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| Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88118 is a reply to message #88117] |
Sun, 15 July 2007 10:09   |
DJ
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If the driver will suport two + units, it might be a monster with a
dedicated 4 x port FW PCIe card, especially if you can further
merge/interpatch within the software control panel. I'd probably look pretty
hard at this if the price was right. I'm currently doing pretty much what
this will do using 4 x Behringer SRC 2496 units along with an RME ADI4-DD
for real time SRC for two of my outboard reverbs and interpatching various
other I/O through a Frontier Apache and M-Audio C03 units to connect the
other digital processors, SMUX I/O of my converters and the I/O of my slave
computer with the free I/O of the master computer. It's a daunting scenario.
I have written an I/O sheet (small manual) for this that I have memorized
and the faceplates of the gear are all labelled as well. Same thing with all
of the midi I/O I have here. There's a lot of it and it is interpatched
through an Ensoniq KMX-16. This is only about half as insane as things were
when I was integrating Paris with the Cubase DAW. I watched the entire video
demo and this looks like they were reading my mind.....which may be why they
stopped before it got too complex and twisted....but there is no midi I/O on
this interface, is there? Didn't see any. That may be a show stopper. Does
anyone make a decent (large) midi interface now that Steinberg discontinued
the Midex?
;o)
"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
news:C2BFAA72.B6CD%dterry@keyofd.net...
> Since you can daisy chain the Konnekt interfaces via TCNear networking,
> and
> this one has it as well, I would guess Konnekt 32 can as well, but the I
> would wonder whether the firewire port can handle more than 16 in and out
> at
> the same time.
>
> Dedric
>
> On 7/15/07 10:16 AM, in article 469a4843$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Funny, that's the first question I had. That and price.
>> Gene
>>
>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>> Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>> news:469a38a4@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with a few
>>
>>>> tricks.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>>
>>>> Price?
>>>>
>>>> Gene
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88120 is a reply to message #88118] |
Sun, 15 July 2007 10:28 |
gene lennon
Messages: 565
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On a Mac you can aggregate PCI(e) and Firewire interfaces to build one large
I/O system. Is this possible under XP?
Gene
"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>If the driver will suport two + units, it might be a monster with a
>dedicated 4 x port FW PCIe card, especially if you can further
>merge/interpatch within the software control panel. I'd probably look pretty
>hard at this if the price was right. I'm currently doing pretty much what
>this will do using 4 x Behringer SRC 2496 units along with an RME ADI4-DD
>for real time SRC for two of my outboard reverbs and interpatching various
>other I/O through a Frontier Apache and M-Audio C03 units to connect the
>other digital processors, SMUX I/O of my converters and the I/O of my slave
>computer with the free I/O of the master computer. It's a daunting scenario.
>I have written an I/O sheet (small manual) for this that I have memorized
>and the faceplates of the gear are all labelled as well. Same thing with
all
>of the midi I/O I have here. There's a lot of it and it is interpatched
>through an Ensoniq KMX-16. This is only about half as insane as things
were
>when I was integrating Paris with the Cubase DAW. I watched the entire video
>demo and this looks like they were reading my mind.....which may be why
they
>stopped before it got too complex and twisted....but there is no midi I/O
on
>this interface, is there? Didn't see any. That may be a show stopper. Does
>anyone make a decent (large) midi interface now that Steinberg discontinued
>the Midex?
>
>;o)
>
>
>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>news:C2BFAA72.B6CD%dterry@keyofd.net...
>> Since you can daisy chain the Konnekt interfaces via TCNear networking,
>> and
>> this one has it as well, I would guess Konnekt 32 can as well, but the
I
>> would wonder whether the firewire port can handle more than 16 in and
out
>> at
>> the same time.
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>> On 7/15/07 10:16 AM, in article 469a4843$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
>> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Funny, that's the first question I had. That and price.
>>> Gene
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>> Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:469a38a4@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with a
few
>>>
>>>>> tricks.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>>>
>>>>> Price?
>>>>>
>>>>> Gene
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88123 is a reply to message #88120] |
Sun, 15 July 2007 12:34 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
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You are, of course, just mentioning this to twist the knife........right?
(actually, there is a Win driver called ASIO4all that is supposed to
accomplish this. Last I heard, it sucked big time.
;o)
"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:469a5933@linux...
>
> On a Mac you can aggregate PCI(e) and Firewire interfaces to build one
> large
> I/O system. Is this possible under XP?
>
> Gene
>
> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>If the driver will suport two + units, it might be a monster with a
>>dedicated 4 x port FW PCIe card, especially if you can further
>>merge/interpatch within the software control panel. I'd probably look
>>pretty
>
>>hard at this if the price was right. I'm currently doing pretty much what
>
>>this will do using 4 x Behringer SRC 2496 units along with an RME ADI4-DD
>
>>for real time SRC for two of my outboard reverbs and interpatching various
>
>>other I/O through a Frontier Apache and M-Audio C03 units to connect the
>
>>other digital processors, SMUX I/O of my converters and the I/O of my
>>slave
>
>>computer with the free I/O of the master computer. It's a daunting
>>scenario.
>
>>I have written an I/O sheet (small manual) for this that I have memorized
>
>>and the faceplates of the gear are all labelled as well. Same thing with
> all
>>of the midi I/O I have here. There's a lot of it and it is interpatched
>
>>through an Ensoniq KMX-16. This is only about half as insane as things
> were
>>when I was integrating Paris with the Cubase DAW. I watched the entire
>>video
>
>>demo and this looks like they were reading my mind.....which may be why
> they
>>stopped before it got too complex and twisted....but there is no midi I/O
> on
>>this interface, is there? Didn't see any. That may be a show stopper. Does
>
>>anyone make a decent (large) midi interface now that Steinberg
>>discontinued
>
>>the Midex?
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>
>>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>news:C2BFAA72.B6CD%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>> Since you can daisy chain the Konnekt interfaces via TCNear networking,
>
>>> and
>>> this one has it as well, I would guess Konnekt 32 can as well, but the
> I
>>> would wonder whether the firewire port can handle more than 16 in and
> out
>>> at
>>> the same time.
>>>
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> On 7/15/07 10:16 AM, in article 469a4843$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
>>> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Funny, that's the first question I had. That and price.
>>>> Gene
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>> Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?
>>>>>
>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:469a38a4@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>>>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with a
> few
>>>>
>>>>>> tricks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Price?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88126 is a reply to message #88120] |
Sun, 15 July 2007 14:59 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
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On 7/15/07 11:28 AM, in article 469a5933@linux, "Gene Lennon"
<glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
> On a Mac you can aggregate PCI(e) and Firewire interfaces to build one large
> I/O system. Is this possible under XP?
>
> Gene
Mixed manufacturers? What kind of latency are you getting with sample
library VSTi's and mixed firewire/PCIe?
My Fireface 800 doesn't have the low latency of the PCI HDSP system, so I'm
curious if when mixing the two, latency is subject to the limitation of the
firewire interface, or if the Mac/Core audio manages it better than XP
might.
With XP/PC you can add interfaces from one manufacturer, but I doubt
Firewire and PCIe would be elegant - the only time I tried it the Firewire
interface was only connected for access to its' control panel - only the PCI
interface handled direct I/O.
I also agree with James on the Konnekt - 32x32 would be much more attractive
if used as an interface and not just a converter/patchbay, but I fear that's
a firewire limitation.
Dedric
>
> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>> If the driver will suport two + units, it might be a monster with a
>> dedicated 4 x port FW PCIe card, especially if you can further
>> merge/interpatch within the software control panel. I'd probably look pretty
>
>> hard at this if the price was right. I'm currently doing pretty much what
>
>> this will do using 4 x Behringer SRC 2496 units along with an RME ADI4-DD
>
>> for real time SRC for two of my outboard reverbs and interpatching various
>
>> other I/O through a Frontier Apache and M-Audio C03 units to connect the
>
>> other digital processors, SMUX I/O of my converters and the I/O of my slave
>
>> computer with the free I/O of the master computer. It's a daunting scenario.
>
>> I have written an I/O sheet (small manual) for this that I have memorized
>
>> and the faceplates of the gear are all labelled as well. Same thing with
> all
>> of the midi I/O I have here. There's a lot of it and it is interpatched
>
>> through an Ensoniq KMX-16. This is only about half as insane as things
> were
>> when I was integrating Paris with the Cubase DAW. I watched the entire video
>
>> demo and this looks like they were reading my mind.....which may be why
> they
>> stopped before it got too complex and twisted....but there is no midi I/O
> on
>> this interface, is there? Didn't see any. That may be a show stopper. Does
>
>> anyone make a decent (large) midi interface now that Steinberg discontinued
>
>> the Midex?
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>> news:C2BFAA72.B6CD%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>> Since you can daisy chain the Konnekt interfaces via TCNear networking,
>
>>> and
>>> this one has it as well, I would guess Konnekt 32 can as well, but the
> I
>>> would wonder whether the firewire port can handle more than 16 in and
> out
>>> at
>>> the same time.
>>>
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> On 7/15/07 10:16 AM, in article 469a4843$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
>>> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Funny, that's the first question I had. That and price.
>>>> Gene
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>> Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?
>>>>>
>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:469a38a4@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>>>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with a
> few
>>>>
>>>>>> tricks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Price?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88129 is a reply to message #88126] |
Sun, 15 July 2007 16:35 |
excelav
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Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>On 7/15/07 11:28 AM, in article 469a5933@linux, "Gene Lennon"
><glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On a Mac you can aggregate PCI(e) and Firewire interfaces to build one
large
>> I/O system. Is this possible under XP?
>>
>> Gene
>
>Mixed manufacturers? What kind of latency are you getting with sample
>library VSTi's and mixed firewire/PCIe?
>
>My Fireface 800 doesn't have the low latency of the PCI HDSP system, so
I'm
>curious if when mixing the two, latency is subject to the limitation of
the
>firewire interface, or if the Mac/Core audio manages it better than XP
>might.
>
>With XP/PC you can add interfaces from one manufacturer, but I doubt
>Firewire and PCIe would be elegant - the only time I tried it the Firewire
>interface was only connected for access to its' control panel - only the
PCI
>interface handled direct I/O.
>
>I also agree with James on the Konnekt - 32x32 would be much more attractive
>if used as an interface and not just a converter/patchbay, but I fear that's
>a firewire limitation.
>
>Dedric
>
I don't think it's FW, the Pro Fire Light bridge will do 34x36. http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProFireLightbridge-mai n.html
>>
>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>> If the driver will suport two + units, it might be a monster with a
>>> dedicated 4 x port FW PCIe card, especially if you can further
>>> merge/interpatch within the software control panel. I'd probably look
pretty
>>
>>> hard at this if the price was right. I'm currently doing pretty much
what
>>
>>> this will do using 4 x Behringer SRC 2496 units along with an RME ADI4-DD
>>
>>> for real time SRC for two of my outboard reverbs and interpatching various
>>
>>> other I/O through a Frontier Apache and M-Audio C03 units to connect
the
>>
>>> other digital processors, SMUX I/O of my converters and the I/O of my
slave
>>
>>> computer with the free I/O of the master computer. It's a daunting scenario.
>>
>>> I have written an I/O sheet (small manual) for this that I have memorized
>>
>>> and the faceplates of the gear are all labelled as well. Same thing with
>> all
>>> of the midi I/O I have here. There's a lot of it and it is interpatched
>>
>>> through an Ensoniq KMX-16. This is only about half as insane as things
>> were
>>> when I was integrating Paris with the Cubase DAW. I watched the entire
video
>>
>>> demo and this looks like they were reading my mind.....which may be why
>> they
>>> stopped before it got too complex and twisted....but there is no midi
I/O
>> on
>>> this interface, is there? Didn't see any. That may be a show stopper.
Does
>>
>>> anyone make a decent (large) midi interface now that Steinberg discontinued
>>
>>> the Midex?
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>> news:C2BFAA72.B6CD%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>> Since you can daisy chain the Konnekt interfaces via TCNear networking,
>>
>>>> and
>>>> this one has it as well, I would guess Konnekt 32 can as well, but the
>> I
>>>> would wonder whether the firewire port can handle more than 16 in and
>> out
>>>> at
>>>> the same time.
>>>>
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>> On 7/15/07 10:16 AM, in article 469a4843$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
>>>> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Funny, that's the first question I had. That and price.
>>>>> Gene
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>> Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:469a38a4@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>>>>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with
a
>> few
>>>>>
>>>>>>> tricks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Price?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88131 is a reply to message #88129] |
Sun, 15 July 2007 16:52 |
Dedric Terry
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----- Original Message -----
From: "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: DJ and people with complex setups
>
> I don't think it's FW, the Pro Fire Light bridge will do 34x36.
> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProFireLightbridge-mai n.html
Hi James - Any experiences with this unit to report (drivers, latency,
integration with PCI audio cards)? M-Audio never had a great rep for
drivers and quality, but I know Lamont gave it a thumbs up, so it seems
worth considering. I could use an extra 4 lightpipe ports. I've been
reluctant to put as much weight on firewire as PCI/PCIe so far, but would
like to be able to implement something like this.
Regards,
Dedric
>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>> If the driver will suport two + units, it might be a monster with a
>>>> dedicated 4 x port FW PCIe card, especially if you can further
>>>> merge/interpatch within the software control panel. I'd probably look
> pretty
>>>
>>>> hard at this if the price was right. I'm currently doing pretty much
> what
>>>
>>>> this will do using 4 x Behringer SRC 2496 units along with an RME
>>>> ADI4-DD
>>>
>>>> for real time SRC for two of my outboard reverbs and interpatching
>>>> various
>>>
>>>> other I/O through a Frontier Apache and M-Audio C03 units to connect
> the
>>>
>>>> other digital processors, SMUX I/O of my converters and the I/O of my
> slave
>>>
>>>> computer with the free I/O of the master computer. It's a daunting
>>>> scenario.
>>>
>>>> I have written an I/O sheet (small manual) for this that I have
>>>> memorized
>>>
>>>> and the faceplates of the gear are all labelled as well. Same thing
>>>> with
>>> all
>>>> of the midi I/O I have here. There's a lot of it and it is interpatched
>>>
>>>> through an Ensoniq KMX-16. This is only about half as insane as things
>>> were
>>>> when I was integrating Paris with the Cubase DAW. I watched the entire
> video
>>>
>>>> demo and this looks like they were reading my mind.....which may be why
>>> they
>>>> stopped before it got too complex and twisted....but there is no midi
> I/O
>>> on
>>>> this interface, is there? Didn't see any. That may be a show stopper.
> Does
>>>
>>>> anyone make a decent (large) midi interface now that Steinberg
>>>> discontinued
>>>
>>>> the Midex?
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:C2BFAA72.B6CD%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>>> Since you can daisy chain the Konnekt interfaces via TCNear
>>>>> networking,
>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>> this one has it as well, I would guess Konnekt 32 can as well, but the
>>> I
>>>>> would wonder whether the firewire port can handle more than 16 in and
>>> out
>>>>> at
>>>>> the same time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/15/07 10:16 AM, in article 469a4843$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
>>>>> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Funny, that's the first question I had. That and price.
>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:469a38a4@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>>>>>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with
> a
>>> few
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> tricks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Price?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88132 is a reply to message #88123] |
Sun, 15 July 2007 17:11 |
gene lennon
Messages: 565
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Actually, I am considering building a PC for mixing.
I have become quite enamored with Nebula3, and although I could route to
it using a complex ADAT maze, I want to at least consider a PC – centric
mix setup.
If I use my MOTU PCI setup for my primary I/O, I probably can’t also integrate
the TC box for I/O to my 6000 and a few other tricks I would like it to do,
right?
I guess this is not the right place to ask if Cubase is the right choice
for a mix engine. I’m also looking at Reaper (and Nuendo naturally). I have
used Nuendo for several mixes and it always gave good, if not great results.
Gene
"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>You are, of course, just mentioning this to twist the knife........right?
>
>(actually, there is a Win driver called ASIO4all that is supposed to
>accomplish this. Last I heard, it sucked big time.
>
>;o)
>
>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>news:469a5933@linux...
>>
>> On a Mac you can aggregate PCI(e) and Firewire interfaces to build one
>> large
>> I/O system. Is this possible under XP?
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>If the driver will suport two + units, it might be a monster with a
>>>dedicated 4 x port FW PCIe card, especially if you can further
>>>merge/interpatch within the software control panel. I'd probably look
>>>pretty
>>
>>>hard at this if the price was right. I'm currently doing pretty much what
>>
>>>this will do using 4 x Behringer SRC 2496 units along with an RME ADI4-DD
>>
>>>for real time SRC for two of my outboard reverbs and interpatching various
>>
>>>other I/O through a Frontier Apache and M-Audio C03 units to connect the
>>
>>>other digital processors, SMUX I/O of my converters and the I/O of my
>>>slave
>>
>>>computer with the free I/O of the master computer. It's a daunting
>>>scenario.
>>
>>>I have written an I/O sheet (small manual) for this that I have memorized
>>
>>>and the faceplates of the gear are all labelled as well. Same thing with
>> all
>>>of the midi I/O I have here. There's a lot of it and it is interpatched
>>
>>>through an Ensoniq KMX-16. This is only about half as insane as things
>> were
>>>when I was integrating Paris with the Cubase DAW. I watched the entire
>>>video
>>
>>>demo and this looks like they were reading my mind.....which may be why
>> they
>>>stopped before it got too complex and twisted....but there is no midi
I/O
>> on
>>>this interface, is there? Didn't see any. That may be a show stopper.
Does
>>
>>>anyone make a decent (large) midi interface now that Steinberg
>>>discontinued
>>
>>>the Midex?
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>
>>>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>news:C2BFAA72.B6CD%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>> Since you can daisy chain the Konnekt interfaces via TCNear networking,
>>
>>>> and
>>>> this one has it as well, I would guess Konnekt 32 can as well, but the
>> I
>>>> would wonder whether the firewire port can handle more than 16 in and
>> out
>>>> at
>>>> the same time.
>>>>
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>> On 7/15/07 10:16 AM, in article 469a4843$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
>>>> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Funny, that's the first question I had. That and price.
>>>>> Gene
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>> Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:469a38a4@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>>>>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with
a
>> few
>>>>>
>>>>>>> tricks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Price?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88134 is a reply to message #88131] |
Sun, 15 July 2007 17:14 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Hey Dedric, I have no experience with the Pro Fire Lightbridge. I was following
the user reports on gear slutz awhile back. Most reports were good, but
someone didn't like something about the way the monitoring is set up, or
some thing. You might want to read up on those threads. Also, early on,
some didn't like that there are only 18 I/O available in PT. They may have
changed this by now. All other software can utilize all of the I/Os, such
as Nuendo, Cubase, etc.
"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
>Newsgroups: IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS
>Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:35 PM
>Subject: Re: DJ and people with complex setups
>>
>> I don't think it's FW, the Pro Fire Light bridge will do 34x36.
>> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProFireLightbridge-mai n.html
>
>Hi James - Any experiences with this unit to report (drivers, latency,
>integration with PCI audio cards)? M-Audio never had a great rep for
>drivers and quality, but I know Lamont gave it a thumbs up, so it seems
>worth considering. I could use an extra 4 lightpipe ports. I've been
>reluctant to put as much weight on firewire as PCI/PCIe so far, but would
>like to be able to implement something like this.
>
>Regards,
>Dedric
>
>>
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>> If the driver will suport two + units, it might be a monster with a
>>>>> dedicated 4 x port FW PCIe card, especially if you can further
>>>>> merge/interpatch within the software control panel. I'd probably look
>> pretty
>>>>
>>>>> hard at this if the price was right. I'm currently doing pretty much
>> what
>>>>
>>>>> this will do using 4 x Behringer SRC 2496 units along with an RME
>>>>> ADI4-DD
>>>>
>>>>> for real time SRC for two of my outboard reverbs and interpatching
>>>>> various
>>>>
>>>>> other I/O through a Frontier Apache and M-Audio C03 units to connect
>> the
>>>>
>>>>> other digital processors, SMUX I/O of my converters and the I/O of
my
>> slave
>>>>
>>>>> computer with the free I/O of the master computer. It's a daunting
>>>>> scenario.
>>>>
>>>>> I have written an I/O sheet (small manual) for this that I have
>>>>> memorized
>>>>
>>>>> and the faceplates of the gear are all labelled as well. Same thing
>>>>> with
>>>> all
>>>>> of the midi I/O I have here. There's a lot of it and it is interpatched
>>>>
>>>>> through an Ensoniq KMX-16. This is only about half as insane as things
>>>> were
>>>>> when I was integrating Paris with the Cubase DAW. I watched the entire
>> video
>>>>
>>>>> demo and this looks like they were reading my mind.....which may be
why
>>>> they
>>>>> stopped before it got too complex and twisted....but there is no midi
>> I/O
>>>> on
>>>>> this interface, is there? Didn't see any. That may be a show stopper.
>> Does
>>>>
>>>>> anyone make a decent (large) midi interface now that Steinberg
>>>>> discontinued
>>>>
>>>>> the Midex?
>>>>>
>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:C2BFAA72.B6CD%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>>>> Since you can daisy chain the Konnekt interfaces via TCNear
>>>>>> networking,
>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> this one has it as well, I would guess Konnekt 32 can as well, but
the
>>>> I
>>>>>> would wonder whether the firewire port can handle more than 16 in
and
>>>> out
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> the same time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/15/07 10:16 AM, in article 469a4843$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
>>>>>> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Funny, that's the first question I had. That and price.
>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:469a38a4@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>>>>>>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with
>> a
>>>> few
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> tricks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Price?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88136 is a reply to message #88132] |
Sun, 15 July 2007 17:16 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
Registered: July 2005
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I'm starting to get my head around the wierd bugs in Cubase 4 now. Not that
I would recommend it for a professional mix platform right now, but it does
have some cool features. When I talked to Steinberg tech support last week,
they were making "60 days till the big update to Cubase 4.1" noises, but I
wouldn't put my eggs in that basket just now. I'm going to give Nuendo 3 a
try soon.
One main reason I'm stiking with Steinberg instead of moving to Reaper is
because I've got Systemlink pretty well integrated into my situation and I'm
liking it.........plus..I'm just sorta' comfortably miserable with C4 right
now. It's sorta' like Paris....you never know WTF is gonna' happen next.
;o)
"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:469ab7ae$1@linux...
>
> Actually, I am considering building a PC for mixing.
> I have become quite enamored with Nebula3, and although I could route to
> it using a complex ADAT maze, I want to at least consider a PC - centric
> mix setup.
> If I use my MOTU PCI setup for my primary I/O, I probably can't also
> integrate
> the TC box for I/O to my 6000 and a few other tricks I would like it to
> do,
> right?
>
> I guess this is not the right place to ask if Cubase is the right choice
> for a mix engine. I'm also looking at Reaper (and Nuendo naturally). I
> have
> used Nuendo for several mixes and it always gave good, if not great
> results.
>
> Gene
>
>
> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>You are, of course, just mentioning this to twist the knife........right?
>>
>>(actually, there is a Win driver called ASIO4all that is supposed to
>>accomplish this. Last I heard, it sucked big time.
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>news:469a5933@linux...
>>>
>>> On a Mac you can aggregate PCI(e) and Firewire interfaces to build one
>
>>> large
>>> I/O system. Is this possible under XP?
>>>
>>> Gene
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>If the driver will suport two + units, it might be a monster with a
>>>>dedicated 4 x port FW PCIe card, especially if you can further
>>>>merge/interpatch within the software control panel. I'd probably look
>
>>>>pretty
>>>
>>>>hard at this if the price was right. I'm currently doing pretty much
>>>>what
>>>
>>>>this will do using 4 x Behringer SRC 2496 units along with an RME
>>>>ADI4-DD
>>>
>>>>for real time SRC for two of my outboard reverbs and interpatching
>>>>various
>>>
>>>>other I/O through a Frontier Apache and M-Audio C03 units to connect the
>>>
>>>>other digital processors, SMUX I/O of my converters and the I/O of my
>
>>>>slave
>>>
>>>>computer with the free I/O of the master computer. It's a daunting
>>>>scenario.
>>>
>>>>I have written an I/O sheet (small manual) for this that I have
>>>>memorized
>>>
>>>>and the faceplates of the gear are all labelled as well. Same thing with
>>> all
>>>>of the midi I/O I have here. There's a lot of it and it is interpatched
>>>
>>>>through an Ensoniq KMX-16. This is only about half as insane as things
>>> were
>>>>when I was integrating Paris with the Cubase DAW. I watched the entire
>
>>>>video
>>>
>>>>demo and this looks like they were reading my mind.....which may be why
>>> they
>>>>stopped before it got too complex and twisted....but there is no midi
> I/O
>>> on
>>>>this interface, is there? Didn't see any. That may be a show stopper.
> Does
>>>
>>>>anyone make a decent (large) midi interface now that Steinberg
>>>>discontinued
>>>
>>>>the Midex?
>>>>
>>>>;o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:C2BFAA72.B6CD%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>>> Since you can daisy chain the Konnekt interfaces via TCNear
>>>>> networking,
>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>> this one has it as well, I would guess Konnekt 32 can as well, but the
>>> I
>>>>> would wonder whether the firewire port can handle more than 16 in and
>>> out
>>>>> at
>>>>> the same time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/15/07 10:16 AM, in article 469a4843$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
>>>>> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Funny, that's the first question I had. That and price.
>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:469a38a4@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>>>>>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with
> a
>>> few
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> tricks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Price?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88137 is a reply to message #88134] |
Sun, 15 July 2007 17:34 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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Thanks James - I'll check out the gearslutz threads.
Regards,
Dedric
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:469ab863$1@linux...
>
> Hey Dedric, I have no experience with the Pro Fire Lightbridge. I was
> following
> the user reports on gear slutz awhile back. Most reports were good, but
> someone didn't like something about the way the monitoring is set up, or
> some thing. You might want to read up on those threads. Also, early on,
> some didn't like that there are only 18 I/O available in PT. They may
> have
> changed this by now. All other software can utilize all of the I/Os, such
> as Nuendo, Cubase, etc.
>
> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
>>Newsgroups: IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS
>>Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:35 PM
>>Subject: Re: DJ and people with complex setups
>>>
>>> I don't think it's FW, the Pro Fire Light bridge will do 34x36.
>>> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProFireLightbridge-mai n.html
>>
>>Hi James - Any experiences with this unit to report (drivers, latency,
>>integration with PCI audio cards)? M-Audio never had a great rep for
>>drivers and quality, but I know Lamont gave it a thumbs up, so it seems
>
>>worth considering. I could use an extra 4 lightpipe ports. I've been
>>reluctant to put as much weight on firewire as PCI/PCIe so far, but would
>
>>like to be able to implement something like this.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Dedric
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>> If the driver will suport two + units, it might be a monster with a
>>>>>> dedicated 4 x port FW PCIe card, especially if you can further
>>>>>> merge/interpatch within the software control panel. I'd probably look
>>> pretty
>>>>>
>>>>>> hard at this if the price was right. I'm currently doing pretty much
>>> what
>>>>>
>>>>>> this will do using 4 x Behringer SRC 2496 units along with an RME
>>>>>> ADI4-DD
>>>>>
>>>>>> for real time SRC for two of my outboard reverbs and interpatching
>
>>>>>> various
>>>>>
>>>>>> other I/O through a Frontier Apache and M-Audio C03 units to connect
>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>> other digital processors, SMUX I/O of my converters and the I/O of
> my
>>> slave
>>>>>
>>>>>> computer with the free I/O of the master computer. It's a daunting
>
>>>>>> scenario.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have written an I/O sheet (small manual) for this that I have
>>>>>> memorized
>>>>>
>>>>>> and the faceplates of the gear are all labelled as well. Same thing
>
>>>>>> with
>>>>> all
>>>>>> of the midi I/O I have here. There's a lot of it and it is
>>>>>> interpatched
>>>>>
>>>>>> through an Ensoniq KMX-16. This is only about half as insane as
>>>>>> things
>>>>> were
>>>>>> when I was integrating Paris with the Cubase DAW. I watched the
>>>>>> entire
>>> video
>>>>>
>>>>>> demo and this looks like they were reading my mind.....which may be
> why
>>>>> they
>>>>>> stopped before it got too complex and twisted....but there is no midi
>>> I/O
>>>>> on
>>>>>> this interface, is there? Didn't see any. That may be a show stopper.
>>> Does
>>>>>
>>>>>> anyone make a decent (large) midi interface now that Steinberg
>>>>>> discontinued
>>>>>
>>>>>> the Midex?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:C2BFAA72.B6CD%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>>>>> Since you can daisy chain the Konnekt interfaces via TCNear
>>>>>>> networking,
>>>>>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> this one has it as well, I would guess Konnekt 32 can as well, but
> the
>>>>> I
>>>>>>> would wonder whether the firewire port can handle more than 16 in
> and
>>>>> out
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> the same time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/15/07 10:16 AM, in article 469a4843$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
>>>>>>> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Funny, that's the first question I had. That and price.
>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:469a38a4@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>>>>>>>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with
>>> a
>>>>> few
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> tricks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Price?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88140 is a reply to message #88123] |
Sun, 15 July 2007 18:06 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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I can't remember the name at the moment, but there is a software vendor out
there that does build a generic driver that's supposed to unify to one
driver set. It takes the latency from the slowest piece of hardware you have
in the set. Dang... can't remember the name.
AA
"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message
news:469a783a$1@linux...
> You are, of course, just mentioning this to twist the knife........right?
>
> (actually, there is a Win driver called ASIO4all that is supposed to
> accomplish this. Last I heard, it sucked big time.
>
> ;o)
>
> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
> news:469a5933@linux...
>>
>> On a Mac you can aggregate PCI(e) and Firewire interfaces to build one
>> large
>> I/O system. Is this possible under XP?
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>If the driver will suport two + units, it might be a monster with a
>>>dedicated 4 x port FW PCIe card, especially if you can further
>>>merge/interpatch within the software control panel. I'd probably look
>>>pretty
>>
>>>hard at this if the price was right. I'm currently doing pretty much what
>>
>>>this will do using 4 x Behringer SRC 2496 units along with an RME ADI4-DD
>>
>>>for real time SRC for two of my outboard reverbs and interpatching
>>>various
>>
>>>other I/O through a Frontier Apache and M-Audio C03 units to connect the
>>
>>>other digital processors, SMUX I/O of my converters and the I/O of my
>>>slave
>>
>>>computer with the free I/O of the master computer. It's a daunting
>>>scenario.
>>
>>>I have written an I/O sheet (small manual) for this that I have memorized
>>
>>>and the faceplates of the gear are all labelled as well. Same thing with
>> all
>>>of the midi I/O I have here. There's a lot of it and it is interpatched
>>
>>>through an Ensoniq KMX-16. This is only about half as insane as things
>> were
>>>when I was integrating Paris with the Cubase DAW. I watched the entire
>>>video
>>
>>>demo and this looks like they were reading my mind.....which may be why
>> they
>>>stopped before it got too complex and twisted....but there is no midi I/O
>> on
>>>this interface, is there? Didn't see any. That may be a show stopper.
>>>Does
>>
>>>anyone make a decent (large) midi interface now that Steinberg
>>>discontinued
>>
>>>the Midex?
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>
>>>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>news:C2BFAA72.B6CD%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>> Since you can daisy chain the Konnekt interfaces via TCNear networking,
>>
>>>> and
>>>> this one has it as well, I would guess Konnekt 32 can as well, but the
>> I
>>>> would wonder whether the firewire port can handle more than 16 in and
>> out
>>>> at
>>>> the same time.
>>>>
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>> On 7/15/07 10:16 AM, in article 469a4843$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
>>>> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Funny, that's the first question I had. That and price.
>>>>> Gene
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>> Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:469a38a4@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>>>>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with a
>> few
>>>>>
>>>>>>> tricks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Price?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88147 is a reply to message #88134] |
Sun, 15 July 2007 19:36 |
gene lennon
Messages: 565
Registered: July 2006
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I have a ProFire Lightbridge. I use it for all kinds of stuff including Pro
Tools-M where it does give 34X34 up to 48K, or 18X18 at 96 (PT 7.3.1). It
has a headphone out but it only chases SPDIF out. Latency goes down to 256,
but I never use it for cutting…only mixing where I may use it in PT or aggregate
it into my main I/O for sends to and from Paris or a V-stack PC. It has no
internal direct monitor system or any internal mixing. I have not had any
of the clock issues talked about at Gearslutz. It makes PT-M a viable alternative
to HD if you are mixing analog and it has been a good purchase for me coming
in handy many times. It does work with the Core Audio Aggregation tool along
with my MOTU PCIe rig.
Gene
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Hey Dedric, I have no experience with the Pro Fire Lightbridge. I was following
>the user reports on gear slutz awhile back. Most reports were good, but
>someone didn't like something about the way the monitoring is set up, or
>some thing. You might want to read up on those threads. Also, early on,
>some didn't like that there are only 18 I/O available in PT. They may have
>changed this by now. All other software can utilize all of the I/Os, such
>as Nuendo, Cubase, etc.
>
>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
>>Newsgroups: IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS
>>Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:35 PM
>>Subject: Re: DJ and people with complex setups
>>>
>>> I don't think it's FW, the Pro Fire Light bridge will do 34x36.
>>> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProFireLightbridge-mai n.html
>>
>>Hi James - Any experiences with this unit to report (drivers, latency,
>>integration with PCI audio cards)? M-Audio never had a great rep for
>>drivers and quality, but I know Lamont gave it a thumbs up, so it seems
>
>>worth considering. I could use an extra 4 lightpipe ports. I've been
>>reluctant to put as much weight on firewire as PCI/PCIe so far, but would
>
>>like to be able to implement something like this.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Dedric
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>> If the driver will suport two + units, it might be a monster with
a
>>>>>> dedicated 4 x port FW PCIe card, especially if you can further
>>>>>> merge/interpatch within the software control panel. I'd probably look
>>> pretty
>>>>>
>>>>>> hard at this if the price was right. I'm currently doing pretty much
>>> what
>>>>>
>>>>>> this will do using 4 x Behringer SRC 2496 units along with an RME
>>>>>> ADI4-DD
>>>>>
>>>>>> for real time SRC for two of my outboard reverbs and interpatching
>
>>>>>> various
>>>>>
>>>>>> other I/O through a Frontier Apache and M-Audio C03 units to connect
>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>> other digital processors, SMUX I/O of my converters and the I/O of
>my
>>> slave
>>>>>
>>>>>> computer with the free I/O of the master computer. It's a daunting
>
>>>>>> scenario.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have written an I/O sheet (small manual) for this that I have
>>>>>> memorized
>>>>>
>>>>>> and the faceplates of the gear are all labelled as well. Same thing
>
>>>>>> with
>>>>> all
>>>>>> of the midi I/O I have here. There's a lot of it and it is interpatched
>>>>>
>>>>>> through an Ensoniq KMX-16. This is only about half as insane as things
>>>>> were
>>>>>> when I was integrating Paris with the Cubase DAW. I watched the entire
>>> video
>>>>>
>>>>>> demo and this looks like they were reading my mind.....which may be
>why
>>>>> they
>>>>>> stopped before it got too complex and twisted....but there is no midi
>>> I/O
>>>>> on
>>>>>> this interface, is there? Didn't see any. That may be a show stopper.
>>> Does
>>>>>
>>>>>> anyone make a decent (large) midi interface now that Steinberg
>>>>>> discontinued
>>>>>
>>>>>> the Midex?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:C2BFAA72.B6CD%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>>>>> Since you can daisy chain the Konnekt interfaces via TCNear
>>>>>>> networking,
>>>>>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> this one has it as well, I would guess Konnekt 32 can as well, but
>the
>>>>> I
>>>>>>> would wonder whether the firewire port can handle more than 16 in
>and
>>>>> out
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> the same time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/15/07 10:16 AM, in article 469a4843$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
>>>>>>> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Funny, that's the first question I had. That and price.
>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:469a38a4@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>>>>>>>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with
>>> a
>>>>> few
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> tricks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Price?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88148 is a reply to message #88147] |
Sun, 15 July 2007 19:40 |
gene lennon
Messages: 565
Registered: July 2006
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Rather simple c- panel
"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>I have a ProFire Lightbridge. I use it for all kinds of stuff including
Pro
>Tools-M where it does give 34X34 up to 48K, or 18X18 at 96 (PT 7.3.1). It
>has a headphone out but it only chases SPDIF out. Latency goes down to 256,
>but I never use it for cutting…only mixing where I may use it in PT or aggregate
>it into my main I/O for sends to and from Paris or a V-stack PC. It has
no
>internal direct monitor system or any internal mixing. I have not had any
>of the clock issues talked about at Gearslutz. It makes PT-M a viable alternative
>to HD if you are mixing analog and it has been a good purchase for me coming
>in handy many times. It does work with the Core Audio Aggregation tool along
>with my MOTU PCIe rig.
>
>Gene
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hey Dedric, I have no experience with the Pro Fire Lightbridge. I was
following
>>the user reports on gear slutz awhile back. Most reports were good, but
>>someone didn't like something about the way the monitoring is set up, or
>>some thing. You might want to read up on those threads. Also, early on,
>>some didn't like that there are only 18 I/O available in PT. They may
have
>>changed this by now. All other software can utilize all of the I/Os, such
>>as Nuendo, Cubase, etc.
>>
>>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
>>>Newsgroups: IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS
>>>Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:35 PM
>>>Subject: Re: DJ and people with complex setups
>>>>
>>>> I don't think it's FW, the Pro Fire Light bridge will do 34x36.
>>>> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProFireLightbridge-mai n.html
>>>
>>>Hi James - Any experiences with this unit to report (drivers, latency,
>
>>>integration with PCI audio cards)? M-Audio never had a great rep for
>>>drivers and quality, but I know Lamont gave it a thumbs up, so it seems
>>
>>>worth considering. I could use an extra 4 lightpipe ports. I've been
>
>>>reluctant to put as much weight on firewire as PCI/PCIe so far, but would
>>
>>>like to be able to implement something like this.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Dedric
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>> If the driver will suport two + units, it might be a monster with
>a
>>>>>>> dedicated 4 x port FW PCIe card, especially if you can further
>>>>>>> merge/interpatch within the software control panel. I'd probably
look
>>>> pretty
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hard at this if the price was right. I'm currently doing pretty much
>>>> what
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> this will do using 4 x Behringer SRC 2496 units along with an RME
>
>>>>>>> ADI4-DD
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for real time SRC for two of my outboard reverbs and interpatching
>>
>>>>>>> various
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> other I/O through a Frontier Apache and M-Audio C03 units to connect
>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> other digital processors, SMUX I/O of my converters and the I/O of
>>my
>>>> slave
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> computer with the free I/O of the master computer. It's a daunting
>>
>>>>>>> scenario.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have written an I/O sheet (small manual) for this that I have
>>>>>>> memorized
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and the faceplates of the gear are all labelled as well. Same thing
>>
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> of the midi I/O I have here. There's a lot of it and it is interpatched
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> through an Ensoniq KMX-16. This is only about half as insane as
things
>>>>>> were
>>>>>>> when I was integrating Paris with the Cubase DAW. I watched the entire
>>>> video
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> demo and this looks like they were reading my mind.....which may
be
>>why
>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> stopped before it got too complex and twisted....but there is no
midi
>>>> I/O
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> this interface, is there? Didn't see any. That may be a show stopper.
>>>> Does
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> anyone make a decent (large) midi interface now that Steinberg
>>>>>>> discontinued
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the Midex?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:C2BFAA72.B6CD%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>>>>>> Since you can daisy chain the Konnekt interfaces via TCNear
>>>>>>>> networking,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> this one has it as well, I would guess Konnekt 32 can as well, but
>>the
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> would wonder whether the firewire port can handle more than 16 in
>>and
>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> the same time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/15/07 10:16 AM, in article 469a4843$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
>>>>>>>> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Funny, that's the first question I had. That and price.
>>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:469a38a4@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>>>>>>>>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface
with
>>>> a
>>>>>> few
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> tricks.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Price?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88166 is a reply to message #88147] |
Mon, 16 July 2007 06:19 |
wireline[34]
Messages: 1
Registered: July 2007
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I know its blasphemy...but...
At some point the intricacies of relying on digital connection, innumerable
ADDA, etc., seem to fall into the realm of major risk taking...
Again, just an opinion, but even with the wart infested Samp 9, having a
dedicated console eliminates almost ALL routing issues...true zero latency
monitoring, effects to cue sends, and no drivers to worry about...
Just food for thought...
"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>I have a ProFire Lightbridge. I use it for all kinds of stuff including
Pro
>Tools-M where it does give 34X34 up to 48K, or 18X18 at 96 (PT 7.3.1). It
>has a headphone out but it only chases SPDIF out. Latency goes down to 256,
>but I never use it for cutting…only mixing where I may use it in PT or aggregate
>it into my main I/O for sends to and from Paris or a V-stack PC. It has
no
>internal direct monitor system or any internal mixing. I have not had any
>of the clock issues talked about at Gearslutz. It makes PT-M a viable alternative
>to HD if you are mixing analog and it has been a good purchase for me coming
>in handy many times. It does work with the Core Audio Aggregation tool along
>with my MOTU PCIe rig.
>
>Gene
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hey Dedric, I have no experience with the Pro Fire Lightbridge. I was
following
>>the user reports on gear slutz awhile back. Most reports were good, but
>>someone didn't like something about the way the monitoring is set up, or
>>some thing. You might want to read up on those threads. Also, early on,
>>some didn't like that there are only 18 I/O available in PT. They may
have
>>changed this by now. All other software can utilize all of the I/Os, such
>>as Nuendo, Cubase, etc.
>>
>>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
>>>Newsgroups: IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS
>>>Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:35 PM
>>>Subject: Re: DJ and people with complex setups
>>>>
>>>> I don't think it's FW, the Pro Fire Light bridge will do 34x36.
>>>> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProFireLightbridge-mai n.html
>>>
>>>Hi James - Any experiences with this unit to report (drivers, latency,
>
>>>integration with PCI audio cards)? M-Audio never had a great rep for
>>>drivers and quality, but I know Lamont gave it a thumbs up, so it seems
>>
>>>worth considering. I could use an extra 4 lightpipe ports. I've been
>
>>>reluctant to put as much weight on firewire as PCI/PCIe so far, but would
>>
>>>like to be able to implement something like this.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Dedric
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>> If the driver will suport two + units, it might be a monster with
>a
>>>>>>> dedicated 4 x port FW PCIe card, especially if you can further
>>>>>>> merge/interpatch within the software control panel. I'd probably
look
>>>> pretty
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hard at this if the price was right. I'm currently doing pretty much
>>>> what
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> this will do using 4 x Behringer SRC 2496 units along with an RME
>
>>>>>>> ADI4-DD
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for real time SRC for two of my outboard reverbs and interpatching
>>
>>>>>>> various
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> other I/O through a Frontier Apache and M-Audio C03 units to connect
>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> other digital processors, SMUX I/O of my converters and the I/O of
>>my
>>>> slave
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> computer with the free I/O of the master computer. It's a daunting
>>
>>>>>>> scenario.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have written an I/O sheet (small manual) for this that I have
>>>>>>> memorized
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and the faceplates of the gear are all labelled as well. Same thing
>>
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> of the midi I/O I have here. There's a lot of it and it is interpatched
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> through an Ensoniq KMX-16. This is only about half as insane as
things
>>>>>> were
>>>>>>> when I was integrating Paris with the Cubase DAW. I watched the entire
>>>> video
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> demo and this looks like they were reading my mind.....which may
be
>>why
>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> stopped before it got too complex and twisted....but there is no
midi
>>>> I/O
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> this interface, is there? Didn't see any. That may be a show stopper.
>>>> Does
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> anyone make a decent (large) midi interface now that Steinberg
>>>>>>> discontinued
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the Midex?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:C2BFAA72.B6CD%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>>>>>> Since you can daisy chain the Konnekt interfaces via TCNear
>>>>>>>> networking,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> this one has it as well, I would guess Konnekt 32 can as well, but
>>the
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> would wonder whether the firewire port can handle more than 16 in
>>and
>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> the same time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/15/07 10:16 AM, in article 469a4843$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
>>>>>>>> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Funny, that's the first question I had. That and price.
>>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:469a38a4@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>>>>>>>>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface
with
>>>> a
>>>>>> few
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> tricks.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Price?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88196 is a reply to message #88126] |
Mon, 16 July 2007 14:50 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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HI Dedric,
Dedric Terry wrote:
> On 7/15/07 11:28 AM, in article 469a5933@linux, "Gene Lennon"
> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>> On a Mac you can aggregate PCI(e) and Firewire interfaces to build one large
>> I/O system. Is this possible under XP?
With 3rd party software like ASIO4ALL yes.
>>
>> Gene
>
> Mixed manufacturers? What kind of latency are you getting with sample
> library VSTi's and mixed firewire/PCIe?
It will only be as low as the weakest card in the system.
>
> My Fireface 800 doesn't have the low latency of the PCI HDSP system, so I'm
> curious if when mixing the two, latency is subject to the limitation of the
> firewire interface, or if the Mac/Core audio manages it better than XP
> might.
As long as the PC is using the proper hardware and is configured
correctly then there is no difference in performance.
>
> With XP/PC you can add interfaces from one manufacturer, but I doubt
> Firewire and PCIe would be elegant - the only time I tried it the Firewire
> interface was only connected for access to its' control panel - only the PCI
> interface handled direct I/O.
>
> I also agree with James on the Konnekt - 32x32 would be much more attractive
> if used as an interface and not just a converter/patchbay, but I fear that's
> a firewire limitation.
I think the biggest limitation on the unit is the firewire portion. It
would be better served with more I/O's. The Dice II chip that they use
for Firewire is not very reliable on MAC or PC. They are just starting
to be able to sort out compatibility and performance issues.
Chris
>
> Dedric
>
>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>> If the driver will suport two + units, it might be a monster with a
>>> dedicated 4 x port FW PCIe card, especially if you can further
>>> merge/interpatch within the software control panel. I'd probably look pretty
>>> hard at this if the price was right. I'm currently doing pretty much what
>>> this will do using 4 x Behringer SRC 2496 units along with an RME ADI4-DD
>>> for real time SRC for two of my outboard reverbs and interpatching various
>>> other I/O through a Frontier Apache and M-Audio C03 units to connect the
>>> other digital processors, SMUX I/O of my converters and the I/O of my slave
>>> computer with the free I/O of the master computer. It's a daunting scenario.
>>> I have written an I/O sheet (small manual) for this that I have memorized
>>> and the faceplates of the gear are all labelled as well. Same thing with
>> all
>>> of the midi I/O I have here. There's a lot of it and it is interpatched
>>> through an Ensoniq KMX-16. This is only about half as insane as things
>> were
>>> when I was integrating Paris with the Cubase DAW. I watched the entire video
>>> demo and this looks like they were reading my mind.....which may be why
>> they
>>> stopped before it got too complex and twisted....but there is no midi I/O
>> on
>>> this interface, is there? Didn't see any. That may be a show stopper. Does
>>> anyone make a decent (large) midi interface now that Steinberg discontinued
>>> the Midex?
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>> news:C2BFAA72.B6CD%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>> Since you can daisy chain the Konnekt interfaces via TCNear networking,
>>>> and
>>>> this one has it as well, I would guess Konnekt 32 can as well, but the
>> I
>>>> would wonder whether the firewire port can handle more than 16 in and
>> out
>>>> at
>>>> the same time.
>>>>
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>> On 7/15/07 10:16 AM, in article 469a4843$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
>>>> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Funny, that's the first question I had. That and price.
>>>>> Gene
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>> Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:469a38a4@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>>>>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with a
>> few
>>>>>>> tricks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Price?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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