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| Re: Guitar - compensated nut (Physics) [message #71451 is a reply to message #71433] |
Sat, 19 August 2006 08:31   |
Gary Flanigan
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"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>I think, FWIW, that there's no such thing as perfect
>intonation - other than on instruments that don't have any kind
>of fixed intervals (such as violins, cellos, trombones, etc,
>etc); and that perfect intonation CAPABILITY is subject to the
>operator, who - being human - is imperfect as well, and
>therefore incapable of hitting every note with perfect pitch
>every single time. So I say, you can even-temper your pianos,
>intonate your guitars, install new nuts, do whatever you want
>to get as close as possible, yes; but nothing's ever going to
>be perfect, so don't sweat a few cents off here & there.
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>And if you're THAT picky about perfect intonation, let's not
>even TALK about "pushing pitch" as a vocal technique. lol
What is "pushing pitch"? This is the first I've heard the term.
Thanks
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| Re: Guitar - compensated nut (Physics) [message #71456 is a reply to message #71451] |
Sat, 19 August 2006 09:58 |
Neil
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"Gary Flanigan" <gary_flangian@ce9.uscourts.gov> wrote:
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>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>>I think, FWIW, that there's no such thing as perfect
>>intonation - other than on instruments that don't have any kind
>>of fixed intervals (such as violins, cellos, trombones, etc,
>>etc); and that perfect intonation CAPABILITY is subject to the
>>operator, who - being human - is imperfect as well, and
>>therefore incapable of hitting every note with perfect pitch
>>every single time. So I say, you can even-temper your pianos,
>>intonate your guitars, install new nuts, do whatever you want
>>to get as close as possible, yes; but nothing's ever going to
>>be perfect, so don't sweat a few cents off here & there.
>>
>>And if you're THAT picky about perfect intonation, let's not
>>even TALK about "pushing pitch" as a vocal technique. lol
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>What is "pushing pitch"? This is the first I've heard the term.
It's where you hit a sustained note & after holding that pitch
for moment or two, "push" ever so slightly sharp shortly before
the next passage or line... it creates tension if done properly,
and while some people probably do it inadvertently, there are
also vocal instructors who teach it as a regular technique.
You hear it in ballads a lot - think Mariah, Whitney, et. al.
Neil
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| Re: Guitar - compensated nut (Physics) [message #71506 is a reply to message #71456] |
Sun, 20 August 2006 14:27 |
tonehouse
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Thanks Neil that's exactly what I was trying to say.....pitch is
subjective....
"Neil" <IUOI@OIU.com> wrote in message news:44e7433b$1@linux...
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> "Gary Flanigan" <gary_flangian@ce9.uscourts.gov> wrote:
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> >"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>I think, FWIW, that there's no such thing as perfect
> >>intonation - other than on instruments that don't have any kind
> >>of fixed intervals (such as violins, cellos, trombones, etc,
> >>etc); and that perfect intonation CAPABILITY is subject to the
> >>operator, who - being human - is imperfect as well, and
> >>therefore incapable of hitting every note with perfect pitch
> >>every single time. So I say, you can even-temper your pianos,
> >>intonate your guitars, install new nuts, do whatever you want
> >>to get as close as possible, yes; but nothing's ever going to
> >>be perfect, so don't sweat a few cents off here & there.
> >>
> >>And if you're THAT picky about perfect intonation, let's not
> >>even TALK about "pushing pitch" as a vocal technique. lol
> >
> >
> >What is "pushing pitch"? This is the first I've heard the term.
>
> It's where you hit a sustained note & after holding that pitch
> for moment or two, "push" ever so slightly sharp shortly before
> the next passage or line... it creates tension if done properly,
> and while some people probably do it inadvertently, there are
> also vocal instructors who teach it as a regular technique.
> You hear it in ballads a lot - think Mariah, Whitney, et. al.
>
> Neil
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| Re: Guitar - compensated nut (Physics) [message #71509 is a reply to message #71506] |
Sun, 20 August 2006 15:22 |
dc[3]
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Actually pitch is absolute and may be perfectly measured.
I think what you are getting at is that perception of pitch, or
"in-tuness" is subjective, and indeed it is. This is why many people
find just intonation flat and boring sounding.
All I've done is do for the nut what we do for the bridge, which is
to adjust it as close as we can to accurate (not perfect) and use
that as the foundation for playing, rather than something that is
so inaccurate that many people find it annoying and most guitar
players have to learn to compensate for it by avoiding certain
strings in certain keys.
BTW, I have lived with this setup for a couple days now and
absolutely love it. One thing that has changed though, is that
the Peterson sweetened tuning now does not sound very good
on this guitar. Standard equal-temperment works better with
the nut compensated. Interesting.
More to follow.
DC
"tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net> wrote:
>Thanks Neil that's exactly what I was trying to say.....pitch is
>subjective....
>"Neil" <IUOI@OIU.com> wrote in message news:44e7433b$1@linux...
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>> "Gary Flanigan" <gary_flangian@ce9.uscourts.gov> wrote:
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>> >"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>I think, FWIW, that there's no such thing as perfect
>> >>intonation - other than on instruments that don't have any kind
>> >>of fixed intervals (such as violins, cellos, trombones, etc,
>> >>etc); and that perfect intonation CAPABILITY is subject to the
>> >>operator, who - being human - is imperfect as well, and
>> >>therefore incapable of hitting every note with perfect pitch
>> >>every single time. So I say, you can even-temper your pianos,
>> >>intonate your guitars, install new nuts, do whatever you want
>> >>to get as close as possible, yes; but nothing's ever going to
>> >>be perfect, so don't sweat a few cents off here & there.
>> >>
>> >>And if you're THAT picky about perfect intonation, let's not
>> >>even TALK about "pushing pitch" as a vocal technique. lol
>> >
>> >
>> >What is "pushing pitch"? This is the first I've heard the term.
>>
>> It's where you hit a sustained note & after holding that pitch
>> for moment or two, "push" ever so slightly sharp shortly before
>> the next passage or line... it creates tension if done properly,
>> and while some people probably do it inadvertently, there are
>> also vocal instructors who teach it as a regular technique.
>> You hear it in ballads a lot - think Mariah, Whitney, et. al.
>>
>> Neil
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