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| Re: OT: Antivirus software? [message #78821 is a reply to message #78819] |
Mon, 22 January 2007 11:15   |
Dedric Terry
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"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
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> I still think that it is Norton that writes all the viruses!!
LOL. And at the least, they wouldn't have to - their software is already
worse.
Thanks for the suggestions Chris and Rick, and thanks for the humorous
interlude James. ;-)
Regards,
Dedric
>
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> Dedric Terry wrote:
>> And to think I deleted my "no snide remarks from the Mac community - your
>> day is coming" comment....
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>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:45b50738$1@linux...
>>> Ok, my turn. Now I can't resist! The best antivirus software I've
>>> found
>>> is Mac OSX!!!!!!!!! And you think I'm kidding; )
>>>
>>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>> This came up a while back, but I can't find the thread in searches.
>>>>
>>>> What is the most recommended, least intrusive antivirus software for
>>>> PC?
>>>> I hate Norton and want to replace it with something better for my net
>>>> laptop.
>>>>
>>>> Grisoft's AVG Pro a good option?
>>>>
>>>> I notice PCMag still rates Norton as one of the best, but my laptop
>>>> runs
>>>> noticeably slower with it
>>>> (email takes forever to open, etc).
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
>
> ADK Pro Audio
> (859) 635-5762
> www.adkproaudio.com
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: OT: Antivirus software? [message #78827 is a reply to message #78824] |
Mon, 22 January 2007 13:16 |
excelav
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Yes, clearly an effort by PC zealots to try to damage the Mac Platform. I
wonder how much was created by these people. I've been virus free since
1994 when I started using Macs. There is no doubt that PC zealot hackers
are gunning for the Mac, that web site is proof. It's really not a problem
at this time for Mac users. What is there now, like a 150,000 viruses for
the PC? The Mac has maybe 150 known viruses, and only a few are actually
harmful. Mac vs. PC it's no contest! O/S 9 was even more secure, that's
why are military would switch to Mac OS9 every time they got hacked.
James
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>Security by obscurity, James.
>
>http://projects.info-pull.com/moab/
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>TCB
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>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>Ok, my turn. Now I can't resist! The best antivirus software I've found
>>is Mac OSX!!!!!!!!! And you think I'm kidding; )
>>
>>"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>This came up a while back, but I can't find the thread in searches.
>>>
>>>What is the most recommended, least intrusive antivirus software for PC?
>>>I hate Norton and want to replace it with something better for my net
>>>laptop.
>>>
>>>Grisoft's AVG Pro a good option?
>>>
>>>I notice PCMag still rates Norton as one of the best, but my laptop runs
>>
>>>noticeably slower with it
>>>(email takes forever to open, etc).
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Dedric
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: OT: Antivirus software? [message #78835 is a reply to message #78827] |
Mon, 22 January 2007 15:09 |
TCB
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I've _never_ had a virus, unless you count 7.5.3 as a virus, which I do.
That page isn't by 'PC zealots,' it's by people who are sick of Mac users
claiming the _relative_ lack of viruses for OS X is somehow because it's
better or can't get viruses. Any BSD exploit is, in effect, a potential OS
X virus. And since BSD runs on a lot of heavy iron that would be lucrative
to hack into those BSD exploits are found. Note also that a lot of the 'viruses'
on that page are really poorly designed software that allows root escalation.
And, let us note, you were the one who decided to chime in with useless information
for someone asking for recommendations of Windows software.
TCB
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>Yes, clearly an effort by PC zealots to try to damage the Mac Platform.
I
>wonder how much was created by these people. I've been virus free since
>1994 when I started using Macs. There is no doubt that PC zealot hackers
>are gunning for the Mac, that web site is proof. It's really not a problem
>at this time for Mac users. What is there now, like a 150,000 viruses for
>the PC? The Mac has maybe 150 known viruses, and only a few are actually
>harmful. Mac vs. PC it's no contest! O/S 9 was even more secure, that's
>why are military would switch to Mac OS9 every time they got hacked.
>
>James
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>>Security by obscurity, James.
>>
>>http://projects.info-pull.com/moab/
>>
>>TCB
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>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Ok, my turn. Now I can't resist! The best antivirus software I've found
>>>is Mac OSX!!!!!!!!! And you think I'm kidding; )
>>>
>>>"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>>This came up a while back, but I can't find the thread in searches.
>>>>
>>>>What is the most recommended, least intrusive antivirus software for
PC?
>>>>I hate Norton and want to replace it with something better for my net
>
>>>>laptop.
>>>>
>>>>Grisoft's AVG Pro a good option?
>>>>
>>>>I notice PCMag still rates Norton as one of the best, but my laptop runs
>>>
>>>>noticeably slower with it
>>>>(email takes forever to open, etc).
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Dedric
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Antivirus software? [message #78839 is a reply to message #78813] |
Mon, 22 January 2007 15:07 |
erlilo
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One of the best out there, if you want to be on the net too when making
music, is at www.avast.com and it's free. It was a Norwegian
computermusic-expert, that also have worked with the graphics on some
Steinberg products, that showed it for me a couple of years ago when making
music with Nuendo.
Erling
"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> skrev i melding news:45b50488@linux...
> This came up a while back, but I can't find the thread in searches.
>
> What is the most recommended, least intrusive antivirus software for PC?
> I hate Norton and want to replace it with something better for my net
> laptop.
>
> Grisoft's AVG Pro a good option?
>
> I notice PCMag still rates Norton as one of the best, but my laptop runs
> noticeably slower with it
> (email takes forever to open, etc).
>
> Thanks,
> Dedric
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| Re: OT: Antivirus software? [message #78840 is a reply to message #78837] |
Mon, 22 January 2007 16:15 |
TCB
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It's common shorthand in free software communities, and it stems from the
fact that English has one word that means both 'costs no money' and 'lets
people do what they want.' So, software that is 'free as in beer' is software
that you don't have to pay for but that is closed to you. Software that is
'free as in speech' is licensed under one of the other free software license,
so you have a right to view and change the source code if you wish.
German, for example, has two words for this. Kostenlos means 'no cost' while
frei means free with many of the 'freedom' related connotations. We have
to get by with one in English.
Needless to say, the Free Software Foundation believes that software freedom
is as important as speech freedom, but that's another, much longer, story.
TCB
John <no@no.com> wrote:
>Can you explain what this means in simple laymans terms? (Free as in
>beer, not as in speech) I can't find any easy explanations.
>
>Thanks
>John
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| Re: OT: Antivirus software? [message #78846 is a reply to message #78835] |
Mon, 22 January 2007 18:48 |
excelav
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The guy that started that web site is a disgruntled ex-Apple employee. I'm
sure it will be a problem in the future for Mac owners, with people that
hate the Mac platform, or people that want revenge. It's not a problem right
now. So who is really putting up the money and time for this web site.
Notice that MS is launching Vista, and trying to claim that it is secure.
Now there is a campaign to say that Mac OSX is not secure. It's a totally
exaggerated claim. Mac users do not have the security problems window users
have, not even close.
My post was tung and cheek, even though I'm serious. It was kind of a kick
back to Dedric's uninvited comment "Yeah Logic sucks", and that's cool by
me. We all have a right to our opinion. We all jump in! It's Ok. Yes
your right, it was rude; )
It was all in fun. At lease Dedric got it.
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>I've _never_ had a virus, unless you count 7.5.3 as a virus, which I do.
>
>That page isn't by 'PC zealots,' it's by people who are sick of Mac users
>claiming the _relative_ lack of viruses for OS X is somehow because it's
>better or can't get viruses. Any BSD exploit is, in effect, a potential
OS
>X virus. And since BSD runs on a lot of heavy iron that would be lucrative
>to hack into those BSD exploits are found. Note also that a lot of the 'viruses'
>on that page are really poorly designed software that allows root escalation.
>
>
>And, let us note, you were the one who decided to chime in with useless
information
>for someone asking for recommendations of Windows software.
>
>TCB
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Yes, clearly an effort by PC zealots to try to damage the Mac Platform.
> I
>>wonder how much was created by these people. I've been virus free since
>>1994 when I started using Macs. There is no doubt that PC zealot hackers
>>are gunning for the Mac, that web site is proof. It's really not a problem
>>at this time for Mac users. What is there now, like a 150,000 viruses
for
>>the PC? The Mac has maybe 150 known viruses, and only a few are actually
>>harmful. Mac vs. PC it's no contest! O/S 9 was even more secure, that's
>>why are military would switch to Mac OS9 every time they got hacked.
>>
>>James
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Security by obscurity, James.
>>>
>>>http://projects.info-pull.com/moab/
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Ok, my turn. Now I can't resist! The best antivirus software I've found
>>>>is Mac OSX!!!!!!!!! And you think I'm kidding; )
>>>>
>>>>"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>>>This came up a while back, but I can't find the thread in searches.
>>>>>
>>>>>What is the most recommended, least intrusive antivirus software for
>PC?
>>>>>I hate Norton and want to replace it with something better for my net
>>
>>>>>laptop.
>>>>>
>>>>>Grisoft's AVG Pro a good option?
>>>>>
>>>>>I notice PCMag still rates Norton as one of the best, but my laptop
runs
>>>>
>>>>>noticeably slower with it
>>>>>(email takes forever to open, etc).
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: OT: Antivirus software? [message #78849 is a reply to message #78846] |
Mon, 22 January 2007 18:13 |
Dedric Terry
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"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:45b56968$1@linux...
> My post was tung and cheek, even though I'm serious. It was kind of a
> kick
> back to Dedric's uninvited comment "Yeah Logic sucks", and that's cool by
> me. We all have a right to our opinion. We all jump in! It's Ok. Yes
> your right, it was rude; )
Huh? You didn't read my whole post, or completely missed the joke - that
line was complete sarcasm.
I used to be a Logic user until Apple pulled the plug on PC support - that's
what I was making a dig at. I actually still
really like Logic - great program - though it doesn't handle audio editing
the way I prefer. No Logic doesn't suck in the least,
but maybe my humor does.
Here's the whole thing in context:
"Logic does suck.
Why'd it leave me here alone?
I searched the world over and thought I'd found true love;
It met an Apple and iPfft, it was gone."
In case this last part was missed since it explains the "Logic sucks" joke,
it's a parody of a Hee Haw tune.
Guess I'm dating myself now (hey, I was a kid then at least).
Since when do I have to be invited to make a joke, much less have an
opinion?
You seem perfectly willing to offer yours quite adamently.
Dedric
>
> It was all in fun. At lease Dedric got it.
>
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>>I've _never_ had a virus, unless you count 7.5.3 as a virus, which I do.
>
>>
>>That page isn't by 'PC zealots,' it's by people who are sick of Mac users
>>claiming the _relative_ lack of viruses for OS X is somehow because it's
>>better or can't get viruses. Any BSD exploit is, in effect, a potential
> OS
>>X virus. And since BSD runs on a lot of heavy iron that would be lucrative
>>to hack into those BSD exploits are found. Note also that a lot of the
>>'viruses'
>>on that page are really poorly designed software that allows root
>>escalation.
>>
>>
>>And, let us note, you were the one who decided to chime in with useless
> information
>>for someone asking for recommendations of Windows software.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Yes, clearly an effort by PC zealots to try to damage the Mac Platform.
>> I
>>>wonder how much was created by these people. I've been virus free since
>>>1994 when I started using Macs. There is no doubt that PC zealot hackers
>>>are gunning for the Mac, that web site is proof. It's really not a
>>>problem
>>>at this time for Mac users. What is there now, like a 150,000 viruses
> for
>>>the PC? The Mac has maybe 150 known viruses, and only a few are actually
>>>harmful. Mac vs. PC it's no contest! O/S 9 was even more secure, that's
>>>why are military would switch to Mac OS9 every time they got hacked.
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Security by obscurity, James.
>>>>
>>>>http://projects.info-pull.com/moab/
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Ok, my turn. Now I can't resist! The best antivirus software I've
>>>>>found
>>>>>is Mac OSX!!!!!!!!! And you think I'm kidding; )
>>>>>
>>>>>"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>>>>This came up a while back, but I can't find the thread in searches.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What is the most recommended, least intrusive antivirus software for
>>PC?
>>>>>>I hate Norton and want to replace it with something better for my net
>>>
>>>>>>laptop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Grisoft's AVG Pro a good option?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I notice PCMag still rates Norton as one of the best, but my laptop
> runs
>>>>>
>>>>>>noticeably slower with it
>>>>>>(email takes forever to open, etc).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>Dedric
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: OT: Antivirus software? [message #78936 is a reply to message #78824] |
Wed, 24 January 2007 14:11 |
Jamie K
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Just FYI, Apple has already released the first patch that kills a "Month
of Apple Bugs" bug. Discussion here:
http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/01/24/1422246.shtml
One quote.
"People who argue that Apple's are no more secure than other OS's will
continue to miss the point, which is that Microsoft intentionally
designed their OS to allow their Email Reader or Word Processor to have
the power to modify the OS."
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
TCB wrote:
> Security by obscurity, James.
>
> http://projects.info-pull.com/moab/
>
> TCB
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Ok, my turn. Now I can't resist! The best antivirus software I've found
>> is Mac OSX!!!!!!!!! And you think I'm kidding; )
>>
>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>> This came up a while back, but I can't find the thread in searches.
>>>
>>> What is the most recommended, least intrusive antivirus software for PC?
>>> I hate Norton and want to replace it with something better for my net
>>> laptop.
>>>
>>> Grisoft's AVG Pro a good option?
>>>
>>> I notice PCMag still rates Norton as one of the best, but my laptop runs
>>> noticeably slower with it
>>> (email takes forever to open, etc).
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>>
>
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| Re: OT: Antivirus software? [message #78938 is a reply to message #78936] |
Wed, 24 January 2007 15:54 |
TCB
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Hey Jamie,
Good to see Apple doing work on security, though I think the MOAB shows they
need to do a good bit more.
But before you get too excited about MSofts bad design, do look at the MOAB
site and notice that the fix permissions utility that Apple uses runs at
root and can be invoked by any user, and beyond that is routinely recommended
by Apple support people both professional and otherwise. If that isn't a
deep design flaw on the security front I don't know what is.
http://projects.info-pull.com/moab/MOAB-15-01-2007.html
TCB
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>Just FYI, Apple has already released the first patch that kills a "Month
>of Apple Bugs" bug. Discussion here:
>
>http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/01/24/1422246.shtml
>
>One quote.
>
>"People who argue that Apple's are no more secure than other OS's will
>continue to miss the point, which is that Microsoft intentionally
>designed their OS to allow their Email Reader or Word Processor to have
>the power to modify the OS."
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>TCB wrote:
>> Security by obscurity, James.
>>
>> http://projects.info-pull.com/moab/
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Ok, my turn. Now I can't resist! The best antivirus software I've found
>>> is Mac OSX!!!!!!!!! And you think I'm kidding; )
>>>
>>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>> This came up a while back, but I can't find the thread in searches.
>>>>
>>>> What is the most recommended, least intrusive antivirus software for
PC?
>>>> I hate Norton and want to replace it with something better for my net
>>>> laptop.
>>>>
>>>> Grisoft's AVG Pro a good option?
>>>>
>>>> I notice PCMag still rates Norton as one of the best, but my laptop
runs
>>>> noticeably slower with it
>>>> (email takes forever to open, etc).
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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| Re: OT: Antivirus software? [message #78939 is a reply to message #78938] |
Wed, 24 January 2007 15:35 |
Jamie K
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TCB wrote:
> Hey Jamie,
>
> Good to see Apple doing work on security, though I think the MOAB shows they
> need to do a good bit more.
Some from Apple, and some from third parties. I think it's great that
OSX is getting a close look. And it's also good to see Apple responding
already.
> But before you get too excited about MSofts bad design, do look at the MOAB
> site and notice that the fix permissions utility that Apple uses runs at
> root and can be invoked by any user, and beyond that is routinely recommended
> by Apple support people both professional and otherwise. If that isn't a
> deep design flaw on the security front I don't know what is.
>
> http://projects.info-pull.com/moab/MOAB-15-01-2007.html
You're right, that makes Microsoft's design much better. ;^)
You should chime in on the slashdot discussion, I'm sure it will be
great fun.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> TCB
>
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> Just FYI, Apple has already released the first patch that kills a "Month
>
>> of Apple Bugs" bug. Discussion here:
>>
>> http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/01/24/1422246.shtml
>>
>> One quote.
>>
>> "People who argue that Apple's are no more secure than other OS's will
>> continue to miss the point, which is that Microsoft intentionally
>> designed their OS to allow their Email Reader or Word Processor to have
>
>> the power to modify the OS."
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>> TCB wrote:
>>> Security by obscurity, James.
>>>
>>> http://projects.info-pull.com/moab/
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Ok, my turn. Now I can't resist! The best antivirus software I've found
>>>> is Mac OSX!!!!!!!!! And you think I'm kidding; )
>>>>
>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>>> This came up a while back, but I can't find the thread in searches.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the most recommended, least intrusive antivirus software for
> PC?
>>>>> I hate Norton and want to replace it with something better for my net
>
>>>>> laptop.
>>>>>
>>>>> Grisoft's AVG Pro a good option?
>>>>>
>>>>> I notice PCMag still rates Norton as one of the best, but my laptop
> runs
>>>>> noticeably slower with it
>>>>> (email takes forever to open, etc).
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>>
>
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| Re: OT: Antivirus software? [message #78940 is a reply to message #78939] |
Wed, 24 January 2007 17:04 |
TCB
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As stupid as MSoft is sometimes, I don't recall them having utilities to FIX
FILE PERMISSIONS that AUTOMATICALLY run as root.
I completely understand _why_ Apple would do this. File permissions are tough.
We have a utility on our oracle servers called fixfuckup.pl that allows us
to pass it arguments to recursively change permissions on all files/folders
in a selected directory(ies). We have this because every now and then we
do something without thinking carefully and screw up permissions, which makes
things break. But that perl script can only be run as root of course, because
we're not looking for trouble. The most seasoned unix admins make these kinds
of mistakes all the time. Well defined and highly granular permissions are
a huge asset for unix, but they can be complex. Unix is easy to use, but
difficult to learn, and unix can be very secure. However, I have yet to see
a way to make it both easy to learn and secure. Even Ubuntu, which bends
over backwards to have a gentle learning curve, doesn't have a utility that
any user can invoke which runs as root changing file permissions. They'd
get laughed out of town.
TCB
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>TCB wrote:
>> Hey Jamie,
>>
>> Good to see Apple doing work on security, though I think the MOAB shows
they
>> need to do a good bit more.
>
>Some from Apple, and some from third parties. I think it's great that
>OSX is getting a close look. And it's also good to see Apple responding
>already.
>
>
>> But before you get too excited about MSofts bad design, do look at the
MOAB
>> site and notice that the fix permissions utility that Apple uses runs
at
>> root and can be invoked by any user, and beyond that is routinely recommended
>> by Apple support people both professional and otherwise. If that isn't
a
>> deep design flaw on the security front I don't know what is.
>>
>> http://projects.info-pull.com/moab/MOAB-15-01-2007.html
>
>You're right, that makes Microsoft's design much better. ;^)
>
>You should chime in on the slashdot discussion, I'm sure it will be
>great fun.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>> TCB
>>
>>
>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>> Just FYI, Apple has already released the first patch that kills a "Month
>>
>>> of Apple Bugs" bug. Discussion here:
>>>
>>> http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/01/24/1422246.shtml
>>>
>>> One quote.
>>>
>>> "People who argue that Apple's are no more secure than other OS's will
>>> continue to miss the point, which is that Microsoft intentionally
>>> designed their OS to allow their Email Reader or Word Processor to have
>>
>>> the power to modify the OS."
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> TCB wrote:
>>>> Security by obscurity, James.
>>>>
>>>> http://projects.info-pull.com/moab/
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Ok, my turn. Now I can't resist! The best antivirus software I've
found
>>>>> is Mac OSX!!!!!!!!! And you think I'm kidding; )
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>>>> This came up a while back, but I can't find the thread in searches.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is the most recommended, least intrusive antivirus software for
>> PC?
>>>>>> I hate Norton and want to replace it with something better for my
net
>>
>>>>>> laptop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Grisoft's AVG Pro a good option?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I notice PCMag still rates Norton as one of the best, but my laptop
>> runs
>>>>>> noticeably slower with it
>>>>>> (email takes forever to open, etc).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
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| Re: OT: Antivirus software? [message #78943 is a reply to message #78940] |
Wed, 24 January 2007 16:40 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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It's clearly on Apple's radar along with the rest of the MOAB stuff
since they've already released one security update that directly
addresses MOAB.
Meanwhile, exclaiming over a MOAB potential exploit doesn't help
Microsoft's already virus encrusted world become any better. It will be
interesting to see what Vista brings to the table.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
TCB wrote:
> As stupid as MSoft is sometimes, I don't recall them having utilities to FIX
> FILE PERMISSIONS that AUTOMATICALLY run as root.
>
> I completely understand _why_ Apple would do this. File permissions are tough.
> We have a utility on our oracle servers called fixfuckup.pl that allows us
> to pass it arguments to recursively change permissions on all files/folders
> in a selected directory(ies). We have this because every now and then we
> do something without thinking carefully and screw up permissions, which makes
> things break. But that perl script can only be run as root of course, because
> we're not looking for trouble. The most seasoned unix admins make these kinds
> of mistakes all the time. Well defined and highly granular permissions are
> a huge asset for unix, but they can be complex. Unix is easy to use, but
> difficult to learn, and unix can be very secure. However, I have yet to see
> a way to make it both easy to learn and secure. Even Ubuntu, which bends
> over backwards to have a gentle learning curve, doesn't have a utility that
> any user can invoke which runs as root changing file permissions. They'd
> get laughed out of town.
>
> TCB
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> TCB wrote:
>>> Hey Jamie,
>>>
>>> Good to see Apple doing work on security, though I think the MOAB shows
> they
>>> need to do a good bit more.
>> Some from Apple, and some from third parties. I think it's great that
>> OSX is getting a close look. And it's also good to see Apple responding
>
>> already.
>>
>>
>>> But before you get too excited about MSofts bad design, do look at the
> MOAB
>>> site and notice that the fix permissions utility that Apple uses runs
> at
>>> root and can be invoked by any user, and beyond that is routinely recommended
>>> by Apple support people both professional and otherwise. If that isn't
> a
>>> deep design flaw on the security front I don't know what is.
>>>
>>> http://projects.info-pull.com/moab/MOAB-15-01-2007.html
>> You're right, that makes Microsoft's design much better. ;^)
>>
>> You should chime in on the slashdot discussion, I'm sure it will be
>> great fun.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>>
>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>> Just FYI, Apple has already released the first patch that kills a "Month
>>>> of Apple Bugs" bug. Discussion here:
>>>>
>>>> http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/01/24/1422246.shtml
>>>>
>>>> One quote.
>>>>
>>>> "People who argue that Apple's are no more secure than other OS's will
>
>>>> continue to miss the point, which is that Microsoft intentionally
>>>> designed their OS to allow their Email Reader or Word Processor to have
>>>> the power to modify the OS."
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>> Security by obscurity, James.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://projects.info-pull.com/moab/
>>>>>
>>>>> TCB
>>>>>
>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Ok, my turn. Now I can't resist! The best antivirus software I've
> found
>>>>>> is Mac OSX!!!!!!!!! And you think I'm kidding; )
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> This came up a while back, but I can't find the thread in searches.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is the most recommended, least intrusive antivirus software for
>>> PC?
>>>>>>> I hate Norton and want to replace it with something better for my
> net
>>>>>>> laptop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Grisoft's AVG Pro a good option?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I notice PCMag still rates Norton as one of the best, but my laptop
>>> runs
>>>>>>> noticeably slower with it
>>>>>>> (email takes forever to open, etc).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>
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