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| Re: S/MUX (ADAT doublewire) question [message #90805 is a reply to message #90804] |
Sat, 29 September 2007 13:57   |
DJ
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I understand, but does this mean that 5 is combining signals with 1, 6 with
2, 7 with 3 and 8 with 4? (a scenario that I didn't think of, BTW) That
would make sense. In my particular situation, that's what I need to be sure
of.
Thanks,
Deej
"Neil" <IOUIOU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:46febbab$1@linux...
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> I think it's simply that 5, 6, 7 & 8 drop off when at 88.2.
>
> IOW, on my Multifascia, when at 88.2 and selecting an input
> from lightpipe, channel 2 is still channel 2, 3 is still 3, and
> 4 is still 4 - there's just no 5-8.
>
> It's just a matter of each channel taking up twice the
> bandwidth.
>
> Neil
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> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>I'm getting ready to wire in a fairly involved hardware
>>configuration........really???.......moi? . For you guys who use 88.2 a
> lot,
>>I have a question. I need to be able to switch sample rates between
>>projects
>
>>while not having to physicaly repatch any gear. I'll be using a MADI
>>PCI/ADI
>
>>648 but I'm sure the S/MUX would apply to an HDSP series card of any
>>type..
>
>>When changing from a 44.1 KHz projects to a 88.2 KHz projects do the HDSP
>
>>I/O channels reconfigure as follows??:
>>
>>ADAT I/O 1
>>channels 1 & 2 combine to create channel 1
>>channels 3 & 4 combine to create channel 2
>>channels 5 & 6 combine to create channel 3
>>channels 7 & 8 combine to create channel 4
>>ADAT 1/O 2
>>channels 9 & 10 combine to create channel 5
>>channels 11 & 12 combine to create channel 6
>>channels 13 & 14 combine to create channel 7
>>channels 15 & 16 combine to create channel 8
>>
>>or is it.....
>>
>>ADAT I/O 1
>>channels 1 & 3 combine to create channel 1
>>channels 2 & 4 combine to create channel 2
>>channels 5 & 7 combine to create channel 3
>>channels 6 & 8 combine to create channel 4
>>ADAT 1/O 2
>>channels 9 & 11 combine to create channel 5
>>channels 10 & 12 combine to create channel 6
>>channels 13 & 15 combine to create channel 7
>>channels 14 & 16 combine to create channel 8
>>
>>or is it
>>
>>ADAT I/O channels 1 & 2 combine with ADAT I/O 9 & 10 to create channel 1
> & 2
>>ADAT I/O channels 3 & 4 combine with ADAT I/O 11 & 12 to create channel
> 3 &
>>4
>>ADAT I/O channels 5 & 6 combine with ADAT I/O 13 & 14 to create channel
> 5 &
>>6
>>ADAT I/O channels 7 & 8 combine with ADAT I/O 15 & 16 to create channel
> 7 &
>>8
>>
>>I just need to know ahead of time before I jump into this. I'm going to
> be
>>having to do this install without any assistance and I don't want to spend
> a
>>whole day getting this wired in and then end up with a total cluster****
> in
>>my signal routing.
>>
>>
>
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| Re: S/MUX (ADAT doublewire) question [message #90806 is a reply to message #90805] |
Sat, 29 September 2007 14:29 |
Neil
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AFAIK, that's not how it works (combining); the protocol just
assigns a certain amount of bandwidth to each channel,
depending on the samplerate.
You won't need to repatch anything when switching from an 88.2k
project to a 44.1k project, channels 5-8 on each lightpipe just
won't exist at 88.2k
Neil
"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>I understand, but does this mean that 5 is combining signals with 1, 6 with
>2, 7 with 3 and 8 with 4? (a scenario that I didn't think of, BTW) That
>would make sense. In my particular situation, that's what I need to be sure
>of.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Deej
>
>"Neil" <IOUIOU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:46febbab$1@linux...
>>
>> I think it's simply that 5, 6, 7 & 8 drop off when at 88.2.
>>
>> IOW, on my Multifascia, when at 88.2 and selecting an input
>> from lightpipe, channel 2 is still channel 2, 3 is still 3, and
>> 4 is still 4 - there's just no 5-8.
>>
>> It's just a matter of each channel taking up twice the
>> bandwidth.
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>I'm getting ready to wire in a fairly involved hardware
>>>configuration........really???.......moi? . For you guys who use 88.2
a
>> lot,
>>>I have a question. I need to be able to switch sample rates between
>>>projects
>>
>>>while not having to physicaly repatch any gear. I'll be using a MADI
>>>PCI/ADI
>>
>>>648 but I'm sure the S/MUX would apply to an HDSP series card of any
>>>type..
>>
>>>When changing from a 44.1 KHz projects to a 88.2 KHz projects do the HDSP
>>
>>>I/O channels reconfigure as follows??:
>>>
>>>ADAT I/O 1
>>>channels 1 & 2 combine to create channel 1
>>>channels 3 & 4 combine to create channel 2
>>>channels 5 & 6 combine to create channel 3
>>>channels 7 & 8 combine to create channel 4
>>>ADAT 1/O 2
>>>channels 9 & 10 combine to create channel 5
>>>channels 11 & 12 combine to create channel 6
>>>channels 13 & 14 combine to create channel 7
>>>channels 15 & 16 combine to create channel 8
>>>
>>>or is it.....
>>>
>>>ADAT I/O 1
>>>channels 1 & 3 combine to create channel 1
>>>channels 2 & 4 combine to create channel 2
>>>channels 5 & 7 combine to create channel 3
>>>channels 6 & 8 combine to create channel 4
>>>ADAT 1/O 2
>>>channels 9 & 11 combine to create channel 5
>>>channels 10 & 12 combine to create channel 6
>>>channels 13 & 15 combine to create channel 7
>>>channels 14 & 16 combine to create channel 8
>>>
>>>or is it
>>>
>>>ADAT I/O channels 1 & 2 combine with ADAT I/O 9 & 10 to create channel
1
>> & 2
>>>ADAT I/O channels 3 & 4 combine with ADAT I/O 11 & 12 to create channel
>> 3 &
>>>4
>>>ADAT I/O channels 5 & 6 combine with ADAT I/O 13 & 14 to create channel
>> 5 &
>>>6
>>>ADAT I/O channels 7 & 8 combine with ADAT I/O 15 & 16 to create channel
>> 7 &
>>>8
>>>
>>>I just need to know ahead of time before I jump into this. I'm going to
>> be
>>>having to do this install without any assistance and I don't want to spend
>> a
>>>whole day getting this wired in and then end up with a total cluster****
>> in
>>>my signal routing.
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: S/MUX (ADAT doublewire) question [message #90808 is a reply to message #90805] |
Sat, 29 September 2007 15:10 |
Chris Ludwig
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Hi DJ,
Neil is correct in the way he describes it.
Also it will be more flexible if you have the MADI card be master if you
are going to be switching sample rates allot.
Did you ever find out if the used ADI-648 you got is a recent enough one
to have the MIDI Remote support?
It makes configuring the front panel very easy if the unit is not in
arms/visual reach.
Also don't forget that MADI's I/O is also cut in half at 88.2/96k like
ADAT. So 32 channels instead of 64.
Chris
DJ wrote:
> I understand, but does this mean that 5 is combining signals with 1, 6 with
> 2, 7 with 3 and 8 with 4? (a scenario that I didn't think of, BTW) That
> would make sense. In my particular situation, that's what I need to be sure
> of.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Deej
>
> "Neil" <IOUIOU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:46febbab$1@linux...
>
>> I think it's simply that 5, 6, 7 & 8 drop off when at 88.2.
>>
>> IOW, on my Multifascia, when at 88.2 and selecting an input
>> from lightpipe, channel 2 is still channel 2, 3 is still 3, and
>> 4 is still 4 - there's just no 5-8.
>>
>> It's just a matter of each channel taking up twice the
>> bandwidth.
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm getting ready to wire in a fairly involved hardware
>>> configuration........really???.......moi? . For you guys who use 88.2 a
>>>
>> lot,
>>
>>> I have a question. I need to be able to switch sample rates between
>>> projects
>>>
>>> while not having to physicaly repatch any gear. I'll be using a MADI
>>> PCI/ADI
>>>
>>> 648 but I'm sure the S/MUX would apply to an HDSP series card of any
>>> type..
>>>
>>> When changing from a 44.1 KHz projects to a 88.2 KHz projects do the HDSP
>>>
>>> I/O channels reconfigure as follows??:
>>>
>>> ADAT I/O 1
>>> channels 1 & 2 combine to create channel 1
>>> channels 3 & 4 combine to create channel 2
>>> channels 5 & 6 combine to create channel 3
>>> channels 7 & 8 combine to create channel 4
>>> ADAT 1/O 2
>>> channels 9 & 10 combine to create channel 5
>>> channels 11 & 12 combine to create channel 6
>>> channels 13 & 14 combine to create channel 7
>>> channels 15 & 16 combine to create channel 8
>>>
>>> or is it.....
>>>
>>> ADAT I/O 1
>>> channels 1 & 3 combine to create channel 1
>>> channels 2 & 4 combine to create channel 2
>>> channels 5 & 7 combine to create channel 3
>>> channels 6 & 8 combine to create channel 4
>>> ADAT 1/O 2
>>> channels 9 & 11 combine to create channel 5
>>> channels 10 & 12 combine to create channel 6
>>> channels 13 & 15 combine to create channel 7
>>> channels 14 & 16 combine to create channel 8
>>>
>>> or is it
>>>
>>> ADAT I/O channels 1 & 2 combine with ADAT I/O 9 & 10 to create channel 1
>>>
>> & 2
>>
>>> ADAT I/O channels 3 & 4 combine with ADAT I/O 11 & 12 to create channel
>>>
>> 3 &
>>
>>> 4
>>> ADAT I/O channels 5 & 6 combine with ADAT I/O 13 & 14 to create channel
>>>
>> 5 &
>>
>>> 6
>>> ADAT I/O channels 7 & 8 combine with ADAT I/O 15 & 16 to create channel
>>>
>> 7 &
>>
>>> 8
>>>
>>> I just need to know ahead of time before I jump into this. I'm going to
>>>
>> be
>>
>>> having to do this install without any assistance and I don't want to spend
>>>
>> a
>>
>>> whole day getting this wired in and then end up with a total cluster****
>>>
>> in
>>
>>> my signal routing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
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| Re: S/MUX (ADAT doublewire) question [message #90810 is a reply to message #90808] |
Sat, 29 September 2007 16:49 |
DJ
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"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:46fecf15@linux...
> Hi DJ,
> Neil is correct in the way he describes it.
> Also it will be more flexible if you have the MADI card be master if you
> are going to be switching sample rates allot.
> Did you ever find out if the used ADI-648 you got is a recent enough one
> to have the MIDI Remote support?
> It makes configuring the front panel very easy if the unit is not in
> arms/visual reach.
> Also don't forget that MADI's I/O is also cut in half at 88.2/96k like
> ADAT. So 32 channels instead of 64.
>
> Chris
I'm getting ready to wire up a lot of RME hardware. I'm configuring two DAWs
Master/Slave, both running Cubase 4. In my Master DAW, I've got an AES
32/BOB, a MADI card, an ADI 648, an ADI4-DD, 2 x ADI 8-DD's and 2 x ADI 8-DS
units. In the slave DAW I'm running a Multiface PCI.
4 x stereo channels of the AES 32 will be interfacing with the ADI 8-DD
units and the AES I/O of 4 x outboard reverb/multiFX processors which will
down/upsampled for use as send/FX in Cubase by using the ADI 8-DD units.
The other 4 x AES 32 channels will be interfacing with converters and
processors that are 88.2KHz capable.
As for the MADI/ADI 648, what I would like to accomplish is this:
ADAT 1 I/O patched to the ADI 4-DD
Channel 1 & 2 input of the ADI 4-DD receiving the S/PDIF output from the
Multiface slave unit
Channel 1 & 2 output of the ADI 4-Dd unit sending the stereo output of the
DAW to a Benchmark DAC-1
ADI 4-DD I/O 3 & 4 not used because they will be combined with Channels 1 &
2 of the ADI 4-DD when used at 88.2 sample rates-correct?
ADI 4-DD I/O 5 & 6 patched into a Mytek Stereo AD/DA units
ADI 4-DD I/O 7 & 8 not used because they will be combined with Channels 5 &
6 of the ADI 4-DD when used at 88.2 sample rates-correct?
ADAT 2 I/O patched to the ADAT I/O of the Multiface Slave, which when
running both DAWs at 88.2KHz.
I just want to be sure that, when configured in this manner and using 88.2
sample rates on the master and slave DAWS, the various devices would show up
in Totalmix and Cubase VST I/O as follows:
HDSP MADI 1 I/O would be left channel of ADI 4-DD channel 1 & 2 which are
interfacing with the Slave DAW output L and the Benchmark DAC-1 input L
HDSP MADI 2 I/O would be right channel of ADI 4-DD channel 1 & 2 which are
interfacing with the Slave DAW output R and the Benchmark DAC-1 input R
HDSP MADI 3 I/O would be left channel of ADI 4-DD channel 5 & 6 which are
interfacing with the Mytek Stereo 96 AD/DA L
HDSP MADI 4 I/O would be right channel of ADI 4-DD channel 5 & 6 which are
interfacing with the Mytek Stereo 96 AD/DA R
HDSP MADI 5 I/O would be left channel signal from Multiface ADAT I/O 1 & 2
on slave DAW
HDSP MADI 6 I/O would be right channel signal from Multiface ADAT I/O 1 & 2
on slave DAW
HDSP MADI 7 I/O would be left channel signal from Multiface ADAT I/O 3 & 4
on slave DAW
HDSP MADI 8 I/O would be right channel signal from Multiface ADAT I/O 3 & 4
on slave DAW
........or, does ADAT 2 I/O just disappear when switching to 88.2KHz?
I don't want to spend a whole day getting this wired in and suddenly have
signals from the left channel routed to/from one hardware device and signals
on the right channel routed to/from another hardware device.
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| Re: S/MUX (ADAT doublewire) question [message #90812 is a reply to message #90810] |
Sat, 29 September 2007 17:29 |
Nei
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"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>As for the MADI/ADI 648, what I would like to accomplish is this:
>
>ADAT 1 I/O patched to the ADI 4-DD
>Channel 1 & 2 input of the ADI 4-DD receiving the S/PDIF output from the
>Multiface slave unit
>Channel 1 & 2 output of the ADI 4-Dd unit sending the stereo output of the
>DAW to a Benchmark DAC-1
>
>ADI 4-DD I/O 3 & 4 not used because they will be combined with Channels
1 &
>2 of the ADI 4-DD when used at 88.2 sample rates-correct?
>
>ADI 4-DD I/O 5 & 6 patched into a Mytek Stereo AD/DA units
>
>ADI 4-DD I/O 7 & 8 not used because they will be combined with Channels
5 &
>6 of the ADI 4-DD when used at 88.2 sample rates-correct?
Unless I'm completely misunderstanding the SMUX protocol, what
you would want to do for the portion anbove is to use channels
1 through 4 and not use 5-8. IOW, in the part where you say:
***ADI 4-DD I/O 5 & 6 patched into a Mytek Stereo AD/DA units***
Use 3&4 instead of 5&6... follow this pattern all the way
through the rest of the gear & you should be OK.
Chris, chime in - this is correct, yes?
Deej, if you're not cure, you can always hook up ONE unit using
1&2 and 5&6, then flip over to 88.2k & see if 5&6 now show up
on 3&4... I'm 99.9997% certain that's not the way it works,
however.
Neil
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| Re: S/MUX (ADAT doublewire) question [message #90813 is a reply to message #90810] |
Sat, 29 September 2007 17:24 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
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I guess I could ask this another way.......
If I connected three ADI4-DD units to ADAT ports 1, 2, and 3 and I set the
clock rate to 88.2, would I get an AES stereo I/O on 1 & 2 and 5 & 6 of the
AES input/output of each of the three ADI 4-DD units?
thanks,
Deej
"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message
news:46fee642@linux...
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> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> news:46fecf15@linux...
>> Hi DJ,
>> Neil is correct in the way he describes it.
>> Also it will be more flexible if you have the MADI card be master if you
>> are going to be switching sample rates allot.
>> Did you ever find out if the used ADI-648 you got is a recent enough one
>> to have the MIDI Remote support?
>> It makes configuring the front panel very easy if the unit is not in
>> arms/visual reach.
>> Also don't forget that MADI's I/O is also cut in half at 88.2/96k like
>> ADAT. So 32 channels instead of 64.
>>
>> Chris
>
> I'm getting ready to wire up a lot of RME hardware. I'm configuring two
> DAWs Master/Slave, both running Cubase 4. In my Master DAW, I've got an
> AES 32/BOB, a MADI card, an ADI 648, an ADI4-DD, 2 x ADI 8-DD's and 2 x
> ADI 8-DS units. In the slave DAW I'm running a Multiface PCI.
>
> 4 x stereo channels of the AES 32 will be interfacing with the ADI 8-DD
> units and the AES I/O of 4 x outboard reverb/multiFX processors which will
> down/upsampled for use as send/FX in Cubase by using the ADI 8-DD units.
>
> The other 4 x AES 32 channels will be interfacing with converters and
> processors that are 88.2KHz capable.
>
> As for the MADI/ADI 648, what I would like to accomplish is this:
>
> ADAT 1 I/O patched to the ADI 4-DD
> Channel 1 & 2 input of the ADI 4-DD receiving the S/PDIF output from the
> Multiface slave unit
> Channel 1 & 2 output of the ADI 4-Dd unit sending the stereo output of the
> DAW to a Benchmark DAC-1
>
> ADI 4-DD I/O 3 & 4 not used because they will be combined with Channels 1
> & 2 of the ADI 4-DD when used at 88.2 sample rates-correct?
>
> ADI 4-DD I/O 5 & 6 patched into a Mytek Stereo AD/DA units
>
> ADI 4-DD I/O 7 & 8 not used because they will be combined with Channels 5
> & 6 of the ADI 4-DD when used at 88.2 sample rates-correct?
>
> ADAT 2 I/O patched to the ADAT I/O of the Multiface Slave, which when
> running both DAWs at 88.2KHz.
>
> I just want to be sure that, when configured in this manner and using 88.2
> sample rates on the master and slave DAWS, the various devices would show
> up in Totalmix and Cubase VST I/O as follows:
>
> HDSP MADI 1 I/O would be left channel of ADI 4-DD channel 1 & 2 which are
> interfacing with the Slave DAW output L and the Benchmark DAC-1 input L
> HDSP MADI 2 I/O would be right channel of ADI 4-DD channel 1 & 2 which are
> interfacing with the Slave DAW output R and the Benchmark DAC-1 input R
>
> HDSP MADI 3 I/O would be left channel of ADI 4-DD channel 5 & 6 which are
> interfacing with the Mytek Stereo 96 AD/DA L
> HDSP MADI 4 I/O would be right channel of ADI 4-DD channel 5 & 6 which are
> interfacing with the Mytek Stereo 96 AD/DA R
>
> HDSP MADI 5 I/O would be left channel signal from Multiface ADAT I/O 1 & 2
> on slave DAW
> HDSP MADI 6 I/O would be right channel signal from Multiface ADAT I/O 1 &
> 2 on slave DAW
>
> HDSP MADI 7 I/O would be left channel signal from Multiface ADAT I/O 3 & 4
> on slave DAW
> HDSP MADI 8 I/O would be right channel signal from Multiface ADAT I/O 3 &
> 4 on slave DAW
>
>
> .......or, does ADAT 2 I/O just disappear when switching to 88.2KHz?
>
> I don't want to spend a whole day getting this wired in and suddenly have
> signals from the left channel routed to/from one hardware device and
> signals on the right channel routed to/from another hardware device.
>
>
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| Re: S/MUX (ADAT doublewire) question [message #90814 is a reply to message #90812] |
Sat, 29 September 2007 17:25 |
DJ
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That's what's going to happen tonight.
Thanks,
Deej
"Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote in message news:46feedef$1@linux...
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> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>As for the MADI/ADI 648, what I would like to accomplish is this:
>>
>>ADAT 1 I/O patched to the ADI 4-DD
>>Channel 1 & 2 input of the ADI 4-DD receiving the S/PDIF output from the
>
>>Multiface slave unit
>>Channel 1 & 2 output of the ADI 4-Dd unit sending the stereo output of the
>
>>DAW to a Benchmark DAC-1
>>
>>ADI 4-DD I/O 3 & 4 not used because they will be combined with Channels
> 1 &
>>2 of the ADI 4-DD when used at 88.2 sample rates-correct?
>>
>>ADI 4-DD I/O 5 & 6 patched into a Mytek Stereo AD/DA units
>>
>>ADI 4-DD I/O 7 & 8 not used because they will be combined with Channels
> 5 &
>>6 of the ADI 4-DD when used at 88.2 sample rates-correct?
>
> Unless I'm completely misunderstanding the SMUX protocol, what
> you would want to do for the portion anbove is to use channels
> 1 through 4 and not use 5-8. IOW, in the part where you say:
>
> ***ADI 4-DD I/O 5 & 6 patched into a Mytek Stereo AD/DA units***
>
> Use 3&4 instead of 5&6... follow this pattern all the way
> through the rest of the gear & you should be OK.
>
> Chris, chime in - this is correct, yes?
>
> Deej, if you're not cure, you can always hook up ONE unit using
> 1&2 and 5&6, then flip over to 88.2k & see if 5&6 now show up
> on 3&4... I'm 99.9997% certain that's not the way it works,
> however.
>
> Neil
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| Re: S/MUX (ADAT doublewire) question [message #90819 is a reply to message #90810] |
Sat, 29 September 2007 22:13 |
JeffH
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DJ wrote:
> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> news:46fecf15@linux...
>
>>Hi DJ,
>>Neil is correct in the way he describes it.
>>Also it will be more flexible if you have the MADI card be master if you
>>are going to be switching sample rates allot.
>>Did you ever find out if the used ADI-648 you got is a recent enough one
>>to have the MIDI Remote support?
>>It makes configuring the front panel very easy if the unit is not in
>>arms/visual reach.
>>Also don't forget that MADI's I/O is also cut in half at 88.2/96k like
>>ADAT. So 32 channels instead of 64.
>>
>>Chris
>
>
> I'm getting ready to wire up a lot of RME hardware. I'm configuring two DAWs
> Master/Slave, both running Cubase 4. In my Master DAW, I've got an AES
> 32/BOB, a MADI card, an ADI 648, an ADI4-DD, 2 x ADI 8-DD's and 2 x ADI 8-DS
> units. In the slave DAW I'm running a Multiface PCI.
>
> 4 x stereo channels of the AES 32 will be interfacing with the ADI 8-DD
> units and the AES I/O of 4 x outboard reverb/multiFX processors which will
> down/upsampled for use as send/FX in Cubase by using the ADI 8-DD units.
>
> The other 4 x AES 32 channels will be interfacing with converters and
> processors that are 88.2KHz capable.
>
> As for the MADI/ADI 648, what I would like to accomplish is this:
>
> ADAT 1 I/O patched to the ADI 4-DD
> Channel 1 & 2 input of the ADI 4-DD receiving the S/PDIF output from the
> Multiface slave unit
> Channel 1 & 2 output of the ADI 4-Dd unit sending the stereo output of the
> DAW to a Benchmark DAC-1
>
> ADI 4-DD I/O 3 & 4 not used because they will be combined with Channels 1 &
> 2 of the ADI 4-DD when used at 88.2 sample rates-correct?
>
> ADI 4-DD I/O 5 & 6 patched into a Mytek Stereo AD/DA units
>
> ADI 4-DD I/O 7 & 8 not used because they will be combined with Channels 5 &
> 6 of the ADI 4-DD when used at 88.2 sample rates-correct?
>
> ADAT 2 I/O patched to the ADAT I/O of the Multiface Slave, which when
> running both DAWs at 88.2KHz.
>
> I just want to be sure that, when configured in this manner and using 88.2
> sample rates on the master and slave DAWS, the various devices would show up
> in Totalmix and Cubase VST I/O as follows:
>
> HDSP MADI 1 I/O would be left channel of ADI 4-DD channel 1 & 2 which are
> interfacing with the Slave DAW output L and the Benchmark DAC-1 input L
> HDSP MADI 2 I/O would be right channel of ADI 4-DD channel 1 & 2 which are
> interfacing with the Slave DAW output R and the Benchmark DAC-1 input R
>
> HDSP MADI 3 I/O would be left channel of ADI 4-DD channel 5 & 6 which are
> interfacing with the Mytek Stereo 96 AD/DA L
> HDSP MADI 4 I/O would be right channel of ADI 4-DD channel 5 & 6 which are
> interfacing with the Mytek Stereo 96 AD/DA R
>
> HDSP MADI 5 I/O would be left channel signal from Multiface ADAT I/O 1 & 2
> on slave DAW
> HDSP MADI 6 I/O would be right channel signal from Multiface ADAT I/O 1 & 2
> on slave DAW
>
> HDSP MADI 7 I/O would be left channel signal from Multiface ADAT I/O 3 & 4
> on slave DAW
> HDSP MADI 8 I/O would be right channel signal from Multiface ADAT I/O 3 & 4
> on slave DAW
>
>
> .......or, does ADAT 2 I/O just disappear when switching to 88.2KHz?
>
> I don't want to spend a whole day getting this wired in and suddenly have
> signals from the left channel routed to/from one hardware device and signals
> on the right channel routed to/from another hardware device.
>
>
Deej,
What's the purpose of the second DAW? If you're passing audio back and
forth for processing, this might be a great scenario for Wormmhole.
Pass the audio ethernet and use the ADAT sync on the multiface for
synching the two.
Just a thought,
Jeff
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| Re: S/MUX (ADAT doublewire) question [message #90822 is a reply to message #90819] |
Sat, 29 September 2007 23:16 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
Registered: July 2005
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where are you now BTW?
"Jeff Hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message news:46ff3218@linux...
> DJ wrote:
>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>> news:46fecf15@linux...
>>
>>>Hi DJ,
>>>Neil is correct in the way he describes it.
>>>Also it will be more flexible if you have the MADI card be master if you
>>>are going to be switching sample rates allot.
>>>Did you ever find out if the used ADI-648 you got is a recent enough one
>>>to have the MIDI Remote support?
>>>It makes configuring the front panel very easy if the unit is not in
>>>arms/visual reach.
>>>Also don't forget that MADI's I/O is also cut in half at 88.2/96k like
>>>ADAT. So 32 channels instead of 64.
>>>
>>>Chris
>>
>>
>> I'm getting ready to wire up a lot of RME hardware. I'm configuring two
>> DAWs Master/Slave, both running Cubase 4. In my Master DAW, I've got an
>> AES 32/BOB, a MADI card, an ADI 648, an ADI4-DD, 2 x ADI 8-DD's and 2 x
>> ADI 8-DS units. In the slave DAW I'm running a Multiface PCI.
>>
>> 4 x stereo channels of the AES 32 will be interfacing with the ADI 8-DD
>> units and the AES I/O of 4 x outboard reverb/multiFX processors which
>> will down/upsampled for use as send/FX in Cubase by using the ADI 8-DD
>> units.
>>
>> The other 4 x AES 32 channels will be interfacing with converters and
>> processors that are 88.2KHz capable.
>>
>> As for the MADI/ADI 648, what I would like to accomplish is this:
>>
>> ADAT 1 I/O patched to the ADI 4-DD
>> Channel 1 & 2 input of the ADI 4-DD receiving the S/PDIF output from the
>> Multiface slave unit
>> Channel 1 & 2 output of the ADI 4-Dd unit sending the stereo output of
>> the DAW to a Benchmark DAC-1
>>
>> ADI 4-DD I/O 3 & 4 not used because they will be combined with Channels 1
>> & 2 of the ADI 4-DD when used at 88.2 sample rates-correct?
>>
>> ADI 4-DD I/O 5 & 6 patched into a Mytek Stereo AD/DA units
>>
>> ADI 4-DD I/O 7 & 8 not used because they will be combined with Channels 5
>> & 6 of the ADI 4-DD when used at 88.2 sample rates-correct?
>>
>> ADAT 2 I/O patched to the ADAT I/O of the Multiface Slave, which when
>> running both DAWs at 88.2KHz.
>>
>> I just want to be sure that, when configured in this manner and using
>> 88.2 sample rates on the master and slave DAWS, the various devices would
>> show up in Totalmix and Cubase VST I/O as follows:
>>
>> HDSP MADI 1 I/O would be left channel of ADI 4-DD channel 1 & 2 which are
>> interfacing with the Slave DAW output L and the Benchmark DAC-1 input L
>> HDSP MADI 2 I/O would be right channel of ADI 4-DD channel 1 & 2 which
>> are interfacing with the Slave DAW output R and the Benchmark DAC-1 input
>> R
>>
>> HDSP MADI 3 I/O would be left channel of ADI 4-DD channel 5 & 6 which are
>> interfacing with the Mytek Stereo 96 AD/DA L
>> HDSP MADI 4 I/O would be right channel of ADI 4-DD channel 5 & 6 which
>> are interfacing with the Mytek Stereo 96 AD/DA R
>>
>> HDSP MADI 5 I/O would be left channel signal from Multiface ADAT I/O 1 &
>> 2 on slave DAW
>> HDSP MADI 6 I/O would be right channel signal from Multiface ADAT I/O 1 &
>> 2 on slave DAW
>>
>> HDSP MADI 7 I/O would be left channel signal from Multiface ADAT I/O 3 &
>> 4 on slave DAW
>> HDSP MADI 8 I/O would be right channel signal from Multiface ADAT I/O 3 &
>> 4 on slave DAW
>>
>>
>> .......or, does ADAT 2 I/O just disappear when switching to 88.2KHz?
>>
>> I don't want to spend a whole day getting this wired in and suddenly have
>> signals from the left channel routed to/from one hardware device and
>> signals on the right channel routed to/from another hardware device.
>>
>>
> Deej,
>
> What's the purpose of the second DAW? If you're passing audio back and
> forth for processing, this might be a great scenario for Wormmhole. Pass
> the audio ethernet and use the ADAT sync on the multiface for synching the
> two.
>
> Just a thought,
>
> Jeff
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| Re: S/MUX (ADAT doublewire) question [message #90842 is a reply to message #90822] |
Sun, 30 September 2007 20:30 |
JeffH
Messages: 307
Registered: October 2007
Location: Wamic, OR
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Senior Member |
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DJ wrote:
> where are you now BTW?
>
Just arrived in Dallas about an hour ago.
Jeff
>
> "Jeff Hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message news:46ff3218@linux...
>
>>DJ wrote:
>>
>>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>news:46fecf15@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi DJ,
>>>>Neil is correct in the way he describes it.
>>>>Also it will be more flexible if you have the MADI card be master if you
>>>>are going to be switching sample rates allot.
>>>>Did you ever find out if the used ADI-648 you got is a recent enough one
>>>>to have the MIDI Remote support?
>>>>It makes configuring the front panel very easy if the unit is not in
>>>>arms/visual reach.
>>>>Also don't forget that MADI's I/O is also cut in half at 88.2/96k like
>>>>ADAT. So 32 channels instead of 64.
>>>>
>>>>Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm getting ready to wire up a lot of RME hardware. I'm configuring two
>>>DAWs Master/Slave, both running Cubase 4. In my Master DAW, I've got an
>>>AES 32/BOB, a MADI card, an ADI 648, an ADI4-DD, 2 x ADI 8-DD's and 2 x
>>>ADI 8-DS units. In the slave DAW I'm running a Multiface PCI.
>>>
>>>4 x stereo channels of the AES 32 will be interfacing with the ADI 8-DD
>>>units and the AES I/O of 4 x outboard reverb/multiFX processors which
>>>will down/upsampled for use as send/FX in Cubase by using the ADI 8-DD
>>>units.
>>>
>>>The other 4 x AES 32 channels will be interfacing with converters and
>>>processors that are 88.2KHz capable.
>>>
>>>As for the MADI/ADI 648, what I would like to accomplish is this:
>>>
>>>ADAT 1 I/O patched to the ADI 4-DD
>>>Channel 1 & 2 input of the ADI 4-DD receiving the S/PDIF output from the
>>>Multiface slave unit
>>>Channel 1 & 2 output of the ADI 4-Dd unit sending the stereo output of
>>>the DAW to a Benchmark DAC-1
>>>
>>>ADI 4-DD I/O 3 & 4 not used because they will be combined with Channels 1
>>>& 2 of the ADI 4-DD when used at 88.2 sample rates-correct?
>>>
>>>ADI 4-DD I/O 5 & 6 patched into a Mytek Stereo AD/DA units
>>>
>>>ADI 4-DD I/O 7 & 8 not used because they will be combined with Channels 5
>>>& 6 of the ADI 4-DD when used at 88.2 sample rates-correct?
>>>
>>>ADAT 2 I/O patched to the ADAT I/O of the Multiface Slave, which when
>>>running both DAWs at 88.2KHz.
>>>
>>>I just want to be sure that, when configured in this manner and using
>>>88.2 sample rates on the master and slave DAWS, the various devices would
>>>show up in Totalmix and Cubase VST I/O as follows:
>>>
>>>HDSP MADI 1 I/O would be left channel of ADI 4-DD channel 1 & 2 which are
>>>interfacing with the Slave DAW output L and the Benchmark DAC-1 input L
>>>HDSP MADI 2 I/O would be right channel of ADI 4-DD channel 1 & 2 which
>>>are interfacing with the Slave DAW output R and the Benchmark DAC-1 input
>>>R
>>>
>>>HDSP MADI 3 I/O would be left channel of ADI 4-DD channel 5 & 6 which are
>>>interfacing with the Mytek Stereo 96 AD/DA L
>>>HDSP MADI 4 I/O would be right channel of ADI 4-DD channel 5 & 6 which
>>>are interfacing with the Mytek Stereo 96 AD/DA R
>>>
>>>HDSP MADI 5 I/O would be left channel signal from Multiface ADAT I/O 1 &
>>>2 on slave DAW
>>>HDSP MADI 6 I/O would be right channel signal from Multiface ADAT I/O 1 &
>>>2 on slave DAW
>>>
>>>HDSP MADI 7 I/O would be left channel signal from Multiface ADAT I/O 3 &
>>>4 on slave DAW
>>>HDSP MADI 8 I/O would be right channel signal from Multiface ADAT I/O 3 &
>>>4 on slave DAW
>>>
>>>
>>>.......or, does ADAT 2 I/O just disappear when switching to 88.2KHz?
>>>
>>>I don't want to spend a whole day getting this wired in and suddenly have
>>>signals from the left channel routed to/from one hardware device and
>>>signals on the right channel routed to/from another hardware device.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Deej,
>>
>>What's the purpose of the second DAW? If you're passing audio back and
>>forth for processing, this might be a great scenario for Wormmhole. Pass
>>the audio ethernet and use the ADAT sync on the multiface for synching the
>>two.
>>
>>Just a thought,
>>
>>Jeff
>
>
>
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| Re: S/MUX (ADAT doublewire) question [message #90848 is a reply to message #90842] |
Sun, 30 September 2007 22:18 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
Registered: July 2005
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Senior Member |
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.....sooo....by now you're in Austin if you didn't stop.
Long drive amigo. Things are coming together here finally. I'll be ready to
go when you head back this way.
Deej
"Jeff Hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message news:47006b6b@linux...
> DJ wrote:
>> where are you now BTW?
>>
>
> Just arrived in Dallas about an hour ago.
>
> Jeff
>>
>> "Jeff Hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message
>> news:46ff3218@linux...
>>
>>>DJ wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:46fecf15@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi DJ,
>>>>>Neil is correct in the way he describes it.
>>>>>Also it will be more flexible if you have the MADI card be master if
>>>>>you are going to be switching sample rates allot.
>>>>>Did you ever find out if the used ADI-648 you got is a recent enough
>>>>>one to have the MIDI Remote support?
>>>>>It makes configuring the front panel very easy if the unit is not in
>>>>>arms/visual reach.
>>>>>Also don't forget that MADI's I/O is also cut in half at 88.2/96k like
>>>>>ADAT. So 32 channels instead of 64.
>>>>>
>>>>>Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I'm getting ready to wire up a lot of RME hardware. I'm configuring two
>>>>DAWs Master/Slave, both running Cubase 4. In my Master DAW, I've got an
>>>>AES 32/BOB, a MADI card, an ADI 648, an ADI4-DD, 2 x ADI 8-DD's and 2 x
>>>>ADI 8-DS units. In the slave DAW I'm running a Multiface PCI.
>>>>
>>>>4 x stereo channels of the AES 32 will be interfacing with the ADI 8-DD
>>>>units and the AES I/O of 4 x outboard reverb/multiFX processors which
>>>>will down/upsampled for use as send/FX in Cubase by using the ADI 8-DD
>>>>units.
>>>>
>>>>The other 4 x AES 32 channels will be interfacing with converters and
>>>>processors that are 88.2KHz capable.
>>>>
>>>>As for the MADI/ADI 648, what I would like to accomplish is this:
>>>>
>>>>ADAT 1 I/O patched to the ADI 4-DD
>>>>Channel 1 & 2 input of the ADI 4-DD receiving the S/PDIF output from the
>>>>Multiface slave unit
>>>>Channel 1 & 2 output of the ADI 4-Dd unit sending the stereo output of
>>>>the DAW to a Benchmark DAC-1
>>>>
>>>>ADI 4-DD I/O 3 & 4 not used because they will be combined with Channels
>>>>1 & 2 of the ADI 4-DD when used at 88.2 sample rates-correct?
>>>>
>>>>ADI 4-DD I/O 5 & 6 patched into a Mytek Stereo AD/DA units
>>>>
>>>>ADI 4-DD I/O 7 & 8 not used because they will be combined with Channels
>>>>5 & 6 of the ADI 4-DD when used at 88.2 sample rates-correct?
>>>>
>>>>ADAT 2 I/O patched to the ADAT I/O of the Multiface Slave, which when
>>>>running both DAWs at 88.2KHz.
>>>>
>>>>I just want to be sure that, when configured in this manner and using
>>>>88.2 sample rates on the master and slave DAWS, the various devices
>>>>would show up in Totalmix and Cubase VST I/O as follows:
>>>>
>>>>HDSP MADI 1 I/O would be left channel of ADI 4-DD channel 1 & 2 which
>>>>are interfacing with the Slave DAW output L and the Benchmark DAC-1
>>>>input L
>>>>HDSP MADI 2 I/O would be right channel of ADI 4-DD channel 1 & 2 which
>>>>are interfacing with the Slave DAW output R and the Benchmark DAC-1
>>>>input R
>>>>
>>>>HDSP MADI 3 I/O would be left channel of ADI 4-DD channel 5 & 6 which
>>>>are interfacing with the Mytek Stereo 96 AD/DA L
>>>>HDSP MADI 4 I/O would be right channel of ADI 4-DD channel 5 & 6 which
>>>>are interfacing with the Mytek Stereo 96 AD/DA R
>>>>
>>>>HDSP MADI 5 I/O would be left channel signal from Multiface ADAT I/O 1 &
>>>>2 on slave DAW
>>>>HDSP MADI 6 I/O would be right channel signal from Multiface ADAT I/O 1
>>>>& 2 on slave DAW
>>>>
>>>>HDSP MADI 7 I/O would be left channel signal from Multiface ADAT I/O 3 &
>>>>4 on slave DAW
>>>>HDSP MADI 8 I/O would be right channel signal from Multiface ADAT I/O 3
>>>>& 4 on slave DAW
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>.......or, does ADAT 2 I/O just disappear when switching to 88.2KHz?
>>>>
>>>>I don't want to spend a whole day getting this wired in and suddenly
>>>>have signals from the left channel routed to/from one hardware device
>>>>and signals on the right channel routed to/from another hardware device.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Deej,
>>>
>>>What's the purpose of the second DAW? If you're passing audio back and
>>>forth for processing, this might be a great scenario for Wormmhole. Pass
>>>the audio ethernet and use the ADAT sync on the multiface for synching
>>>the two.
>>>
>>>Just a thought,
>>>
>>>Jeff
>>
>>
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| Re: S/MUX (ADAT doublewire) question [message #90872 is a reply to message #90848] |
Mon, 01 October 2007 10:54 |
JeffH
Messages: 307
Registered: October 2007
Location: Wamic, OR
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DJ wrote:
> ....sooo....by now you're in Austin if you didn't stop.
>
Actually the fam is staying over in dallas for about a week. I'm flying
back to PDX for a server install this weekend, then back next week to
continue down to Austin. ONce I have an idea of the schedule there,
I'll call and see what yours is looking like.
Jeff
> Long drive amigo. Things are coming together here finally. I'll be ready to
> go when you head back this way.
>
> Deej
>
> "Jeff Hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message news:47006b6b@linux...
>
>>DJ wrote:
>>
>>>where are you now BTW?
>>>
>>
>>Just arrived in Dallas about an hour ago.
>>
>>Jeff
>>
>>>"Jeff Hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message
>>>news:46ff3218@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>>>DJ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:46fecf15@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi DJ,
>>>>>>Neil is correct in the way he describes it.
>>>>>>Also it will be more flexible if you have the MADI card be master if
>>>>>>you are going to be switching sample rates allot.
>>>>>>Did you ever find out if the used ADI-648 you got is a recent enough
>>>>>>one to have the MIDI Remote support?
>>>>>>It makes configuring the front panel very easy if the unit is not in
>>>>>>arms/visual reach.
>>>>>>Also don't forget that MADI's I/O is also cut in half at 88.2/96k like
>>>>>>ADAT. So 32 channels instead of 64.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm getting ready to wire up a lot of RME hardware. I'm configuring two
>>>>>DAWs Master/Slave, both running Cubase 4. In my Master DAW, I've got an
>>>>>AES 32/BOB, a MADI card, an ADI 648, an ADI4-DD, 2 x ADI 8-DD's and 2 x
>>>>>ADI 8-DS units. In the slave DAW I'm running a Multiface PCI.
>>>>>
>>>>>4 x stereo channels of the AES 32 will be interfacing with the ADI 8-DD
>>>>>units and the AES I/O of 4 x outboard reverb/multiFX processors which
>>>>>will down/upsampled for use as send/FX in Cubase by using the ADI 8-DD
>>>>>units.
>>>>>
>>>>>The other 4 x AES 32 channels will be interfacing with converters and
>>>>>processors that are 88.2KHz capable.
>>>>>
>>>>>As for the MADI/ADI 648, what I would like to accomplish is this:
>>>>>
>>>>>ADAT 1 I/O patched to the ADI 4-DD
>>>>>Channel 1 & 2 input of the ADI 4-DD receiving the S/PDIF output from the
>>>>>Multiface slave unit
>>>>>Channel 1 & 2 output of the ADI 4-Dd unit sending the stereo output of
>>>>>the DAW to a Benchmark DAC-1
>>>>>
>>>>>ADI 4-DD I/O 3 & 4 not used because they will be combined with Channels
>>>>>1 & 2 of the ADI 4-DD when used at 88.2 sample rates-correct?
>>>>>
>>>>>ADI 4-DD I/O 5 & 6 patched into a Mytek Stereo AD/DA units
>>>>>
>>>>>ADI 4-DD I/O 7 & 8 not used because they will be combined with Channels
>>>>>5 & 6 of the ADI 4-DD when used at 88.2 sample rates-correct?
>>>>>
>>>>>ADAT 2 I/O patched to the ADAT I/O of the Multiface Slave, which when
>>>>>running both DAWs at 88.2KHz.
>>>>>
>>>>>I just want to be sure that, when configured in this manner and using
>>>>>88.2 sample rates on the master and slave DAWS, the various devices
>>>>>would show up in Totalmix and Cubase VST I/O as follows:
>>>>>
>>>>>HDSP MADI 1 I/O would be left channel of ADI 4-DD channel 1 & 2 which
>>>>>are interfacing with the Slave DAW output L and the Benchmark DAC-1
>>>>>input L
>>>>>HDSP MADI 2 I/O would be right channel of ADI 4-DD channel 1 & 2 which
>>>>>are interfacing with the Slave DAW output R and the Benchmark DAC-1
>>>>>input R
>>>>>
>>>>>HDSP MADI 3 I/O would be left channel of ADI 4-DD channel 5 & 6 which
>>>>>are interfacing with the Mytek Stereo 96 AD/DA L
>>>>>HDSP MADI 4 I/O would be right channel of ADI 4-DD channel 5 & 6 which
>>>>>are interfacing with the Mytek Stereo 96 AD/DA R
>>>>>
>>>>>HDSP MADI 5 I/O would be left channel signal from Multiface ADAT I/O 1 &
>>>>>2 on slave DAW
>>>>>HDSP MADI 6 I/O would be right channel signal from Multiface ADAT I/O 1
>>>>>& 2 on slave DAW
>>>>>
>>>>>HDSP MADI 7 I/O would be left channel signal from Multiface ADAT I/O 3 &
>>>>>4 on slave DAW
>>>>>HDSP MADI 8 I/O would be right channel signal from Multiface ADAT I/O 3
>>>>>& 4 on slave DAW
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>.......or, does ADAT 2 I/O just disappear when switching to 88.2KHz?
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't want to spend a whole day getting this wired in and suddenly
>>>>>have signals from the left channel routed to/from one hardware device
>>>>>and signals on the right channel routed to/from another hardware device.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Deej,
>>>>
>>>>What's the purpose of the second DAW? If you're passing audio back and
>>>>forth for processing, this might be a great scenario for Wormmhole. Pass
>>>>the audio ethernet and use the ADAT sync on the multiface for synching
>>>>the two.
>>>>
>>>>Just a thought,
>>>>
>>>>Jeff
>>>
>>>
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