to a tiny peak at 7kHz
tjust
> > > to
> > > get some definition. If I solo the track, this works fine and it
smooth
> > > out
> > > the voice....on the solo track.
> > >
> > > Problem is, it;'s all over the dobro, mandolin and doublebass and
> guitar.
> > > Carving his voice out of all these instruments basically kills the
mix.
> > >
> > > There are also phasing issues because the instrument mics are, in
every
> > > case, at least 10 ft. and in the case of the dobro, 20' away from the
> > > singer. It's not really a problem with instruments being that far
> > > separated
> > > from each other, but with a singer, it's killin me.
> > >
> > > WTF was I thinking letting them do this? I should have shot the
> producer,
> > > stolen his money and paid myself for another day of time for overdubs.
> > >
> > > I was hoping to do a better mix with some extreme cuts and marginal
> boosts
> > > to certain instruments but this (especially boosting the dobro freqs
so
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| Yup!!! it's dialed in all right. [message #57984 is a reply to message #57982] |
Wed, 07 September 2005 22:40 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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s-ahole_@animas.net" target="_blank">animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in
> message news:431fbbda@linux...
>
>> Right after I posted this I found the *major* culprit.
>> The vocal
>
> frequencies
>
>> in the doublebass were absolutely the problem. Luckily,
>> there's lots of
>
> room
>
>> for surgery in the upper midrange of a doublebass,
>> especially in the
>
> contest
>
>> of a mix. I did some major carving. Cleaned it right
>> up. I'm back to doing my other little tweaks that I
>> wanted to do (in a bit more conservative manner) and
>> things are holding together.
>>
>> Thanks for your thoughts. I must have been
>> readin'yo'mind.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>> news:431fb97a$1@linux...
>>
>>> Have you tried to que the vocal up against, one track
>>> at a time, let's
>>
>> say..
>>
>>> dobro track.. out of phase until it cancels the most?
>>> Then render the dobro.. lather, rinse, repeat for the
>>> worst tracks. Too much of this
>
> could
>
>>> cause all kinds of phase nightmares, but it might
>>> enable you to clean
>
> off
>
>>> enough funk to deal with the mix tones.
>>>
>>> AA
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in
>>> message news:431fb6b1$1@linux...
>>>
>>>> I've been mixing a project here that was recorded
>>>> for a new client. He just means it to be a demo and
>>>> so in the interest of getting this done
>>
>> quickly,
>>
>>>> we didn't isolate the singer. He's got a very dull
>>>> and honky midrange
>>
>> that
>>
>>>> is bleeding all over the tracks (*all* of them).
>>>> Normally, on
>
> something
>
>>>> like this I would do a little cutting at 400Hz to
>>>> carve out the cardboard, then a tiny boost at 3kHz
>>>> for a little clarity while softening up the 5kHz
>>>> range with a little 2.5 octave cut bringing it up
>>>> to a tiny peak at 7kHz
>
> tjust
>
>>>> to get some definition. If I solo the track, this
>>>> works fine and it
>
> smooth
>
>>>> out the voice....on the solo track.
>>>>
>>>> Problem is, it;'s all over the dobro, mandolin and
>>>> doublebass and
>>
>> guitar.
>>
>>>> Carving his voice out of all these instruments
>>>> basically kills the
>
> mix.
>
>>>> There are also phasing issues because the
>>>> instrument mics are, in
>
> every
>
>>>> case, at least 10 ft. and in the case of the dobro,
>>>> 20' away from the singer. It's not really a problem
>>>> with instruments being that far separated from each
>>>> other, but with a singer, it's killin me.
>>>>
>>>> WTF was I thinking letting them do this? I should
>>>> have shot the
>>
>> producer,
>>
>>>> stolen his money and paid myself for another day of
>>>> time for overdubs.
>>>>
>>>> I was hoping to do a better mix with some extreme
>>>> cuts and marginal
>>
>> boosts
>>
>>>> to certain instruments but this (especially
>>>> boosting the dobro freqs
>
> so
>
>>>> that they cut through the mix) really aggravates
>>>> the worst frequencies in
>
> the
>
>>>> vocal bleed.
>>>>
>>>> I'll get an acceptable mix out of this using very
>>>> slight cuts and
>>
>> panning,
>>
>>>> but it's never going to sparkle and I'm not going
>>>> to *wow* anyone with
>>
>> it.
>>
>>>> That's a shame. the instrumen
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| Re: Yup!!! it's dialed in all right. [message #57987 is a reply to message #57984] |
Wed, 07 September 2005 23:00 |
audioguy_nospam_
Messages: 60
Registered: June 2005
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; I've been mixing a project here that was recorded
> >>>> for a new client. He just means it to be a demo and
> >>>> so in the interest of getting this done
> >>
> >> quickly,
> >>
> >>>> we didn't isolate the singer. He's got a very dull
> >>>> and honky midrange
> >>
> >> that
> >>
> >>>> is bleeding all over the tracks (*all* of them).
> >>>> Normally, on
> >
> > something
> >
> >>>> like this I would do a little cutting at 400Hz to
> >>>> carve out the cardboard, then a tiny boost at 3kHz
> >>>> for a little clarity while softening up the 5kHz
> >>>> range with a little 2.5 octave cut bringing it up
> >>>> to a tiny peak at 7kHz
> >
> > tjust
> >
> >>>> to get some definition. If I solo the track, this
> >>>> works fine and it
> >
> > smooth
> >
> >>>> out the voice....on the solo track.
> >>>>
> >>>> Problem is, it;'s all over the dobro, mandolin and
> >>>> doublebass and
> >>
> >> guitar.
> >>
> >>>> Carving his voice out of all these instruments
> >>>> basically kills the
> >
> > mix.
> >
> >>>> There are also phasing issues because the
> >>>> instrument mics are, in
> >
> > every
> >
> >>>> case, at least 10 ft. and in the case of the dobro,
> >>>> 20' away from the singer. It's not really a problem
> >>>> with instruments being that far separated from each
> >>>> other, but with a singer, it's killin me.
> >>>>
> >>>> WTF was I thinking letting them do this? I should
> >>>> have shot the
> >>
> >> producer,
> >>
> >>>> stolen his money and paid myself for another day of
> >>>> time for overdubs.
> >>>>
> >>>> I was hoping to do a better mix with some extreme
> >>>> cuts and marginal
> >>
> >> boosts
> >>
> >>>> to certain instruments but this (especially
> >>>> boosting the dobro freqs
> >
> > so
> >
> >>>> that they cut through the mix) really aggravates
> >>>> the worst frequencies in
> >
> > the
> >
> >>>> vocal bleed.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'll get an acceptable mix out of this using very
> >>>> slight cuts and
> >>
> >> panning,
> >>
> >>>> but it's never going to sparkle and I'm not going
> >>>> to *wow* anyone with
> >>
> >> it.
> >>
> >>>> That's a shame. the instruments are really well
> >>>> played and I'd just
> >
> > love
> >
> >>>> to create a *radio ready* situation for them ;o)
> >>>>
> >>>> Well......it was their decision to do it this way
> >>>> in the interest of
> >>
> >> time.
> >>
> >>>> I just hate that sometimes when all of a sudden I
> >>>> get into a demo
> >
> > session
> >
> >>>> and the players just absolutely *KILL* they are so
> >>>> good. This is one of
> >>
> >> those
> >>
> >>>> situations.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm sure I'll be able to polish it up with a bit of
> >>>> EQ and gentle compression on the mix bus but the
> >>>> phasing of the vocal is still going
> >>
> >> to
> >>
> >>>> be there to a small degree.
> >>>>
> >>>> ;oP
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
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| Re: Just can't get there from here......can I? I hate that!!!!!! [message #57993 is a reply to message #57980] |
Thu, 08 September 2005 05:56 |
Cujjo
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ced. It starts with the idea that they are just puppets.
>>
>>And how will your model hold up if Rice becomes president?
>>Think she will be one of the bosses then? But she will STILL be
>>slandered by the left for not being one of them, won't she?
>>
>>This is not what King had in mind is it?
>>
>>
>>2. The fundamental difference between the left and the right on
>>this is NO LONGER "do we like black people?" any more. This is not
>>1961. (and honestly, look at liberal cities like San Fran and
>>Portland OR and try to find some black people) The fundamental
>>difference today is whether we believe that the government should
>>provide equal opportunities or equal results. The right believes
>>that the government should provide equal opportunites, but the
>>left believes that unequal results automatically equal racism.
>>
>>The left believe this because it keeps them in power and keeps
>>people coming back to them for handouts, creating a permanent
>>underclass of black victims on the bottom and white liberals on top with
>>handouts.
>>
>>But of course, equal opportunity does not always give equal results.
>>And that offends those with socialistic bents. Unfortunately for
>>them, the methods of providing equal results always fail, and
>>pretty much everyone knows it.
>>
>>Why do African immigrants do so much better than many black
>>americans? They do. Better grades, better jobs. It clearly is
>>not the genes.
>>
>>Racism isn't just sinful, it's stupid.
>>
>>It's the damn culture, not the people. Read Thomas Sowell on this.
>>That culture, derived from slave owners, has a history all the way
>>back to england, scotland and ireland, and every group, white or
>>black that embraces it, sees the same phenomena that black
>>american culture currently suffers from.
>>
>>I spent most of my life in academia, and I have done more than
>>have black friends. I have mentored and led young black men.
>>Today, nearly all are succesful and many are professionals, and it
>>all started with changing the way they think. Racism is not the
>>issue. It's like "whack-a-mole", we need to hammer it wherever it
>>pops up, but that won't change things. What made the change
>>is a sense of ownership.
>>
>>Young man came in my
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