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| Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: This newsgroup has now officially gone to hell [message #98509 is a reply to message #98508] |
Mon, 05 May 2008 01:11   |
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Would you move this thread to "general", Kim? This relentless, bitter,
adolescent negativity is killing any urge I might feel to do something
positive for this community.
- Kerry
On 5/5/08 12:31 AM, in article 481eb7ee$1@linux, "Kim"
<hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>> Especially considering how pitifully
>>> little you do to get along with others.
>>
>> Hehe, I do see irony in that statement. ;o)
>
> I should explain that I'm referring to the irony being in the statement
> itself,
> not directed at you personally/generally.
>
> Just seems odd to have a go at somebody, when you're having a go at them
> for not making an effort to get along. ;o)
>
> I'll shut up I think. Where's that delete post command? ;o)
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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| Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: This newsgroup has now officially gone to hell [message #98511 is a reply to message #98505] |
Mon, 05 May 2008 02:59 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
>What interests me in all this is remembering a certain other fellow
>(someone once called "the list pothead") who was also volatile and
>would follow people he did not like and post mildly harassing comments
>now and then.
>
>We learned to not engage him on his favorite trigger issues.
>It worked, and we mostly got along.
>
>Well, if James ain't got it now, he ain't gonna get it. He did not come
>up in the studio world back in the 70's and 80's like some of us, and
>never learned that cheerleading for a brand immediately marked you
>as a civilian. Now, I am not talking about telling another engineer
>to check out a mic pre, I am talking about engaging working professionals
>in bitter disputes of one brand vs. another. Studio guys simply don't
>DO that. It's like the Ford vs. Chevy guys! I cannot imagine anything
>more boring. As a 2nd engineer in a major facility back in 1980, if you
>hammered some other engineer about how (say) Quad-Eight desks
>RULE and Harrisons SUCK, and you lost your sense of humor and
>professional attitude, you would (if they liked you) get a stern lecture
>about how we don't CARE about brand loyalty, we only care about
>results. If you did it again, you would be shown the door.
>
>Well, times have changed, and now we use consumer hardware to
>do professional work (like everyone else does) and the consumer
>brand-loyalty thing jumps right into our business, and it REEKS.
>
>I fuggin' hate it.
>
>James understands the negative fact that we hate it, but he does not
>understand the positive reasons why we don't DO that.
>
>Ok, so I am going to try this once more, and James, if you pay attention
>you can remove yourself from the center of this sh*storm.
>
>There are all kinds of wonderful people making wonderful recordings
>with different gear than mine, and even different platforms. I don't
>want them to not talk to me because they think I am not a pro and
>care more about brands than talent.
>
>I care about music, not platforms. It's that simple.
>
>
>Now, what about the mac bashing? Well that has been going on since the
>early 90's or so when the pc people would predict the demise of Apple
>every few weeks, and some IT directors would try to ban macs from the
>building. ho-hum, they failed. Big time. Apple is firmly established
>as the BMW of comp builders for both good and bad. So the bashing is
>largely impotent pecker-waving by the jealous, and some of it is legit
>from people who can get more performance for less money elsewhere.
>(like buying a Vette instead of a 540)
>
>Who the fugg cares?
>
>Now James, you owe a bunch of people here (not Thad!) an apology,
>and I suggest you leave Thad alone since you are just encouraging
>his worst instincts...
>
>Or you can never be a part of the community of engineers.
>
>It's up to you, but I think you can do better.
>
>DC
>
>
Oh boy oh boy oh boy, DC can I join your club of real engineers? Please!
Please! Please! Dude, you have got to be kidding me! You don't know any
thing about me. I have worked on Harrison consoles in the past and some
of them do SUCK!
I'll say again, I didn't start the shit here on this NG. I didn't start
stirring it up the Mac vs PC war stuff on this NG, some of you guys did years
ago. I got sick of hearing the same old repeated untruths about the mac
platform, so I jumped in to straiten it out and give some information. If
you want to believe that the Mac can't run as much software titles as a PC
go ahead, but the truth is, Macs have been able to run more titles than a
PC since about 1994, if you say other wise I will try to educate you.
I find it funny that the people that bash Macs don't use them. If you don't
use them on a regular basis, how and the hell do you know what your talking
about??? I use both, I used PCs before I ever used a Mac. I believe, for
most people, if you used both you would you would end up preferring the Mac.
I also believe, for some people it's a left brain right brain thing, and
they will never like a Mac. For others, I think they are just stubborn,
or brain washed or ignorant, these are the people that will go to their graves
insisting that Macs suck. Until you use a new Mac for a couple of years
you won't know.
I don't give a rat's ass what you use, just don't bash the mac when you don't
know what the hell your talking about. Don't mock or insult mac users and
you won't be mocked or insulted. It's like telling someone they are a dumb
ass for paying $3,000.00 for a compressor when they could have bought a RNC
for $175.00, and then talking about your new $3,000.00 mic pre you just bought.
You don't know what the value is that they are getting out of the $3,000.00
compressor, and you got personal and insulted their intelligence.
It can go both ways, tit for tat. I didn't start the shit here on the NG.
I didn't start the shit this time, Thad did, and John and Neil followed.
I haven't made any post that would stir any thing up in quite some time,
but others have. If I post anything about Apple or MS it's information.
You may not like the information, but the information may not be for you.
Any posts I make about mac information draws fire now. It's not about Apple,
MS or Macs, what it is becoming, is personal. If someone is going to mock
me, ridicule me, put me down or insult me, they can expect to get it back.
Don't pile on and then patronize me and tell me to chill out, if you do,
you can expect it to get ugly.
It's become obvious to me that a few people would like to drive me off the
group, and they may get what they want, or they may get exactly what they
asked for, but the group won't be the same.
DC, I don't appreciate your little talk. If you want to view me as the center
of the problem, I'll note your position. If you want to shun me or ignore
me or whatever, go for it.
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| Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: This newsgroup has now officially gone to hell [message #98512 is a reply to message #98462] |
Mon, 05 May 2008 03:13 |
xpam_mark
Messages: 126
Registered: March 2007
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Wait just a minute there Thad.... correction!.... you slammed me pretty
good once when, pre-spider-hole capture, and subsequent lunar courtroom
outbursts, you asserted that Saddam Hussein was a "genius." But in all
fairness, I more or less told you I thought that was about one of the
stupidest things I've ever heard.... although, as was the case then, time
will tell.... or already *did* tell... you tell me. Maybe he was just a
half-genius, half-idiot and we were both right and all that living like a
groundhog finally brought his murderous conciousness to the "surface."
I recall you left the group for a looooooong time after that.... kinda like
Neil plans on apparently doing. Ain't it funny how a a few dirt clods
wafting through the air brings out the sandbox brow beatings on newsgroups!
I still marvel.
W. Mark Wilson
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:481cac40$1@linux...
>
> Funny you mention that, James, because I was just thinking about that. In
> all of the years I have read this NG I have NEVER, not once, said anything
> bad about someone personally, with one exception. The exception isn't you,
> it's DC. Oddly enough, I suspect DC and I would get along pretty well in
> person. Usually the people I get along with online are the same that I get
> along with offline, but in Don's case I suspect he has a sense of humor
> that
> doesn't come through in his writing. I deplore the way he conducts himself
> online, though, and said so, in pretty blunt terms.
>
> However, in your case I have never said a thing about you personally. I
> never
> said BOW DOWN BEFORE JAMES GREAT GENIUS OF ALL THINGS APPLE and so on and
> so forth. The fact is that _someone_ did that about me. Since I can't
> confirm
> who did that I'm going to pretend I don't know the responsible party, and
> it's not a huge deal anyway. My skin is pretty thick.
>
> TCB
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Thad, you started this by mocking me, by posting "Microsoft committed to
> Office."
>>My Post "Apple committed to Final Cut" was the headline from the news
>>article,
>>if you would have read it. I posted it because it was discussed here and
>>some people had concerns about it. There can no longer be any posts where
>>anything Mac or Apple related is mentioned without you mocking, trashing
>>or bashing. it's gotten personal, I recommend you stop!
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I don't recall posting a bunch of sarcastic, personal, attack rants in
> all
>>>caps under a fake name. Though I am doubtless a smartass I'm an honorable
>>>one at least, and have never done anything like that.
>>>
>>>So someone else 'started it' IHMO,
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hey Neil,
>>>>>
>>>>>This will all die down shortly, don't worry. I'm part of the straw in
>>this
>>>>>case and feel a teensy bit bad. Not much, mind, because I just made a
>>pretty
>>>>>harmless joke and someone, I have NO idea who, went postal.
>>>>>
>>>>>This is a really low traffic group, though, so your input (and
>>>>>microphone
>>>>>castoffs) would be very much missed. Drop back after a bit and I don't
>>>think
>>>>>you'll be any the worse.
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>Why don't you just shut up smartass, your the one that started this.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Neil" <OIUOUI@OUI.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Don't know what happened, who placed the straw that broke the
>>>>>>camel's back, but in case you haven't noticed it, this newsgroup
>>>>>>is now officially dead meat/jumped the shark/gone off the deep
>>>>>>end.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>For anyone who would like to keep in touch with me to chat
>>>>>>about anything music or recording-related, my e-mail address is:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>neil DOT henderson AT sbcglobal DOT net
>>>>>>
>>>>>>...but i'm definitely not going to waste my time here anymore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Adios.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Neil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: This newsgroup has now officially gone to hell [message #98513 is a reply to message #98511] |
Mon, 05 May 2008 03:30 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
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Excellent apology. That's the way to get back into the fold ! Tada !
James McCloskey wrote:
> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>> What interests me in all this is remembering a certain other fellow
>> (someone once called "the list pothead") who was also volatile and
>> would follow people he did not like and post mildly harassing comments
>> now and then.
>>
>> We learned to not engage him on his favorite trigger issues.
>> It worked, and we mostly got along.
>>
>> Well, if James ain't got it now, he ain't gonna get it. He did not come
>> up in the studio world back in the 70's and 80's like some of us, and
>> never learned that cheerleading for a brand immediately marked you
>> as a civilian. Now, I am not talking about telling another engineer
>> to check out a mic pre, I am talking about engaging working professionals
>> in bitter disputes of one brand vs. another. Studio guys simply don't
>> DO that. It's like the Ford vs. Chevy guys! I cannot imagine anything
>> more boring. As a 2nd engineer in a major facility back in 1980, if you
>> hammered some other engineer about how (say) Quad-Eight desks
>> RULE and Harrisons SUCK, and you lost your sense of humor and
>> professional attitude, you would (if they liked you) get a stern lecture
>> about how we don't CARE about brand loyalty, we only care about
>> results. If you did it again, you would be shown the door.
>>
>> Well, times have changed, and now we use consumer hardware to
>> do professional work (like everyone else does) and the consumer
>> brand-loyalty thing jumps right into our business, and it REEKS.
>>
>> I fuggin' hate it.
>>
>> James understands the negative fact that we hate it, but he does not
>> understand the positive reasons why we don't DO that.
>>
>> Ok, so I am going to try this once more, and James, if you pay attention
>> you can remove yourself from the center of this sh*storm.
>>
>> There are all kinds of wonderful people making wonderful recordings
>> with different gear than mine, and even different platforms. I don't
>> want them to not talk to me because they think I am not a pro and
>> care more about brands than talent.
>>
>> I care about music, not platforms. It's that simple.
>>
>>
>> Now, what about the mac bashing? Well that has been going on since the
>> early 90's or so when the pc people would predict the demise of Apple
>> every few weeks, and some IT directors would try to ban macs from the
>> building. ho-hum, they failed. Big time. Apple is firmly established
>> as the BMW of comp builders for both good and bad. So the bashing is
>> largely impotent pecker-waving by the jealous, and some of it is legit
>>from people who can get more performance for less money elsewhere.
>> (like buying a Vette instead of a 540)
>>
>> Who the fugg cares?
>>
>> Now James, you owe a bunch of people here (not Thad!) an apology,
>> and I suggest you leave Thad alone since you are just encouraging
>> his worst instincts...
>>
>> Or you can never be a part of the community of engineers.
>>
>> It's up to you, but I think you can do better.
>>
>> DC
>>
>>
> Oh boy oh boy oh boy, DC can I join your club of real engineers? Please!
> Please! Please! Dude, you have got to be kidding me! You don't know any
> thing about me. I have worked on Harrison consoles in the past and some
> of them do SUCK!
>
> I'll say again, I didn't start the shit here on this NG. I didn't start
> stirring it up the Mac vs PC war stuff on this NG, some of you guys did years
> ago. I got sick of hearing the same old repeated untruths about the mac
> platform, so I jumped in to straiten it out and give some information. If
> you want to believe that the Mac can't run as much software titles as a PC
> go ahead, but the truth is, Macs have been able to run more titles than a
> PC since about 1994, if you say other wise I will try to educate you.
>
> I find it funny that the people that bash Macs don't use them. If you don't
> use them on a regular basis, how and the hell do you know what your talking
> about??? I use both, I used PCs before I ever used a Mac. I believe, for
> most people, if you used both you would you would end up preferring the Mac.
> I also believe, for some people it's a left brain right brain thing, and
> they will never like a Mac. For others, I think they are just stubborn,
> or brain washed or ignorant, these are the people that will go to their graves
> insisting that Macs suck. Until you use a new Mac for a couple of years
> you won't know.
>
> I don't give a rat's ass what you use, just don't bash the mac when you don't
> know what the hell your talking about. Don't mock or insult mac users and
> you won't be mocked or insulted. It's like telling someone they are a dumb
> ass for paying $3,000.00 for a compressor when they could have bought a RNC
> for $175.00, and then talking about your new $3,000.00 mic pre you just bought.
> You don't know what the value is that they are getting out of the $3,000.00
> compressor, and you got personal and insulted their intelligence.
>
> It can go both ways, tit for tat. I didn't start the shit here on the NG.
> I didn't start the shit this time, Thad did, and John and Neil followed.
> I haven't made any post that would stir any thing up in quite some time,
> but others have. If I post anything about Apple or MS it's information.
> You may not like the information, but the information may not be for you.
> Any posts I make about mac information draws fire now. It's not about Apple,
> MS or Macs, what it is becoming, is personal. If someone is going to mock
> me, ridicule me, put me down or insult me, they can expect to get it back.
> Don't pile on and then patronize me and tell me to chill out, if you do,
> you can expect it to get ugly.
>
> It's become obvious to me that a few people would like to drive me off the
> group, and they may get what they want, or they may get exactly what they
> asked for, but the group won't be the same.
>
> DC, I don't appreciate your little talk. If you want to view me as the center
> of the problem, I'll note your position. If you want to shun me or ignore
> me or whatever, go for it.
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| Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: This newsgroup has now officially gone to hell [message #98515 is a reply to message #98512] |
Mon, 05 May 2008 06:06 |
Rod Lincoln
Messages: 883
Registered: September 2005
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Hey Mark, good to see you around. Good to know your still keeping up.
Rod
"W. Mark Wilson" <xpam_mark@avidrecording> wrote:
>Wait just a minute there Thad.... correction!.... you slammed me pretty
>good once when, pre-spider-hole capture, and subsequent lunar courtroom
>outbursts, you asserted that Saddam Hussein was a "genius." But in all
>fairness, I more or less told you I thought that was about one of the
>stupidest things I've ever heard.... although, as was the case then, time
>will tell.... or already *did* tell... you tell me. Maybe he was just a
>half-genius, half-idiot and we were both right and all that living like
a
>groundhog finally brought his murderous conciousness to the "surface."
>
>I recall you left the group for a looooooong time after that.... kinda like
>Neil plans on apparently doing. Ain't it funny how a a few dirt clods
>wafting through the air brings out the sandbox brow beatings on newsgroups!
>I still marvel.
>
>W. Mark Wilson
>
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:481cac40$1@linux...
>>
>> Funny you mention that, James, because I was just thinking about that.
In
>> all of the years I have read this NG I have NEVER, not once, said anything
>> bad about someone personally, with one exception. The exception isn't
you,
>> it's DC. Oddly enough, I suspect DC and I would get along pretty well
in
>> person. Usually the people I get along with online are the same that I
get
>> along with offline, but in Don's case I suspect he has a sense of humor
>> that
>> doesn't come through in his writing. I deplore the way he conducts himself
>> online, though, and said so, in pretty blunt terms.
>>
>> However, in your case I have never said a thing about you personally.
I
>> never
>> said BOW DOWN BEFORE JAMES GREAT GENIUS OF ALL THINGS APPLE and so on
and
>> so forth. The fact is that _someone_ did that about me. Since I can't
>> confirm
>> who did that I'm going to pretend I don't know the responsible party,
and
>> it's not a huge deal anyway. My skin is pretty thick.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Thad, you started this by mocking me, by posting "Microsoft committed
to
>> Office."
>>>My Post "Apple committed to Final Cut" was the headline from the news
>>>article,
>>>if you would have read it. I posted it because it was discussed here
and
>>>some people had concerns about it. There can no longer be any posts where
>>>anything Mac or Apple related is mentioned without you mocking, trashing
>>>or bashing. it's gotten personal, I recommend you stop!
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I don't recall posting a bunch of sarcastic, personal, attack rants in
>> all
>>>>caps under a fake name. Though I am doubtless a smartass I'm an honorable
>>>>one at least, and have never done anything like that.
>>>>
>>>>So someone else 'started it' IHMO,
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hey Neil,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This will all die down shortly, don't worry. I'm part of the straw
in
>>>this
>>>>>>case and feel a teensy bit bad. Not much, mind, because I just made
a
>>>pretty
>>>>>>harmless joke and someone, I have NO idea who, went postal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is a really low traffic group, though, so your input (and
>>>>>>microphone
>>>>>>castoffs) would be very much missed. Drop back after a bit and I don't
>>>>think
>>>>>>you'll be any the worse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>Why don't you just shut up smartass, your the one that started this.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Neil" <OIUOUI@OUI.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Don't know what happened, who placed the straw that broke the
>>>>>>>camel's back, but in case you haven't noticed it, this newsgroup
>>>>>>>is now officially dead meat/jumped the shark/gone off the deep
>>>>>>>end.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>For anyone who would like to keep in touch with me to chat
>>>>>>>about anything music or recording-related, my e-mail address is:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>neil DOT henderson AT sbcglobal DOT net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>...but i'm definitely not going to waste my time here anymore.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Adios.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Neil
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: This newsgroup has now officially gone to hell [message #98516 is a reply to message #98512] |
Mon, 05 May 2008 06:15 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Right you are, Mark. So there are _two_ people I have critiqued personally
on the NG. That's over the course of about 7-8 years of posting. So I think
this is further proof that I'm not quick to pull the trigger.
TCB
"W. Mark Wilson" <xpam_mark@avidrecording> wrote:
>Wait just a minute there Thad.... correction!.... you slammed me pretty
>good once when, pre-spider-hole capture, and subsequent lunar courtroom
>outbursts, you asserted that Saddam Hussein was a "genius." But in all
>fairness, I more or less told you I thought that was about one of the
>stupidest things I've ever heard.... although, as was the case then, time
>will tell.... or already *did* tell... you tell me. Maybe he was just a
>half-genius, half-idiot and we were both right and all that living like
a
>groundhog finally brought his murderous conciousness to the "surface."
>
>I recall you left the group for a looooooong time after that.... kinda like
>Neil plans on apparently doing. Ain't it funny how a a few dirt clods
>wafting through the air brings out the sandbox brow beatings on newsgroups!
>I still marvel.
>
>W. Mark Wilson
>
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:481cac40$1@linux...
>>
>> Funny you mention that, James, because I was just thinking about that.
In
>> all of the years I have read this NG I have NEVER, not once, said anything
>> bad about someone personally, with one exception. The exception isn't
you,
>> it's DC. Oddly enough, I suspect DC and I would get along pretty well
in
>> person. Usually the people I get along with online are the same that I
get
>> along with offline, but in Don's case I suspect he has a sense of humor
>> that
>> doesn't come through in his writing. I deplore the way he conducts himself
>> online, though, and said so, in pretty blunt terms.
>>
>> However, in your case I have never said a thing about you personally.
I
>> never
>> said BOW DOWN BEFORE JAMES GREAT GENIUS OF ALL THINGS APPLE and so on
and
>> so forth. The fact is that _someone_ did that about me. Since I can't
>> confirm
>> who did that I'm going to pretend I don't know the responsible party,
and
>> it's not a huge deal anyway. My skin is pretty thick.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Thad, you started this by mocking me, by posting "Microsoft committed
to
>> Office."
>>>My Post "Apple committed to Final Cut" was the headline from the news
>>>article,
>>>if you would have read it. I posted it because it was discussed here
and
>>>some people had concerns about it. There can no longer be any posts where
>>>anything Mac or Apple related is mentioned without you mocking, trashing
>>>or bashing. it's gotten personal, I recommend you stop!
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I don't recall posting a bunch of sarcastic, personal, attack rants in
>> all
>>>>caps under a fake name. Though I am doubtless a smartass I'm an honorable
>>>>one at least, and have never done anything like that.
>>>>
>>>>So someone else 'started it' IHMO,
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hey Neil,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This will all die down shortly, don't worry. I'm part of the straw
in
>>>this
>>>>>>case and feel a teensy bit bad. Not much, mind, because I just made
a
>>>pretty
>>>>>>harmless joke and someone, I have NO idea who, went postal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is a really low traffic group, though, so your input (and
>>>>>>microphone
>>>>>>castoffs) would be very much missed. Drop back after a bit and I don't
>>>>think
>>>>>>you'll be any the worse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>Why don't you just shut up smartass, your the one that started this.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Neil" <OIUOUI@OUI.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Don't know what happened, who placed the straw that broke the
>>>>>>>camel's back, but in case you haven't noticed it, this newsgroup
>>>>>>>is now officially dead meat/jumped the shark/gone off the deep
>>>>>>>end.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>For anyone who would like to keep in touch with me to chat
>>>>>>>about anything music or recording-related, my e-mail address is:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>neil DOT henderson AT sbcglobal DOT net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>...but i'm definitely not going to waste my time here anymore.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Adios.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Neil
>>>>>>>
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Mon, 05 May 2008 06:46 |
dc[3]
Messages: 895
Registered: September 2005
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Well, I made a real effort to help you here.
When everyone else was bashing you.
And this is your response?
I guess you really can't do better...
silly me...
DC
I may go buy a PC now, after washing my hands...
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Oh boy oh boy oh boy, DC can I join your club of real engineers? Please!
> Please! Please! Dude, you have got to be kidding me! You don't know any
>thing about me. I have worked on Harrison consoles in the past and some
>of them do SUCK!
>
>I'll say again, I didn't start the shit here on this NG. I didn't start
>stirring it up the Mac vs PC war stuff on this NG, some of you guys did
years
>ago. I got sick of hearing the same old repeated untruths about the mac
>platform, so I jumped in to straiten it out and give some information.
If
>you want to believe that the Mac can't run as much software titles as a
PC
>go ahead, but the truth is, Macs have been able to run more titles than
a
>PC since about 1994, if you say other wise I will try to educate you.
>
>I find it funny that the people that bash Macs don't use them. If you don't
>use them on a regular basis, how and the hell do you know what your talking
>about??? I use both, I used PCs before I ever used a Mac. I believe, for
>most people, if you used both you would you would end up preferring the
Mac.
> I also believe, for some people it's a left brain right brain thing, and
>they will never like a Mac. For others, I think they are just stubborn,
>or brain washed or ignorant, these are the people that will go to their
graves
>insisting that Macs suck. Until you use a new Mac for a couple of years
>you won't know.
>
>I don't give a rat's ass what you use, just don't bash the mac when you
don't
>know what the hell your talking about. Don't mock or insult mac users and
>you won't be mocked or insulted. It's like telling someone they are a dumb
>ass for paying $3,000.00 for a compressor when they could have bought a
RNC
>for $175.00, and then talking about your new $3,000.00 mic pre you just
bought.
> You don't know what the value is that they are getting out of the $3,000.00
>compressor, and you got personal and insulted their intelligence.
>
>It can go both ways, tit for tat. I didn't start the shit here on the NG.
> I didn't start the shit this time, Thad did, and John and Neil followed.
> I haven't made any post that would stir any thing up in quite some time,
>but others have. If I post anything about Apple or MS it's information.
> You may not like the information, but the information may not be for you.
> Any posts I make about mac information draws fire now. It's not about
Apple,
>MS or Macs, what it is becoming, is personal. If someone is going to mock
>me, ridicule me, put me down or insult me, they can expect to get it back.
> Don't pile on and then patronize me and tell me to chill out, if you do,
>you can expect it to get ugly.
>
>It's become obvious to me that a few people would like to drive me off the
>group, and they may get what they want, or they may get exactly what they
>asked for, but the group won't be the same.
>
>DC, I don't appreciate your little talk. If you want to view me as the
center
>of the problem, I'll note your position. If you want to shun me or ignore
>me or whatever, go for it.
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| Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: This newsgroup has now officially gone to hell [message #98535 is a reply to message #98511] |
Mon, 05 May 2008 10:41 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Hey James, I appreciate some of the Mac posts, and the ones that don't
affect me don't bother me. It's another tool, as has been said. And a
better overall choice for some of us, right now. But to each their own
(as I think we've both said many times).
Beyond Macs, you and I have had a few disagreements along the way. Some
strong. But that's not a problem as far as I'm concerned. We all have
our opinions. We all have our blind spots. But everyone here has
something to offer.
Clearly Thad is not a Mac fan and some of his criticisms and assumptions
are ones I wouldn't make (having used a few OSX Macs pretty heavily at
this point, among other platforms), but his sense of humor was not a
problem for me. His first jokey responses missed the point that there
actually had been rumors going around about the Apple pro apps. I
wouldn't expect him to know that - he doesn't really follow Mac news,
I'm guessing. But his responses to the anon posts were funny. BTW, I
don't think there's anything to those pro app rumors.
I agree with Don that music is gear agnostic, to an extent anyway. But
the fact is we all came here to discuss gear and computers, for good
reasons, and it wouldn't be accurate to imply that there's nothing to
discuss. It isn't just blind brand loyalty that leads people to
recommend what works for them.
Discussing computer systems and software is as legit as discussing any
other part of the recording chain. While it's true that a good engineer
can do wonders with almost any piece of gear, the same engineer can
likely do even better by choosing every piece of the chain.
BTW, maybe the "cool club" mentality Don brought up is behind that weird
shunning thing. Slamming or shunning others while lecturing people about
how to behave, and pretending to speak for everyone, it seems a bit
ironic but whatever. Like all of us probably, Don has plenty to offer.
For each of us, our behavior likely makes sense within the cultures in
which we were raised. So I tend to cut people some slack, especially on
message boards where all the body language and voice inflections, a big
part of meaning and intent, are filtered out.
Also, all the PARIS group people I've met in person have been great. My
guess is that most of the arguments that break out here would never
escalate like that if everyone was actually in the same room together.
Anyway, Kim and Kerry hit the nail on the head, overall. And a big
thanks to both of them for doing something useful!
And Neil has a good point about signal to noise ratio. Which I'm sure
this post isn't helping. ;^)
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
PS. For some reason a reply to a Mac product link you sent me in private
email bounced last week, James. Looks like the problem is between my ISP
and your email service, I notified my ISP. But basically the monitor
support you mentioned looks pretty cool but wouldn't fit on my desk.
Right now my second G5 monitor fits pretty well on its own, just off to
the side of my MIDI controller keyboard. Works for now. :^)
James McCloskey wrote:
> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>> What interests me in all this is remembering a certain other fellow
>> (someone once called "the list pothead") who was also volatile and
>> would follow people he did not like and post mildly harassing comments
>> now and then.
>>
>> We learned to not engage him on his favorite trigger issues.
>> It worked, and we mostly got along.
>>
>> Well, if James ain't got it now, he ain't gonna get it. He did not come
>> up in the studio world back in the 70's and 80's like some of us, and
>> never learned that cheerleading for a brand immediately marked you
>> as a civilian. Now, I am not talking about telling another engineer
>> to check out a mic pre, I am talking about engaging working professionals
>> in bitter disputes of one brand vs. another. Studio guys simply don't
>> DO that. It's like the Ford vs. Chevy guys! I cannot imagine anything
>> more boring. As a 2nd engineer in a major facility back in 1980, if you
>> hammered some other engineer about how (say) Quad-Eight desks
>> RULE and Harrisons SUCK, and you lost your sense of humor and
>> professional attitude, you would (if they liked you) get a stern lecture
>> about how we don't CARE about brand loyalty, we only care about
>> results. If you did it again, you would be shown the door.
>>
>> Well, times have changed, and now we use consumer hardware to
>> do professional work (like everyone else does) and the consumer
>> brand-loyalty thing jumps right into our business, and it REEKS.
>>
>> I fuggin' hate it.
>>
>> James understands the negative fact that we hate it, but he does not
>> understand the positive reasons why we don't DO that.
>>
>> Ok, so I am going to try this once more, and James, if you pay attention
>> you can remove yourself from the center of this sh*storm.
>>
>> There are all kinds of wonderful people making wonderful recordings
>> with different gear than mine, and even different platforms. I don't
>> want them to not talk to me because they think I am not a pro and
>> care more about brands than talent.
>>
>> I care about music, not platforms. It's that simple.
>>
>>
>> Now, what about the mac bashing? Well that has been going on since the
>> early 90's or so when the pc people would predict the demise of Apple
>> every few weeks, and some IT directors would try to ban macs from the
>> building. ho-hum, they failed. Big time. Apple is firmly established
>> as the BMW of comp builders for both good and bad. So the bashing is
>> largely impotent pecker-waving by the jealous, and some of it is legit
>>from people who can get more performance for less money elsewhere.
>> (like buying a Vette instead of a 540)
>>
>> Who the fugg cares?
>>
>> Now James, you owe a bunch of people here (not Thad!) an apology,
>> and I suggest you leave Thad alone since you are just encouraging
>> his worst instincts...
>>
>> Or you can never be a part of the community of engineers.
>>
>> It's up to you, but I think you can do better.
>>
>> DC
>>
>>
> Oh boy oh boy oh boy, DC can I join your club of real engineers? Please!
> Please! Please! Dude, you have got to be kidding me! You don't know any
> thing about me. I have worked on Harrison consoles in the past and some
> of them do SUCK!
>
> I'll say again, I didn't start the shit here on this NG. I didn't start
> stirring it up the Mac vs PC war stuff on this NG, some of you guys did years
> ago. I got sick of hearing the same old repeated untruths about the mac
> platform, so I jumped in to straiten it out and give some information. If
> you want to believe that the Mac can't run as much software titles as a PC
> go ahead, but the truth is, Macs have been able to run more titles than a
> PC since about 1994, if you say other wise I will try to educate you.
>
> I find it funny that the people that bash Macs don't use them. If you don't
> use them on a regular basis, how and the hell do you know what your talking
> about??? I use both, I used PCs before I ever used a Mac. I believe, for
> most people, if you used both you would you would end up preferring the Mac.
> I also believe, for some people it's a left brain right brain thing, and
> they will never like a Mac. For others, I think they are just stubborn,
> or brain washed or ignorant, these are the people that will go to their graves
> insisting that Macs suck. Until you use a new Mac for a couple of years
> you won't know.
>
> I don't give a rat's ass what you use, just don't bash the mac when you don't
> know what the hell your talking about. Don't mock or insult mac users and
> you won't be mocked or insulted. It's like telling someone they are a dumb
> ass for paying $3,000.00 for a compressor when they could have bought a RNC
> for $175.00, and then talking about your new $3,000.00 mic pre you just bought.
> You don't know what the value is that they are getting out of the $3,000.00
> compressor, and you got personal and insulted their intelligence.
>
> It can go both ways, tit for tat. I didn't start the shit here on the NG.
> I didn't start the shit this time, Thad did, and John and Neil followed.
> I haven't made any post that would stir any thing up in quite some time,
> but others have. If I post anything about Apple or MS it's information.
> You may not like the information, but the information may not be for you.
> Any posts I make about mac information draws fire now. It's not about Apple,
> MS or Macs, what it is becoming, is personal. If someone is going to mock
> me, ridicule me, put me down or insult me, they can expect to get it back.
> Don't pile on and then patronize me and tell me to chill out, if you do,
> you can expect it to get ugly.
>
> It's become obvious to me that a few people would like to drive me off the
> group, and they may get what they want, or they may get exactly what they
> asked for, but the group won't be the same.
>
> DC, I don't appreciate your little talk. If you want to view me as the center
> of the problem, I'll note your position. If you want to shun me or ignore
> me or whatever, go for it.
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Mon, 05 May 2008 10:58 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
>Well, I made a real effort to help you here.
>
>When everyone else was bashing you.
>
>And this is your response?
>
>I guess you really can't do better...
>
>silly me...
>
>DC
>
>I may go buy a PC now, after washing my hands...
You've said this before, I say use what you want.
I don't think it's your place to tell me what I'm going to be part of and
what I'm not. There is no apology necessary, I was the one that was mocked,
for posting information that was relevant to some, remember?
>
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Oh boy oh boy oh boy, DC can I join your club of real engineers? Please!
>> Please! Please! Dude, you have got to be kidding me! You don't know
any
>>thing about me. I have worked on Harrison consoles in the past and some
>>of them do SUCK!
>>
>>I'll say again, I didn't start the shit here on this NG. I didn't start
>>stirring it up the Mac vs PC war stuff on this NG, some of you guys did
>years
>>ago. I got sick of hearing the same old repeated untruths about the mac
>>platform, so I jumped in to straiten it out and give some information.
>If
>>you want to believe that the Mac can't run as much software titles as a
>PC
>>go ahead, but the truth is, Macs have been able to run more titles than
>a
>>PC since about 1994, if you say other wise I will try to educate you.
>>
>>I find it funny that the people that bash Macs don't use them. If you
don't
>>use them on a regular basis, how and the hell do you know what your talking
>>about??? I use both, I used PCs before I ever used a Mac. I believe,
for
>>most people, if you used both you would you would end up preferring the
>Mac.
>> I also believe, for some people it's a left brain right brain thing, and
>>they will never like a Mac. For others, I think they are just stubborn,
>>or brain washed or ignorant, these are the people that will go to their
>graves
>>insisting that Macs suck. Until you use a new Mac for a couple of years
>>you won't know.
>>
>>I don't give a rat's ass what you use, just don't bash the mac when you
>don't
>>know what the hell your talking about. Don't mock or insult mac users
and
>>you won't be mocked or insulted. It's like telling someone they are a
dumb
>>ass for paying $3,000.00 for a compressor when they could have bought a
>RNC
>>for $175.00, and then talking about your new $3,000.00 mic pre you just
>bought.
>> You don't know what the value is that they are getting out of the $3,000.00
>>compressor, and you got personal and insulted their intelligence.
>>
>>It can go both ways, tit for tat. I didn't start the shit here on the
NG.
>> I didn't start the shit this time, Thad did, and John and Neil followed.
>> I haven't made any post that would stir any thing up in quite some time,
>>but others have. If I post anything about Apple or MS it's information.
>> You may not like the information, but the information may not be for you.
>> Any posts I make about mac information draws fire now. It's not about
>Apple,
>>MS or Macs, what it is becoming, is personal. If someone is going to mock
>>me, ridicule me, put me down or insult me, they can expect to get it back.
>> Don't pile on and then patronize me and tell me to chill out, if you do,
>>you can expect it to get ugly.
>>
>>It's become obvious to me that a few people would like to drive me off
the
>>group, and they may get what they want, or they may get exactly what they
>>asked for, but the group won't be the same.
>>
>>DC, I don't appreciate your little talk. If you want to view me as the
>center
>>of the problem, I'll note your position. If you want to shun me or ignore
>>me or whatever, go for it.
>
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Mon, 05 May 2008 10:49 |
erlilo
Messages: 405
Registered: June 2005
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hmmm....everyone else???....hmmmm;-)....
erlilo
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> skrev i en meddelelse news:481f0fab$1@linux...
>
> Well, I made a real effort to help you here.
>
> When everyone else was bashing you.
>
> And this is your response?
>
> I guess you really can't do better...
>
> silly me...
>
> DC
>
> I may go buy a PC now, after washing my hands...
>
>
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Oh boy oh boy oh boy, DC can I join your club of real engineers? Please!
>> Please! Please! Dude, you have got to be kidding me! You don't know any
>>thing about me. I have worked on Harrison consoles in the past and some
>>of them do SUCK!
>>
>>I'll say again, I didn't start the shit here on this NG. I didn't start
>>stirring it up the Mac vs PC war stuff on this NG, some of you guys did
> years
>>ago. I got sick of hearing the same old repeated untruths about the mac
>>platform, so I jumped in to straiten it out and give some information.
> If
>>you want to believe that the Mac can't run as much software titles as a
> PC
>>go ahead, but the truth is, Macs have been able to run more titles than
> a
>>PC since about 1994, if you say other wise I will try to educate you.
>>
>>I find it funny that the people that bash Macs don't use them. If you
>>don't
>>use them on a regular basis, how and the hell do you know what your
>>talking
>>about??? I use both, I used PCs before I ever used a Mac. I believe, for
>>most people, if you used both you would you would end up preferring the
> Mac.
>> I also believe, for some people it's a left brain right brain thing, and
>>they will never like a Mac. For others, I think they are just stubborn,
>>or brain washed or ignorant, these are the people that will go to their
> graves
>>insisting that Macs suck. Until you use a new Mac for a couple of years
>>you won't know.
>>
>>I don't give a rat's ass what you use, just don't bash the mac when you
> don't
>>know what the hell your talking about. Don't mock or insult mac users and
>>you won't be mocked or insulted. It's like telling someone they are a
>>dumb
>>ass for paying $3,000.00 for a compressor when they could have bought a
> RNC
>>for $175.00, and then talking about your new $3,000.00 mic pre you just
> bought.
>> You don't know what the value is that they are getting out of the
>> $3,000.00
>>compressor, and you got personal and insulted their intelligence.
>>
>>It can go both ways, tit for tat. I didn't start the shit here on the NG.
>> I didn't start the shit this time, Thad did, and John and Neil followed.
>> I haven't made any post that would stir any thing up in quite some time,
>>but others have. If I post anything about Apple or MS it's information.
>> You may not like the information, but the information may not be for you.
>> Any posts I make about mac information draws fire now. It's not about
> Apple,
>>MS or Macs, what it is becoming, is personal. If someone is going to mock
>>me, ridicule me, put me down or insult me, they can expect to get it back.
>> Don't pile on and then patronize me and tell me to chill out, if you do,
>>you can expect it to get ugly.
>>
>>It's become obvious to me that a few people would like to drive me off the
>>group, and they may get what they want, or they may get exactly what they
>>asked for, but the group won't be the same.
>>
>>DC, I don't appreciate your little talk. If you want to view me as the
> center
>>of the problem, I'll note your position. If you want to shun me or ignore
>>me or whatever, go for it.
>
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Mon, 05 May 2008 12:07 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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See DC, you don't get it. Reread my past posts. I don't care what you use.
I use both Macs and PCs, I prefer Macs, but it's not about brand loyalty.
I'm just passing information on to some of the other mac users that might
be interested. It's just bullshit to get jumped every time I do. Some times
I might even post about something that is mac related but not audio related.
Things like BlackBerrys have been discussed here, it's not a reason for
a war. I'll try to post to the general NG things that are not audio related,
however, if nobody else follows this rule, nobody should expect me to. One
other thing, a lot of people miss what is posted to the general NG. I personally
believe that if the NG is divided up too much it will fall apart.
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>There is no apology necessary, I was the one that was mocked,
>>for posting information that was relevant to some, remember?
>
>So mock back, fer Pete's sake...
>
>Yelling at Thad behind some patently fake persona and
>dragging the whole list down is unacceptable
>
>You do it because you are too sensitive to mac-bashing.
>It's just gear. get over it.
>
>Tell you what, go find an old mac, say a dead one, and
>gleefully take a ballpeen hammer to it.
>
>Then a PC.
>
>The whole time repeating:
>
>I don't care about brand loyalty
>I don't care about brand loyalty
>I don't care about brand loyalty
>I don't care about brand loyalty
>I don't care about brand loyalty
>
>Then post the pics.
>
>
>or not...
>
>DC
>
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Mon, 05 May 2008 12:24 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Jamie, sometime your the only voice of reason around here.
Jamie K <JamieN0-SPAM@JamieKrutzN0-SPAM.com> wrote:
>
>Hey James, I appreciate some of the Mac posts, and the ones that don't
>affect me don't bother me. It's another tool, as has been said. And a
>better overall choice for some of us, right now. But to each their own
>(as I think we've both said many times).
>
>Beyond Macs, you and I have had a few disagreements along the way. Some
>strong. But that's not a problem as far as I'm concerned. We all have
>our opinions. We all have our blind spots. But everyone here has
>something to offer.
>
>Clearly Thad is not a Mac fan and some of his criticisms and assumptions
>are ones I wouldn't make (having used a few OSX Macs pretty heavily at
>this point, among other platforms), but his sense of humor was not a
>problem for me. His first jokey responses missed the point that there
>actually had been rumors going around about the Apple pro apps. I
>wouldn't expect him to know that - he doesn't really follow Mac news,
>I'm guessing. But his responses to the anon posts were funny. BTW, I
>don't think there's anything to those pro app rumors.
>
>I agree with Don that music is gear agnostic, to an extent anyway. But
>the fact is we all came here to discuss gear and computers, for good
>reasons, and it wouldn't be accurate to imply that there's nothing to
>discuss. It isn't just blind brand loyalty that leads people to
>recommend what works for them.
>
>Discussing computer systems and software is as legit as discussing any
>other part of the recording chain. While it's true that a good engineer
>can do wonders with almost any piece of gear, the same engineer can
>likely do even better by choosing every piece of the chain.
>
>BTW, maybe the "cool club" mentality Don brought up is behind that weird
>shunning thing. Slamming or shunning others while lecturing people about
>how to behave, and pretending to speak for everyone, it seems a bit
>ironic but whatever. Like all of us probably, Don has plenty to offer.
>
>For each of us, our behavior likely makes sense within the cultures in
>which we were raised. So I tend to cut people some slack, especially on
>message boards where all the body language and voice inflections, a big
>part of meaning and intent, are filtered out.
>
>Also, all the PARIS group people I've met in person have been great. My
>guess is that most of the arguments that break out here would never
>escalate like that if everyone was actually in the same room together.
>
>Anyway, Kim and Kerry hit the nail on the head, overall. And a big
>thanks to both of them for doing something useful!
>
>And Neil has a good point about signal to noise ratio. Which I'm sure
>this post isn't helping. ;^)
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>PS. For some reason a reply to a Mac product link you sent me in private
>email bounced last week, James. Looks like the problem is between my ISP
>and your email service, I notified my ISP. But basically the monitor
>support you mentioned looks pretty cool but wouldn't fit on my desk.
>Right now my second G5 monitor fits pretty well on its own, just off to
>the side of my MIDI controller keyboard. Works for now. :^)
>
>
>
>
>
>James McCloskey wrote:
>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>> What interests me in all this is remembering a certain other fellow
>>> (someone once called "the list pothead") who was also volatile and
>>> would follow people he did not like and post mildly harassing comments
>>> now and then.
>>>
>>> We learned to not engage him on his favorite trigger issues.
>>> It worked, and we mostly got along.
>>>
>>> Well, if James ain't got it now, he ain't gonna get it. He did not
come
>>> up in the studio world back in the 70's and 80's like some of us, and
>>> never learned that cheerleading for a brand immediately marked you
>>> as a civilian. Now, I am not talking about telling another engineer
>>> to check out a mic pre, I am talking about engaging working professionals
>>> in bitter disputes of one brand vs. another. Studio guys simply don't
>>> DO that. It's like the Ford vs. Chevy guys! I cannot imagine anything
>>> more boring. As a 2nd engineer in a major facility back in 1980, if
you
>>> hammered some other engineer about how (say) Quad-Eight desks
>>> RULE and Harrisons SUCK, and you lost your sense of humor and
>>> professional attitude, you would (if they liked you) get a stern lecture
>>> about how we don't CARE about brand loyalty, we only care about
>>> results. If you did it again, you would be shown the door.
>>>
>>> Well, times have changed, and now we use consumer hardware to
>>> do professional work (like everyone else does) and the consumer
>>> brand-loyalty thing jumps right into our business, and it REEKS.
>>>
>>> I fuggin' hate it.
>>>
>>> James understands the negative fact that we hate it, but he does not
>>> understand the positive reasons why we don't DO that.
>>>
>>> Ok, so I am going to try this once more, and James, if you pay attention
>>> you can remove yourself from the center of this sh*storm.
>>>
>>> There are all kinds of wonderful people making wonderful recordings
>>> with different gear than mine, and even different platforms. I don't
>>> want them to not talk to me because they think I am not a pro and
>>> care more about brands than talent.
>>>
>>> I care about music, not platforms. It's that simple.
>>>
>>>
>>> Now, what about the mac bashing? Well that has been going on since
the
>>> early 90's or so when the pc people would predict the demise of Apple
>>> every few weeks, and some IT directors would try to ban macs from the
>>> building. ho-hum, they failed. Big time. Apple is firmly established
>>> as the BMW of comp builders for both good and bad. So the bashing is
>>> largely impotent pecker-waving by the jealous, and some of it is legit
>>>from people who can get more performance for less money elsewhere.
>>> (like buying a Vette instead of a 540)
>>>
>>> Who the fugg cares?
>>>
>>> Now James, you owe a bunch of people here (not Thad!) an apology,
>>> and I suggest you leave Thad alone since you are just encouraging
>>> his worst instincts...
>>>
>>> Or you can never be a part of the community of engineers.
>>>
>>> It's up to you, but I think you can do better.
>>>
>>> DC
>>>
>>>
>> Oh boy oh boy oh boy, DC can I join your club of real engineers? Please!
>> Please! Please! Dude, you have got to be kidding me! You don't know
any
>> thing about me. I have worked on Harrison consoles in the past and some
>> of them do SUCK!
>>
>> I'll say again, I didn't start the shit here on this NG. I didn't start
>> stirring it up the Mac vs PC war stuff on this NG, some of you guys did
years
>> ago. I got sick of hearing the same old repeated untruths about the mac
>> platform, so I jumped in to straiten it out and give some information.
If
>> you want to believe that the Mac can't run as much software titles as
a PC
>> go ahead, but the truth is, Macs have been able to run more titles than
a
>> PC since about 1994, if you say other wise I will try to educate you.
>>
>> I find it funny that the people that bash Macs don't use them. If you
don't
>> use them on a regular basis, how and the hell do you know what your talking
>> about??? I use both, I used PCs before I ever used a Mac. I believe,
for
>> most people, if you used both you would you would end up preferring the
Mac.
>> I also believe, for some people it's a left brain right brain thing,
and
>> they will never like a Mac. For others, I think they are just stubborn,
>> or brain washed or ignorant, these are the people that will go to their
graves
>> insisting that Macs suck. Until you use a new Mac for a couple of years
>> you won't know.
>>
>> I don't give a rat's ass what you use, just don't bash the mac when you
don't
>> know what the hell your talking about. Don't mock or insult mac users
and
>> you won't be mocked or insulted. It's like telling someone they are a
dumb
>> ass for paying $3,000.00 for a compressor when they could have bought
a RNC
>> for $175.00, and then talking about your new $3,000.00 mic pre you just
bought.
>> You don't know what the value is that they are getting out of the $3,000.00
>> compressor, and you got personal and insulted their intelligence.
>>
>> It can go both ways, tit for tat. I didn't start the shit here on the
NG.
>> I didn't start the shit this time, Thad did, and John and Neil followed.
>> I haven't made any post that would stir any thing up in quite some time,
>> but others have. If I post anything about Apple or MS it's information.
>> You may not like the information, but the information may not be for
you.
>> Any posts I make about mac information draws fire now. It's not about
Apple,
>> MS or Macs, what it is becoming, is personal. If someone is going to
mock
>> me, ridicule me, put me down or insult me, they can expect to get it back.
>> Don't pile on and then patronize me and tell me to chill out, if you
do,
>> you can expect it to get ugly.
>>
>> It's become obvious to me that a few people would like to drive me off
the
>> group, and they may get what they want, or they may get exactly what they
>> asked for, but the group won't be the same.
>>
>> DC, I don't appreciate your little talk. If you want to view me as the
center
>> of the problem, I'll note your position. If you want to shun me or ignore
>> me or whatever, go for it.
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Tue, 06 May 2008 01:59 |
rick
Messages: 1976
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i called john a bitch a few posts back.
On Mon, 5 May 2008 19:49:52 +0200, "erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk>
wrote:
>hmmm....everyone else???....hmmmm;-)....
>
>erlilo
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> skrev i en meddelelse news:481f0fab$1@linux...
>>
>> Well, I made a real effort to help you here.
>>
>> When everyone else was bashing you.
>>
>> And this is your response?
>>
>> I guess you really can't do better...
>>
>> silly me...
>>
>> DC
>>
>> I may go buy a PC now, after washing my hands...
>>
>>
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Oh boy oh boy oh boy, DC can I join your club of real engineers? Please!
>>> Please! Please! Dude, you have got to be kidding me! You don't know any
>>>thing about me. I have worked on Harrison consoles in the past and some
>>>of them do SUCK!
>>>
>>>I'll say again, I didn't start the shit here on this NG. I didn't start
>>>stirring it up the Mac vs PC war stuff on this NG, some of you guys did
>> years
>>>ago. I got sick of hearing the same old repeated untruths about the mac
>>>platform, so I jumped in to straiten it out and give some information.
>> If
>>>you want to believe that the Mac can't run as much software titles as a
>> PC
>>>go ahead, but the truth is, Macs have been able to run more titles than
>> a
>>>PC since about 1994, if you say other wise I will try to educate you.
>>>
>>>I find it funny that the people that bash Macs don't use them. If you
>>>don't
>>>use them on a regular basis, how and the hell do you know what your
>>>talking
>>>about??? I use both, I used PCs before I ever used a Mac. I believe, for
>>>most people, if you used both you would you would end up preferring the
>> Mac.
>>> I also believe, for some people it's a left brain right brain thing, and
>>>they will never like a Mac. For others, I think they are just stubborn,
>>>or brain washed or ignorant, these are the people that will go to their
>> graves
>>>insisting that Macs suck. Until you use a new Mac for a couple of years
>>>you won't know.
>>>
>>>I don't give a rat's ass what you use, just don't bash the mac when you
>> don't
>>>know what the hell your talking about. Don't mock or insult mac users and
>>>you won't be mocked or insulted. It's like telling someone they are a
>>>dumb
>>>ass for paying $3,000.00 for a compressor when they could have bought a
>> RNC
>>>for $175.00, and then talking about your new $3,000.00 mic pre you just
>> bought.
>>> You don't know what the value is that they are getting out of the
>>> $3,000.00
>>>compressor, and you got personal and insulted their intelligence.
>>>
>>>It can go both ways, tit for tat. I didn't start the shit here on the NG.
>>> I didn't start the shit this time, Thad did, and John and Neil followed.
>>> I haven't made any post that would stir any thing up in quite some time,
>>>but others have. If I post anything about Apple or MS it's information.
>>> You may not like the information, but the information may not be for you.
>>> Any posts I make about mac information draws fire now. It's not about
>> Apple,
>>>MS or Macs, what it is becoming, is personal. If someone is going to mock
>>>me, ridicule me, put me down or insult me, they can expect to get it back.
>>> Don't pile on and then patronize me and tell me to chill out, if you do,
>>>you can expect it to get ugly.
>>>
>>>It's become obvious to me that a few people would like to drive me off the
>>>group, and they may get what they want, or they may get exactly what they
>>>asked for, but the group won't be the same.
>>>
>>>DC, I don't appreciate your little talk. If you want to view me as the
>> center
>>>of the problem, I'll note your position. If you want to shun me or ignore
>>>me or whatever, go for it.
>>
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Tue, 06 May 2008 02:31 |
erlilo
Messages: 405
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.....if it's true, I think John have been enough thickskinned here to survive
with it;-)...
"rick" <parnell68athotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:7e7024h2a69uqn1s40k25027il8mgbl67c@4ax.com...
>i called john a bitch a few posts back.
>
> On Mon, 5 May 2008 19:49:52 +0200, "erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk>
> wrote:
>
>>hmmm....everyone else???....hmmmm;-)....
>>
>>erlilo
>>
>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>news:481f0fab$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Well, I made a real effort to help you here.
>>>
>>> When everyone else was bashing you.
>>>
>>> And this is your response?
>>>
>>> I guess you really can't do better...
>>>
>>> silly me...
>>>
>>> DC
>>>
>>> I may go buy a PC now, after washing my hands...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Oh boy oh boy oh boy, DC can I join your club of real engineers?
>>>>Please!
>>>> Please! Please! Dude, you have got to be kidding me! You don't know
>>>> any
>>>>thing about me. I have worked on Harrison consoles in the past and some
>>>>of them do SUCK!
>>>>
>>>>I'll say again, I didn't start the shit here on this NG. I didn't start
>>>>stirring it up the Mac vs PC war stuff on this NG, some of you guys did
>>> years
>>>>ago. I got sick of hearing the same old repeated untruths about the mac
>>>>platform, so I jumped in to straiten it out and give some information.
>>> If
>>>>you want to believe that the Mac can't run as much software titles as a
>>> PC
>>>>go ahead, but the truth is, Macs have been able to run more titles than
>>> a
>>>>PC since about 1994, if you say other wise I will try to educate you.
>>>>
>>>>I find it funny that the people that bash Macs don't use them. If you
>>>>don't
>>>>use them on a regular basis, how and the hell do you know what your
>>>>talking
>>>>about??? I use both, I used PCs before I ever used a Mac. I believe,
>>>>for
>>>>most people, if you used both you would you would end up preferring the
>>> Mac.
>>>> I also believe, for some people it's a left brain right brain thing,
>>>> and
>>>>they will never like a Mac. For others, I think they are just stubborn,
>>>>or brain washed or ignorant, these are the people that will go to their
>>> graves
>>>>insisting that Macs suck. Until you use a new Mac for a couple of years
>>>>you won't know.
>>>>
>>>>I don't give a rat's ass what you use, just don't bash the mac when you
>>> don't
>>>>know what the hell your talking about. Don't mock or insult mac users
>>>>and
>>>>you won't be mocked or insulted. It's like telling someone they are a
>>>>dumb
>>>>ass for paying $3,000.00 for a compressor when they could have bought a
>>> RNC
>>>>for $175.00, and then talking about your new $3,000.00 mic pre you just
>>> bought.
>>>> You don't know what the value is that they are getting out of the
>>>> $3,000.00
>>>>compressor, and you got personal and insulted their intelligence.
>>>>
>>>>It can go both ways, tit for tat. I didn't start the shit here on the
>>>>NG.
>>>> I didn't start the shit this time, Thad did, and John and Neil
>>>> followed.
>>>> I haven't made any post that would stir any thing up in quite some
>>>> time,
>>>>but others have. If I post anything about Apple or MS it's information.
>>>> You may not like the information, but the information may not be for
>>>> you.
>>>> Any posts I make about mac information draws fire now. It's not about
>>> Apple,
>>>>MS or Macs, what it is becoming, is personal. If someone is going to
>>>>mock
>>>>me, ridicule me, put me down or insult me, they can expect to get it
>>>>back.
>>>> Don't pile on and then patronize me and tell me to chill out, if you
>>>> do,
>>>>you can expect it to get ugly.
>>>>
>>>>It's become obvious to me that a few people would like to drive me off
>>>>the
>>>>group, and they may get what they want, or they may get exactly what
>>>>they
>>>>asked for, but the group won't be the same.
>>>>
>>>>DC, I don't appreciate your little talk. If you want to view me as the
>>> center
>>>>of the problem, I'll note your position. If you want to shun me or
>>>>ignore
>>>>me or whatever, go for it.
>>>
>>
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Tue, 06 May 2008 04:58 |
rick
Messages: 1976
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then props to john...good john good.
On Tue, 6 May 2008 11:31:57 +0200, "erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk>
wrote:
>....if it's true, I think John have been enough thickskinned here to survive
>with it;-)...
>
>
>"rick" <parnell68athotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>news:7e7024h2a69uqn1s40k25027il8mgbl67c@4ax.com...
>>i called john a bitch a few posts back.
>>
>> On Mon, 5 May 2008 19:49:52 +0200, "erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>hmmm....everyone else???....hmmmm;-)....
>>>
>>>erlilo
>>>
>>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>news:481f0fab$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Well, I made a real effort to help you here.
>>>>
>>>> When everyone else was bashing you.
>>>>
>>>> And this is your response?
>>>>
>>>> I guess you really can't do better...
>>>>
>>>> silly me...
>>>>
>>>> DC
>>>>
>>>> I may go buy a PC now, after washing my hands...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Oh boy oh boy oh boy, DC can I join your club of real engineers?
>>>>>Please!
>>>>> Please! Please! Dude, you have got to be kidding me! You don't know
>>>>> any
>>>>>thing about me. I have worked on Harrison consoles in the past and some
>>>>>of them do SUCK!
>>>>>
>>>>>I'll say again, I didn't start the shit here on this NG. I didn't start
>>>>>stirring it up the Mac vs PC war stuff on this NG, some of you guys did
>>>> years
>>>>>ago. I got sick of hearing the same old repeated untruths about the mac
>>>>>platform, so I jumped in to straiten it out and give some information.
>>>> If
>>>>>you want to believe that the Mac can't run as much software titles as a
>>>> PC
>>>>>go ahead, but the truth is, Macs have been able to run more titles than
>>>> a
>>>>>PC since about 1994, if you say other wise I will try to educate you.
>>>>>
>>>>>I find it funny that the people that bash Macs don't use them. If you
>>>>>don't
>>>>>use them on a regular basis, how and the hell do you know what your
>>>>>talking
>>>>>about??? I use both, I used PCs before I ever used a Mac. I believe,
>>>>>for
>>>>>most people, if you used both you would you would end up preferring the
>>>> Mac.
>>>>> I also believe, for some people it's a left brain right brain thing,
>>>>> and
>>>>>they will never like a Mac. For others, I think they are just stubborn,
>>>>>or brain washed or ignorant, these are the people that will go to their
>>>> graves
>>>>>insisting that Macs suck. Until you use a new Mac for a couple of years
>>>>>you won't know.
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't give a rat's ass what you use, just don't bash the mac when you
>>>> don't
>>>>>know what the hell your talking about. Don't mock or insult mac users
>>>>>and
>>>>>you won't be mocked or insulted. It's like telling someone they are a
>>>>>dumb
>>>>>ass for paying $3,000.00 for a compressor when they could have bought a
>>>> RNC
>>>>>for $175.00, and then talking about your new $3,000.00 mic pre you just
>>>> bought.
>>>>> You don't know what the value is that they are getting out of the
>>>>> $3,000.00
>>>>>compressor, and you got personal and insulted their intelligence.
>>>>>
>>>>>It can go both ways, tit for tat. I didn't start the shit here on the
>>>>>NG.
>>>>> I didn't start the shit this time, Thad did, and John and Neil
>>>>> followed.
>>>>> I haven't made any post that would stir any thing up in quite some
>>>>> time,
>>>>>but others have. If I post anything about Apple or MS it's information.
>>>>> You may not like the information, but the information may not be for
>>>>> you.
>>>>> Any posts I make about mac information draws fire now. It's not about
>>>> Apple,
>>>>>MS or Macs, what it is becoming, is personal. If someone is going to
>>>>>mock
>>>>>me, ridicule me, put me down or insult me, they can expect to get it
>>>>>back.
>>>>> Don't pile on and then patronize me and tell me to chill out, if you
>>>>> do,
>>>>>you can expect it to get ugly.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's become obvious to me that a few people would like to drive me off
>>>>>the
>>>>>group, and they may get what they want, or they may get exactly what
>>>>>they
>>>>>asked for, but the group won't be the same.
>>>>>
>>>>>DC, I don't appreciate your little talk. If you want to view me as the
>>>> center
>>>>>of the problem, I'll note your position. If you want to shun me or
>>>>>ignore
>>>>>me or whatever, go for it.
>>>>
>>>
>>
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Tue, 06 May 2008 06:08 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
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No, actually my lawyer is just busy preparing the case "Rock Star vs Sleep
With Fists Family". hehe
rick <parnell68athotmail.com> wrote:
>then props to john...good john good.
>
>On Tue, 6 May 2008 11:31:57 +0200, "erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk>
>wrote:
>
>>....if it's true, I think John have been enough thickskinned here to survive
>>with it;-)...
>>
>>
>>"rick" <parnell68athotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>news:7e7024h2a69uqn1s40k25027il8mgbl67c@4ax.com...
>>>i called john a bitch a few posts back.
>>>
>>> On Mon, 5 May 2008 19:49:52 +0200, "erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>hmmm....everyone else???....hmmmm;-)....
>>>>
>>>>erlilo
>>>>
>>>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>news:481f0fab$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I made a real effort to help you here.
>>>>>
>>>>> When everyone else was bashing you.
>>>>>
>>>>> And this is your response?
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess you really can't do better...
>>>>>
>>>>> silly me...
>>>>>
>>>>> DC
>>>>>
>>>>> I may go buy a PC now, after washing my hands...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Oh boy oh boy oh boy, DC can I join your club of real engineers?
>>>>>>Please!
>>>>>> Please! Please! Dude, you have got to be kidding me! You don't know
>>>>>> any
>>>>>>thing about me. I have worked on Harrison consoles in the past and
some
>>>>>>of them do SUCK!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'll say again, I didn't start the shit here on this NG. I didn't
start
>>>>>>stirring it up the Mac vs PC war stuff on this NG, some of you guys
did
>>>>> years
>>>>>>ago. I got sick of hearing the same old repeated untruths about the
mac
>>>>>>platform, so I jumped in to straiten it out and give some information.
>>>>> If
>>>>>>you want to believe that the Mac can't run as much software titles
as a
>>>>> PC
>>>>>>go ahead, but the truth is, Macs have been able to run more titles
than
>>>>> a
>>>>>>PC since about 1994, if you say other wise I will try to educate you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I find it funny that the people that bash Macs don't use them. If
you
>>>>>>don't
>>>>>>use them on a regular basis, how and the hell do you know what your
>>>>>>talking
>>>>>>about??? I use both, I used PCs before I ever used a Mac. I believe,
>>>>>>for
>>>>>>most people, if you used both you would you would end up preferring
the
>>>>> Mac.
>>>>>> I also believe, for some people it's a left brain right brain thing,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>they will never like a Mac. For others, I think they are just stubborn,
>>>>>>or brain washed or ignorant, these are the people that will go to their
>>>>> graves
>>>>>>insisting that Macs suck. Until you use a new Mac for a couple of
years
>>>>>>you won't know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't give a rat's ass what you use, just don't bash the mac when
you
>>>>> don't
>>>>>>know what the hell your talking about. Don't mock or insult mac users
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>you won't be mocked or insulted. It's like telling someone they are
a
>>>>>>dumb
>>>>>>ass for paying $3,000.00 for a compressor when they could have bought
a
>>>>> RNC
>>>>>>for $175.00, and then talking about your new $3,000.00 mic pre you
just
>>>>> bought.
>>>>>> You don't know what the value is that they are getting out of the
>>>>>> $3,000.00
>>>>>>compressor, and you got personal and insulted their intelligence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It can go both ways, tit for tat. I didn't start the shit here on
the
>>>>>>NG.
>>>>>> I didn't start the shit this time, Thad did, and John and Neil
>>>>>> followed.
>>>>>> I haven't made any post that would stir any thing up in quite some
>>>>>> time,
>>>>>>but others have. If I post anything about Apple or MS it's information.
>>>>>> You may not like the information, but the information may not be for
>>>>>> you.
>>>>>> Any posts I make about mac information draws fire now. It's not about
>>>>> Apple,
>>>>>>MS or Macs, what it is becoming, is personal. If someone is going
to
>>>>>>mock
>>>>>>me, ridicule me, put me down or insult me, they can expect to get it
>>>>>>back.
>>>>>> Don't pile on and then patronize me and tell me to chill out, if you
>>>>>> do,
>>>>>>you can expect it to get ugly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's become obvious to me that a few people would like to drive me
off
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>group, and they may get what they want, or they may get exactly what
>>>>>>they
>>>>>>asked for, but the group won't be the same.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>DC, I don't appreciate your little talk. If you want to view me as
the
>>>>> center
>>>>>>of the problem, I'll note your position. If you want to shun me or
>>>>>>ignore
>>>>>>me or whatever, go for it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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Wed, 07 May 2008 01:46 |
rick
Messages: 1976
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actually that would be the punched in the night family...you know, guy
head of household thing. if you're going to "court" me at least
pretend to respect me...sniff...sniff...and those are angry tears
mister.
On 6 May 2008 23:08:54 +1000, "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>No, actually my lawyer is just busy preparing the case "Rock Star vs Sleep
>With Fists Family". hehe
>
>rick <parnell68athotmail.com> wrote:
>>then props to john...good john good.
>>
>>On Tue, 6 May 2008 11:31:57 +0200, "erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>....if it's true, I think John have been enough thickskinned here to survive
>
>>>with it;-)...
>>>
>>>
>>>"rick" <parnell68athotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>news:7e7024h2a69uqn1s40k25027il8mgbl67c@4ax.com...
>>>>i called john a bitch a few posts back.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 5 May 2008 19:49:52 +0200, "erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>hmmm....everyone else???....hmmmm;-)....
>>>>>
>>>>>erlilo
>>>>>
>>>>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>news:481f0fab$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, I made a real effort to help you here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When everyone else was bashing you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And this is your response?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess you really can't do better...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> silly me...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I may go buy a PC now, after washing my hands...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Oh boy oh boy oh boy, DC can I join your club of real engineers?
>>>>>>>Please!
>>>>>>> Please! Please! Dude, you have got to be kidding me! You don't know
>
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>thing about me. I have worked on Harrison consoles in the past and
>some
>>>>>>>of them do SUCK!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'll say again, I didn't start the shit here on this NG. I didn't
>start
>>>>>>>stirring it up the Mac vs PC war stuff on this NG, some of you guys
>did
>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>ago. I got sick of hearing the same old repeated untruths about the
>mac
>>>>>>>platform, so I jumped in to straiten it out and give some information.
>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>you want to believe that the Mac can't run as much software titles
>as a
>>>>>> PC
>>>>>>>go ahead, but the truth is, Macs have been able to run more titles
>than
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>PC since about 1994, if you say other wise I will try to educate you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I find it funny that the people that bash Macs don't use them. If
>you
>>>>>>>don't
>>>>>>>use them on a regular basis, how and the hell do you know what your
>>>>>>>talking
>>>>>>>about??? I use both, I used PCs before I ever used a Mac. I believe,
>
>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>most people, if you used both you would you would end up preferring
>the
>>>>>> Mac.
>>>>>>> I also believe, for some people it's a left brain right brain thing,
>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>they will never like a Mac. For others, I think they are just stubborn,
>>>>>>>or brain washed or ignorant, these are the people that will go to their
>>>>>> graves
>>>>>>>insisting that Macs suck. Until you use a new Mac for a couple of
>years
>>>>>>>you won't know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I don't give a rat's ass what you use, just don't bash the mac when
>you
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>know what the hell your talking about. Don't mock or insult mac users
>
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>you won't be mocked or insulted. It's like telling someone they are
>a
>>>>>>>dumb
>>>>>>>ass for paying $3,000.00 for a compressor when they could have bought
>a
>>>>>> RNC
>>>>>>>for $175.00, and then talking about your new $3,000.00 mic pre you
>just
>>>>>> bought.
>>>>>>> You don't know what the value is that they are getting out of the
>>>>>>> $3,000.00
>>>>>>>compressor, and you got personal and insulted their intelligence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It can go both ways, tit for tat. I didn't start the shit here on
>the
>>>>>>>NG.
>>>>>>> I didn't start the shit this time, Thad did, and John and Neil
>>>>>>> followed.
>>>>>>> I haven't made any post that would stir any thing up in quite some
>
>>>>>>> time,
>>>>>>>but others have. If I post anything about Apple or MS it's information.
>>>>>>> You may not like the information, but the information may not be for
>
>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>> Any posts I make about mac information draws fire now. It's not about
>>>>>> Apple,
>>>>>>>MS or Macs, what it is becoming, is personal. If someone is going
>to
>>>>>>>mock
>>>>>>>me, ridicule me, put me down or insult me, they can expect to get it
>
>>>>>>>back.
>>>>>>> Don't pile on and then patronize me and tell me to chill out, if you
>
>>>>>>> do,
>>>>>>>you can expect it to get ugly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It's become obvious to me that a few people would like to drive me
>off
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>group, and they may get what they want, or they may get exactly what
>
>>>>>>>they
>>>>>>>asked for, but the group won't be the same.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>DC, I don't appreciate your little talk. If you want to view me as
>the
>>>>>> center
>>>>>>>of the problem, I'll note your position. If you want to shun me or
>
>>>>>>>ignore
>>>>>>>me or whatever, go for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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