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| OT: Vocal effects? What and how? [message #79480] |
Mon, 05 February 2007 06:36  |
ottawarocks
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This is only moderately related to Paris at all...
I am still a novice user (after owning Paris for 10 years!), and will be
recording a demo for some friends in a band. Nothing too elaborate... (and I
hate to admit it, but demos are all I ever achieved with my Paris setup... I
thought I'd do more, but never did, and probably never will).
Anyhow, the male singer was asking about processing the vocals... he'd like
to get some sort of heavily altered sound like Phil Collins... and I have
never done anything like that. I can almost hear the "Phil Collins" effects,
but I can't even begin to imagine how to achieve it. I know there's a lot of
reverb, but there's a lot of other stuff too...
Anyone know of a good (preferably web) reference for this type of info? Or
if any of you wizzards have done this exact same sort of processing in the
past, and are willing to share the recipe, I would be forever grateful...
Much appreciate any tips or pointers.
Daniel
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| Re: Vocal effects? What and how? [message #79481 is a reply to message #79480] |
Mon, 05 February 2007 06:50  |
brandon[2]
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I would think along the lines of a vocoder.
Delay.
Maybe some reverse reverb???
You could always hire Phil.
--
Thanks,
Brandon
"D.P." <ottawarocks@netscape.net> wrote in message news:45c74163@linux...
> This is only moderately related to Paris at all...
>
> I am still a novice user (after owning Paris for 10 years!), and will be
> recording a demo for some friends in a band. Nothing too elaborate... (and
I
> hate to admit it, but demos are all I ever achieved with my Paris setup...
I
> thought I'd do more, but never did, and probably never will).
>
> Anyhow, the male singer was asking about processing the vocals... he'd
like
> to get some sort of heavily altered sound like Phil Collins... and I have
> never done anything like that. I can almost hear the "Phil Collins"
effects,
> but I can't even begin to imagine how to achieve it. I know there's a lot
of
> reverb, but there's a lot of other stuff too...
>
> Anyone know of a good (preferably web) reference for this type of info? Or
> if any of you wizzards have done this exact same sort of processing in the
> past, and are willing to share the recipe, I would be forever grateful...
>
> Much appreciate any tips or pointers.
>
> Daniel
>
>
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| Re: Vocal effects? What and how? [message #79482 is a reply to message #79480] |
Mon, 05 February 2007 06:53 |
Deej [4]
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Registered: January 2007
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I think he actually used a phaser on the vocals on some of his stuff, didn't
he? Paris has a phaser. there is also an inverse reverb plugin in Paris that
works great for wierd ****.
;o)
"D.P." <ottawarocks@netscape.net> wrote in message news:45c74163@linux...
> This is only moderately related to Paris at all...
>
> I am still a novice user (after owning Paris for 10 years!), and will be
> recording a demo for some friends in a band. Nothing too elaborate... (and
> I hate to admit it, but demos are all I ever achieved with my Paris
> setup... I thought I'd do more, but never did, and probably never will).
>
> Anyhow, the male singer was asking about processing the vocals... he'd
> like to get some sort of heavily altered sound like Phil Collins... and I
> have never done anything like that. I can almost hear the "Phil Collins"
> effects, but I can't even begin to imagine how to achieve it. I know
> there's a lot of reverb, but there's a lot of other stuff too...
>
> Anyone know of a good (preferably web) reference for this type of info? Or
> if any of you wizzards have done this exact same sort of processing in the
> past, and are willing to share the recipe, I would be forever grateful...
>
> Much appreciate any tips or pointers.
>
> Daniel
>
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| Re: Vocal effects? What and how? [message #79484 is a reply to message #79482] |
Mon, 05 February 2007 07:07 |
brandon[2]
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Inverse Reverb Plug?
--
Thanks,
Brandon
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45c74508@linux...
> I think he actually used a phaser on the vocals on some of his stuff,
didn't
> he? Paris has a phaser. there is also an inverse reverb plugin in Paris
that
> works great for wierd ****.
>
> ;o)
>
> "D.P." <ottawarocks@netscape.net> wrote in message news:45c74163@linux...
> > This is only moderately related to Paris at all...
> >
> > I am still a novice user (after owning Paris for 10 years!), and will be
> > recording a demo for some friends in a band. Nothing too elaborate...
(and
> > I hate to admit it, but demos are all I ever achieved with my Paris
> > setup... I thought I'd do more, but never did, and probably never will).
> >
> > Anyhow, the male singer was asking about processing the vocals... he'd
> > like to get some sort of heavily altered sound like Phil Collins... and
I
> > have never done anything like that. I can almost hear the "Phil Collins"
> > effects, but I can't even begin to imagine how to achieve it. I know
> > there's a lot of reverb, but there's a lot of other stuff too...
> >
> > Anyone know of a good (preferably web) reference for this type of info?
Or
> > if any of you wizzards have done this exact same sort of processing in
the
> > past, and are willing to share the recipe, I would be forever
grateful...
> >
> > Much appreciate any tips or pointers.
> >
> > Daniel
> >
>
>
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| Re: OT: Vocal effects? What and how? [message #79489 is a reply to message #79480] |
Mon, 05 February 2007 09:11 |
gene lennon
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Registered: July 2006
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Daniel,
Do I recall correctly that you have the Waves Platinum bundle? If you do,
you have plenty of tools. Phil did not have one vocal sound, but rather played
around and found different effects for different songs.
If the vocals are reasonably well leveled, I would try putting some effects
like Enigma or MetaFlanger on first and then pass the whole mess through
Renaissance Vox. I would do this on a stereo vocal track (by duplicating),
then render the effected tracks using the SPDIF loop method, time align the
effected tracks and mix the effected tracks back in with the original mono
vocal.
If the original vocals were not well leveled, I would do an automation pass
first and render that, or compress first, before I applied the rest of this
technique.
Actually, I would do this with two computers and an adat loop to get it in
real time, Dimitrios would probably use Cinderella and Chainer to get similar
results on one PC in real time, but any variation of these methods should
work. If you don’t have the Waves plugs, I would try any combination of echo,
and chorus/flange.
Gene
"D.P." <ottawarocks@netscape.net> wrote:
>This is only moderately related to Paris at all...
>
>I am still a novice user (after owning Paris for 10 years!), and will be
>recording a demo for some friends in a band. Nothing too elaborate... (and
I
>hate to admit it, but demos are all I ever achieved with my Paris setup...
I
>thought I'd do more, but never did, and probably never will).
>
>Anyhow, the male singer was asking about processing the vocals... he'd like
>to get some sort of heavily altered sound like Phil Collins... and I have
>never done anything like that. I can almost hear the "Phil Collins" effects,
>but I can't even begin to imagine how to achieve it. I know there's a lot
of
>reverb, but there's a lot of other stuff too...
>
>Anyone know of a good (preferably web) reference for this type of info?
Or
>if any of you wizzards have done this exact same sort of processing in the
>past, and are willing to share the recipe, I would be forever grateful...
>
>Much appreciate any tips or pointers.
>
>Daniel
>
>
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| Re: OT: Vocal effects? What and how? [message #79501 is a reply to message #79480] |
Mon, 05 February 2007 09:18 |
TC
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One of the TC-Helicon boxes would work well for that.
Cheers,
TC
D.P. wrote:
> This is only moderately related to Paris at all...
>
> I am still a novice user (after owning Paris for 10 years!), and will be
> recording a demo for some friends in a band. Nothing too elaborate... (and I
> hate to admit it, but demos are all I ever achieved with my Paris setup... I
> thought I'd do more, but never did, and probably never will).
>
> Anyhow, the male singer was asking about processing the vocals... he'd like
> to get some sort of heavily altered sound like Phil Collins... and I have
> never done anything like that. I can almost hear the "Phil Collins" effects,
> but I can't even begin to imagine how to achieve it. I know there's a lot of
> reverb, but there's a lot of other stuff too...
>
> Anyone know of a good (preferably web) reference for this type of info? Or
> if any of you wizzards have done this exact same sort of processing in the
> past, and are willing to share the recipe, I would be forever grateful...
>
> Much appreciate any tips or pointers.
>
> Daniel
>
>
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| Re: Vocal effects? What and how? [message #79508 is a reply to message #79484] |
Mon, 05 February 2007 09:47 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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Sorry.I meant the non-linear reverb. It's a Paris effect.
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:45c74887@linux...
> Inverse Reverb Plug?
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> --
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon
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> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45c74508@linux...
>> I think he actually used a phaser on the vocals on some of his stuff,
> didn't
>> he? Paris has a phaser. there is also an inverse reverb plugin in Paris
> that
>> works great for wierd ****.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>> "D.P." <ottawarocks@netscape.net> wrote in message news:45c74163@linux...
>> > This is only moderately related to Paris at all...
>> >
>> > I am still a novice user (after owning Paris for 10 years!), and will
>> > be
>> > recording a demo for some friends in a band. Nothing too elaborate...
> (and
>> > I hate to admit it, but demos are all I ever achieved with my Paris
>> > setup... I thought I'd do more, but never did, and probably never
>> > will).
>> >
>> > Anyhow, the male singer was asking about processing the vocals... he'd
>> > like to get some sort of heavily altered sound like Phil Collins... and
> I
>> > have never done anything like that. I can almost hear the "Phil
>> > Collins"
>> > effects, but I can't even begin to imagine how to achieve it. I know
>> > there's a lot of reverb, but there's a lot of other stuff too...
>> >
>> > Anyone know of a good (preferably web) reference for this type of info?
> Or
>> > if any of you wizzards have done this exact same sort of processing in
> the
>> > past, and are willing to share the recipe, I would be forever
> grateful...
>> >
>> > Much appreciate any tips or pointers.
>> >
>> > Daniel
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: OT: Vocal effects? What and how? [message #79511 is a reply to message #79480] |
Mon, 05 February 2007 11:00 |
Neil
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Registered: April 2006
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1.) Stero pitch shifter, slightly down on one side, slightly up
on the other (start off with something small, like 2 or 3 cents,
then adjust from there, if needed).
2.) If your pitch shifter will also delay the effect, then set
each for a slight slapback, if not, use a slapack delay
separately. Delay on the pitch shift itself is best, though.
3.) Big, short verb (sometimes gated, sometimes not). Don't
overdo it though.
4.) Longer, more subtle verb to taste, depending on the song.
5.) If you're also talking about the distortion effect, then
a cloned vox track with an exciter, followed by a compressor
will do the trick there. Lots of exciter, then compress it
pretty hard then just introduce a little bit of that & you're
good to go. De-ess this track all to hell.
Don't know if that's how they did it, but I've had to get that
sound before & that's what worked in that instance.
Neil
"D.P." <ottawarocks@netscape.net> wrote:
>This is only moderately related to Paris at all...
>
>I am still a novice user (after owning Paris for 10 years!), and will be
>recording a demo for some friends in a band. Nothing too elaborate... (and
I
>hate to admit it, but demos are all I ever achieved with my Paris setup...
I
>thought I'd do more, but never did, and probably never will).
>
>Anyhow, the male singer was asking about processing the vocals... he'd like
>to get some sort of heavily altered sound like Phil Collins... and I have
>never done anything like that. I can almost hear the "Phil Collins" effects,
>but I can't even begin to imagine how to achieve it. I know there's a lot
of
>reverb, but there's a lot of other stuff too...
>
>Anyone know of a good (preferably web) reference for this type of info?
Or
>if any of you wizzards have done this exact same sort of processing in the
>past, and are willing to share the recipe, I would be forever grateful...
>
>Much appreciate any tips or pointers.
>
>Daniel
>
>
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