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| Re: Any of youfolks" do punk? [message #92884 is a reply to message #92873] |
Mon, 19 November 2007 19:06   |
Cujjo
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I do some "classic" punk, sort of in the 1977-79 mode...
Can't hear the tune, but, great punk is not all screaming, Joey Ramone was
a singer emulating Ronnie Spector!..I used a lawson L47 before. My 2247 seems
a bit too thick for "Punk"
Been digging a 421 as well, sometimes using the filter
I like the first CD of a Girl group called Sahara Hotnights...Check that
one out.
"Neil" <OIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>Link ain't working for me, either.
>
>So it's "Chick-Punk", huh? I'd try that C-1 if you still have
>it, but run it through your 737 to warm it up & take some of
>the edge off (hit it with the compressor, too)... on a female
>voice that combination it might give you just the right amount
>of rasp for that genre.
>
>
>Neil
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>"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>I'm getting ready to do some vocal OD's on a punk project I tracked here.
>
>>I've done a few rock'esque and pop mixes but mostly I've been dealing with
>
>>acoustic instruments these days. Here's a very rough mix with the singer
>
>>playing/singing in the same room with the drums. I had her guitar (panned
>
>>right if facing stage) mic'ed up in an isolation cabinet and she was singing
>
>>into an old '58 over the (very loud) kit. I'm sure it was hard for her
to
>
>>even hear herself in the cans but given the circumstances, I think she
did
>a
>>good job. Not sure what kind of mic I'm going to use for her voice on the
>
>>dubs and what freq's I'm going to massage on the guitars to get more
>>separation so that they will sound balancd and sit in the mix. This is
a
>fun
>>project but a very "brown sound"......something I'm not accustomed to
>>working with. I'm going to have to tune my antennae in a different way
for
>
>>this one. I've already had one suggestion about cutting the rythym guitar
>
>>freqs between 1-4k which I am going to try. I was kinda' fried last night
>
>>when I bounced this down. This morning it sounds a bit heavy on the right
>
>>channel. Any suggestions would be welcome.
>>
>>http://www.mediafire.com/?7yin02vmcb0
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>>
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| Re: Any of youfolks" do punk? [message #92945 is a reply to message #92932] |
Tue, 20 November 2007 23:34 |
Miguel Vigil [1]
Messages: 258
Registered: July 2005
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Isn't that just a myth? (I guess you're talking about Sex Pistols - Never
Mind The Bollocks). I saw a TV-documentary of that recording, and mr. Lydon
didn't use a SM 58 in that footage.
Another myth is that they recorded hundreds of tracks to make Steve Jones'
great guitar sound. That's wrong, he had already found "his" sound, with a
combination of guitar, amp, distortion and chorus. They just recorded one
guitar-track, copied it to another track and panned opposite. The guitar is
simply in dual mono. Then a track or two with fills, and that's it.
And they didn't have a bass-player at the time, Steve Jones had to play that
too. It's played exactly as the guitar, only one octave lower. The sound,
the power and the mix on that record is incredible. "We mean it maaan!"
(Vinyl version that is, they took away some of the magic when they mastered
the CD-version).
Bjorn R
"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message news:47439f8e$1@linux...
>
>
> ha ha I have rune vocals out into my practice PA and re amped them!
> But really, the greatest punk band of all times (and one of the greatest
> rock bands) recorded their greatest record's vocals through a 58 beacuse
> the singer's teeth we so fucked
>
>
> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
> >Hi David,
> >Yes to make it more punk you need to plug in the sm57 into a peavey tnt
>
> >bass amp then crank it and put another sm57 close miced at the cone.
> >That sm57 then need to go to a Tascam 424 the out to a mackie mixer then
>
> >to DJs rig.
> >
> >
> >Chris
> >
> >
> >EK Sound wrote:
> >> For vocals, either a 421 or an SM7...
> >>
> >> David.
> >>
> >> DJ wrote:
> >>> I'm getting ready to do some vocal OD's on a punk project I tracked
> >>> here. I've done a few rock'esque and pop mixes but mostly I've been
> >>> dealing with acoustic instruments these days. Here's a very rough mix
>
> >>> with the singer playing/singing in the same room with the drums. I had
>
> >>> her guitar (panned right if facing stage) mic'ed up in an isolation
> >>> cabinet and she was singing into an old '58 over the (very loud) kit.
>
> >>> I'm sure it was hard for her to even hear herself in the cans but
> >>> given the circumstances, I think she did a good job. Not sure what
> >>> kind of mic I'm going to use for her voice on the dubs and what freq's
>
> >>> I'm going to massage on the guitars to get more separation so that
> >>> they will sound balancd and sit in the mix. This is a fun project but
>
> >>> a very "brown sound"......something I'm not accustomed to working
> >>> with. I'm going to have to tune my antennae in a different way for
> >>> this one. I've already had one suggestion about cutting the rythym
> >>> guitar freqs between 1-4k which I am going to try. I was kinda' fried
>
> >>> last night when I bounced this down. This morning it sounds a bit
> >>> heavy on the right channel. Any suggestions would be welcome.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.mediafire.com/?7yin02vmcb0
> >>>
> >
> >--
> >Chris Ludwig
> >
> >ADK Pro Audio
> >(859) 635-5762
> >www.adkproaudio.com
> >chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>
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| Re: Any of youfolks" do punk? [message #92948 is a reply to message #92945] |
Wed, 21 November 2007 07:37 |
Cujjo
Messages: 325
Registered: June 2007
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Heheheheh..No I refer to Mr Strummer and the album London Calling..Much more
monumental than Bollocks... I listen to LC at least every week..have not
listened to the Pistols for 20 years!
I've seen pics of Lydon with an 87 or something.
The Clash were an amazing band... Listen to Bankrobber, Clampdown, Police
On My Back, Pressure Drops, Magnificent Seven..man..great shit. Good at covers
too.
Anyway there is a good piece on the recording of LC at mixonline. By the
way..very well recorded in my opinion. Not screamy trash at all.
I think I hear phasor on Steve Jones during Anarchy For The Uk.
"BR" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>Isn't that just a myth? (I guess you're talking about Sex Pistols - Never
>Mind The Bollocks). I saw a TV-documentary of that recording, and mr. Lydon
>didn't use a SM 58 in that footage.
>Another myth is that they recorded hundreds of tracks to make Steve Jones'
>great guitar sound. That's wrong, he had already found "his" sound, with
a
>combination of guitar, amp, distortion and chorus. They just recorded one
>guitar-track, copied it to another track and panned opposite. The guitar
is
>simply in dual mono. Then a track or two with fills, and that's it.
>And they didn't have a bass-player at the time, Steve Jones had to play
that
>too. It's played exactly as the guitar, only one octave lower. The sound,
>the power and the mix on that record is incredible. "We mean it maaan!"
>(Vinyl version that is, they took away some of the magic when they mastered
>the CD-version).
>
>Bjorn R
>
>
>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message news:47439f8e$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> ha ha I have rune vocals out into my practice PA and re amped them!
>> But really, the greatest punk band of all times (and one of the greatest
>> rock bands) recorded their greatest record's vocals through a 58 beacuse
>> the singer's teeth we so fucked
>>
>>
>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>> >Hi David,
>> >Yes to make it more punk you need to plug in the sm57 into a peavey tnt
>>
>> >bass amp then crank it and put another sm57 close miced at the cone.
>> >That sm57 then need to go to a Tascam 424 the out to a mackie mixer then
>>
>> >to DJs rig.
>> >
>> >
>> >Chris
>> >
>> >
>> >EK Sound wrote:
>> >> For vocals, either a 421 or an SM7...
>> >>
>> >> David.
>> >>
>> >> DJ wrote:
>> >>> I'm getting ready to do some vocal OD's on a punk project I tracked
>> >>> here. I've done a few rock'esque and pop mixes but mostly I've been
>> >>> dealing with acoustic instruments these days. Here's a very rough
mix
>>
>> >>> with the singer playing/singing in the same room with the drums. I
had
>>
>> >>> her guitar (panned right if facing stage) mic'ed up in an isolation
>> >>> cabinet and she was singing into an old '58 over the (very loud) kit.
>>
>> >>> I'm sure it was hard for her to even hear herself in the cans but
>> >>> given the circumstances, I think she did a good job. Not sure what
>> >>> kind of mic I'm going to use for her voice on the dubs and what freq's
>>
>> >>> I'm going to massage on the guitars to get more separation so that
>> >>> they will sound balancd and sit in the mix. This is a fun project
but
>>
>> >>> a very "brown sound"......something I'm not accustomed to working
>> >>> with. I'm going to have to tune my antennae in a different way for
>> >>> this one. I've already had one suggestion about cutting the rythym
>> >>> guitar freqs between 1-4k which I am going to try. I was kinda' fried
>>
>> >>> last night when I bounced this down. This morning it sounds a bit
>> >>> heavy on the right channel. Any suggestions would be welcome.
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.mediafire.com/?7yin02vmcb0
>> >>>
>> >
>> >--
>> >Chris Ludwig
>> >
>> >ADK Pro Audio
>> >(859) 635-5762
>> >www.adkproaudio.com
>> >chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>
>
>
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| Re: Any of youfolks" do punk? [message #92949 is a reply to message #92948] |
Wed, 21 November 2007 07:19 |
Miguel Vigil [1]
Messages: 258
Registered: July 2005
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Senior Member |
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What, two british punk-singers with bad teeth? :-)
Got London Calling, I saw the Clash when they were touring for the album. I
love it, but I don't think of it as punk, more as classic rock'n roll. (And
that's fine with me :-)
I used Pistols "EMI" as refererence on a punk-tune I mixed. Amazing things
going on there.
Bjorn R
"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message news:474442a8$1@linux...
>
>
> Heheheheh..No I refer to Mr Strummer and the album London Calling..Much
more
> monumental than Bollocks... I listen to LC at least every week..have not
> listened to the Pistols for 20 years!
> I've seen pics of Lydon with an 87 or something.
>
> The Clash were an amazing band... Listen to Bankrobber, Clampdown, Police
> On My Back, Pressure Drops, Magnificent Seven..man..great shit. Good at
covers
> too.
>
> Anyway there is a good piece on the recording of LC at mixonline. By the
> way..very well recorded in my opinion. Not screamy trash at all.
>
> I think I hear phasor on Steve Jones during Anarchy For The Uk.
>
>
> "BR" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> >Isn't that just a myth? (I guess you're talking about Sex Pistols - Never
> >Mind The Bollocks). I saw a TV-documentary of that recording, and mr.
Lydon
> >didn't use a SM 58 in that footage.
> >Another myth is that they recorded hundreds of tracks to make Steve
Jones'
> >great guitar sound. That's wrong, he had already found "his" sound, with
> a
> >combination of guitar, amp, distortion and chorus. They just recorded one
> >guitar-track, copied it to another track and panned opposite. The guitar
> is
> >simply in dual mono. Then a track or two with fills, and that's it.
> >And they didn't have a bass-player at the time, Steve Jones had to play
> that
> >too. It's played exactly as the guitar, only one octave lower. The sound,
> >the power and the mix on that record is incredible. "We mean it maaan!"
> >(Vinyl version that is, they took away some of the magic when they
mastered
> >the CD-version).
> >
> >Bjorn R
> >
> >
> >"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
news:47439f8e$1@linux...
> >>
> >>
> >> ha ha I have rune vocals out into my practice PA and re amped them!
> >> But really, the greatest punk band of all times (and one of the
greatest
> >> rock bands) recorded their greatest record's vocals through a 58
beacuse
> >> the singer's teeth we so fucked
> >>
> >>
> >> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
> >> >Hi David,
> >> >Yes to make it more punk you need to plug in the sm57 into a peavey
tnt
> >>
> >> >bass amp then crank it and put another sm57 close miced at the cone.
> >> >That sm57 then need to go to a Tascam 424 the out to a mackie mixer
then
> >>
> >> >to DJs rig.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Chris
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >EK Sound wrote:
> >> >> For vocals, either a 421 or an SM7...
> >> >>
> >> >> David.
> >> >>
> >> >> DJ wrote:
> >> >>> I'm getting ready to do some vocal OD's on a punk project I tracked
> >> >>> here. I've done a few rock'esque and pop mixes but mostly I've been
> >> >>> dealing with acoustic instruments these days. Here's a very rough
> mix
> >>
> >> >>> with the singer playing/singing in the same room with the drums. I
> had
> >>
> >> >>> her guitar (panned right if facing stage) mic'ed up in an isolation
> >> >>> cabinet and she was singing into an old '58 over the (very loud)
kit.
> >>
> >> >>> I'm sure it was hard for her to even hear herself in the cans but
> >> >>> given the circumstances, I think she did a good job. Not sure what
> >> >>> kind of mic I'm going to use for her voice on the dubs and what
freq's
> >>
> >> >>> I'm going to massage on the guitars to get more separation so that
> >> >>> they will sound balancd and sit in the mix. This is a fun project
> but
> >>
> >> >>> a very "brown sound"......something I'm not accustomed to working
> >> >>> with. I'm going to have to tune my antennae in a different way for
> >> >>> this one. I've already had one suggestion about cutting the rythym
> >> >>> guitar freqs between 1-4k which I am going to try. I was kinda'
fried
> >>
> >> >>> last night when I bounced this down. This morning it sounds a bit
> >> >>> heavy on the right channel. Any suggestions would be welcome.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> http://www.mediafire.com/?7yin02vmcb0
> >> >>>
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >Chris Ludwig
> >> >
> >> >ADK Pro Audio
> >> >(859) 635-5762
> >> >www.adkproaudio.com
> >> >chrisl@adkproaudio.com
> >>
> >
> >
>
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| Re: Any of youfolks" do punk? [message #92962 is a reply to message #92949] |
Thu, 22 November 2007 00:52 |
Cujjo
Messages: 325
Registered: June 2007
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EMI is about excitement for sure. something like Tommy Gun or Safe European
Home have so much more depth....Another classic and very well recorded album
is The Jam, All Mod Cons...Wow! My wife is a brit and she actually relates
more to The jam than The Clash...English Rose is lovely and so is didn;t
we have a nice time
By the by...a big influence on all these bands was a reggae band callled
Culture..please listen to 2 Sevens Clash Oh and don't forget my band The
Blizzard of 78 collaborated with reggae MC great Mikey Dread on a clash tune...
listen to it on Itunes..He is very sick right now.
"BR" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>What, two british punk-singers with bad teeth? :-)
>Got London Calling, I saw the Clash when they were touring for the album.
I
>love it, but I don't think of it as punk, more as classic rock'n roll. (And
>that's fine with me :-)
>I used Pistols "EMI" as refererence on a punk-tune I mixed. Amazing things
>going on there.
>Bjorn R
>
>
>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message news:474442a8$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> Heheheheh..No I refer to Mr Strummer and the album London Calling..Much
>more
>> monumental than Bollocks... I listen to LC at least every week..have not
>> listened to the Pistols for 20 years!
>> I've seen pics of Lydon with an 87 or something.
>>
>> The Clash were an amazing band... Listen to Bankrobber, Clampdown, Police
>> On My Back, Pressure Drops, Magnificent Seven..man..great shit. Good at
>covers
>> too.
>>
>> Anyway there is a good piece on the recording of LC at mixonline. By the
>> way..very well recorded in my opinion. Not screamy trash at all.
>>
>> I think I hear phasor on Steve Jones during Anarchy For The Uk.
>>
>>
>> "BR" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >Isn't that just a myth? (I guess you're talking about Sex Pistols - Never
>> >Mind The Bollocks). I saw a TV-documentary of that recording, and mr.
>Lydon
>> >didn't use a SM 58 in that footage.
>> >Another myth is that they recorded hundreds of tracks to make Steve
>Jones'
>> >great guitar sound. That's wrong, he had already found "his" sound, with
>> a
>> >combination of guitar, amp, distortion and chorus. They just recorded
one
>> >guitar-track, copied it to another track and panned opposite. The guitar
>> is
>> >simply in dual mono. Then a track or two with fills, and that's it.
>> >And they didn't have a bass-player at the time, Steve Jones had to play
>> that
>> >too. It's played exactly as the guitar, only one octave lower. The sound,
>> >the power and the mix on that record is incredible. "We mean it maaan!"
>> >(Vinyl version that is, they took away some of the magic when they
>mastered
>> >the CD-version).
>> >
>> >Bjorn R
>> >
>> >
>> >"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>news:47439f8e$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ha ha I have rune vocals out into my practice PA and re amped them!
>> >> But really, the greatest punk band of all times (and one of the
>greatest
>> >> rock bands) recorded their greatest record's vocals through a 58
>beacuse
>> >> the singer's teeth we so fucked
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>> >> >Hi David,
>> >> >Yes to make it more punk you need to plug in the sm57 into a peavey
>tnt
>> >>
>> >> >bass amp then crank it and put another sm57 close miced at the cone.
>> >> >That sm57 then need to go to a Tascam 424 the out to a mackie mixer
>then
>> >>
>> >> >to DJs rig.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Chris
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >EK Sound wrote:
>> >> >> For vocals, either a 421 or an SM7...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> David.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> DJ wrote:
>> >> >>> I'm getting ready to do some vocal OD's on a punk project I tracked
>> >> >>> here. I've done a few rock'esque and pop mixes but mostly I've
been
>> >> >>> dealing with acoustic instruments these days. Here's a very rough
>> mix
>> >>
>> >> >>> with the singer playing/singing in the same room with the drums.
I
>> had
>> >>
>> >> >>> her guitar (panned right if facing stage) mic'ed up in an isolation
>> >> >>> cabinet and she was singing into an old '58 over the (very loud)
>kit.
>> >>
>> >> >>> I'm sure it was hard for her to even hear herself in the cans but
>> >> >>> given the circumstances, I think she did a good job. Not sure what
>> >> >>> kind of mic I'm going to use for her voice on the dubs and what
>freq's
>> >>
>> >> >>> I'm going to massage on the guitars to get more separation so that
>> >> >>> they will sound balancd and sit in the mix. This is a fun project
>> but
>> >>
>> >> >>> a very "brown sound"......something I'm not accustomed to working
>> >> >>> with. I'm going to have to tune my antennae in a different way
for
>> >> >>> this one. I've already had one suggestion about cutting the rythym
>> >> >>> guitar freqs between 1-4k which I am going to try. I was kinda'
>fried
>> >>
>> >> >>> last night when I bounced this down. This morning it sounds a bit
>> >> >>> heavy on the right channel. Any suggestions would be welcome.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> http://www.mediafire.com/?7yin02vmcb0
>> >> >>>
>> >> >
>> >> >--
>> >> >Chris Ludwig
>> >> >
>> >> >ADK Pro Audio
>> >> >(859) 635-5762
>> >> >www.adkproaudio.com
>> >> >chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
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