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| Happy New Year!......8 core Mac Pro [message #94474] |
Tue, 08 January 2008 08:17  |
Nappy
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Happy New Year everybody. it just may be the time to consider the new Mac
Pro
with 8 core processors. Apple is getting the store ready now.
respect
Nappy
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| Re: Happy New Year!......8 core Mac Pro [message #94479 is a reply to message #94476] |
Tue, 08 January 2008 10:29  |
Dedric Terry
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A dual quad 3.2 with 16G of ram would pretty much rock the house... for only
about $6k if you buy ram
somewhere else.
Actually this is interesting - basically the same dual quad 3.2G system from
Dell, base config (2G ram), is more than Apple's (about $5300 vs. $4400 from
Apple - pretty big difference). That's with only an 80G system drive on the
Dell. Dude.... don't get a Dell.
Not that I ever buy from Dell, but I was curious how the Harpertowns were
pricing in general.
Dedric
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4783af2d@linux...
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> Hey Nappy, Happy New Year back atcha!
>
> Wow, dual quad 45 nm Intel Xeon Harpertowns at 2.8 - 3.2GHz. Nice.
>
> My dual 2.5 G5 started feeling nervous today.
>
> I usually start thinking about upgrading when the speed delta is 4x or
> greater, and even the slowest new one is beyond that. Plus this is the
> second version of the Intel model - should be pretty solid and has the
> newest dual quad setup and some good graphics card options. Tempting.
>
> My G5 is probably safe for a while longer, though, if a suitable new
> laptop comes out at Macworld next week. :^)
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
> Nappy wrote:
>> Happy New Year everybody. it just may be the time to consider the new Mac
>> Pro
>> with 8 core processors. Apple is getting the store ready now.
>>
>> respect
>> Nappy
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| Re: Happy New Year!......8 core Mac Pro [message #94481 is a reply to message #94479] |
Tue, 08 January 2008 11:49 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Yup, Dell really sucks. That's why where I work we have ~250k of them in our
server rack and that much again on our desktops and portables. 'Cause they
just suck, and we want to make our live miserable.
We were just pricing out a dual quad core 3.0 Ghz. With a perc controller
but no ram/drive upgrades we were a shade over $3600. This was a rack case,
though, which might be a little cheaper.
TCB
"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>A dual quad 3.2 with 16G of ram would pretty much rock the house... for
only
>about $6k if you buy ram
>somewhere else.
>
>Actually this is interesting - basically the same dual quad 3.2G system
from
>Dell, base config (2G ram), is more than Apple's (about $5300 vs. $4400
from
>Apple - pretty big difference). That's with only an 80G system drive on
the
>Dell. Dude.... don't get a Dell.
>
>Not that I ever buy from Dell, but I was curious how the Harpertowns were
>pricing in general.
>
>Dedric
>
>"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4783af2d@linux...
>>
>> Hey Nappy, Happy New Year back atcha!
>>
>> Wow, dual quad 45 nm Intel Xeon Harpertowns at 2.8 - 3.2GHz. Nice.
>>
>> My dual 2.5 G5 started feeling nervous today.
>>
>> I usually start thinking about upgrading when the speed delta is 4x or
>> greater, and even the slowest new one is beyond that. Plus this is the
>> second version of the Intel model - should be pretty solid and has the
>> newest dual quad setup and some good graphics card options. Tempting.
>>
>> My G5 is probably safe for a while longer, though, if a suitable new
>> laptop comes out at Macworld next week. :^)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Nappy wrote:
>>> Happy New Year everybody. it just may be the time to consider the new
Mac
>>> Pro
>>> with 8 core processors. Apple is getting the store ready now.
>>>
>>> respect
>>> Nappy
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| Re: Happy New Year!......8 core Mac Pro [message #94482 is a reply to message #94481] |
Tue, 08 January 2008 10:56 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
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Yep. Neither sucks, but in this case it's nice to see Apple being price
competitive in high end performance workstations. Especially for those
who currently prefer OSX. Of course you could run other operating
systems on the Mac Pros if you like.
I wouldn't want to be in charge of 500k computers, though. Around here,
one or two is fine. :^)
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
TCB wrote:
> Yup, Dell really sucks. That's why where I work we have ~250k of them in our
> server rack and that much again on our desktops and portables. 'Cause they
> just suck, and we want to make our live miserable.
>
> We were just pricing out a dual quad core 3.0 Ghz. With a perc controller
> but no ram/drive upgrades we were a shade over $3600. This was a rack case,
> though, which might be a little cheaper.
>
> TCB
>
> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> A dual quad 3.2 with 16G of ram would pretty much rock the house... for
> only
>> about $6k if you buy ram
>> somewhere else.
>>
>> Actually this is interesting - basically the same dual quad 3.2G system
> from
>> Dell, base config (2G ram), is more than Apple's (about $5300 vs. $4400
> from
>> Apple - pretty big difference). That's with only an 80G system drive on
> the
>> Dell. Dude.... don't get a Dell.
>>
>> Not that I ever buy from Dell, but I was curious how the Harpertowns were
>
>> pricing in general.
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4783af2d@linux...
>>> Hey Nappy, Happy New Year back atcha!
>>>
>>> Wow, dual quad 45 nm Intel Xeon Harpertowns at 2.8 - 3.2GHz. Nice.
>>>
>>> My dual 2.5 G5 started feeling nervous today.
>>>
>>> I usually start thinking about upgrading when the speed delta is 4x or
>
>>> greater, and even the slowest new one is beyond that. Plus this is the
>
>>> second version of the Intel model - should be pretty solid and has the
>
>>> newest dual quad setup and some good graphics card options. Tempting.
>>>
>>> My G5 is probably safe for a while longer, though, if a suitable new
>>> laptop comes out at Macworld next week. :^)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nappy wrote:
>>>> Happy New Year everybody. it just may be the time to consider the new
> Mac
>>>> Pro
>>>> with 8 core processors. Apple is getting the store ready now.
>>>>
>>>> respect
>>>> Nappy
>
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| Re: Happy New Year!......8 core Mac Pro [message #94485 is a reply to message #94481] |
Tue, 08 January 2008 11:22 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
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Sorry Thad - didn't mean to imply anything wrong with Dell. My only
experience with a Dell was a low end "get what you pay for" consumer model
that was forced on me to make into a video editing system by budget makers,
rather than the IT pro. If one were looking for a $5000 desktop, the Mac
might be the better deal.... that's was the only point there. I could have
missed some extra cost with the Dell I priced, but it's a WinVista64 large
business model, with SATA, no raid(?) and a 256M Nvidia video card, no
monitor, keyboard, mouse, system drive.
Btw - checked out the CompUSA closeout sale here yesterday - really great
deals - after 3 weeks, you can get 20% of items that
were marked up 15% over normal selling price just for the sale!! yipeee!!
what a deal... right.... can't say I'm sorry to see them go.
Regards,
Dedric
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4783c5c9$1@linux...
>
> Yup, Dell really sucks. That's why where I work we have ~250k of them in
> our
> server rack and that much again on our desktops and portables. 'Cause they
> just suck, and we want to make our live miserable.
>
> We were just pricing out a dual quad core 3.0 Ghz. With a perc controller
> but no ram/drive upgrades we were a shade over $3600. This was a rack
> case,
> though, which might be a little cheaper.
>
> TCB
>
> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>A dual quad 3.2 with 16G of ram would pretty much rock the house... for
> only
>>about $6k if you buy ram
>>somewhere else.
>>
>>Actually this is interesting - basically the same dual quad 3.2G system
> from
>>Dell, base config (2G ram), is more than Apple's (about $5300 vs. $4400
> from
>>Apple - pretty big difference). That's with only an 80G system drive on
> the
>>Dell. Dude.... don't get a Dell.
>>
>>Not that I ever buy from Dell, but I was curious how the Harpertowns were
>
>>pricing in general.
>>
>>Dedric
>>
>>"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4783af2d@linux...
>>>
>>> Hey Nappy, Happy New Year back atcha!
>>>
>>> Wow, dual quad 45 nm Intel Xeon Harpertowns at 2.8 - 3.2GHz. Nice.
>>>
>>> My dual 2.5 G5 started feeling nervous today.
>>>
>>> I usually start thinking about upgrading when the speed delta is 4x or
>
>>> greater, and even the slowest new one is beyond that. Plus this is the
>
>>> second version of the Intel model - should be pretty solid and has the
>
>>> newest dual quad setup and some good graphics card options. Tempting.
>>>
>>> My G5 is probably safe for a while longer, though, if a suitable new
>>> laptop comes out at Macworld next week. :^)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nappy wrote:
>>>> Happy New Year everybody. it just may be the time to consider the new
> Mac
>>>> Pro
>>>> with 8 core processors. Apple is getting the store ready now.
>>>>
>>>> respect
>>>> Nappy
>>
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| Re: Happy New Year!......8 core Mac Pro [message #94506 is a reply to message #94485] |
Tue, 08 January 2008 19:10 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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Hi Dedric,
When you configure the Apple and Dell "Apples to Apples" the Dell is
over $800 more when configuring a Dell machine to match as much as
possible the default Apple configuration.
When you load out the machines to what you be a common audio setup
prices grow further apart.
Obviously buying the extra stuff from Apple and Dell will cost allot
more then buying separate and adding it to the machine.
Apple config -
* Two 3.0GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon (8-core)
* 4GB (4 x 1GB)
* 320GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
* 500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
* 500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
* ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT 256MB (Two dual-link DVI)
* One 16x SuperDrive
* Apple Mighty Mouse
* Apple Keyboard (English) + Mac OS X
* AppleCare Protection Plan for Mac Pro (w/or w/o Display) - Auto-enroll
$4848.00
ADK Apple Config -
* Two 3.0GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon (8-core)
* 4GB (4 x 1GB)
* 320GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
* 500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
* 500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
* ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT 256MB (Two dual-link DVI)
* One 16x SuperDrive
* Apple Mighty Mouse
* Apple Keyboard (English) + Mac OS X
* AppleCare Protection Plan for Mac Pro (w/or w/o Display) - Auto-enroll
* ADK Lifetime Phone and Email Support
Total - $4293.00
Dell Precision T7400- (As striped down as i could get it so I could add
parts from "New Egg" -
Quad Core IntelŽ XeonŽ Processor X5450 (3.00GHz,2X6M L2,1333)
Quad Core IntelŽ XeonŽ Processor X5450 (3.00GHz,2X6M L2,1333)
Genuine Windows Vista Business, with Media
256MB PCIe x16 nVidia NVS 290, Dual Monitor DVI Capable
1GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 667MHz, ECC (2 DIMMS)
16X DVD+/-RW w/ Cyberlink PowerDVD and Roxio Creator Dell Ed
C1 All SATA drives, Non-RAID, 1 drive total configuration
320GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst Cache
No Monitor
My Accessories
USB Entry Quietkey, No Hot Keys
Dell USB 2-Button Mechanical Mouse with Scroll
No Floppy Drive
Internal Chassis Speaker,Dell
My Software
Resource DVD - Contains Diagnostics and Drivers
My Services & Warranties
3 Year Limited Hardware Warranty with Next Business Day On-Site Service
No Onsite System Setup
Also Included
Windows Vista Premium
Total - $4573.00
(New Eggs parts for the Dell)
2x Seagate 500 Gigs 32meh cache SATA drives - 340.00
4x 1 Gig DDR2 ECC FB memory - 160.00
Total - $500.00
Dell Grand Total - $5073.00
Started to do a HP variation of this but the pricing was o absurd I gave up.
Oh and the Dell is not quiet enough to be in the studio so remember to
factor in expensive extension cables or a Iso box.
To me Dell and HP's Corporate support plans seem to be the only real
attractive features but only for large corporate environments.
Chris
Dedric Terry wrote:
> Sorry Thad - didn't mean to imply anything wrong with Dell. My only
> experience with a Dell was a low end "get what you pay for" consumer
> model that was forced on me to make into a video editing system by
> budget makers, rather than the IT pro. If one were looking for a $5000
> desktop, the Mac might be the better deal.... that's was the only
> point there. I could have missed some extra cost with the Dell I
> priced, but it's a WinVista64 large business model, with SATA, no
> raid(?) and a 256M Nvidia video card, no monitor, keyboard, mouse,
> system drive.
>
> Btw - checked out the CompUSA closeout sale here yesterday - really
> great deals - after 3 weeks, you can get 20% of items that
> were marked up 15% over normal selling price just for the sale!!
> yipeee!! what a deal... right.... can't say I'm sorry to see them go.
>
> Regards,
> Dedric
>
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4783c5c9$1@linux...
>>
>> Yup, Dell really sucks. That's why where I work we have ~250k of them
>> in our
>> server rack and that much again on our desktops and portables. 'Cause
>> they
>> just suck, and we want to make our live miserable.
>>
>> We were just pricing out a dual quad core 3.0 Ghz. With a perc
>> controller
>> but no ram/drive upgrades we were a shade over $3600. This was a rack
>> case,
>> though, which might be a little cheaper.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> A dual quad 3.2 with 16G of ram would pretty much rock the house... for
>> only
>>> about $6k if you buy ram
>>> somewhere else.
>>>
>>> Actually this is interesting - basically the same dual quad 3.2G system
>> from
>>> Dell, base config (2G ram), is more than Apple's (about $5300 vs. $4400
>> from
>>> Apple - pretty big difference). That's with only an 80G system drive on
>> the
>>> Dell. Dude.... don't get a Dell.
>>>
>>> Not that I ever buy from Dell, but I was curious how the Harpertowns
>>> were
>>
>>> pricing in general.
>>>
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4783af2d@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Hey Nappy, Happy New Year back atcha!
>>>>
>>>> Wow, dual quad 45 nm Intel Xeon Harpertowns at 2.8 - 3.2GHz. Nice.
>>>>
>>>> My dual 2.5 G5 started feeling nervous today.
>>>>
>>>> I usually start thinking about upgrading when the speed delta is 4x or
>>
>>>> greater, and even the slowest new one is beyond that. Plus this is the
>>
>>>> second version of the Intel model - should be pretty solid and has the
>>
>>>> newest dual quad setup and some good graphics card options. Tempting.
>>>>
>>>> My G5 is probably safe for a while longer, though, if a suitable new
>>>> laptop comes out at Macworld next week. :^)
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nappy wrote:
>>>>> Happy New Year everybody. it just may be the time to consider the new
>> Mac
>>>>> Pro
>>>>> with 8 core processors. Apple is getting the store ready now.
>>>>>
>>>>> respect
>>>>> Nappy
>>>
>>
>
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Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762
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| Re: Happy New Year!......8 core Mac Pro [message #94508 is a reply to message #94506] |
Tue, 08 January 2008 19:52 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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Senior Member |
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Thanks Chris. My comps are in a machine room so noise isn't really a factor
as much as performance with Nuendo, then price.
Any tests on your end with Leopard vs. XP bootcamped? I've seen some Nuendo
users reporting being able to drop a level of latency (256 to 128) with
Leopard vs. the last furry animal version. Is core audio improving to be on
par with ASIO?
Regards,
Dedric
On 1/8/08 8:10 PM, in article 47843b80$1@linux, "Chris Ludwig"
<chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
> Hi Dedric,
> When you configure the Apple and Dell "Apples to Apples" the Dell is
> over $800 more when configuring a Dell machine to match as much as
> possible the default Apple configuration.
> When you load out the machines to what you be a common audio setup
> prices grow further apart.
> Obviously buying the extra stuff from Apple and Dell will cost allot
> more then buying separate and adding it to the machine.
>
>
> Apple config -
> * Two 3.0GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon (8-core)
> * 4GB (4 x 1GB)
> * 320GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
> * 500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
> * 500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
> * ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT 256MB (Two dual-link DVI)
> * One 16x SuperDrive
> * Apple Mighty Mouse
> * Apple Keyboard (English) + Mac OS X
> * AppleCare Protection Plan for Mac Pro (w/or w/o Display) - Auto-enroll
> $4848.00
>
>
> ADK Apple Config -
>
> * Two 3.0GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon (8-core)
> * 4GB (4 x 1GB)
> * 320GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
> * 500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
> * 500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
> * ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT 256MB (Two dual-link DVI)
> * One 16x SuperDrive
> * Apple Mighty Mouse
> * Apple Keyboard (English) + Mac OS X
> * AppleCare Protection Plan for Mac Pro (w/or w/o Display) - Auto-enroll
> * ADK Lifetime Phone and Email Support
>
> Total - $4293.00
>
> Dell Precision T7400- (As striped down as i could get it so I could add
> parts from "New Egg" -
>
> Quad Core IntelÂŽ XeonÂŽ Processor X5450 (3.00GHz,2X6M L2,1333)
> Quad Core IntelÂŽ XeonÂŽ Processor X5450 (3.00GHz,2X6M L2,1333)
> Genuine Windows Vista Business, with Media
> 256MB PCIe x16 nVidia NVS 290, Dual Monitor DVI Capable
> 1GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 667MHz, ECC (2 DIMMS)
> 16X DVD+/-RW w/ Cyberlink PowerDVD and Roxio Creator Dell Ed
> C1 All SATA drives, Non-RAID, 1 drive total configuration
> 320GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst CacheÂ
> No Monitor
> My Accessories
> USB Entry Quietkey, No Hot Keys
> Dell USB 2-Button Mechanical Mouse with Scroll
> No Floppy Drive
> Internal Chassis Speaker,Dell
> My Software
> Resource DVD - Contains Diagnostics and Drivers
> My Services & Warranties
> 3 Year Limited Hardware Warranty with Next Business Day On-Site Service
> No Onsite System Setup
> Also Included
> Windows Vista Premium
>
> Total - $4573.00
>
> (New Eggs parts for the Dell)
> 2x Seagate 500 Gigs 32meh cache SATA drives - 340.00
> 4x 1 Gig DDR2 ECC FB memory - 160.00
> Total - $500.00
> Dell Grand Total - $5073.00
>
> Started to do a HP variation of this but the pricing was o absurd I gave up.
>
>
> Oh and the Dell is not quiet enough to be in the studio so remember to
> factor in expensive extension cables or a Iso box.
>
> To me Dell and HP's Corporate support plans seem to be the only real
> attractive features but only for large corporate environments.
>
>
> Chris
>
> Dedric Terry wrote:
>> Sorry Thad - didn't mean to imply anything wrong with Dell. My only
>> experience with a Dell was a low end "get what you pay for" consumer
>> model that was forced on me to make into a video editing system by
>> budget makers, rather than the IT pro. If one were looking for a $5000
>> desktop, the Mac might be the better deal.... that's was the only
>> point there. I could have missed some extra cost with the Dell I
>> priced, but it's a WinVista64 large business model, with SATA, no
>> raid(?) and a 256M Nvidia video card, no monitor, keyboard, mouse,
>> system drive.
>>
>> Btw - checked out the CompUSA closeout sale here yesterday - really
>> great deals - after 3 weeks, you can get 20% of items that
>> were marked up 15% over normal selling price just for the sale!!
>> yipeee!! what a deal... right.... can't say I'm sorry to see them go.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4783c5c9$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Yup, Dell really sucks. That's why where I work we have ~250k of them
>>> in our
>>> server rack and that much again on our desktops and portables. 'Cause
>>> they
>>> just suck, and we want to make our live miserable.
>>>
>>> We were just pricing out a dual quad core 3.0 Ghz. With a perc
>>> controller
>>> but no ram/drive upgrades we were a shade over $3600. This was a rack
>>> case,
>>> though, which might be a little cheaper.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> A dual quad 3.2 with 16G of ram would pretty much rock the house... for
>>> only
>>>> about $6k if you buy ram
>>>> somewhere else.
>>>>
>>>> Actually this is interesting - basically the same dual quad 3.2G system
>>> from
>>>> Dell, base config (2G ram), is more than Apple's (about $5300 vs. $4400
>>> from
>>>> Apple - pretty big difference). That's with only an 80G system drive on
>>> the
>>>> Dell. Dude.... don't get a Dell.
>>>>
>>>> Not that I ever buy from Dell, but I was curious how the Harpertowns
>>>> were
>>>
>>>> pricing in general.
>>>>
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4783af2d@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Nappy, Happy New Year back atcha!
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow, dual quad 45 nm Intel Xeon Harpertowns at 2.8 - 3.2GHz. Nice.
>>>>>
>>>>> My dual 2.5 G5 started feeling nervous today.
>>>>>
>>>>> I usually start thinking about upgrading when the speed delta is 4x or
>>>
>>>>> greater, and even the slowest new one is beyond that. Plus this is the
>>>
>>>>> second version of the Intel model - should be pretty solid and has the
>>>
>>>>> newest dual quad setup and some good graphics card options. Tempting.
>>>>>
>>>>> My G5 is probably safe for a while longer, though, if a suitable new
>>>>> laptop comes out at Macworld next week. :^)
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nappy wrote:
>>>>>> Happy New Year everybody. it just may be the time to consider the new
>>> Mac
>>>>>> Pro
>>>>>> with 8 core processors. Apple is getting the store ready now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> respect
>>>>>> Nappy
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Happy New Year!......8 core Mac Pro [message #94522 is a reply to message #94508] |
Wed, 09 January 2008 11:01 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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Senior Member |
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Hi Dedric,
Yes leopard dos seem to have improved things with low latency
performance over all.
Core Audio has always been close to ASIO in performance. Way better than
WDM or Wave RT on the Windows side. ASIO is still the best solution for
that anywhere in the near future on XP or even Vista.
About the only thing Core Audio hasn't got that ASIO does is direct
monitoring. But PCs and Macs at this point are so fast that isn't a big
deal sense machines are fast enough now to handle a decent load with sub
3ms latency.
Chris
Dedric Terry wrote:
> Thanks Chris. My comps are in a machine room so noise isn't really a factor
> as much as performance with Nuendo, then price.
>
> Any tests on your end with Leopard vs. XP bootcamped? I've seen some Nuendo
> users reporting being able to drop a level of latency (256 to 128) with
> Leopard vs. the last furry animal version. Is core audio improving to be on
> par with ASIO?
>
> Regards,
> Dedric
>
> On 1/8/08 8:10 PM, in article 47843b80$1@linux, "Chris Ludwig"
> <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dedric,
>> When you configure the Apple and Dell "Apples to Apples" the Dell is
>> over $800 more when configuring a Dell machine to match as much as
>> possible the default Apple configuration.
>> When you load out the machines to what you be a common audio setup
>> prices grow further apart.
>> Obviously buying the extra stuff from Apple and Dell will cost allot
>> more then buying separate and adding it to the machine.
>>
>>
>> Apple config -
>> * Two 3.0GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon (8-core)
>> * 4GB (4 x 1GB)
>> * 320GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
>> * 500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
>> * 500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
>> * ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT 256MB (Two dual-link DVI)
>> * One 16x SuperDrive
>> * Apple Mighty Mouse
>> * Apple Keyboard (English) + Mac OS X
>> * AppleCare Protection Plan for Mac Pro (w/or w/o Display) - Auto-enroll
>> $4848.00
>>
>>
>> ADK Apple Config -
>>
>> * Two 3.0GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon (8-core)
>> * 4GB (4 x 1GB)
>> * 320GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
>> * 500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
>> * 500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
>> * ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT 256MB (Two dual-link DVI)
>> * One 16x SuperDrive
>> * Apple Mighty Mouse
>> * Apple Keyboard (English) + Mac OS X
>> * AppleCare Protection Plan for Mac Pro (w/or w/o Display) - Auto-enroll
>> * ADK Lifetime Phone and Email Support
>>
>> Total - $4293.00
>>
>> Dell Precision T7400- (As striped down as i could get it so I could add
>> parts from "New Egg" -
>>
>> Quad Core IntelŽ XeonŽ Processor X5450 (3.00GHz,2X6M L2,1333)
>> Quad Core IntelŽ XeonŽ Processor X5450 (3.00GHz,2X6M L2,1333)
>> Genuine Windows Vista Business, with Media
>> 256MB PCIe x16 nVidia NVS 290, Dual Monitor DVI Capable
>> 1GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 667MHz, ECC (2 DIMMS)
>> 16X DVD+/-RW w/ Cyberlink PowerDVD and Roxio Creator Dell Ed
>> C1 All SATA drives, Non-RAID, 1 drive total configuration
>> 320GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst Cache
>> No Monitor
>> My Accessories
>> USB Entry Quietkey, No Hot Keys
>> Dell USB 2-Button Mechanical Mouse with Scroll
>> No Floppy Drive
>> Internal Chassis Speaker,Dell
>> My Software
>> Resource DVD - Contains Diagnostics and Drivers
>> My Services & Warranties
>> 3 Year Limited Hardware Warranty with Next Business Day On-Site Service
>> No Onsite System Setup
>> Also Included
>> Windows Vista Premium
>>
>> Total - $4573.00
>>
>> (New Eggs parts for the Dell)
>> 2x Seagate 500 Gigs 32meh cache SATA drives - 340.00
>> 4x 1 Gig DDR2 ECC FB memory - 160.00
>> Total - $500.00
>> Dell Grand Total - $5073.00
>>
>> Started to do a HP variation of this but the pricing was o absurd I gave up.
>>
>>
>> Oh and the Dell is not quiet enough to be in the studio so remember to
>> factor in expensive extension cables or a Iso box.
>>
>> To me Dell and HP's Corporate support plans seem to be the only real
>> attractive features but only for large corporate environments.
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>> Sorry Thad - didn't mean to imply anything wrong with Dell. My only
>>> experience with a Dell was a low end "get what you pay for" consumer
>>> model that was forced on me to make into a video editing system by
>>> budget makers, rather than the IT pro. If one were looking for a $5000
>>> desktop, the Mac might be the better deal.... that's was the only
>>> point there. I could have missed some extra cost with the Dell I
>>> priced, but it's a WinVista64 large business model, with SATA, no
>>> raid(?) and a 256M Nvidia video card, no monitor, keyboard, mouse,
>>> system drive.
>>>
>>> Btw - checked out the CompUSA closeout sale here yesterday - really
>>> great deals - after 3 weeks, you can get 20% of items that
>>> were marked up 15% over normal selling price just for the sale!!
>>> yipeee!! what a deal... right.... can't say I'm sorry to see them go.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4783c5c9$1@linux...
>>>> Yup, Dell really sucks. That's why where I work we have ~250k of them
>>>> in our
>>>> server rack and that much again on our desktops and portables. 'Cause
>>>> they
>>>> just suck, and we want to make our live miserable.
>>>>
>>>> We were just pricing out a dual quad core 3.0 Ghz. With a perc
>>>> controller
>>>> but no ram/drive upgrades we were a shade over $3600. This was a rack
>>>> case,
>>>> though, which might be a little cheaper.
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>> A dual quad 3.2 with 16G of ram would pretty much rock the house... for
>>>> only
>>>>> about $6k if you buy ram
>>>>> somewhere else.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually this is interesting - basically the same dual quad 3.2G system
>>>> from
>>>>> Dell, base config (2G ram), is more than Apple's (about $5300 vs. $4400
>>>> from
>>>>> Apple - pretty big difference). That's with only an 80G system drive on
>>>> the
>>>>> Dell. Dude.... don't get a Dell.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not that I ever buy from Dell, but I was curious how the Harpertowns
>>>>> were
>>>>> pricing in general.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4783af2d@linux...
>>>>>> Hey Nappy, Happy New Year back atcha!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow, dual quad 45 nm Intel Xeon Harpertowns at 2.8 - 3.2GHz. Nice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My dual 2.5 G5 started feeling nervous today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I usually start thinking about upgrading when the speed delta is 4x or
>>>>>> greater, and even the slowest new one is beyond that. Plus this is the
>>>>>> second version of the Intel model - should be pretty solid and has the
>>>>>> newest dual quad setup and some good graphics card options. Tempting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My G5 is probably safe for a while longer, though, if a suitable new
>>>>>> laptop comes out at Macworld next week. :^)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nappy wrote:
>>>>>>> Happy New Year everybody. it just may be the time to consider the new
>>>> Mac
>>>>>>> Pro
>>>>>>> with 8 core processors. Apple is getting the store ready now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> respect
>>>>>>> Nappy
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: Happy New Year!......8 core Mac Pro [message #94529 is a reply to message #94506] |
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That's why I'm lookng for a person to load Lepoard on my new Dell Inspiron.
This baby has the same specs as a Mac book Pro 2.6.
Then, I'll boot camp it. Run Nuendo oon XP and Logic Pro on Mac OS-X.
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>Hi Dedric,
>When you configure the Apple and Dell "Apples to Apples" the Dell is
>over $800 more when configuring a Dell machine to match as much as
>possible the default Apple configuration.
>When you load out the machines to what you be a common audio setup
>prices grow further apart.
>Obviously buying the extra stuff from Apple and Dell will cost allot
>more then buying separate and adding it to the machine.
>
>
>Apple config -
>* Two 3.0GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon (8-core)
>* 4GB (4 x 1GB)
>* 320GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
>* 500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
>* 500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
>* ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT 256MB (Two dual-link DVI)
>* One 16x SuperDrive
>* Apple Mighty Mouse
>* Apple Keyboard (English) + Mac OS X
>* AppleCare Protection Plan for Mac Pro (w/or w/o Display) - Auto-enroll
>$4848.00
>
>
>ADK Apple Config -
>
>* Two 3.0GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon (8-core)
>* 4GB (4 x 1GB)
>* 320GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
>* 500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
>* 500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
>* ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT 256MB (Two dual-link DVI)
>* One 16x SuperDrive
>* Apple Mighty Mouse
>* Apple Keyboard (English) + Mac OS X
>* AppleCare Protection Plan for Mac Pro (w/or w/o Display) - Auto-enroll
>* ADK Lifetime Phone and Email Support
>
>Total - $4293.00
>
>Dell Precision T7400- (As striped down as i could get it so I could add
>parts from "New Egg" -
>
>Quad Core IntelŽ XeonŽ Processor X5450 (3.00GHz,2X6M L2,1333)
>Quad Core IntelŽ XeonŽ Processor X5450 (3.00GHz,2X6M L2,1333)
>Genuine Windows Vista Business, with Media
>256MB PCIe x16 nVidia NVS 290, Dual Monitor DVI Capable
>1GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 667MHz, ECC (2 DIMMS)
>16X DVD+/-RW w/ Cyberlink PowerDVD and Roxio Creator Dell Ed
>C1 All SATA drives, Non-RAID, 1 drive total configuration
>320GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst Cache
>No Monitor
>My Accessories
>USB Entry Quietkey, No Hot Keys
>Dell USB 2-Button Mechanical Mouse with Scroll
>No Floppy Drive
>Internal Chassis Speaker,Dell
>My Software
>Resource DVD - Contains Diagnostics and Drivers
>My Services & Warranties
>3 Year Limited Hardware Warranty with Next Business Day On-Site Service
>No Onsite System Setup
>Also Included
>Windows Vista Premium
>
>Total - $4573.00
>
>(New Eggs parts for the Dell)
>2x Seagate 500 Gigs 32meh cache SATA drives - 340.00
>4x 1 Gig DDR2 ECC FB memory - 160.00
>Total - $500.00
>Dell Grand Total - $5073.00
>
>Started to do a HP variation of this but the pricing was o absurd I gave
up.
>
>
>Oh and the Dell is not quiet enough to be in the studio so remember to
>factor in expensive extension cables or a Iso box.
>
>To me Dell and HP's Corporate support plans seem to be the only real
>attractive features but only for large corporate environments.
>
>
>Chris
>
>Dedric Terry wrote:
>> Sorry Thad - didn't mean to imply anything wrong with Dell. My only
>> experience with a Dell was a low end "get what you pay for" consumer
>> model that was forced on me to make into a video editing system by
>> budget makers, rather than the IT pro. If one were looking for a $5000
>> desktop, the Mac might be the better deal.... that's was the only
>> point there. I could have missed some extra cost with the Dell I
>> priced, but it's a WinVista64 large business model, with SATA, no
>> raid(?) and a 256M Nvidia video card, no monitor, keyboard, mouse,
>> system drive.
>>
>> Btw - checked out the CompUSA closeout sale here yesterday - really
>> great deals - after 3 weeks, you can get 20% of items that
>> were marked up 15% over normal selling price just for the sale!!
>> yipeee!! what a deal... right.... can't say I'm sorry to see them go.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4783c5c9$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Yup, Dell really sucks. That's why where I work we have ~250k of them
>>> in our
>>> server rack and that much again on our desktops and portables. 'Cause
>>> they
>>> just suck, and we want to make our live miserable.
>>>
>>> We were just pricing out a dual quad core 3.0 Ghz. With a perc
>>> controller
>>> but no ram/drive upgrades we were a shade over $3600. This was a rack
>>> case,
>>> though, which might be a little cheaper.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> A dual quad 3.2 with 16G of ram would pretty much rock the house...
for
>>> only
>>>> about $6k if you buy ram
>>>> somewhere else.
>>>>
>>>> Actually this is interesting - basically the same dual quad 3.2G system
>>> from
>>>> Dell, base config (2G ram), is more than Apple's (about $5300 vs. $4400
>>> from
>>>> Apple - pretty big difference). That's with only an 80G system drive
on
>>> the
>>>> Dell. Dude.... don't get a Dell.
>>>>
>>>> Not that I ever buy from Dell, but I was curious how the Harpertowns
>>>> were
>>>
>>>> pricing in general.
>>>>
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4783af2d@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Nappy, Happy New Year back atcha!
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow, dual quad 45 nm Intel Xeon Harpertowns at 2.8 - 3.2GHz. Nice.
>>>>>
>>>>> My dual 2.5 G5 started feeling nervous today.
>>>>>
>>>>> I usually start thinking about upgrading when the speed delta is 4x
or
>>>
>>>>> greater, and even the slowest new one is beyond that. Plus this is
the
>>>
>>>>> second version of the Intel model - should be pretty solid and has
the
>>>
>>>>> newest dual quad setup and some good graphics card options. Tempting.
>>>>>
>>>>> My G5 is probably safe for a while longer, though, if a suitable new
>>>>> laptop comes out at Macworld next week. :^)
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nappy wrote:
>>>>>> Happy New Year everybody. it just may be the time to consider the
new
>>> Mac
>>>>>> Pro
>>>>>> with 8 core processors. Apple is getting the store ready now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> respect
>>>>>> Nappy
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762
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