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| Re: VM Ware Fusion - anyone use it? [message #98879 is a reply to message #98876] |
Thu, 22 May 2008 16:01   |
TCB
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Never used that product exactly, but know VMWare pretty well. Nice app, no
problems on XP, some gotchas on linux boxes, but there are decent workarounds.
However, the things that I think set it apart are really server side stuff,
automated failovers, fault tolerance, snapshotting, etc. For desktop stuff
at home I use Virtualbox, which is available for OS X. Again, can't speak
to it's stability/usability on other platforms but it's how I have a little
slice of Debian even on my XP audio machines.
TCB
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
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>http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/
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>Seems like a good way to do everything with one machine.
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>Comments?
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>thanks
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>DC
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| Re: VM Ware Fusion - anyone use it? [message #98884 is a reply to message #98879] |
Thu, 22 May 2008 17:07 |
dc[3]
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What I want to do with it is run Autocad on a new Mac Pro
(on XP of course) while still using a bunch of Mac apps .
The Apple tech guy actually recommended it highly for this
sort of thing. No audio uses, just design work. I have heard
that Autodesk may come out with an Autocad version for
macs, but I am sure they won't until I buy XP, and Fusion,
and debug it, so I might as well get started...
grrrr
Another thing I wonder about is whether XP running
under fusion is still subject to all the malware and viruses
that a PC is? I could not get an answer on this on the
VM site. Waddya think?
thanks
DC
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>Never used that product exactly, but know VMWare pretty well. Nice app,
no
>problems on XP, some gotchas on linux boxes, but there are decent workarounds.
>However, the things that I think set it apart are really server side stuff,
>automated failovers, fault tolerance, snapshotting, etc. For desktop stuff
>at home I use Virtualbox, which is available for OS X. Again, can't speak
>to it's stability/usability on other platforms but it's how I have a little
>slice of Debian even on my XP audio machines.
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>TCB
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>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
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>>http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/
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>>Seems like a good way to do everything with one machine.
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>>Comments?
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>>thanks
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>>DC
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| Re: VM Ware Fusion - anyone use it? [message #98887 is a reply to message #98884] |
Thu, 22 May 2008 18:08 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
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Again, I haven't used this particular product at all, so I can't say for sure.
I like Virtualbox, because it's free (as in both speech and beer, though
Sun bought it and they're still getting their heads around free as in speech,
but they're getting closer I think), it works, it has a very small footprint
and it likes Debian. My guess is, and again, I can't say this for sure, at
the desktop level the advantage of VMWare's commercial product will be integrating
with the host OS. The clipboard will work better, that kind of thing. That's
not a huge deal to me, but might be for you.
As an example, I'm writing this email from my DJ/Live performance laptop.
It sits in my TV room so I can play with stuff during the NBA finals. I've
been doing a LOT of database coding at work lately, and my preferred dev
tools are PostgreSQL and SQL Explorer in Eclipse. Well, I don't want a bunch
of java shit and development tools running in the background and hogging
memory when I'm making music. So, at the cost of a few GB of disk space I
can have Debian, Postgres, and Eclipse all cheerfully running _when I want
them to_ on my music laptop. For me Virtualbox does all of that swimmingly,
but I don't need to copy and paste Autocad output into Photoshop on the host
OS. You might.
As far as malware and viruses, you're VM will be exactly as likely to have
problems as an actual hardware XP box. As I always say, if you don't click
on email attachments, keep the XP firewall on, and don't go to porn sites,
you're good on that front 99% of the time.
TCB
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
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>What I want to do with it is run Autocad on a new Mac Pro
>(on XP of course) while still using a bunch of Mac apps .
>
>The Apple tech guy actually recommended it highly for this
>sort of thing. No audio uses, just design work. I have heard
>that Autodesk may come out with an Autocad version for
>macs, but I am sure they won't until I buy XP, and Fusion,
>and debug it, so I might as well get started...
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>grrrr
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>Another thing I wonder about is whether XP running
>under fusion is still subject to all the malware and viruses
>that a PC is? I could not get an answer on this on the
>VM site. Waddya think?
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>
>thanks
>
>DC
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>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>>Never used that product exactly, but know VMWare pretty well. Nice app,
>no
>>problems on XP, some gotchas on linux boxes, but there are decent workarounds.
>>However, the things that I think set it apart are really server side stuff,
>>automated failovers, fault tolerance, snapshotting, etc. For desktop stuff
>>at home I use Virtualbox, which is available for OS X. Again, can't speak
>>to it's stability/usability on other platforms but it's how I have a little
>>slice of Debian even on my XP audio machines.
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>>TCB
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>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
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>>>http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/
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>>>Seems like a good way to do everything with one machine.
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>>>
>>>Comments?
>>>
>>>thanks
>>>
>>>DC
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| Re: VM Ware Fusion - anyone use it? [message #98924 is a reply to message #98911] |
Sat, 24 May 2008 20:18 |
DC
Messages: 722
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So, I could have the Mac access the net, but not the PC VM?
That would be cool indeed.
I would need to access it now and then for app and OS updates, but
if I could never use a browser or mail app in XP land I would be
very happy.
Am I on the right track?
thanks
DC
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
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>Hey Don,
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>Slow down :-) The great thing about a VM is that you don't have to turn
the
>'virtual' network card on at all. It's definitely possible to run XP networkless
>on a MAC.
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>Chuck
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
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>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>>>For me Virtualbox does all of that swimmingly,
>>>but I don't need to copy and paste Autocad output into Photoshop on the
>>host
>>>OS. You might.
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>>Current Autocad versions generate nice PDF's so if I get trouble with
>>overloading the clipboard (which I have heard is not a problem with at
>>least 4G ram) then I could always drop the pdf into PS.
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>>>As far as malware and viruses, you're VM will be exactly as likely to
have
>>>problems as an actual hardware XP box. As I always say, if you don't click
>>>on email attachments, keep the XP firewall on, and don't go to porn sites,
>>>you're good on that front 99% of the time.
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>>Oh swell, so I can turn a Mac into all the worst sort of of PC buggery
>>AND it costs 3K.
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>>Mac guys are Nutz.
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>>DC
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>>thanks for the info!
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