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Multiple EDS cards in Patch Bay [message #105670] Tue, 05 October 2010 17:52 Go to next message
MFOEDS is currently offline  MFOEDS   CANADA
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Hello everyone,

I have a 4 eds cards in my Mac (all cards have been interconnected with the ribbon connectors inside), my A card is hooked up
to my MEC,

Paris recognizes all cards in the Patch Bay, I have mixer A
mixer B, mixer C and mixer D.

the mixer A has monitor outputs (mL, mR) that go to my MEC, so I have no issues with Submix A as far as recording/monitoring etc,

now Id like to set it up so that I can choose to record from my MEC to any one of the other cards,

everytime I try to establish a connection from MEC to Mixer B, C or D, it gives me an error that it cannot cross the EDS boundaries Confused ,

My main question is how do I setup the patch bay so that I can record from my MEC to any submix/card I desire (A B C or D)?

I can also see each other mixer card has an output (L R), what do I do with it?

Thanks,
MFO
Re: Multiple EDS cards in Patch Bay [message #105671 is a reply to message #105670] Wed, 06 October 2010 01:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kerryg is currently offline  kerryg   CANADA
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Good news and bad news. The bad news is that unfortunately. you can't patch across EDS boundaries. Only stuff from Submix A can be patched to things in Submix A.

The good news is that while technically you don't directly assign a MEC to a submix (since they're each cabled to one particular EDS card), you achieve the same result by assigning the EDS card the MEC is physically cabled to to the desired submix. Hit "G" and call up your Master Mixer, that's where you can assign EDS cards to submixes by their letters. Assign the one with the MEC to the submix you want to record into.

The individual LR output of each mixer (that's the software representation of that submix's mixer rather than the card's) after A apparently outputs only the audio from that particular submix.

- K


"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon

[Updated on: Wed, 06 October 2010 01:21]

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Re: Multiple EDS cards in Patch Bay [message #105672 is a reply to message #105670] Wed, 06 October 2010 07:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MFOEDS is currently offline  MFOEDS   UNITED KINGDOM
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Hi kerryg,

Great info, I couldn't find anything in the manual,

Another thing that bothers me is,

would you know if there is a way to merge all
the submix Editor windows into one with all tracks in it?

Or do I have to get used to flip between 4 editor windows?

Thanks,
MFO
Re: Multiple EDS cards in Patch Bay [message #105676 is a reply to message #105672] Wed, 06 October 2010 13:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kerryg is currently offline  kerryg   CANADA
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Nope, PARIS thinks in terms of discrete 16-channel submixes. It's not so bad once you get used to that - check out the Brian Tankersley video if you have access to it, it will show you ways to organize that. Are you running single or multiple monitors on your system?

"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
Re: Multiple EDS cards in Patch Bay [message #105686 is a reply to message #105670] Thu, 07 October 2010 19:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MFOEDS is currently offline  MFOEDS   CANADA
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I am planning to acquire an additional monitor to use just for Paris,

btw I was able to record from the MEC (hooked to card A) to the other cards (B, C and D) submixes by using the master submix page as you said, its perfect.

Thanks again,
Cheers,

MFO.

[Updated on: Thu, 07 October 2010 19:59]

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Re: Multiple EDS cards in Patch Bay [message #105689 is a reply to message #105686] Fri, 08 October 2010 04:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mani1147 is currently offline  mani1147   CANADA
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Hi MFO, check out Virtual Dimension, a free virtual desktop app. I use it and assign a complete submix (mixer and editor screen) per desktop slot. Then switch between desktop slots via hotkey on my little keypad, works great.

Cheers
Rob
Re: Multiple EDS cards in Patch Bay [message #105692 is a reply to message #105689] Fri, 08 October 2010 09:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dnafe is currently offline  dnafe   CANADA
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Interesting...I may have to move on this
Re: Multiple EDS cards in Patch Bay [message #105693 is a reply to message #105671] Sat, 09 October 2010 09:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ted Gerber is currently offline  Ted Gerber   CANADA
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Hmmm. I didn't know this. Thanks KG

Re: Multiple EDS cards in Patch Bay [message #105694 is a reply to message #105693] Sat, 09 October 2010 11:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Philip is currently offline  Philip   UNITED STATES
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I haven't done the work around proposed here in a while. What I do is use sub\card A only for tracking and then I drop all the tracks into the jail and then pull them out of the jail on the editor for the sub where I want them for mixing.

I think that the reason I started doing it this way and stopped reassigning EDS cards is because, (if I am remembering correctly) swapping EDSs around causes all sorts of FX issues if you are using the EDS effects on a card and then assign it to another mix.

Is that right?

-Phil
Re: Multiple EDS cards in Patch Bay [message #105697 is a reply to message #105694] Sun, 10 October 2010 05:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dnafe is currently offline  dnafe   CANADA
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I just highlight all the tracks (ctl A) and drag them over to another sub mix (position lock on of course)
Re: Multiple EDS cards in Patch Bay [message #105698 is a reply to message #105670] Sun, 10 October 2010 05:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MFOEDS is currently offline  MFOEDS   CANADA
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Great, Im just starting to get a whole overview of how it works, so Im learning the basics so far,

thanks for all the tips! Surprised

Cheers,
MFO.
Re: Multiple EDS cards in Patch Bay [message #105915 is a reply to message #105671] Wed, 05 January 2011 10:14 Go to previous message
Paul Beach is currently offline  Paul Beach   UNITED STATES
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I have a similar situation. Perhaps I am missing something here.
I have 2 MECs, 2 EDS cards, and 2 C16 PROs. I also have 2 8 ch. input cards, 1 8 ch output card, and 1 ADAT card, ... in each MEC.

The C16s are connected to Cards A and B, respectively. The cards are connected thus: Card A > MEC 1, CARD B > MEC 2.


Playback is not an issue. I have been moving my files over to Submix 2 [Card B] for now.

I tried your card re-assignment suggestion in the Master Mixer, but no go.

When I feed audio to MEC 2, I see the signal at the input card, in the proper channel, but not in Mixer [Submix 2]. I can arm the track in Submix 2, but no signal appears in the Mixer.

I'm pretty sure I have my patch bay setup correctly. Each Mixer Output goes to each corresponding MEC module Input; 1 to 1, 2 to 2, etc.

Ideally, I would like to record into Card B, while monitoring playback tracks from A and B.

Am I missing something obvious here?

Thanks for your reply.

And thanks a million for your continued efforts to keep PARIS alive.

Happy New Year,
Paul

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