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Semi OT - Guitars with active electronics question [message #99057] Wed, 04 June 2008 14:10 Go to next message
Bill L is currently offline  Bill L   UNITED STATES
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I have a couple guitars with active electronics (a strat w/ EMGs and a
Buscarino Starlight nylon electric). I hate having to unplug them every
time I put them down, especially the Buscarino because I don't usually
use a vol pedal with it. Are there any tricks to cut the battery draw
while leaving the plug in? I would think that if no circuit is completed
it might stop the draw.
Re: Semi OT - Guitars with active electronics question [message #99058 is a reply to message #99057] Wed, 04 June 2008 14:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
EK Sound is currently offline  EK Sound   CANADA
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The guitar makes use of the "ring" terminal shorting to the sleeve of
the 1/4" jack to connect the "-" side of the battery when you put a TS
plug in. If you use a TRS (balanced) 1/4" plug in the guitar you could,
in theory, connect the ring and sleeve at some point farther down the
cable to energize the circuit in the guitar.

David.

Bill L wrote:
> I have a couple guitars with active electronics (a strat w/ EMGs and a
> Buscarino Starlight nylon electric). I hate having to unplug them every
> time I put them down, especially the Buscarino because I don't usually
> use a vol pedal with it. Are there any tricks to cut the battery draw
> while leaving the plug in? I would think that if no circuit is completed
> it might stop the draw.
Re: Semi OT - Guitars with active electronics question [message #99061 is a reply to message #99058] Wed, 04 June 2008 16:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aaron Allen is currently offline  Aaron Allen   UNITED STATES
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yup. Also, you could replace one of the pots with a push/pull pot, and
switch it on the guitar w/o having to drill or cut anything.
AA


"EK Sound" <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote in message news:48470995$1@linux...
> The guitar makes use of the "ring" terminal shorting to the sleeve of the
> 1/4" jack to connect the "-" side of the battery when you put a TS plug
> in. If you use a TRS (balanced) 1/4" plug in the guitar you could, in
> theory, connect the ring and sleeve at some point farther down the cable
> to energize the circuit in the guitar.
>
> David.
>
> Bill L wrote:
>> I have a couple guitars with active electronics (a strat w/ EMGs and a
>> Buscarino Starlight nylon electric). I hate having to unplug them every
>> time I put them down, especially the Buscarino because I don't usually
>> use a vol pedal with it. Are there any tricks to cut the battery draw
>> while leaving the plug in? I would think that if no circuit is completed
>> it might stop the draw.
Re: Semi OT - Guitars with active electronics question [message #99062 is a reply to message #99061] Wed, 04 June 2008 16:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bill L is currently offline  Bill L   UNITED STATES
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That's an interesting idea. I like it.

Aaron Allen wrote:
> yup. Also, you could replace one of the pots with a push/pull pot, and
> switch it on the guitar w/o having to drill or cut anything.
> AA
>
>
> "EK Sound" <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote in message news:48470995$1@linux...
>> The guitar makes use of the "ring" terminal shorting to the sleeve of the
>> 1/4" jack to connect the "-" side of the battery when you put a TS plug
>> in. If you use a TRS (balanced) 1/4" plug in the guitar you could, in
>> theory, connect the ring and sleeve at some point farther down the cable
>> to energize the circuit in the guitar.
>>
>> David.
>>
>> Bill L wrote:
>>> I have a couple guitars with active electronics (a strat w/ EMGs and a
>>> Buscarino Starlight nylon electric). I hate having to unplug them every
>>> time I put them down, especially the Buscarino because I don't usually
>>> use a vol pedal with it. Are there any tricks to cut the battery draw
>>> while leaving the plug in? I would think that if no circuit is completed
>>> it might stop the draw.
>
>
Re: Semi OT - Guitars with active electronics question [message #99066 is a reply to message #99062] Wed, 04 June 2008 19:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aaron Allen is currently offline  Aaron Allen   UNITED STATES
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StewMac will probably have what you need. Figure out the ohm rating (usually
printed on the back of the pot) and taper (usually audio taper) of whatever
pot you want to replace. Order the same ratings (or if you like smoother
audio moves, try a linear taper pot) in a push/pull. Install. Smile.

AA


"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:48472764$1@linux...
> That's an interesting idea. I like it.
>
> Aaron Allen wrote:
>> yup. Also, you could replace one of the pots with a push/pull pot, and
>> switch it on the guitar w/o having to drill or cut anything.
>> AA
>>
>>
>> "EK Sound" <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote in message news:48470995$1@linux...
>>> The guitar makes use of the "ring" terminal shorting to the sleeve of
>>> the 1/4" jack to connect the "-" side of the battery when you put a TS
>>> plug in. If you use a TRS (balanced) 1/4" plug in the guitar you could,
>>> in theory, connect the ring and sleeve at some point farther down the
>>> cable to energize the circuit in the guitar.
>>>
>>> David.
>>>
>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>> I have a couple guitars with active electronics (a strat w/ EMGs and a
>>>> Buscarino Starlight nylon electric). I hate having to unplug them every
>>>> time I put them down, especially the Buscarino because I don't usually
>>>> use a vol pedal with it. Are there any tricks to cut the battery draw
>>>> while leaving the plug in? I would think that if no circuit is
>>>> completed it might stop the draw.
>>
Re: Semi OT - Guitars with active electronics question [message #99069 is a reply to message #99066] Thu, 05 June 2008 00:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jamie K is currently offline  Jamie K   UNITED STATES
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Brilliant!

Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com


Aaron Allen wrote:
> StewMac will probably have what you need. Figure out the ohm rating (usually
> printed on the back of the pot) and taper (usually audio taper) of whatever
> pot you want to replace. Order the same ratings (or if you like smoother
> audio moves, try a linear taper pot) in a push/pull. Install. Smile.
>
> AA
>
>
> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:48472764$1@linux...
>> That's an interesting idea. I like it.
>>
>> Aaron Allen wrote:
>>> yup. Also, you could replace one of the pots with a push/pull pot, and
>>> switch it on the guitar w/o having to drill or cut anything.
>>> AA
>>>
>>>
>>> "EK Sound" <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote in message news:48470995$1@linux...
>>>> The guitar makes use of the "ring" terminal shorting to the sleeve of
>>>> the 1/4" jack to connect the "-" side of the battery when you put a TS
>>>> plug in. If you use a TRS (balanced) 1/4" plug in the guitar you could,
>>>> in theory, connect the ring and sleeve at some point farther down the
>>>> cable to energize the circuit in the guitar.
>>>>
>>>> David.
>>>>
>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>> I have a couple guitars with active electronics (a strat w/ EMGs and a
>>>>> Buscarino Starlight nylon electric). I hate having to unplug them every
>>>>> time I put them down, especially the Buscarino because I don't usually
>>>>> use a vol pedal with it. Are there any tricks to cut the battery draw
>>>>> while leaving the plug in? I would think that if no circuit is
>>>>> completed it might stop the draw.
>
Re: Semi OT - Guitars with active electronics question [message #99075 is a reply to message #99069] Thu, 05 June 2008 11:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kerryg is currently offline  kerryg   CANADA
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I sure would like to see a broader range of pots available; the push-pull
thing is great but I'd really want the electronics to turn off when you pull
it up rather than push it down, for the simple reason that I've never seen a
pot get accidentally pulled up in the middle of a gig.

- Kerry

On 6/5/08 12:20 AM, in article 48479623@linux, "Jamie K"
<JamieN0-SPAM@JamieKrutzN0-SPAM.com> wrote:

>
> Brilliant!
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> Aaron Allen wrote:
>> StewMac will probably have what you need. Figure out the ohm rating (usually
>> printed on the back of the pot) and taper (usually audio taper) of whatever
>> pot you want to replace. Order the same ratings (or if you like smoother
>> audio moves, try a linear taper pot) in a push/pull. Install. Smile.
>>
>> AA
>>
>>
>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:48472764$1@linux...
>>> That's an interesting idea. I like it.
>>>
>>> Aaron Allen wrote:
>>>> yup. Also, you could replace one of the pots with a push/pull pot, and
>>>> switch it on the guitar w/o having to drill or cut anything.
>>>> AA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "EK Sound" <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote in message news:48470995$1@linux...
>>>>> The guitar makes use of the "ring" terminal shorting to the sleeve of
>>>>> the 1/4" jack to connect the "-" side of the battery when you put a TS
>>>>> plug in. If you use a TRS (balanced) 1/4" plug in the guitar you could,
>>>>> in theory, connect the ring and sleeve at some point farther down the
>>>>> cable to energize the circuit in the guitar.
>>>>>
>>>>> David.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>>> I have a couple guitars with active electronics (a strat w/ EMGs and a
>>>>>> Buscarino Starlight nylon electric). I hate having to unplug them every
>>>>>> time I put them down, especially the Buscarino because I don't usually
>>>>>> use a vol pedal with it. Are there any tricks to cut the battery draw
>>>>>> while leaving the plug in? I would think that if no circuit is
>>>>>> completed it might stop the draw.
>>


"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
Re: Semi OT - Guitars with active electronics question [message #99086 is a reply to message #99075] Thu, 05 June 2008 14:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jamie K is currently offline  Jamie K   UNITED STATES
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Good point.

Maybe a separate switch is better. I've never liked switching jacks, I'd
rather not worry about leaving the guitar plugged in.

Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com


Kerry Galloway wrote:
> I sure would like to see a broader range of pots available; the push-pull
> thing is great but I'd really want the electronics to turn off when you pull
> it up rather than push it down, for the simple reason that I've never seen a
> pot get accidentally pulled up in the middle of a gig.
>
> - Kerry
>
> On 6/5/08 12:20 AM, in article 48479623@linux, "Jamie K"
> <JamieN0-SPAM@JamieKrutzN0-SPAM.com> wrote:
>
>> Brilliant!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>> Aaron Allen wrote:
>>> StewMac will probably have what you need. Figure out the ohm rating (usually
>>> printed on the back of the pot) and taper (usually audio taper) of whatever
>>> pot you want to replace. Order the same ratings (or if you like smoother
>>> audio moves, try a linear taper pot) in a push/pull. Install. Smile.
>>>
>>> AA
>>>
>>>
>>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:48472764$1@linux...
>>>> That's an interesting idea. I like it.
>>>>
>>>> Aaron Allen wrote:
>>>>> yup. Also, you could replace one of the pots with a push/pull pot, and
>>>>> switch it on the guitar w/o having to drill or cut anything.
>>>>> AA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "EK Sound" <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote in message news:48470995$1@linux...
>>>>>> The guitar makes use of the "ring" terminal shorting to the sleeve of
>>>>>> the 1/4" jack to connect the "-" side of the battery when you put a TS
>>>>>> plug in. If you use a TRS (balanced) 1/4" plug in the guitar you could,
>>>>>> in theory, connect the ring and sleeve at some point farther down the
>>>>>> cable to energize the circuit in the guitar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>>>> I have a couple guitars with active electronics (a strat w/ EMGs and a
>>>>>>> Buscarino Starlight nylon electric). I hate having to unplug them every
>>>>>>> time I put them down, especially the Buscarino because I don't usually
>>>>>>> use a vol pedal with it. Are there any tricks to cut the battery draw
>>>>>>> while leaving the plug in? I would think that if no circuit is
>>>>>>> completed it might stop the draw.
>
Re: Semi OT - Guitars with active electronics question [message #99090 is a reply to message #99075] Thu, 05 June 2008 16:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aaron Allen is currently offline  Aaron Allen   UNITED STATES
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should be in how you wire it. There are 6 poles typically.
AA


"Kerry Galloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote in message
news:C46D7B42.B103%kg@kerrygalloway.com...
>I sure would like to see a broader range of pots available; the push-pull
> thing is great but I'd really want the electronics to turn off when you
> pull
> it up rather than push it down, for the simple reason that I've never seen
> a
> pot get accidentally pulled up in the middle of a gig.
>
> - Kerry
>
> On 6/5/08 12:20 AM, in article 48479623@linux, "Jamie K"
> <JamieN0-SPAM@JamieKrutzN0-SPAM.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Brilliant!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>> Aaron Allen wrote:
>>> StewMac will probably have what you need. Figure out the ohm rating
>>> (usually
>>> printed on the back of the pot) and taper (usually audio taper) of
>>> whatever
>>> pot you want to replace. Order the same ratings (or if you like smoother
>>> audio moves, try a linear taper pot) in a push/pull. Install. Smile.
>>>
>>> AA
>>>
>>>
>>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message
>>> news:48472764$1@linux...
>>>> That's an interesting idea. I like it.
>>>>
>>>> Aaron Allen wrote:
>>>>> yup. Also, you could replace one of the pots with a push/pull pot, and
>>>>> switch it on the guitar w/o having to drill or cut anything.
>>>>> AA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "EK Sound" <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:48470995$1@linux...
>>>>>> The guitar makes use of the "ring" terminal shorting to the sleeve of
>>>>>> the 1/4" jack to connect the "-" side of the battery when you put a
>>>>>> TS
>>>>>> plug in. If you use a TRS (balanced) 1/4" plug in the guitar you
>>>>>> could,
>>>>>> in theory, connect the ring and sleeve at some point farther down the
>>>>>> cable to energize the circuit in the guitar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>>>> I have a couple guitars with active electronics (a strat w/ EMGs and
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> Buscarino Starlight nylon electric). I hate having to unplug them
>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>> time I put them down, especially the Buscarino because I don't
>>>>>>> usually
>>>>>>> use a vol pedal with it. Are there any tricks to cut the battery
>>>>>>> draw
>>>>>>> while leaving the plug in? I would think that if no circuit is
>>>>>>> completed it might stop the draw.
>>>
>
Re: Semi OT - Guitars with active electronics question [message #99091 is a reply to message #99090] Thu, 05 June 2008 16:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kerryg is currently offline  kerryg   CANADA
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Ah, thanks! Shows you what I know about electronics.

Now - accidentally muting oneself on stage - *that* I can speak
authoritatively on.

- Kerry


On 6/5/08 4:21 PM, in article 48487735@linux, "Aaron Allen"
<know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:

> should be in how you wire it. There are 6 poles typically.
> AA
>
>
> "Kerry Galloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote in message
> news:C46D7B42.B103%kg@kerrygalloway.com...
>> I sure would like to see a broader range of pots available; the push-pull
>> thing is great but I'd really want the electronics to turn off when you
>> pull
>> it up rather than push it down, for the simple reason that I've never seen
>> a
>> pot get accidentally pulled up in the middle of a gig.
>>
>> - Kerry
>>
>> On 6/5/08 12:20 AM, in article 48479623@linux, "Jamie K"
>> <JamieN0-SPAM@JamieKrutzN0-SPAM.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Brilliant!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Aaron Allen wrote:
>>>> StewMac will probably have what you need. Figure out the ohm rating
>>>> (usually
>>>> printed on the back of the pot) and taper (usually audio taper) of
>>>> whatever
>>>> pot you want to replace. Order the same ratings (or if you like smoother
>>>> audio moves, try a linear taper pot) in a push/pull. Install. Smile.
>>>>
>>>> AA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:48472764$1@linux...
>>>>> That's an interesting idea. I like it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aaron Allen wrote:
>>>>>> yup. Also, you could replace one of the pots with a push/pull pot, and
>>>>>> switch it on the guitar w/o having to drill or cut anything.
>>>>>> AA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "EK Sound" <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:48470995$1@linux...
>>>>>>> The guitar makes use of the "ring" terminal shorting to the sleeve of
>>>>>>> the 1/4" jack to connect the "-" side of the battery when you put a
>>>>>>> TS
>>>>>>> plug in. If you use a TRS (balanced) 1/4" plug in the guitar you
>>>>>>> could,
>>>>>>> in theory, connect the ring and sleeve at some point farther down the
>>>>>>> cable to energize the circuit in the guitar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>>>>> I have a couple guitars with active electronics (a strat w/ EMGs and
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> Buscarino Starlight nylon electric). I hate having to unplug them
>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>> time I put them down, especially the Buscarino because I don't
>>>>>>>> usually
>>>>>>>> use a vol pedal with it. Are there any tricks to cut the battery
>>>>>>>> draw
>>>>>>>> while leaving the plug in? I would think that if no circuit is
>>>>>>>> completed it might stop the draw.
>>>>
>>
>
>


"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
Re: Semi OT - Guitars with active electronics question [message #99093 is a reply to message #99091] Thu, 05 June 2008 17:30 Go to previous message
Jamie K is currently offline  Jamie K   UNITED STATES
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But with UP as OFF it might be too easy to accidentally push it in and
turn the circuit on when the guitar is in the case or gig bag. So now
I'm leaning toward a separate power switch on my sustainer guitar...

Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com


Kerry Galloway wrote:
> Ah, thanks! Shows you what I know about electronics.
>
> Now - accidentally muting oneself on stage - *that* I can speak
> authoritatively on.
>
> - Kerry
>
>
> On 6/5/08 4:21 PM, in article 48487735@linux, "Aaron Allen"
> <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>
>> should be in how you wire it. There are 6 poles typically.
>> AA
>>
>>
>> "Kerry Galloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote in message
>> news:C46D7B42.B103%kg@kerrygalloway.com...
>>> I sure would like to see a broader range of pots available; the push-pull
>>> thing is great but I'd really want the electronics to turn off when you
>>> pull
>>> it up rather than push it down, for the simple reason that I've never seen
>>> a
>>> pot get accidentally pulled up in the middle of a gig.
>>>
>>> - Kerry
>>>
>>> On 6/5/08 12:20 AM, in article 48479623@linux, "Jamie K"
>>> <JamieN0-SPAM@JamieKrutzN0-SPAM.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Brilliant!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Aaron Allen wrote:
>>>>> StewMac will probably have what you need. Figure out the ohm rating
>>>>> (usually
>>>>> printed on the back of the pot) and taper (usually audio taper) of
>>>>> whatever
>>>>> pot you want to replace. Order the same ratings (or if you like smoother
>>>>> audio moves, try a linear taper pot) in a push/pull. Install. Smile.
>>>>>
>>>>> AA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:48472764$1@linux...
>>>>>> That's an interesting idea. I like it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aaron Allen wrote:
>>>>>>> yup. Also, you could replace one of the pots with a push/pull pot, and
>>>>>>> switch it on the guitar w/o having to drill or cut anything.
>>>>>>> AA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "EK Sound" <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:48470995$1@linux...
>>>>>>>> The guitar makes use of the "ring" terminal shorting to the sleeve of
>>>>>>>> the 1/4" jack to connect the "-" side of the battery when you put a
>>>>>>>> TS
>>>>>>>> plug in. If you use a TRS (balanced) 1/4" plug in the guitar you
>>>>>>>> could,
>>>>>>>> in theory, connect the ring and sleeve at some point farther down the
>>>>>>>> cable to energize the circuit in the guitar.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I have a couple guitars with active electronics (a strat w/ EMGs and
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> Buscarino Starlight nylon electric). I hate having to unplug them
>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>> time I put them down, especially the Buscarino because I don't
>>>>>>>>> usually
>>>>>>>>> use a vol pedal with it. Are there any tricks to cut the battery
>>>>>>>>> draw
>>>>>>>>> while leaving the plug in? I would think that if no circuit is
>>>>>>>>> completed it might stop the draw.
>>
>
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