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"I think" my little dual opteron 185 is gonna have plenty of horsepower =
to track 20 inputs simultaneously at 3ms latency. Any further tracking =
would be dubbing maybe 1 or two tracks while playing back the =
prerecorded tracks. this also looks pretty simple if I'm not using a =
heavy load of UAD-1 plugins. If I were to use them, I can disable them =
all for dubs in the UA control panel.=20
I'll tell you what........if I can get this CR function going and it's =
working nicely, and if you can find the mobo I use, this will be a very =
powerful, UAD-1/Powercore w/ Magma DSP friendly and economic DAW to =
build for a native system. I'm slamming the PCI bus with 9 devices ( 4 x =
UAD-1's, 2 POCO's and 3 RME HDSP cards) during mixdown cramming enough =
bandwidth through the bus to choke an elephant and the NForce chipset =
just shrugs it off. I can playback 40 tracks with a 90% UAD-1 DSP usage, =
a 90% POCO usage on two cards and a respectable number of native plugins =
at 1024 buffers when I'm mixing with no dropouts.=20
I'm digging this DAW. I just didn't think it had the capabilities to =
really function efficiently with Cubase Control Room and never really =
tried it because I had a monster cue system in place before Cubase 4 =
came out.=20
I may have have misunderestimated the capabilities of this system. I =
don't quite have my head around the CR function yet though. For some =
reason, I'm not hearing the input signal in the cans, though the click =
is working.=20
Crap!!! I guess I'm actually gonna have to RTFM
If I can satisfy myself that this will work reliably, I'll post up my =
specs in detail here in case someone wants to build a relatively =
inexpensive native DAW with lots of potential.
;)
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"I think" my little dual opteron 185 is =
gonna have=20
plenty of horsepower to track 20 inputs simultaneously at 3ms latency. =
Any=20
further tracking would be dubbing maybe 1 or two tracks while playing =
back the=20
prerecorded tracks. this also looks pretty simple if I'm not using a =
heavy load=20
of UAD-1 plugins. If I were to use them, I can disable them all for =
dubs in=20
the UA control panel. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'll tell you what........if I can get =
this CR=20
function going and it's working nicely, and if you can find the =
mobo I use,=20
this will be a very powerful, UAD-1/Powercore w/ Magma DSP =
friendly and=20
economic DAW to build for a native system. I'm slamming the PCI bus =
with 9=20
devices ( 4 x UAD-1's, 2 POCO's and 3 RME HDSP cards) during =
mixdown=20
cramming enough bandwidth through the bus to choke an elephant and the =
NForce=20
chipset just shrugs it off. I can playback 40 tracks with a 90% UAD-1 =
DSP usage,=20
a 90% POCO usage on two cards and a respectable number of native plugins =
at 1024=20
buffers when I'm mixing with no dropouts. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm digging this DAW. I just didn't =
think it had=20
the capabilities to really function efficiently with Cubase Control Room =
and=20
never really tried it because I had a monster cue system in place before =
Cubase=20
4 came out. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I may have have =
<EM>misunderestimated</EM> the=20
capabilities of this system. I don't quite have my head around the CR =
function=20
yet though. For some reason, I'm not hearing the input signal in the =
cans,=20
though the click is working. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Crap!!! I guess I'm actually gonna have =
to=20
RTFM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If I can satisfy myself that this will =
work=20
reliably, I'll post up my specs in detail here in case someone wants to =
build a=20
relatively inexpensive native DAW with lots of potential.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>;)</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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| Re: Cubase control room..... [message #97373 is a reply to message #97372] |
Sat, 22 March 2008 19:57  |
Deej [5]
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"Mr. Simplicity" <noway@jose.net> wrote in message =
news:47e5c8dd$1@linux...
"I think" my little dual opteron 185 is gonna have plenty of =
horsepower to track 20 inputs simultaneously at 3ms latency. Any further =
tracking would be dubbing maybe 1 or two tracks while playing back the =
prerecorded tracks. this also looks pretty simple if I'm not using a =
heavy load of UAD-1 plugins. If I were to use them, I can disable them =
all for dubs in the UA control panel.=20
I'll tell you what........if I can get this CR function going and it's =
working nicely, and if you can find the mobo I use, this will be a very =
powerful, UAD-1/Powercore w/ Magma DSP friendly and economic DAW to =
build for a native system. I'm slamming the PCI bus with 9 devices ( 4 x =
UAD-1's, 2 POCO's and 3 RME HDSP cards) during mixdown cramming enough =
bandwidth through the bus to choke an elephant and the NForce chipset =
just shrugs it off. I can playback 40 tracks with a 90% UAD-1 DSP usage, =
a 90% POCO usage on two cards and a respectable number of native plugins =
at 1024 buffers when I'm mixing with no dropouts.=20
I'm digging this DAW. I just didn't think it had the capabilities to =
really function efficiently with Cubase Control Room and never really =
tried it because I had a monster cue system in place before Cubase 4 =
came out.=20
I may have have misunderestimated the capabilities of this system. I =
don't quite have my head around the CR function yet though. For some =
reason, I'm not hearing the input signal in the cans, though the click =
is working.=20
Crap!!! I guess I'm actually gonna have to RTFM
If I can satisfy myself that this will work reliably, I'll post up my =
specs in detail here in case someone wants to build a relatively =
inexpensive native DAW with lots of potential.
;)
Hmmm.........just thinking about this Opteron 185. I guess it's not =
really so little after all. 2 x 2600MHZ cores. That's 5.2 GHZ of CPU on =
an extremely efficient chipset........and the mobo is one that is being =
used with Paris rigs as well-the Gigabyte GA K8NS Ultra 939.
Well, anyway........back to the lab....
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<DIV>"Mr. Simplicity" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:noway@jose.net">noway@jose.net</A>> wrote in message =
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href=3D"news:47e5c8dd$1@linux">news:47e5c8dd$1@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"I think" my little dual opteron 185 =
is gonna=20
have plenty of horsepower to track 20 inputs simultaneously at 3ms =
latency.=20
Any further tracking would be dubbing maybe 1 or two tracks while =
playing back=20
the prerecorded tracks. this also looks pretty simple if I'm not using =
a heavy=20
load of UAD-1 plugins. If I were to use them, I can disable them =
all for=20
dubs in the UA control panel. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'll tell you what........if I can =
get this CR=20
function going and it's working nicely, and if you can find the =
mobo I=20
use, this will be a very powerful, UAD-1/Powercore w/ Magma DSP=20
friendly and economic DAW to build for a native system. I'm =
slamming the=20
PCI bus with 9 devices ( 4 x UAD-1's, 2 POCO's and 3 RME =
HDSP cards)=20
during mixdown cramming enough bandwidth through the bus to choke an =
elephant=20
and the NForce chipset just shrugs it off. I can playback 40 tracks =
with a 90%=20
UAD-1 DSP usage, a 90% POCO usage on two cards and a respectable =
number of=20
native plugins at 1024 buffers when I'm mixing with no dropouts. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm digging this DAW. I just didn't =
think it had=20
the capabilities to really function efficiently with Cubase Control =
Room and=20
never really tried it because I had a monster cue system in place =
before=20
Cubase 4 came out. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I may have have =
<EM>misunderestimated</EM> the=20
capabilities of this system. I don't quite have my head around the CR =
function=20
yet though. For some reason, I'm not hearing the input signal in the =
cans,=20
though the click is working. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Crap!!! I guess I'm actually gonna =
have to=20
RTFM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If I can satisfy myself that this =
will work=20
reliably, I'll post up my specs in detail here in case someone wants =
to build=20
a relatively inexpensive native DAW with lots of =
potential.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>;)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hmmm.........just thinking about this =
Opteron=20
185. I guess it's not really so little after all. 2 x 2600MHZ cores. =
That's=20
5.2 GHZ of CPU on an extremely efficient chipset........and the mobo =
is one=20
that is being used with Paris rigs as well-the Gigabyte GA K8NS Ultra=20
939.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well, anyway........back to the=20
lab....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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| Re: Cubase control room..... [message #97379 is a reply to message #97372] |
Sat, 22 March 2008 23:00 |
Deej [5]
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Well,
I got it working. 3ms latency (128k) buffers is possible with large =
track counts but I'm just not comfortable with the flanging at this =
latency fo vocal work. If I could go to 64k it would be marginally =
acceptable but I guess I'm going to stick with totalmix and my furman =
HDS16 system.
That a true zero latency situation.
I'm thinking that until 32k buffers become commonplace, I'll be sticking =
with totalmix and my cue system.
Deej
"Mr. Simplicity" <noway@jose.net> wrote in message =
news:47e5c8dd$1@linux...
"I think" my little dual opteron 185 is gonna have plenty of =
horsepower to track 20 inputs simultaneously at 3ms latency. Any further =
tracking would be dubbing maybe 1 or two tracks while playing back the =
prerecorded tracks. this also looks pretty simple if I'm not using a =
heavy load of UAD-1 plugins. If I were to use them, I can disable them =
all for dubs in the UA control panel.=20
I'll tell you what........if I can get this CR function going and it's =
working nicely, and if you can find the mobo I use, this will be a very =
powerful, UAD-1/Powercore w/ Magma DSP friendly and economic DAW to =
build for a native system. I'm slamming the PCI bus with 9 devices ( 4 x =
UAD-1's, 2 POCO's and 3 RME HDSP cards) during mixdown cramming enough =
bandwidth through the bus to choke an elephant and the NForce chipset =
just shrugs it off. I can playback 40 tracks with a 90% UAD-1 DSP usage, =
a 90% POCO usage on two cards and a respectable number of native plugins =
at 1024 buffers when I'm mixing with no dropouts.=20
I'm digging this DAW. I just didn't think it had the capabilities to =
really function efficiently with Cubase Control Room and never really =
tried it because I had a monster cue system in place before Cubase 4 =
came out.=20
I may have have misunderestimated the capabilities of this system. I =
don't quite have my head around the CR function yet though. For some =
reason, I'm not hearing the input signal in the cans, though the click =
is working.=20
Crap!!! I guess I'm actually gonna have to RTFM
If I can satisfy myself that this will work reliably, I'll post up my =
specs in detail here in case someone wants to build a relatively =
inexpensive native DAW with lots of potential.
;)
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I got it working. 3ms latency (128k) =
buffers is=20
possible with large track counts but I'm just not comfortable with the =
flanging=20
at this latency fo vocal work. If I could go to 64k it would be =
marginally=20
acceptable but I guess I'm going to stick with totalmix and my furman =
HDS16=20
system.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That a true zero latency =
situation.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm thinking that until 32k buffers =
become=20
commonplace, I'll be sticking with totalmix and my cue =
system.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deej</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Mr. Simplicity" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:noway@jose.net">noway@jose.net</A>> wrote in message =
<A=20
href=3D"news:47e5c8dd$1@linux">news:47e5c8dd$1@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"I think" my little dual opteron 185 =
is gonna=20
have plenty of horsepower to track 20 inputs simultaneously at 3ms =
latency.=20
Any further tracking would be dubbing maybe 1 or two tracks while =
playing back=20
the prerecorded tracks. this also looks pretty simple if I'm not using =
a heavy=20
load of UAD-1 plugins. If I were to use them, I can disable them =
all for=20
dubs in the UA control panel. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'll tell you what........if I can =
get this CR=20
function going and it's working nicely, and if you can find the =
mobo I=20
use, this will be a very powerful, UAD-1/Powercore w/ Magma DSP=20
friendly and economic DAW to build for a native system. I'm =
slamming the=20
PCI bus with 9 devices ( 4 x UAD-1's, 2 POCO's and 3 RME =
HDSP cards)=20
during mixdown cramming enough bandwidth through the bus to choke an =
elephant=20
and the NForce chipset just shrugs it off. I can playback 40 tracks =
with a 90%=20
UAD-1 DSP usage, a 90% POCO usage on two cards and a respectable =
number of=20
native plugins at 1024 buffers when I'm mixing with no dropouts. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm digging this DAW. I just didn't =
think it had=20
the capabilities to really function efficiently with Cubase Control =
Room and=20
never really tried it because I had a monster cue system in place =
before=20
Cubase 4 came out. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I may have have =
<EM>misunderestimated</EM> the=20
capabilities of this system. I don't quite have my head around the CR =
function=20
yet though. For some reason, I'm not hearing the input signal in the =
cans,=20
though the click is working. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Crap!!! I guess I'm actually gonna =
have to=20
RTFM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If I can satisfy myself that this =
will work=20
reliably, I'll post up my specs in detail here in case someone wants =
to build=20
a relatively inexpensive native DAW with lots of =
potential.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>;)</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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| Re: Cubase control room..... [message #97381 is a reply to message #97379] |
Sun, 23 March 2008 05:29 |
John [1]
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I don't hear any flanging at 3ms. Control room rocks by the way,
just use Studio sends for the cue mixes. Reading the manual is good !
John
Mr. Simplicity wrote:
> Well,
>
> I got it working. 3ms latency (128k) buffers is possible with large
> track counts but I'm just not comfortable with the flanging at this
> latency fo vocal work. If I could go to 64k it would be marginally
> acceptable but I guess I'm going to stick with totalmix and my furman
> HDS16 system.
>
> That a true zero latency situation.
>
> I'm thinking that until 32k buffers become commonplace, I'll be sticking
> with totalmix and my cue system.
>
> Deej
>
> "Mr. Simplicity" <noway@jose.net <mailto:noway@jose.net>> wrote in
> message news:47e5c8dd$1@linux...
> "I think" my little dual opteron 185 is gonna have plenty of
> horsepower to track 20 inputs simultaneously at 3ms latency. Any
> further tracking would be dubbing maybe 1 or two tracks while
> playing back the prerecorded tracks. this also looks pretty simple
> if I'm not using a heavy load of UAD-1 plugins. If I were to use
> them, I can disable them all for dubs in the UA control panel.
>
> I'll tell you what........if I can get this CR function going and
> it's working nicely, and if you can find the mobo I use, this will
> be a very powerful, UAD-1/Powercore w/ Magma DSP friendly and
> economic DAW to build for a native system. I'm slamming the PCI bus
> with 9 devices ( 4 x UAD-1's, 2 POCO's and 3 RME HDSP cards) during
> mixdown cramming enough bandwidth through the bus to choke an
> elephant and the NForce chipset just shrugs it off. I can playback
> 40 tracks with a 90% UAD-1 DSP usage, a 90% POCO usage on two cards
> and a respectable number of native plugins at 1024 buffers when I'm
> mixing with no dropouts.
>
> I'm digging this DAW. I just didn't think it had the capabilities to
> really function efficiently with Cubase Control Room and never
> really tried it because I had a monster cue system in place before
> Cubase 4 came out.
>
> I may have have /misunderestimated/ the capabilities of this system.
> I don't quite have my head around the CR function yet though. For
> some reason, I'm not hearing the input signal in the cans, though
> the click is working.
>
> Crap!!! I guess I'm actually gonna have to RTFM
>
> If I can satisfy myself that this will work reliably, I'll post up
> my specs in detail here in case someone wants to build a relatively
> inexpensive native DAW with lots of potential.
>
> ;)
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| Re: Cubase control room..... [message #97399 is a reply to message #97381] |
Sun, 23 March 2008 13:52 |
rick
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manual are evil only used by the weak to learn something they don't
already know....bridges for sale...
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 07:29:27 -0500, John <no@no.com> wrote:
>I don't hear any flanging at 3ms. Control room rocks by the way,
>just use Studio sends for the cue mixes. Reading the manual is good !
>
>John
>
>Mr. Simplicity wrote:
>> Well,
>>
>> I got it working. 3ms latency (128k) buffers is possible with large
>> track counts but I'm just not comfortable with the flanging at this
>> latency fo vocal work. If I could go to 64k it would be marginally
>> acceptable but I guess I'm going to stick with totalmix and my furman
>> HDS16 system.
>>
>> That a true zero latency situation.
>>
>> I'm thinking that until 32k buffers become commonplace, I'll be sticking
>> with totalmix and my cue system.
>>
>> Deej
>>
>> "Mr. Simplicity" <noway@jose.net <mailto:noway@jose.net>> wrote in
>> message news:47e5c8dd$1@linux...
>> "I think" my little dual opteron 185 is gonna have plenty of
>> horsepower to track 20 inputs simultaneously at 3ms latency. Any
>> further tracking would be dubbing maybe 1 or two tracks while
>> playing back the prerecorded tracks. this also looks pretty simple
>> if I'm not using a heavy load of UAD-1 plugins. If I were to use
>> them, I can disable them all for dubs in the UA control panel.
>>
>> I'll tell you what........if I can get this CR function going and
>> it's working nicely, and if you can find the mobo I use, this will
>> be a very powerful, UAD-1/Powercore w/ Magma DSP friendly and
>> economic DAW to build for a native system. I'm slamming the PCI bus
>> with 9 devices ( 4 x UAD-1's, 2 POCO's and 3 RME HDSP cards) during
>> mixdown cramming enough bandwidth through the bus to choke an
>> elephant and the NForce chipset just shrugs it off. I can playback
>> 40 tracks with a 90% UAD-1 DSP usage, a 90% POCO usage on two cards
>> and a respectable number of native plugins at 1024 buffers when I'm
>> mixing with no dropouts.
>>
>> I'm digging this DAW. I just didn't think it had the capabilities to
>> really function efficiently with Cubase Control Room and never
>> really tried it because I had a monster cue system in place before
>> Cubase 4 came out.
>>
>> I may have have /misunderestimated/ the capabilities of this system.
>> I don't quite have my head around the CR function yet though. For
>> some reason, I'm not hearing the input signal in the cans, though
>> the click is working.
>>
>> Crap!!! I guess I'm actually gonna have to RTFM
>>
>> If I can satisfy myself that this will work reliably, I'll post up
>> my specs in detail here in case someone wants to build a relatively
>> inexpensive native DAW with lots of potential.
>>
>> ;)
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| Re: Cubase control room..... [message #97400 is a reply to message #97379] |
Sun, 23 March 2008 15:40 |
Bill L
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One day we shall reach the promised land of true low latency. At least
we know Cubase Control Room will be ready when we get there. Maybe that
new hardware will interface with Control Room in some creative way.
BTW that new MOTU 828 has essentially a 32 channel mixer with effects in
it. I have had pretty OK experiences with the old 828. It ain't top
drawer but their stuff works OK.
Mr. Simplicity wrote:
> Well,
>
> I got it working. 3ms latency (128k) buffers is possible with large
> track counts but I'm just not comfortable with the flanging at this
> latency fo vocal work. If I could go to 64k it would be marginally
> acceptable but I guess I'm going to stick with totalmix and my furman
> HDS16 system.
>
> That a true zero latency situation.
>
> I'm thinking that until 32k buffers become commonplace, I'll be sticking
> with totalmix and my cue system.
>
> Deej
>
> "Mr. Simplicity" <noway@jose.net <mailto:noway@jose.net>> wrote in
> message news:47e5c8dd$1@linux...
> "I think" my little dual opteron 185 is gonna have plenty of
> horsepower to track 20 inputs simultaneously at 3ms latency. Any
> further tracking would be dubbing maybe 1 or two tracks while
> playing back the prerecorded tracks. this also looks pretty simple
> if I'm not using a heavy load of UAD-1 plugins. If I were to use
> them, I can disable them all for dubs in the UA control panel.
>
> I'll tell you what........if I can get this CR function going and
> it's working nicely, and if you can find the mobo I use, this will
> be a very powerful, UAD-1/Powercore w/ Magma DSP friendly and
> economic DAW to build for a native system. I'm slamming the PCI bus
> with 9 devices ( 4 x UAD-1's, 2 POCO's and 3 RME HDSP cards) during
> mixdown cramming enough bandwidth through the bus to choke an
> elephant and the NForce chipset just shrugs it off. I can playback
> 40 tracks with a 90% UAD-1 DSP usage, a 90% POCO usage on two cards
> and a respectable number of native plugins at 1024 buffers when I'm
> mixing with no dropouts.
>
> I'm digging this DAW. I just didn't think it had the capabilities to
> really function efficiently with Cubase Control Room and never
> really tried it because I had a monster cue system in place before
> Cubase 4 came out.
>
> I may have have /misunderestimated/ the capabilities of this system.
> I don't quite have my head around the CR function yet though. For
> some reason, I'm not hearing the input signal in the cans, though
> the click is working.
>
> Crap!!! I guess I'm actually gonna have to RTFM
>
> If I can satisfy myself that this will work reliably, I'll post up
> my specs in detail here in case someone wants to build a relatively
> inexpensive native DAW with lots of potential.
>
> ;)
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| Re: Cubase control room..... [message #97402 is a reply to message #97400] |
Sun, 23 March 2008 16:02 |
Deej [5]
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I checked this out and I've never seen so many bad user reviews. Looks like
poison to me.
"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:47e6df40$1@linux...
> One day we shall reach the promised land of true low latency. At least we
> know Cubase Control Room will be ready when we get there. Maybe that new
> hardware will interface with Control Room in some creative way.
>
> BTW that new MOTU 828 has essentially a 32 channel mixer with effects in
> it. I have had pretty OK experiences with the old 828. It ain't top drawer
> but their stuff works OK.
>
> Mr. Simplicity wrote:
>> Well,
>> I got it working. 3ms latency (128k) buffers is possible with large
>> track counts but I'm just not comfortable with the flanging at this
>> latency fo vocal work. If I could go to 64k it would be marginally
>> acceptable but I guess I'm going to stick with totalmix and my furman
>> HDS16 system.
>> That a true zero latency situation.
>> I'm thinking that until 32k buffers become commonplace, I'll be sticking
>> with totalmix and my cue system.
>> Deej
>>
>> "Mr. Simplicity" <noway@jose.net <mailto:noway@jose.net>> wrote in
>> message news:47e5c8dd$1@linux...
>> "I think" my little dual opteron 185 is gonna have plenty of
>> horsepower to track 20 inputs simultaneously at 3ms latency. Any
>> further tracking would be dubbing maybe 1 or two tracks while
>> playing back the prerecorded tracks. this also looks pretty simple
>> if I'm not using a heavy load of UAD-1 plugins. If I were to use
>> them, I can disable them all for dubs in the UA control panel.
>> I'll tell you what........if I can get this CR function going and
>> it's working nicely, and if you can find the mobo I use, this will
>> be a very powerful, UAD-1/Powercore w/ Magma DSP friendly and
>> economic DAW to build for a native system. I'm slamming the PCI bus
>> with 9 devices ( 4 x UAD-1's, 2 POCO's and 3 RME HDSP cards) during
>> mixdown cramming enough bandwidth through the bus to choke an
>> elephant and the NForce chipset just shrugs it off. I can playback
>> 40 tracks with a 90% UAD-1 DSP usage, a 90% POCO usage on two cards
>> and a respectable number of native plugins at 1024 buffers when I'm
>> mixing with no dropouts.
>> I'm digging this DAW. I just didn't think it had the capabilities to
>> really function efficiently with Cubase Control Room and never
>> really tried it because I had a monster cue system in place before
>> Cubase 4 came out. I may have have /misunderestimated/ the
>> capabilities of this system.
>> I don't quite have my head around the CR function yet though. For
>> some reason, I'm not hearing the input signal in the cans, though
>> the click is working. Crap!!! I guess I'm actually gonna have to RTFM
>> If I can satisfy myself that this will work reliably, I'll post up
>> my specs in detail here in case someone wants to build a relatively
>> inexpensive native DAW with lots of potential.
>> ;)
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| Re: Cubase control room..... [message #97403 is a reply to message #97372] |
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I'm starting to get my head around this finally (thanks John and =
Dedric). It's pretty cool and 3ms latency seems to be tolerable.
"Mr. Simplicity" <noway@jose.net> wrote in message =
news:47e5c8dd$1@linux...
"I think" my little dual opteron 185 is gonna have plenty of =
horsepower to track 20 inputs simultaneously at 3ms latency. Any further =
tracking would be dubbing maybe 1 or two tracks while playing back the =
prerecorded tracks. this also looks pretty simple if I'm not using a =
heavy load of UAD-1 plugins. If I were to use them, I can disable them =
all for dubs in the UA control panel.=20
I'll tell you what........if I can get this CR function going and it's =
working nicely, and if you can find the mobo I use, this will be a very =
powerful, UAD-1/Powercore w/ Magma DSP friendly and economic DAW to =
build for a native system. I'm slamming the PCI bus with 9 devices ( 4 x =
UAD-1's, 2 POCO's and 3 RME HDSP cards) during mixdown cramming enough =
bandwidth through the bus to choke an elephant and the NForce chipset =
just shrugs it off. I can playback 40 tracks with a 90% UAD-1 DSP usage, =
a 90% POCO usage on two cards and a respectable number of native plugins =
at 1024 buffers when I'm mixing with no dropouts.=20
I'm digging this DAW. I just didn't think it had the capabilities to =
really function efficiently with Cubase Control Room and never really =
tried it because I had a monster cue system in place before Cubase 4 =
came out.=20
I may have have misunderestimated the capabilities of this system. I =
don't quite have my head around the CR function yet though. For some =
reason, I'm not hearing the input signal in the cans, though the click =
is working.=20
Crap!!! I guess I'm actually gonna have to RTFM
If I can satisfy myself that this will work reliably, I'll post up my =
specs in detail here in case someone wants to build a relatively =
inexpensive native DAW with lots of potential.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"I think" my little dual opteron 185 =
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Any further tracking would be dubbing maybe 1 or two tracks while =
playing back=20
the prerecorded tracks. this also looks pretty simple if I'm not using =
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all for=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'll tell you what........if I can =
get this CR=20
function going and it's working nicely, and if you can find the =
mobo I=20
use, this will be a very powerful, UAD-1/Powercore w/ Magma DSP=20
friendly and economic DAW to build for a native system. I'm =
slamming the=20
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and the NForce chipset just shrugs it off. I can playback 40 tracks =
with a 90%=20
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number of=20
native plugins at 1024 buffers when I'm mixing with no dropouts. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm digging this DAW. I just didn't =
think it had=20
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Room and=20
never really tried it because I had a monster cue system in place =
before=20
Cubase 4 came out. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I may have have =
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function=20
yet though. For some reason, I'm not hearing the input signal in the =
cans,=20
though the click is working. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Crap!!! I guess I'm actually gonna =
have to=20
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will work=20
reliably, I'll post up my specs in detail here in case someone wants =
to build=20
a relatively inexpensive native DAW with lots of =
potential.</FONT></DIV>
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Ok I got the deal with adding FX to a cue mix using the control room =
function. You add the FX channel, then right above it you enable it for =
the control room, then add it as a send for whatever channels as you =
normally would. Works great. I can still hear a tiny it of latency at =
3ms (128k buffers) but once you mix in a little reverb, it is no longer =
noticable. My rig it cruising along at about 30-40%=20
CPU use with 20 tracks playing back and 4 tracks record enabled. I've =
got the plugin latency constrained to 3ms and this is working just fine. =
I really didn't expect that I'd like this control room function nearly =
as much as I do. I've got a feeling that I'm going to be using it =
exclusively from now on.
What's really interesting is that the RME ADI 8-DS line outputs are so =
hot at +4/unity that I can just plug one of these:
http://www.amazon.com/HOSA-STEREO-PHONE-1-TIP-1-RING/dp/B000 068O5D/ref=3D=
sr_1_8?ie=3DUTF8&s=3Delectronics&qid=3D1206331353&am p;sr=3D1-8
into a stereo pair of outputs and plug a set cans into it (even older =
AKG 240 600 ohm cans) and there is plenty of drive to get a nice =
headphone mix without a dedicated headphone amp if there's no loud =
source in the tracking area. Of course, once I get a drum kit involved, =
I might need one, but if I use 24 ohm Sony MDR-V900 cans, I might not.
Anyone recommend a high quality headphone amp with 4 outputs?
Deej
"Mr. Simplicity" <noway@jose.net> wrote in message =
news:47e5c8dd$1@linux...
"I think" my little dual opteron 185 is gonna have plenty of =
horsepower to track 20 inputs simultaneously at 3ms latency. Any further =
tracking would be dubbing maybe 1 or two tracks while playing back the =
prerecorded tracks. this also looks pretty simple if I'm not using a =
heavy load of UAD-1 plugins. If I were to use them, I can disable them =
all for dubs in the UA control panel.=20
I'll tell you what........if I can get this CR function going and it's =
working nicely, and if you can find the mobo I use, this will be a very =
powerful, UAD-1/Powercore w/ Magma DSP friendly and economic DAW to =
build for a native system. I'm slamming the PCI bus with 9 devices ( 4 x =
UAD-1's, 2 POCO's and 3 RME HDSP cards) during mixdown cramming enough =
bandwidth through the bus to choke an elephant and the NForce chipset =
just shrugs it off. I can playback 40 tracks with a 90% UAD-1 DSP usage, =
a 90% POCO usage on two cards and a respectable number of native plugins =
at 1024 buffers when I'm mixing with no dropouts.=20
I'm digging this DAW. I just didn't think it had the capabilities to =
really function efficiently with Cubase Control Room and never really =
tried it because I had a monster cue system in place before Cubase 4 =
came out.=20
I may have have misunderestimated the capabilities of this system. I =
don't quite have my head around the CR function yet though. For some =
reason, I'm not hearing the input signal in the cans, though the click =
is working.=20
Crap!!! I guess I'm actually gonna have to RTFM
If I can satisfy myself that this will work reliably, I'll post up my =
specs in detail here in case someone wants to build a relatively =
inexpensive native DAW with lots of potential.
;)
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enable it for the control room, then add it as a send for whatever =
channels as=20
you normally would. Works great. I can still hear a tiny it of latency =
at 3ms=20
(128k buffers) but once you mix in a little reverb, it is no longer =
noticable.=20
My rig it cruising along at about 30-40% <BR>CPU use with 20 tracks =
playing back=20
and 4 tracks record enabled. I've got the plugin latency constrained to =
3ms and=20
this is working just fine. I really didn't expect that I'd like this =
control=20
room function nearly as much as I do. I've got a feeling that I'm going =
to be=20
using it exclusively from now on.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What's really interesting is that the =
RME ADI 8-DS=20
line outputs are so hot at +4/unity that I can just plug one of=20
these:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D" http://www.amazon.com/HOSA-STEREO-PHONE-1-TIP-1-RING/dp/B000 068O5=
D/ref=3Dsr_1_8?ie=3DUTF8&s=3Delectronics&qid =3D1206331353&sr=3D=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>into a stereo pair of outputs and plug =
a set cans=20
into it (even older AKG 240 600 ohm cans) and there is plenty of drive =
to get a=20
nice headphone mix without a dedicated headphone amp if there's no loud =
source=20
in the tracking area. Of course, once I get a drum kit involved, I might =
need=20
one, but if I use 24 ohm Sony MDR-V900 cans, I might not.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Anyone recommend a high quality =
headphone amp with=20
4 outputs?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deej</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>"Mr. Simplicity" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:noway@jose.net">noway@jose.net</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
href=3D"news:47e5c8dd$1@linux">news:47e5c8dd$1@linux</A>...</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"I think" my little dual opteron 185 =
is gonna=20
have plenty of horsepower to track 20 inputs simultaneously at 3ms =
latency.=20
Any further tracking would be dubbing maybe 1 or two tracks while =
playing back=20
the prerecorded tracks. this also looks pretty simple if I'm not using =
a heavy=20
load of UAD-1 plugins. If I were to use them, I can disable them =
all for=20
dubs in the UA control panel. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'll tell you what........if I can =
get this CR=20
function going and it's working nicely, and if you can find the =
mobo I=20
use, this will be a very powerful, UAD-1/Powercore w/ Magma DSP=20
friendly and economic DAW to build for a native system. I'm =
slamming the=20
PCI bus with 9 devices ( 4 x UAD-1's, 2 POCO's and 3 RME =
HDSP cards)=20
during mixdown cramming enough bandwidth through the bus to choke an =
elephant=20
and the NForce chipset just shrugs it off. I can playback 40 tracks =
with a 90%=20
UAD-1 DSP usage, a 90% POCO usage on two cards and a respectable =
number of=20
native plugins at 1024 buffers when I'm mixing with no dropouts. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm digging this DAW. I just didn't =
think it had=20
the capabilities to really function efficiently with Cubase Control =
Room and=20
never really tried it because I had a monster cue system in place =
before=20
Cubase 4 came out. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I may have have =
<EM>misunderestimated</EM> the=20
capabilities of this system. I don't quite have my head around the CR =
function=20
yet though. For some reason, I'm not hearing the input signal in the =
cans,=20
though the click is working. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Crap!!! I guess I'm actually gonna =
have to=20
RTFM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If I can satisfy myself that this =
will work=20
reliably, I'll post up my specs in detail here in case someone wants =
to build=20
a relatively inexpensive native DAW with lots of =
potential.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
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Mon, 24 March 2008 02:07 |
rick
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i have no idea with cubase but with logic if you have any plugs on the
mains then there is latency. muting or removing them resolves the
issue.
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 22:12:42 -0600, "Mr. Simplicity" <noway@jose.net>
wrote:
>Ok I got the deal with adding FX to a cue mix using the control room function. You add the FX channel, then right above it you enable it for the control room, then add it as a send for whatever channels as you normally would. Works great. I can still hear a tiny it of latency at 3ms (128k buffers) but once you mix in a little reverb, it is no longer noticable. My rig it cruising along at about 30-40%
>CPU use with 20 tracks playing back and 4 tracks record enabled. I've got the plugin latency constrained to 3ms and this is working just fine. I really didn't expect that I'd like this control room function nearly as much as I do. I've got a feeling that I'm going to be using it exclusively from now on.
>
>What's really interesting is that the RME ADI 8-DS line outputs are so hot at +4/unity that I can just plug one of these:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/HOSA-STEREO-PHONE-1-TIP-1-RING/dp/B000 068O5D/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=12063313 53&sr=1-8
>
>into a stereo pair of outputs and plug a set cans into it (even older AKG 240 600 ohm cans) and there is plenty of drive to get a nice headphone mix without a dedicated headphone amp if there's no loud source in the tracking area. Of course, once I get a drum kit involved, I might need one, but if I use 24 ohm Sony MDR-V900 cans, I might not.
>
>Anyone recommend a high quality headphone amp with 4 outputs?
>
>Deej
>
>"Mr. Simplicity" <noway@jose.net> wrote in message news:47e5c8dd$1@linux...
> "I think" my little dual opteron 185 is gonna have plenty of horsepower to track 20 inputs simultaneously at 3ms latency. Any further tracking would be dubbing maybe 1 or two tracks while playing back the prerecorded tracks. this also looks pretty simple if I'm not using a heavy load of UAD-1 plugins. If I were to use them, I can disable them all for dubs in the UA control panel.
>
> I'll tell you what........if I can get this CR function going and it's working nicely, and if you can find the mobo I use, this will be a very powerful, UAD-1/Powercore w/ Magma DSP friendly and economic DAW to build for a native system. I'm slamming the PCI bus with 9 devices ( 4 x UAD-1's, 2 POCO's and 3 RME HDSP cards) during mixdown cramming enough bandwidth through the bus to choke an elephant and the NForce chipset just shrugs it off. I can playback 40 tracks with a 90% UAD-1 DSP usage, a 90% POCO usage on two cards and a respectable number of native plugins at 1024 buffers when I'm mixing with no dropouts.
>
> I'm digging this DAW. I just didn't think it had the capabilities to really function efficiently with Cubase Control Room and never really tried it because I had a monster cue system in place before Cubase 4 came out.
>
> I may have have misunderestimated the capabilities of this system. I don't quite have my head around the CR function yet though. For some reason, I'm not hearing the input signal in the cans, though the click is working.
>
> Crap!!! I guess I'm actually gonna have to RTFM
>
> If I can satisfy myself that this will work reliably, I'll post up my specs in detail here in case someone wants to build a relatively inexpensive native DAW with lots of potential.
>
> ;)
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Bill L
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I recommend going the old fashioned route and use a regular small power
amp with headphone boxes. I've used ProCo HJ4Ps for years with an old
Crown and an old Hafler amp and they work great. String 'em up with mic
cables or make XLR speaker cables. OTOH don't use power amps with those
crappy Sony cans (8 pairs, all blew).
Mr. Simplicity wrote:
> Ok I got the deal with adding FX to a cue mix using the control room
> function. You add the FX channel, then right above it you enable it for
> the control room, then add it as a send for whatever channels as you
> normally would. Works great. I can still hear a tiny it of latency at
> 3ms (128k buffers) but once you mix in a little reverb, it is no longer
> noticable. My rig it cruising along at about 30-40%
> CPU use with 20 tracks playing back and 4 tracks record enabled. I've
> got the plugin latency constrained to 3ms and this is working just fine.
> I really didn't expect that I'd like this control room function nearly
> as much as I do. I've got a feeling that I'm going to be using it
> exclusively from now on.
>
> What's really interesting is that the RME ADI 8-DS line outputs are so
> hot at +4/unity that I can just plug one of these:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/HOSA-STEREO-PHONE-1-TIP-1-RING/dp/B000 068O5D/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=12063313 53&sr=1-8
> < http://www.amazon.com/HOSA-STEREO-PHONE-1-TIP-1-RING/dp/B000 068O5D/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=12063313 53&sr=1-8>
>
> into a stereo pair of outputs and plug a set cans into it (even older
> AKG 240 600 ohm cans) and there is plenty of drive to get a nice
> headphone mix without a dedicated headphone amp if there's no loud
> source in the tracking area. Of course, once I get a drum kit involved,
> I might need one, but if I use 24 ohm Sony MDR-V900 cans, I might not.
>
> Anyone recommend a high quality headphone amp with 4 outputs?
>
> Deej
>
> "Mr. Simplicity" <noway@jose.net <mailto:noway@jose.net>> wrote in
> message news:47e5c8dd$1@linux...
>
> "I think" my little dual opteron 185 is gonna have plenty of
> horsepower to track 20 inputs simultaneously at 3ms latency. Any
> further tracking would be dubbing maybe 1 or two tracks while
> playing back the prerecorded tracks. this also looks pretty simple
> if I'm not using a heavy load of UAD-1 plugins. If I were to use
> them, I can disable them all for dubs in the UA control panel.
>
> I'll tell you what........if I can get this CR function going and
> it's working nicely, and if you can find the mobo I use, this will
> be a very powerful, UAD-1/Powercore w/ Magma DSP friendly and
> economic DAW to build for a native system. I'm slamming the PCI bus
> with 9 devices ( 4 x UAD-1's, 2 POCO's and 3 RME HDSP cards) during
> mixdown cramming enough bandwidth through the bus to choke an
> elephant and the NForce chipset just shrugs it off. I can playback
> 40 tracks with a 90% UAD-1 DSP usage, a 90% POCO usage on two cards
> and a respectable number of native plugins at 1024 buffers when I'm
> mixing with no dropouts.
>
> I'm digging this DAW. I just didn't think it had the capabilities to
> really function efficiently with Cubase Control Room and never
> really tried it because I had a monster cue system in place before
> Cubase 4 came out.
>
> I may have have /misunderestimated/ the capabilities of this system.
> I don't quite have my head around the CR function yet though. For
> some reason, I'm not hearing the input signal in the cans, though
> the click is working.
>
> Crap!!! I guess I'm actually gonna have to RTFM
>
> If I can satisfy myself that this will work reliably, I'll post up
> my specs in detail here in case someone wants to build a relatively
> inexpensive native DAW with lots of potential.
>
> ;)
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| Re: Cubase control room..... [message #97430 is a reply to message #97421] |
Mon, 24 March 2008 19:40 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
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Hate to admit it, but the most robust cans I have owned have all been
Koss/rebadged (IE Radio Shack) Koss.
AA
"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:47e7fa2f$1@linux...
>I recommend going the old fashioned route and use a regular small power amp
>with headphone boxes. I've used ProCo HJ4Ps for years with an old Crown and
>an old Hafler amp and they work great. String 'em up with mic cables or
>make XLR speaker cables. OTOH don't use power amps with those crappy Sony
>cans (8 pairs, all blew).
>
> Mr. Simplicity wrote:
>> Ok I got the deal with adding FX to a cue mix using the control room
>> function. You add the FX channel, then right above it you enable it for
>> the control room, then add it as a send for whatever channels as you
>> normally would. Works great. I can still hear a tiny it of latency at 3ms
>> (128k buffers) but once you mix in a little reverb, it is no longer
>> noticable. My rig it cruising along at about 30-40%
>> CPU use with 20 tracks playing back and 4 tracks record enabled. I've got
>> the plugin latency constrained to 3ms and this is working just fine. I
>> really didn't expect that I'd like this control room function nearly as
>> much as I do. I've got a feeling that I'm going to be using it
>> exclusively from now on.
>> What's really interesting is that the RME ADI 8-DS line outputs are so
>> hot at +4/unity that I can just plug one of these:
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/HOSA-STEREO-PHONE-1-TIP-1-RING/dp/B000 068O5D/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=12063313 53&sr=1-8
>> < http://www.amazon.com/HOSA-STEREO-PHONE-1-TIP-1-RING/dp/B000 068O5D/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=12063313 53&sr=1-8>
>> into a stereo pair of outputs and plug a set cans into it (even older
>> AKG 240 600 ohm cans) and there is plenty of drive to get a nice
>> headphone mix without a dedicated headphone amp if there's no loud source
>> in the tracking area. Of course, once I get a drum kit involved, I might
>> need one, but if I use 24 ohm Sony MDR-V900 cans, I might not.
>> Anyone recommend a high quality headphone amp with 4 outputs?
>> Deej
>> "Mr. Simplicity" <noway@jose.net <mailto:noway@jose.net>> wrote in
>> message news:47e5c8dd$1@linux...
>>
>> "I think" my little dual opteron 185 is gonna have plenty of
>> horsepower to track 20 inputs simultaneously at 3ms latency. Any
>> further tracking would be dubbing maybe 1 or two tracks while
>> playing back the prerecorded tracks. this also looks pretty simple
>> if I'm not using a heavy load of UAD-1 plugins. If I were to use
>> them, I can disable them all for dubs in the UA control panel.
>> I'll tell you what........if I can get this CR function going and
>> it's working nicely, and if you can find the mobo I use, this will
>> be a very powerful, UAD-1/Powercore w/ Magma DSP friendly and
>> economic DAW to build for a native system. I'm slamming the PCI bus
>> with 9 devices ( 4 x UAD-1's, 2 POCO's and 3 RME HDSP cards) during
>> mixdown cramming enough bandwidth through the bus to choke an
>> elephant and the NForce chipset just shrugs it off. I can playback
>> 40 tracks with a 90% UAD-1 DSP usage, a 90% POCO usage on two cards
>> and a respectable number of native plugins at 1024 buffers when I'm
>> mixing with no dropouts.
>> I'm digging this DAW. I just didn't think it had the capabilities to
>> really function efficiently with Cubase Control Room and never
>> really tried it because I had a monster cue system in place before
>> Cubase 4 came out. I may have have /misunderestimated/ the
>> capabilities of this system.
>> I don't quite have my head around the CR function yet though. For
>> some reason, I'm not hearing the input signal in the cans, though
>> the click is working. Crap!!! I guess I'm actually gonna have to RTFM
>> If I can satisfy myself that this will work reliably, I'll post up
>> my specs in detail here in case someone wants to build a relatively
>> inexpensive native DAW with lots of potential.
>> ;)
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| Re: Cubase control room..... [message #97453 is a reply to message #97404] |
Tue, 25 March 2008 10:22 |
EK Sound
Messages: 939
Registered: June 2005
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As Bill mentioned, standard small power amps work really well (we use
Crown D40, 60, 70 and 150 here). I would however add a 100 Ohm, 50W
ceramic power resistor to each + output to current limit the signal to
the cans. This will also allow you to load more cans on one line. If
you want a stand-alone multi-channel HP amp, I just picked up a Presonus
HP-60 for the location rig that seems to work pretty well. It is good
sounding and has some nice features.
http://www.presonus.com/products/Detail.aspx?ProductId=6
The only caviet for this unit ( and many others ) is the stated 60 Ohm
minimum. The output at 600 Ohms is OK, but not much headroom left.
I would go the amp route myself...
David.
Mr. Simplicity wrote:
> Ok I got the deal with adding FX to a cue mix using the control room
> function. You add the FX channel, then right above it you enable it for
> the control room, then add it as a send for whatever channels as you
> normally would. Works great. I can still hear a tiny it of latency at
> 3ms (128k buffers) but once you mix in a little reverb, it is no longer
> noticable. My rig it cruising along at about 30-40%
> CPU use with 20 tracks playing back and 4 tracks record enabled. I've
> got the plugin latency constrained to 3ms and this is working just fine.
> I really didn't expect that I'd like this control room function nearly
> as much as I do. I've got a feeling that I'm going to be using it
> exclusively from now on.
>
> What's really interesting is that the RME ADI 8-DS line outputs are so
> hot at +4/unity that I can just plug one of these:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/HOSA-STEREO-PHONE-1-TIP-1-RING/dp/B000 068O5D/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=12063313 53&sr=1-8
> < http://www.amazon.com/HOSA-STEREO-PHONE-1-TIP-1-RING/dp/B000 068O5D/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=12063313 53&sr=1-8>
>
> into a stereo pair of outputs and plug a set cans into it (even older
> AKG 240 600 ohm cans) and there is plenty of drive to get a nice
> headphone mix without a dedicated headphone amp if there's no loud
> source in the tracking area. Of course, once I get a drum kit involved,
> I might need one, but if I use 24 ohm Sony MDR-V900 cans, I might not.
>
> Anyone recommend a high quality headphone amp with 4 outputs?
>
> Deej
>
> "Mr. Simplicity" <noway@jose.net <mailto:noway@jose.net>> wrote in
> message news:47e5c8dd$1@linux...
>
> "I think" my little dual opteron 185 is gonna have plenty of
> horsepower to track 20 inputs simultaneously at 3ms latency. Any
> further tracking would be dubbing maybe 1 or two tracks while
> playing back the prerecorded tracks. this also looks pretty simple
> if I'm not using a heavy load of UAD-1 plugins. If I were to use
> them, I can disable them all for dubs in the UA control panel.
>
> I'll tell you what........if I can get this CR function going and
> it's working nicely, and if you can find the mobo I use, this will
> be a very powerful, UAD-1/Powercore w/ Magma DSP friendly and
> economic DAW to build for a native system. I'm slamming the PCI bus
> with 9 devices ( 4 x UAD-1's, 2 POCO's and 3 RME HDSP cards) during
> mixdown cramming enough bandwidth through the bus to choke an
> elephant and the NForce chipset just shrugs it off. I can playback
> 40 tracks with a 90% UAD-1 DSP usage, a 90% POCO usage on two cards
> and a respectable number of native plugins at 1024 buffers when I'm
> mixing with no dropouts.
>
> I'm digging this DAW. I just didn't think it had the capabilities to
> really function efficiently with Cubase Control Room and never
> really tried it because I had a monster cue system in place before
> Cubase 4 came out.
>
> I may have have misunderestimated the capabilities of this system. I
> don't quite have my head around the CR function yet though. For some
> reason, I'm not hearing the input signal in the cans, though the
> click is working.
>
> Crap!!! I guess I'm actually gonna have to RTFM
>
> If I can satisfy myself that this will work reliably, I'll post up
> my specs in detail here in case someone wants to build a relatively
> inexpensive native DAW with lots of potential.
>
> ;)
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| Re: Cubase control room..... [message #97456 is a reply to message #97453] |
Tue, 25 March 2008 10:46 |
Deej [5]
Messages: 373
Registered: March 2008
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"EK Sound" <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote in message news:47e9374e@linux...
> As Bill mentioned, standard small power amps work really well (we use
> Crown D40, 60, 70 and 150 here). I would however add a 100 Ohm, 50W
> ceramic power resistor to each + output to current limit the signal to the
> cans. This will also allow you to load more cans on one line. If you
> want a stand-alone multi-channel HP amp, I just picked up a Presonus HP-60
> for the location rig that seems to work pretty well. It is good sounding
> and has some nice features.
>
> http://www.presonus.com/products/Detail.aspx?ProductId=6
>
> The only caviet for this unit ( and many others ) is the stated 60 Ohm
> minimum. The output at 600 Ohms is OK, but not much headroom left.
>
> I would go the amp route myself...
>
> David.
>
Dave,
I'm currently using a Furman HDS-16 system with 5 x HRM-16 remote mixers.
Each HRM 16 mixer has an outboard reverb unit so the talent can control
their own levels. This is a very capable cue system when used with RME
totalmix but I often find that the client will get frustrated and a bit put
off when offered the ability to create their own headphone mix. As cool as
the concept is, I usually have to go out and plug a second set of cans into
their HRM-16 and dial in their mix for them while they're playing until they
give me the green light. They don't want to be the engineer and that's
understandable. I could do this for them faster and with a better result
using an analog mixer and my high-end hardware reverbs when all is said and
done.
Also, there are some things about using RME Totalmix that stick in my craw.
I have been experimenting with the Cubase Control room functionality in
Cubase 4.3x. I hear a very tiny bit of phasing at 3ms latency but it's my
critical listening and when I switch between ASIO direct monitoring and the
control room function in Cubase I don't hear anything overwhelmingly
negative....just a difference. Once I route the cue mix to one of my
outboard reverbs and add just a touch when tracking the problem is solved
anyway. The Quantec seems to be the reverb of choice for vocalists to hear
in their cans when tracking and due to it's AES I/O only, it's a PITA to use
with the Furman system anyway.
If I'm in the initial tracking stages of a project and am just tracking a
few performers without a heavy playback load, my system is capable of
working efficiently at 64k buffers (1.5) ms and there is really no audible
latency at all to my ears. And I could always bounce a mix to stereo and
import it to a new project for final critical vocal OD's if I needed to dub
a large playback count at 64k buffers. Eventually, I'll get myself a quad
core moose of a computer and this wouldn't be as much of an issue anyway.
I'm liking the options that Cubase control room has made available. The
functionalities would eliminate a lot of the hardware I have here for
workarounds that provide something similar to console routing/monitoring
that, as nice as it is and as big a "wow" factor as it provides, it's a lot
to deal with since it's not all integrated into a single mixer. I'm
considering selling the large Furman system and some of the anciliary pieces
that I have here. I don't think I will need them and I think I can preserve
the level of cue mix fidelity I have now with a much simplified setup.
I have found that the RME ADI 8-DS D/A converters have adequate drive at
+4/unity and that it may simplify things to provide the performer, on
station, with their own attenuation capabilities as well as gain, depending
on the type of cans they are using. I just did an experiment interfacing one
of these:
http://www.amazon.com/HOSA-STEREO-PH...6331353&sr=1-8
to the outputs of a pair of D/A's, plugging in a 25' long TRS cable to reach
the tracking area and interfacing it with one of these that I had here:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...l_Monitor.html
I was surprised that the fidelity was comprable to the HRM-16 if the unit
was not driven to extremes (the HRM-16 isn't exactly pristine when driven
too hard either, though it does have a little bit more headroom)
Adding one of these to each of the four studio channel cue outputs would
allow 4 separate cue mixes or 8 x performers to share 4 x stations in a way
similar to the HDS-16/HRM-16 cue system. It would certainly simplify things
around here and drastically reduce the cable clutter quotient.
;o)
Deej
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| Re: Cubase control room..... [message #97457 is a reply to message #97456] |
Tue, 25 March 2008 11:15 |
EK Sound
Messages: 939
Registered: June 2005
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Senior Member |
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Dude, you SO need a console... :-)
David.
Mr. Simplicity wrote:
> "EK Sound" <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote in message news:47e9374e@linux...
>
>>As Bill mentioned, standard small power amps work really well (we use
>>Crown D40, 60, 70 and 150 here). I would however add a 100 Ohm, 50W
>>ceramic power resistor to each + output to current limit the signal to the
>>cans. This will also allow you to load more cans on one line. If you
>>want a stand-alone multi-channel HP amp, I just picked up a Presonus HP-60
>>for the location rig that seems to work pretty well. It is good sounding
>>and has some nice features.
>>
>>http://www.presonus.com/products/Detail.aspx?ProductId=6
>>
>>The only caviet for this unit ( and many others ) is the stated 60 Ohm
>>minimum. The output at 600 Ohms is OK, but not much headroom left.
>>
>>I would go the amp route myself...
>>
>>David.
>>
>
>
> Dave,
>
> I'm currently using a Furman HDS-16 system with 5 x HRM-16 remote mixers.
> Each HRM 16 mixer has an outboard reverb unit so the talent can control
> their own levels. This is a very capable cue system when used with RME
> totalmix but I often find that the client will get frustrated and a bit put
> off when offered the ability to create their own headphone mix. As cool as
> the concept is, I usually have to go out and plug a second set of cans into
> their HRM-16 and dial in their mix for them while they're playing until they
> give me the green light. They don't want to be the engineer and that's
> understandable. I could do this for them faster and with a better result
> using an analog mixer and my high-end hardware reverbs when all is said and
> done.
>
> Also, there are some things about using RME Totalmix that stick in my craw.
> I have been experimenting with the Cubase Control room functionality in
> Cubase 4.3x. I hear a very tiny bit of phasing at 3ms latency but it's my
> critical listening and when I switch between ASIO direct monitoring and the
> control room function in Cubase I don't hear anything overwhelmingly
> negative....just a difference. Once I route the cue mix to one of my
> outboard reverbs and add just a touch when tracking the problem is solved
> anyway. The Quantec seems to be the reverb of choice for vocalists to hear
> in their cans when tracking and due to it's AES I/O only, it's a PITA to use
> with the Furman system anyway.
>
> If I'm in the initial tracking stages of a project and am just tracking a
> few performers without a heavy playback load, my system is capable of
> working efficiently at 64k buffers (1.5) ms and there is really no audible
> latency at all to my ears. And I could always bounce a mix to stereo and
> import it to a new project for final critical vocal OD's if I needed to dub
> a large playback count at 64k buffers. Eventually, I'll get myself a quad
> core moose of a computer and this wouldn't be as much of an issue anyway.
>
> I'm liking the options that Cubase control room has made available. The
> functionalities would eliminate a lot of the hardware I have here for
> workarounds that provide something similar to console routing/monitoring
> that, as nice as it is and as big a "wow" factor as it provides, it's a lot
> to deal with since it's not all integrated into a single mixer. I'm
> considering selling the large Furman system and some of the anciliary pieces
> that I have here. I don't think I will need them and I think I can preserve
> the level of cue mix fidelity I have now with a much simplified setup.
>
> I have found that the RME ADI 8-DS D/A converters have adequate drive at
> +4/unity and that it may simplify things to provide the performer, on
> station, with their own attenuation capabilities as well as gain, depending
> on the type of cans they are using. I just did an experiment interfacing one
> of these:
> http://www.amazon.com/HOSA-STEREO-PH...6331353&sr=1-8
> to the outputs of a pair of D/A's, plugging in a 25' long TRS cable to reach
> the tracking area and interfacing it with one of these that I had here:
>
> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...l_Monitor.html
>
> I was surprised that the fidelity was comprable to the HRM-16 if the unit
> was not driven to extremes (the HRM-16 isn't exactly pristine when driven
> too hard either, though it does have a little bit more headroom)
>
> Adding one of these to each of the four studio channel cue outputs would
> allow 4 separate cue mixes or 8 x performers to share 4 x stations in a way
> similar to the HDS-16/HRM-16 cue system. It would certainly simplify things
> around here and drastically reduce the cable clutter quotient.
>
>
> ;o)
> Deej
>
>
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| Re: Cubase control room..... [message #97459 is a reply to message #97456] |
Tue, 25 March 2008 11:43 |
Bill L
Messages: 766
Registered: August 2006
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Senior Member |
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That Furman unit sounds super cool but I can understand people not
knowing how to dial in their own mix. I think you should train your wife
up and have her run a Midas monitor board from stage right, er, the
kitchen.
Funny, Les Paul had a setup with his wife Mary Ford for her to do vocal
overdubs from the kitchen in their house (supposedly).
Mr. Simplicity wrote:
> "EK Sound" <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote in message news:47e9374e@linux...
>> As Bill mentioned, standard small power amps work really well (we use
>> Crown D40, 60, 70 and 150 here). I would however add a 100 Ohm, 50W
>> ceramic power resistor to each + output to current limit the signal to the
>> cans. This will also allow you to load more cans on one line. If you
>> want a stand-alone multi-channel HP amp, I just picked up a Presonus HP-60
>> for the location rig that seems to work pretty well. It is good sounding
>> and has some nice features.
>>
>> http://www.presonus.com/products/Detail.aspx?ProductId=6
>>
>> The only caviet for this unit ( and many others ) is the stated 60 Ohm
>> minimum. The output at 600 Ohms is OK, but not much headroom left.
>>
>> I would go the amp route myself...
>>
>> David.
>>
>
> Dave,
>
> I'm currently using a Furman HDS-16 system with 5 x HRM-16 remote mixers.
> Each HRM 16 mixer has an outboard reverb unit so the talent can control
> their own levels. This is a very capable cue system when used with RME
> totalmix but I often find that the client will get frustrated and a bit put
> off when offered the ability to create their own headphone mix. As cool as
> the concept is, I usually have to go out and plug a second set of cans into
> their HRM-16 and dial in their mix for them while they're playing until they
> give me the green light. They don't want to be the engineer and that's
> understandable. I could do this for them faster and with a better result
> using an analog mixer and my high-end hardware reverbs when all is said and
> done.
>
> Also, there are some things about using RME Totalmix that stick in my craw.
> I have been experimenting with the Cubase Control room functionality in
> Cubase 4.3x. I hear a very tiny bit of phasing at 3ms latency but it's my
> critical listening and when I switch between ASIO direct monitoring and the
> control room function in Cubase I don't hear anything overwhelmingly
> negative....just a difference. Once I route the cue mix to one of my
> outboard reverbs and add just a touch when tracking the problem is solved
> anyway. The Quantec seems to be the reverb of choice for vocalists to hear
> in their cans when tracking and due to it's AES I/O only, it's a PITA to use
> with the Furman system anyway.
>
> If I'm in the initial tracking stages of a project and am just tracking a
> few performers without a heavy playback load, my system is capable of
> working efficiently at 64k buffers (1.5) ms and there is really no audible
> latency at all to my ears. And I could always bounce a mix to stereo and
> import it to a new project for final critical vocal OD's if I needed to dub
> a large playback count at 64k buffers. Eventually, I'll get myself a quad
> core moose of a computer and this wouldn't be as much of an issue anyway.
>
> I'm liking the options that Cubase control room has made available. The
> functionalities would eliminate a lot of the hardware I have here for
> workarounds that provide something similar to console routing/monitoring
> that, as nice as it is and as big a "wow" factor as it provides, it's a lot
> to deal with since it's not all integrated into a single mixer. I'm
> considering selling the large Furman system and some of the anciliary pieces
> that I have here. I don't think I will need them and I think I can preserve
> the level of cue mix fidelity I have now with a much simplified setup.
>
> I have found that the RME ADI 8-DS D/A converters have adequate drive at
> +4/unity and that it may simplify things to provide the performer, on
> station, with their own attenuation capabilities as well as gain, depending
> on the type of cans they are using. I just did an experiment interfacing one
> of these:
> http://www.amazon.com/HOSA-STEREO-PH...6331353&sr=1-8
> to the outputs of a pair of D/A's, plugging in a 25' long TRS cable to reach
> the tracking area and interfacing it with one of these that I had here:
>
> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...l_Monitor.html
>
> I was surprised that the fidelity was comprable to the HRM-16 if the unit
> was not driven to extremes (the HRM-16 isn't exactly pristine when driven
> too hard either, though it does have a little bit more headroom)
>
> Adding one of these to each of the four studio channel cue outputs would
> allow 4 separate cue mixes or 8 x performers to share 4 x stations in a way
> similar to the HDS-16/HRM-16 cue system. It would certainly simplify things
> around here and drastically reduce the cable clutter quotient.
>
>
> ;o)
> Deej
>
>
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| Re: Cubase control room..... [message #97460 is a reply to message #97459] |
Tue, 25 March 2008 12:25 |
Deej [5]
Messages: 373
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"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:47e94a98@linux...
> That Furman unit sounds super cool but I can understand people not knowing
> how to dial in their own mix.
My wife was the first one to complain about this years ago. she doesn't want
mix, she wants to play her guitar and sing. I spend around $2k to put
together a system that allows the performers to enginer themselves and they
don't appreciate it?????.........WTF is that all about?
;o)
I think you should train your wife
> up and have her run a Midas monitor board from stage right, er, the
> kitchen.
>
> Funny, Les Paul had a setup with his wife Mary Ford for her to do vocal
> overdubs from the kitchen in their house (supposedly).
>
> Mr. Simplicity wrote:
>> "EK Sound" <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote in message news:47e9374e@linux...
>>> As Bill mentioned, standard small power amps work really well (we use
>>> Crown D40, 60, 70 and 150 here). I would however add a 100 Ohm, 50W
>>> ceramic power resistor to each + output to current limit the signal to
>>> the cans. This will also allow you to load more cans on one line. If
>>> you want a stand-alone multi-channel HP amp, I just picked up a Presonus
>>> HP-60 for the location rig that seems to work pretty well. It is good
>>> sounding and has some nice features.
>>>
>>> http://www.presonus.com/products/Detail.aspx?ProductId=6
>>>
>>> The only caviet for this unit ( and many others ) is the stated 60 Ohm
>>> minimum. The output at 600 Ohms is OK, but not much headroom left.
>>>
>>> I would go the amp route myself...
>>>
>>> David.
>>>
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> I'm currently using a Furman HDS-16 system with 5 x HRM-16 remote mixers.
>> Each HRM 16 mixer has an outboard reverb unit so the talent can control
>> their own levels. This is a very capable cue system when used with RME
>> totalmix but I often find that the client will get frustrated and a bit
>> put off when offered the ability to create their own headphone mix. As
>> cool as the concept is, I usually have to go out and plug a second set of
>> cans into their HRM-16 and dial in their mix for them while they're
>> playing until they give me the green light. They don't want to be the
>> engineer and that's understandable. I could do this for them faster and
>> with a better result using an analog mixer and my high-end hardware
>> reverbs when all is said and done.
>>
>> Also, there are some things about using RME Totalmix that stick in my
>> craw. I have been experimenting with the Cubase Control room
>> functionality in Cubase 4.3x. I hear a very tiny bit of phasing at 3ms
>> latency but it's my critical listening and when I switch between ASIO
>> direct monitoring and the control room function in Cubase I don't hear
>> anything overwhelmingly negative....just a difference. Once I route the
>> cue mix to one of my outboard reverbs and add just a touch when tracking
>> the problem is solved anyway. The Quantec seems to be the reverb of
>> choice for vocalists to hear in their cans when tracking and due to it's
>> AES I/O only, it's a PITA to use with the Furman system anyway.
>>
>> If I'm in the initial tracking stages of a project and am just tracking a
>> few performers without a heavy playback load, my system is capable of
>> working efficiently at 64k buffers (1.5) ms and there is really no
>> audible latency at all to my ears. And I could always bounce a mix to
>> stereo and import it to a new project for final critical vocal OD's if I
>> needed to dub a large playback count at 64k buffers. Eventually, I'll get
>> myself a quad core moose of a computer and this wouldn't be as much of an
>> issue anyway.
>>
>> I'm liking the options that Cubase control room has made available. The
>> functionalities would eliminate a lot of the hardware I have here for
>> workarounds that provide something similar to console routing/monitoring
>> that, as nice as it is and as big a "wow" factor as it provides, it's a
>> lot to deal with since it's not all integrated into a single mixer. I'm
>> considering selling the large Furman system and some of the anciliary
>> pieces that I have here. I don't think I will need them and I think I can
>> preserve the level of cue mix fidelity I have now with a much simplified
>> setup.
>>
>> I have found that the RME ADI 8-DS D/A converters have adequate drive at
>> +4/unity and that it may simplify things to provide the performer, on
>> station, with their own attenuation capabilities as well as gain,
>> depending on the type of cans they are using. I just did an experiment
>> interfacing one of these:
>> http://www.amazon.com/HOSA-STEREO-PH...6331353&sr=1-8
>> to the outputs of a pair of D/A's, plugging in a 25' long TRS cable to
>> reach the tracking area and interfacing it with one of these that I had
>> here:
>>
>> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...l_Monitor.html
>>
>> I was surprised that the fidelity was comprable to the HRM-16 if the unit
>> was not driven to extremes (the HRM-16 isn't exactly pristine when driven
>> too hard either, though it does have a little bit more headroom)
>>
>> Adding one of these to each of the four studio channel cue outputs would
>> allow 4 separate cue mixes or 8 x performers to share 4 x stations in a
>> way similar to the HDS-16/HRM-16 cue system. It would certainly simplify
>> things around here and drastically reduce the cable clutter quotient.
>>
>>
>> ;o)
>> Deej
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