| Re: China [message #97192 is a reply to message #97186] |
Fri, 21 March 2008 07:32   |
rick
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i know the story. my comment was that instead of different languages
creating the problems between men (people) it's their idea of what god
is and whom he favors. i have never seen people "babble" on about
how and why a tree is named a tree in any language. but these same
individuals can and do go to extremes to prove their point of view are
the "right and true" visions...they'll even kill because some greater
power has ordained it the righteous thing to do.
On 22 Mar 2008 00:03:59 +1000, "Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net>
wrote:
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>Don't know what books you are reading but the tower of babel isn't about different
>gods. It was about the power of agreement. All those people were in agreement
>to build a tower that would reach Heaven. Wasn't Gods plan for getting to
>Heaven. So He had to do something to break their wrong motives and broke
>their native tongue up into different languages so that they couldn't understand
>each other and the tower stopped. So when you hear about someone who is just
>"babelling" on about something, you'll know where the term came from. Babelling
>never makes any sense does it? But don't take my word for it... Take His.
>Check out the Word.
>
>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>the tower of babel wasn't about different languages it's about
>>different ideas of god. we can all agree that a tree is a tree no
>>matter in what language but god and salvation is quite a different
>>animal.
>>
>>On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:15:58 -0600, Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>I'll only post this in response to your two posts since this topic is not
>>>only off topic, but also unpopular:
>>>
>>>Actually the Bible says Romans 3:22-24 "22 This righteousness from God
>comes
>>>through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference,
>23
>>>for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified
>>>freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus."
>>>
>>>Some use "turn or burn" tactics, but I don't agree with that approach.
> At
>>>the same time, the "do whatever feels right to you" mentality is also
>>>fatally flawed. Between those two is where Jesus taught - we aren't
>>>perfect, and will never be on our own (anyone that disagrees, please attempt
>>>to go a whole day without making a mistake of any kind, whether in action,
>>>how you talk to someone else, or how you think ;-). Only through God's
>>>grace and by his love can be be perfected in Him - not perfect humans,
>but
>>>loved perfectly (i.e. beyond what we practice and understand in human love)
>>>
>>>The point of the above passage, and the idea that we have all sinned is
>that
>>>we can't receive God's grace and forgiveness, and become "righteous" in
>His
>>>sight by our own power, deeds or merit. It isn't a scare tactic even though
>>>it has been used that way.
>>>
>>>We have to accept and believe that Jesus, not only loves us, but also took
>>>the burden of our own sin upon himself by dying on the cross and being
>>>raised from the dead to reunite with His Father - this became the symbol
>of
>>>what "being saved" is all about - allowing old ways to die, and a new life
>>>to begin, not just living a good life. This is how the concept of being
>>>sinners really becomes a beautiful thing - we aren't doomed to pay for
>our
>>>mistakes forever. There is hope. We also can't keep making the same
>>>mistakes without consequences, whether earthly or heavenly (the former
>is
>>>common sense - keep hitting your thumb with a hammer, eventually you'll
>>>break it ;-).
>>>
>>>In practice the change is real, and the heart does take on a new perspective
>>>on our own lives, responsibilities, people around us, etc. We don't stop
>>>making mistakes (but that's what forgiveness is for - not excuses, but
>>>second chances), and we don't become perfect humans, but now we have hope
>>>beyond what the world has to offer.
>>>
>>>Happy Easter all,
>>>Dedric
>>>
>>>
>>>On 3/20/08 8:03 AM, in article 47e27184@linux, "Bill L"
>>><bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Personally, repeat *personally*, I think some creepy, disgusting Dark
>>>> Ages priests said "all are lost and doomed by their sins". That is their
>>>> control mechanism: "Do what we say or burn forever in Hell. Only I know
>>>> the truth." Personally, I think that kind of coercion is disgusting.
>>>>
>>>> I prefer to believe Jesus was full of love and trust and belief in the
>>>> goodness of man.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DC wrote:
>>>>> Sorry, I misread your question.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jesus taught that all are lost and all are doomed by their
>>>>> sins. He never ever said people are basically good and
>>>>> this position is against everything he stood and died for.
>>>>>
>>>>> We can pursue this further if you like, but it is very clear.
>>>>>
>>>>> DC
>>
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