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Compression Format Advice? [message #98274] Sun, 27 April 2008 13:34 Go to next message
Bill L is currently offline  Bill L   UNITED STATES
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I'm compressing a bunch of files for a portable player to be used to
play rhythm trax for gigs. I need to use mp3 because I will need iTunes
to be able to access them. If you have done some testing do you think
256k mp3s are good enough that in a live situation one can't hear much diff?
Re: Compression Format Advice? [message #98281 is a reply to message #98274] Sun, 27 April 2008 17:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Don Nafe is currently offline  Don Nafe   CANADA
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128 will do the job


"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:4814e621@linux...
> I'm compressing a bunch of files for a portable player to be used to play
> rhythm trax for gigs. I need to use mp3 because I will need iTunes to be
> able to access them. If you have done some testing do you think 256k mp3s
> are good enough that in a live situation one can't hear much diff?
Re: Compression Format Advice? [message #98282 is a reply to message #98274] Sun, 27 April 2008 20:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kerryg is currently offline  kerryg   CANADA
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Yep, I've never had the least problem with 128.

- K


On 4/27/08 1:34 PM, in article 4814e621@linux, "Bill L"
<bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:

> I'm compressing a bunch of files for a portable player to be used to
> play rhythm trax for gigs. I need to use mp3 because I will need iTunes
> to be able to access them. If you have done some testing do you think
> 256k mp3s are good enough that in a live situation one can't hear much diff?


"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
Re: Compression Format Advice? [message #98284 is a reply to message #98274] Sun, 27 April 2008 20:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kim is currently offline  Kim
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I agree. To go through a PA, which is usually not the best sound quality,
128k is probably enough. For personal listening I usually use 192 or 256,
but on a PA 128 would do, assuming your encoder is good.

That said there is the occasional audio file with odd phase stuff going on
which doesn't convert well.

Also, if your PA is mono, a mono MP3 at the same bitrate will likely improve
quality.

Cheers,
Kim.

Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>I'm compressing a bunch of files for a portable player to be used to
>play rhythm trax for gigs. I need to use mp3 because I will need iTunes

>to be able to access them. If you have done some testing do you think
>256k mp3s are good enough that in a live situation one can't hear much diff?
Re: Compression Format Advice? [message #98286 is a reply to message #98274] Sun, 27 April 2008 20:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TCB is currently offline  TCB
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256 will sound pretty good. If you can get away from iTunes I think OGG files
sound better and FLAC files are lossless. Both also happen to be free (as
in speech, and as in beer) codecs so my guess is that they'll have legs longer
than MP3.

TCB

Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>I'm compressing a bunch of files for a portable player to be used to
>play rhythm trax for gigs. I need to use mp3 because I will need iTunes

>to be able to access them. If you have done some testing do you think
>256k mp3s are good enough that in a live situation one can't hear much diff?
Re: Compression Format Advice? [message #98287 is a reply to message #98286] Sun, 27 April 2008 21:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tom Bruhl is currently offline  Tom Bruhl   UNITED STATES
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Hi Bill,

I use 192 and up these days for live DJ and my own music minus one =
mixes.
Disk space is too cheap to bother with 128 except for internet =
bottlenecking.

A great freeware program to rip CDs or any wavs from a drive is=20
http://www.audiograbber.com-us.net/download.html
It does .ogg, .wav, .wma, and with external it can use Lame, FLAC
and many others.

With all mp3s and wma s I hear a funky high end thing that is usually
unimportant/unnoticable to my clients at a gig. In the studio it's =
plain=20
as day though.

iTunes would not be my first choice as a DJ player that's for sure.
I use PCDJ but there are others that are equal too or better as I =
understand.
PCDJ rips very nicely too.
http://pcdj.com/blogroll/pcdj-dex/

Tom





"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:481544ee$1@linux...

256 will sound pretty good. If you can get away from iTunes I think =
OGG files
sound better and FLAC files are lossless. Both also happen to be free =
(as
in speech, and as in beer) codecs so my guess is that they'll have =
legs longer
than MP3.=20

TCB

Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>I'm compressing a bunch of files for a portable player to be used to=20
>play rhythm trax for gigs. I need to use mp3 because I will need =
iTunes

>to be able to access them. If you have done some testing do you think =

>256k mp3s are good enough that in a live situation one can't hear =
much diff?



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Bill,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I use 192 and up these days for live DJ =
and my own=20
music minus one mixes.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Disk space is too cheap to bother with =
128 except=20
for internet </FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>bottlenecking.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A great freeware program to rip CDs or =
any=20
wavs&nbsp;from a drive is </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://www.audiograbber.com-us.net/download.html">http://www.audi=
ograbber.com-us.net/download.html</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It does .ogg, .wav, .wma, and with =
external it can=20
use Lame, FLAC</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and many others.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>With all mp3s and wma s I hear a funky =
high end=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>iTunes would not be my first choice as =
a DJ player=20
that's for sure.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I use PCDJ but there are others that =
are equal too=20
or better as I understand.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>PCDJ rips very nicely too.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://pcdj.com/blogroll/pcdj-dex/">http://pcdj.com/blogroll/pcdj=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Re: Compression Format Advice? [message #98294 is a reply to message #98287] Mon, 28 April 2008 05:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bill L is currently offline  Bill L   UNITED STATES
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Thanks all for your advice.

Tom, I would use PCDJ but I am trying to get away from bringing a
computer on gigs so I bought a little Sansa RAM drive player, which I
hope will be robust (no moving drive parts) and which holds 4 gigs. If I
were DJing I would use PCDJ. The guy who started the company is a friend
of mine and a drummer who I sometimes play with.

Tom Bruhl wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>
> I use 192 and up these days for live DJ and my own music minus one mixes.
> Disk space is too cheap to bother with 128 except for internet
> bottlenecking.
>
> A great freeware program to rip CDs or any wavs from a drive is
> http://www.audiograbber.com-us.net/download.html
> It does .ogg, .wav, .wma, and with external it can use Lame, FLAC
> and many others.
>
> With all mp3s and wma s I hear a funky high end thing that is usually
> unimportant/unnoticable to my clients at a gig. In the studio it's plain
> as day though.
>
> iTunes would not be my first choice as a DJ player that's for sure.
> I use PCDJ but there are others that are equal too or better as I
> understand.
> PCDJ rips very nicely too.
> http://pcdj.com/blogroll/pcdj-dex/
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com <mailto:nobody@ishere.com>> wrote in
> message news:481544ee$1@linux...
>
> 256 will sound pretty good. If you can get away from iTunes I think
> OGG files
> sound better and FLAC files are lossless. Both also happen to be
> free (as
> in speech, and as in beer) codecs so my guess is that they'll have
> legs longer
> than MP3.
>
> TCB
>
> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com <mailto:bill@billlorentzen.com>> wrote:
> >I'm compressing a bunch of files for a portable player to be used to
> >play rhythm trax for gigs. I need to use mp3 because I will need
> iTunes
>
> >to be able to access them. If you have done some testing do you think
> >256k mp3s are good enough that in a live situation one can't hear
> much diff?
>
>
>
> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
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Re: Compression Format Advice? [message #98297 is a reply to message #98294] Mon, 28 April 2008 08:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bill,
It sounds like you've got a good plan going.
Good luck with it all.
Tom

"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message =
news:4815cb7f$1@linux...
Thanks all for your advice.

Tom, I would use PCDJ but I am trying to get away from bringing a=20
computer on gigs so I bought a little Sansa RAM drive player, which I=20
hope will be robust (no moving drive parts) and which holds 4 gigs. If =
I=20
were DJing I would use PCDJ. The guy who started the company is a =
friend=20
of mine and a drummer who I sometimes play with.

Tom Bruhl wrote:
> Hi Bill,
> =20
> I use 192 and up these days for live DJ and my own music minus one =
mixes.
> Disk space is too cheap to bother with 128 except for internet=20
> bottlenecking.
> =20
> A great freeware program to rip CDs or any wavs from a drive is
> http://www.audiograbber.com-us.net/download.html
> It does .ogg, .wav, .wma, and with external it can use Lame, FLAC
> and many others.
> =20
> With all mp3s and wma s I hear a funky high end thing that is =
usually
> unimportant/unnoticable to my clients at a gig. In the studio it's =
plain
> as day though.
> =20
> iTunes would not be my first choice as a DJ player that's for sure.
> I use PCDJ but there are others that are equal too or better as I=20
> understand.
> PCDJ rips very nicely too.
> http://pcdj.com/blogroll/pcdj-dex/
> =20
> Tom
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
>=20
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com <mailto:nobody@ishere.com>> wrote in
> message news:481544ee$1@linux...
>=20
> 256 will sound pretty good. If you can get away from iTunes I =
think
> OGG files
> sound better and FLAC files are lossless. Both also happen to be
> free (as
> in speech, and as in beer) codecs so my guess is that they'll =
have
> legs longer
> than MP3.
>=20
> TCB
>=20
> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com <mailto:bill@billlorentzen.com>> =
wrote:
> >I'm compressing a bunch of files for a portable player to be =
used to
> >play rhythm trax for gigs. I need to use mp3 because I will =
need
> iTunes
>=20
> >to be able to access them. If you have done some testing do =
you think
> >256k mp3s are good enough that in a live situation one can't =
hear
> much diff?
>=20
>=20
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from=20
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player,=20
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holds 4=20
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days for=20
live DJ and my own music minus one mixes.<BR>&gt; Disk space is too =
cheap to=20
bother with 128 except for internet <BR>&gt; =
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=
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FLAC<BR>&gt; and=20
many others.<BR>&gt;&nbsp; <BR>&gt; With all mp3s and wma s I hear a =
funky=20
high end thing that is usually<BR>&gt; unimportant/unnoticable to my =
clients=20
at a gig.&nbsp; In the studio it's plain<BR>&gt; as day =
though.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
<BR>&gt; iTunes would not be my first choice as a DJ player that's for =

sure.<BR>&gt; I use PCDJ but there are others that are equal too or =
better as=20
I <BR>&gt; understand.<BR>&gt; PCDJ rips very nicely too.<BR>&gt; <A=20
=
href=3D"http://pcdj.com/blogroll/pcdj-dex/">http://pcdj.com/blogroll/pcdj=
-dex/</A><BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
<BR>&gt; Tom<BR>&gt;&nbsp; <BR>&gt;&nbsp; <BR>&gt;&nbsp; =
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
<BR>&gt;&nbsp; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "TCB" &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:nobody@ishere.com">nobody@ishere.com</A> &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:nobody@ishere.com">mailto:nobody@ishere.com</A>&gt;&gt; =
wrote=20
in<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; message <A=20
href=3D"news:481544ee$1@linux">news:481544ee$1@linux</A>...<BR>&gt;=20
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 256 will sound pretty good. If you =
can get=20
away from iTunes I think<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; OGG=20
files<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; sound better and FLAC files are=20
lossless. Both also happen to be<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; free=20
(as<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; in speech, and as in beer) codecs =
so my=20
guess is that they'll have<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; legs=20
longer<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; than MP3.<BR>&gt;=20
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; TCB<BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
Bill L &lt;<A =
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&lt;<A=20
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gigs. I need=20
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iTunes<BR>&gt;=20
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Re: Compression Format Advice? [message #98298 is a reply to message #98287] Mon, 28 April 2008 09:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TCB is currently offline  TCB
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Hey Tom,

How would you compare PCDJ to the Traktor line? I use the NI stuff just sorta
because. And I wrote the (really horrible, sorry) manual to Traktor 2 so
I know it pretty well. Anyway, I'd be interested.

I have been working with Stylus RMX for a couple of weeks now as a potential
live DJ/improv/dub session tool. With the crossfader in Live it's the closest
I've ever been to getting that to work.

Cool toys are good,

TCB

"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>Hi Bill,
>
>I use 192 and up these days for live DJ and my own music minus one =
>mixes.
>Disk space is too cheap to bother with 128 except for internet =
>bottlenecking.
>
>A great freeware program to rip CDs or any wavs from a drive is=20
>http://www.audiograbber.com-us.net/download.html
>It does .ogg, .wav, .wma, and with external it can use Lame, FLAC
>and many others.
>
>With all mp3s and wma s I hear a funky high end thing that is usually
>unimportant/unnoticable to my clients at a gig. In the studio it's =
>plain=20
>as day though.
>
>iTunes would not be my first choice as a DJ player that's for sure.
>I use PCDJ but there are others that are equal too or better as I =
>understand.
>PCDJ rips very nicely too.
>http://pcdj.com/blogroll/pcdj-dex/
>
>Tom
>
>
>
>
>
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:481544ee$1@linux...
>
> 256 will sound pretty good. If you can get away from iTunes I think =
>OGG files
> sound better and FLAC files are lossless. Both also happen to be free
=
>(as
> in speech, and as in beer) codecs so my guess is that they'll have =
>legs longer
> than MP3.=20
>
> TCB
>
> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
> >I'm compressing a bunch of files for a portable player to be used to=20
> >play rhythm trax for gigs. I need to use mp3 because I will need =
>iTunes
>
> >to be able to access them. If you have done some testing do you think
=
>
> >256k mp3s are good enough that in a live situation one can't hear =
>much diff?
>
>
>
>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Bill,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I use 192 and up these days for live DJ
=
>and my own=20
>music minus one mixes.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Disk space is too cheap to bother with
=
>128 except=20
>for internet </FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
>size=3D2>bottlenecking.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A great freeware program to rip CDs or
=
>any=20
>wavs from a drive is </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2><A=20
>href=3D"http://www.audiograbber.com-us.net/download.html">http://www.audi=
>ograbber.com-us.net/download.html</A></FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It does .ogg, .wav, .wma, and with =
>external it can=20
>use Lame, FLAC</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and many others.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>With all mp3s and wma s I hear a funky
=
>high end=20
>thing that is usually</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>unimportant/unnoticable to my =
>clients at=20
>a gig. In the studio it's plain </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>as day though.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>iTunes would not be my first choice as
=
>a DJ player=20
>that's for sure.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I use PCDJ but there are others that =
>are equal too=20
>or better as I understand.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>PCDJ rips very nicely too.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
>href=3D"http://pcdj.com/blogroll/pcdj-dex/">http://pcdj.com/blogroll/pcdj=
>-dex/</A></FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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> <DIV>"TCB" <<A =
>href=3D"mailto:nobody@ishere.com">nobody@ishere.com</A>>=20
> wrote in message <A=20
> =
>href=3D"news:481544ee$1@linux">news:481544ee$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>256
=
>will=20
> sound pretty good. If you can get away from iTunes I think OGG =
>files<BR>sound=20
> better and FLAC files are lossless. Both also happen to be free =
>(as<BR>in=20
> speech, and as in beer) codecs so my guess is that they'll have legs=20
> longer<BR>than MP3. <BR><BR>TCB<BR><BR>Bill L <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:bill@billlorentzen.com">bill@billlorentzen.com</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>>I'm compressing a bunch of files for a portable player =
>to be=20
> used to <BR>>play rhythm trax for gigs. I need to use mp3 because I =
>will=20
> need iTunes<BR><BR>>to be able to access them. If you have done =
>some=20
> testing do you think <BR>>256k mp3s are good enough that in a live=20
> situation one can't hear much diff?<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Re: Compression Format Advice? [message #98299 is a reply to message #98274] Mon, 28 April 2008 10:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aaron Allen is currently offline  Aaron Allen   UNITED STATES
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
Senior Member
For live I'd suggest 128k. Mix to mono, and put your click on the left,
track on the right. That way you can fix any phase funnies in a more
controlled environment and up the sample rate as/if needed.

Try using MediaMonkey for controlling your iPod device (or equivalent). Nice
thing is, you can put all this into a laptop and take that as a 'uh oh'
device should your little dude forget who it is.

www.mediamonkey.com

a.. Organize music and edit tags in your audio library with a powerful,
intuitive interface
a.. Automatically lookup and tag Album Art and other metadata
a.. Manage 50,000+ files in your music collection without bogging down
a.. Play MP3s and other audio formats, and never again worry about varying
volume
a.. Record CDs into OGG, MP3, FLAC and WMA files
a.. Convert MP3s, M4A, OGG, FLAC and WMA files into other formats
a.. Create playlists and music mixes quickly and easily to suit any occasion
a.. Synchronize with iPods / MP3 players effortlessly and convert tracks
on-the-fly

AA


"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:4814e621@linux...
> I'm compressing a bunch of files for a portable player to be used to play
> rhythm trax for gigs. I need to use mp3 because I will need iTunes to be
> able to access them. If you have done some testing do you think 256k mp3s
> are good enough that in a live situation one can't hear much diff?
Re: Compression Format Advice? [message #98311 is a reply to message #98299] Mon, 28 April 2008 15:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bill L is currently offline  Bill L   UNITED STATES
Messages: 766
Registered: August 2006
Senior Member
I do mix in mono and I put the count off on the left and feed only the
left channel to the monitors.

I am going to get another little Sansa as a backup. They are pretty cheap.

Aaron Allen wrote:
> For live I'd suggest 128k. Mix to mono, and put your click on the left,
> track on the right. That way you can fix any phase funnies in a more
> controlled environment and up the sample rate as/if needed.
>
> Try using MediaMonkey for controlling your iPod device (or equivalent). Nice
> thing is, you can put all this into a laptop and take that as a 'uh oh'
> device should your little dude forget who it is.
>
> www.mediamonkey.com
>
> a.. Organize music and edit tags in your audio library with a powerful,
> intuitive interface
> a.. Automatically lookup and tag Album Art and other metadata
> a.. Manage 50,000+ files in your music collection without bogging down
> a.. Play MP3s and other audio formats, and never again worry about varying
> volume
> a.. Record CDs into OGG, MP3, FLAC and WMA files
> a.. Convert MP3s, M4A, OGG, FLAC and WMA files into other formats
> a.. Create playlists and music mixes quickly and easily to suit any occasion
> a.. Synchronize with iPods / MP3 players effortlessly and convert tracks
> on-the-fly
>
> AA
>
>
> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:4814e621@linux...
>> I'm compressing a bunch of files for a portable player to be used to play
>> rhythm trax for gigs. I need to use mp3 because I will need iTunes to be
>> able to access them. If you have done some testing do you think 256k mp3s
>> are good enough that in a live situation one can't hear much diff?
>
>
Re: Compression Format Advice? [message #98370 is a reply to message #98286] Fri, 02 May 2008 10:35 Go to previous message
suckup worshiper is currently offline  suckup worshiper
Messages: 4
Registered: May 2008
Junior Member
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>256 will sound pretty good. If you can get away from iTunes I think OGG
files
>sound better and FLAC files are lossless. Both also happen to be free (as
>in speech, and as in beer) codecs so my guess is that they'll have legs
longer
>than MP3.
>
>TCB


YES, LISTEN TO THE ALL MIGHTY ALL KNOWING THAD, HE KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT
SOUND. THE ALL KNOWING THAD SAYS TO STAY AWAY FROM ITUNES, STAY AWAY FROM
ITUNES!!! ITUNES BAD, UBUNTU GOOD! THAD THE KNOW IT ALL, SAYS ALL THINGS
APPLE SUCK, LISTEN TO THAD HE IS AN EXPERT ON ALL THINGS!

JUST ASK HIM, YOU'LL GET IT STRAIT FROM THE HORSES MOUTH!
>
>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>I'm compressing a bunch of files for a portable player to be used to
>>play rhythm trax for gigs. I need to use mp3 because I will need iTunes
>
>>to be able to access them. If you have done some testing do you think
>>256k mp3s are good enough that in a live situation one can't hear much
diff?
>
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