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DJ and people with complex setups [message #88108] Sun, 15 July 2007 08:09 Go to next message
gene lennon is currently offline  gene lennon
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TC - Digital Konnekt x32
Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with a few tricks.

http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321

Price?

Gene
Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88112 is a reply to message #88108] Sun, 15 July 2007 08:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DJ is currently offline  DJ   FRANCE
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Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?

;o)

"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with a few
> tricks.
>
> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>
> Price?
>
> Gene
>
Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88114 is a reply to message #88112] Sun, 15 July 2007 09:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gene lennon is currently offline  gene lennon
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Funny, that’s the first question I had. That and price.
Gene

"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?
>
>;o)
>
>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>news:469a38a4@linux...
>>
>>
>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with a few

>> tricks.
>>
>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>
>> Price?
>>
>> Gene
>>
>
>
Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88117 is a reply to message #88114] Sun, 15 July 2007 09:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dedric Terry is currently offline  Dedric Terry   UNITED STATES
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Since you can daisy chain the Konnekt interfaces via TCNear networking, and
this one has it as well, I would guess Konnekt 32 can as well, but the I
would wonder whether the firewire port can handle more than 16 in and out at
the same time.

Dedric

On 7/15/07 10:16 AM, in article 469a4843$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
<glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:

>
> Funny, thatÂ’s the first question I had. That and price.
> Gene
>
> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>> Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>> news:469a38a4@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with a few
>
>>> tricks.
>>>
>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>
>>> Price?
>>>
>>> Gene
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88118 is a reply to message #88117] Sun, 15 July 2007 10:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DJ is currently offline  DJ   FRANCE
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If the driver will suport two + units, it might be a monster with a
dedicated 4 x port FW PCIe card, especially if you can further
merge/interpatch within the software control panel. I'd probably look pretty
hard at this if the price was right. I'm currently doing pretty much what
this will do using 4 x Behringer SRC 2496 units along with an RME ADI4-DD
for real time SRC for two of my outboard reverbs and interpatching various
other I/O through a Frontier Apache and M-Audio C03 units to connect the
other digital processors, SMUX I/O of my converters and the I/O of my slave
computer with the free I/O of the master computer. It's a daunting scenario.
I have written an I/O sheet (small manual) for this that I have memorized
and the faceplates of the gear are all labelled as well. Same thing with all
of the midi I/O I have here. There's a lot of it and it is interpatched
through an Ensoniq KMX-16. This is only about half as insane as things were
when I was integrating Paris with the Cubase DAW. I watched the entire video
demo and this looks like they were reading my mind.....which may be why they
stopped before it got too complex and twisted....but there is no midi I/O on
this interface, is there? Didn't see any. That may be a show stopper. Does
anyone make a decent (large) midi interface now that Steinberg discontinued
the Midex?

;o)


"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
news:C2BFAA72.B6CD%dterry@keyofd.net...
> Since you can daisy chain the Konnekt interfaces via TCNear networking,
> and
> this one has it as well, I would guess Konnekt 32 can as well, but the I
> would wonder whether the firewire port can handle more than 16 in and out
> at
> the same time.
>
> Dedric
>
> On 7/15/07 10:16 AM, in article 469a4843$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Funny, that's the first question I had. That and price.
>> Gene
>>
>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>> Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>> news:469a38a4@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with a few
>>
>>>> tricks.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>>
>>>> Price?
>>>>
>>>> Gene
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88120 is a reply to message #88118] Sun, 15 July 2007 10:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gene lennon is currently offline  gene lennon
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On a Mac you can aggregate PCI(e) and Firewire interfaces to build one large
I/O system. Is this possible under XP?

Gene

"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>If the driver will suport two + units, it might be a monster with a
>dedicated 4 x port FW PCIe card, especially if you can further
>merge/interpatch within the software control panel. I'd probably look pretty

>hard at this if the price was right. I'm currently doing pretty much what

>this will do using 4 x Behringer SRC 2496 units along with an RME ADI4-DD

>for real time SRC for two of my outboard reverbs and interpatching various

>other I/O through a Frontier Apache and M-Audio C03 units to connect the

>other digital processors, SMUX I/O of my converters and the I/O of my slave

>computer with the free I/O of the master computer. It's a daunting scenario.

>I have written an I/O sheet (small manual) for this that I have memorized

>and the faceplates of the gear are all labelled as well. Same thing with
all
>of the midi I/O I have here. There's a lot of it and it is interpatched

>through an Ensoniq KMX-16. This is only about half as insane as things
were
>when I was integrating Paris with the Cubase DAW. I watched the entire video

>demo and this looks like they were reading my mind.....which may be why
they
>stopped before it got too complex and twisted....but there is no midi I/O
on
>this interface, is there? Didn't see any. That may be a show stopper. Does

>anyone make a decent (large) midi interface now that Steinberg discontinued

>the Midex?
>
>;o)
>
>
>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>news:C2BFAA72.B6CD%dterry@keyofd.net...
>> Since you can daisy chain the Konnekt interfaces via TCNear networking,

>> and
>> this one has it as well, I would guess Konnekt 32 can as well, but the
I
>> would wonder whether the firewire port can handle more than 16 in and
out
>> at
>> the same time.
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>> On 7/15/07 10:16 AM, in article 469a4843$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
>> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Funny, that's the first question I had. That and price.
>>> Gene
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>> Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:469a38a4@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with a
few
>>>
>>>>> tricks.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>>>
>>>>> Price?
>>>>>
>>>>> Gene
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88121 is a reply to message #88108] Sun, 15 July 2007 11:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Vary cool product. It's too bad it's not 32x32. I'll bet the price will
be painful, but I hope not. Anybody know what the price is?

"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>
>TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with a few
tricks.
>
>http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>
>Price?
>
>Gene
>
Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88122 is a reply to message #88121] Sun, 15 July 2007 12:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gene lennon is currently offline  gene lennon
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Only price ref I have seen is £880.
G

"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Vary cool product. It's too bad it's not 32x32. I'll bet the price will
>be painful, but I hope not. Anybody know what the price is?
>
>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with a few
>tricks.
>>
>>http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>
>>Price?
>>
>>Gene
>>
>
Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88123 is a reply to message #88120] Sun, 15 July 2007 12:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DJ is currently offline  DJ   FRANCE
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You are, of course, just mentioning this to twist the knife........right?

(actually, there is a Win driver called ASIO4all that is supposed to
accomplish this. Last I heard, it sucked big time.

;o)

"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:469a5933@linux...
>
> On a Mac you can aggregate PCI(e) and Firewire interfaces to build one
> large
> I/O system. Is this possible under XP?
>
> Gene
>
> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>If the driver will suport two + units, it might be a monster with a
>>dedicated 4 x port FW PCIe card, especially if you can further
>>merge/interpatch within the software control panel. I'd probably look
>>pretty
>
>>hard at this if the price was right. I'm currently doing pretty much what
>
>>this will do using 4 x Behringer SRC 2496 units along with an RME ADI4-DD
>
>>for real time SRC for two of my outboard reverbs and interpatching various
>
>>other I/O through a Frontier Apache and M-Audio C03 units to connect the
>
>>other digital processors, SMUX I/O of my converters and the I/O of my
>>slave
>
>>computer with the free I/O of the master computer. It's a daunting
>>scenario.
>
>>I have written an I/O sheet (small manual) for this that I have memorized
>
>>and the faceplates of the gear are all labelled as well. Same thing with
> all
>>of the midi I/O I have here. There's a lot of it and it is interpatched
>
>>through an Ensoniq KMX-16. This is only about half as insane as things
> were
>>when I was integrating Paris with the Cubase DAW. I watched the entire
>>video
>
>>demo and this looks like they were reading my mind.....which may be why
> they
>>stopped before it got too complex and twisted....but there is no midi I/O
> on
>>this interface, is there? Didn't see any. That may be a show stopper. Does
>
>>anyone make a decent (large) midi interface now that Steinberg
>>discontinued
>
>>the Midex?
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>
>>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>news:C2BFAA72.B6CD%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>> Since you can daisy chain the Konnekt interfaces via TCNear networking,
>
>>> and
>>> this one has it as well, I would guess Konnekt 32 can as well, but the
> I
>>> would wonder whether the firewire port can handle more than 16 in and
> out
>>> at
>>> the same time.
>>>
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> On 7/15/07 10:16 AM, in article 469a4843$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
>>> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Funny, that's the first question I had. That and price.
>>>> Gene
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>> Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?
>>>>>
>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:469a38a4@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>>>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with a
> few
>>>>
>>>>>> tricks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Price?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88124 is a reply to message #88122] Sun, 15 July 2007 12:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DJ is currently offline  DJ   FRANCE
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OK, so for $2000.00 I can get an interface with no midi ports......right?


"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:469a77d2$1@linux...
>
> Only price ref I have seen is £880.
> G
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Vary cool product. It's too bad it's not 32x32. I'll bet the price will
>>be painful, but I hope not. Anybody know what the price is?
>>
>>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with a few
>>tricks.
>>>
>>>http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>
>>>Price?
>>>
>>>Gene
>>>
>>
>
Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88126 is a reply to message #88120] Sun, 15 July 2007 14:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dedric Terry is currently offline  Dedric Terry   UNITED STATES
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On 7/15/07 11:28 AM, in article 469a5933@linux, "Gene Lennon"
<glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:

>
> On a Mac you can aggregate PCI(e) and Firewire interfaces to build one large
> I/O system. Is this possible under XP?
>
> Gene

Mixed manufacturers? What kind of latency are you getting with sample
library VSTi's and mixed firewire/PCIe?

My Fireface 800 doesn't have the low latency of the PCI HDSP system, so I'm
curious if when mixing the two, latency is subject to the limitation of the
firewire interface, or if the Mac/Core audio manages it better than XP
might.

With XP/PC you can add interfaces from one manufacturer, but I doubt
Firewire and PCIe would be elegant - the only time I tried it the Firewire
interface was only connected for access to its' control panel - only the PCI
interface handled direct I/O.

I also agree with James on the Konnekt - 32x32 would be much more attractive
if used as an interface and not just a converter/patchbay, but I fear that's
a firewire limitation.

Dedric

>
> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>> If the driver will suport two + units, it might be a monster with a
>> dedicated 4 x port FW PCIe card, especially if you can further
>> merge/interpatch within the software control panel. I'd probably look pretty
>
>> hard at this if the price was right. I'm currently doing pretty much what
>
>> this will do using 4 x Behringer SRC 2496 units along with an RME ADI4-DD
>
>> for real time SRC for two of my outboard reverbs and interpatching various
>
>> other I/O through a Frontier Apache and M-Audio C03 units to connect the
>
>> other digital processors, SMUX I/O of my converters and the I/O of my slave
>
>> computer with the free I/O of the master computer. It's a daunting scenario.
>
>> I have written an I/O sheet (small manual) for this that I have memorized
>
>> and the faceplates of the gear are all labelled as well. Same thing with
> all
>> of the midi I/O I have here. There's a lot of it and it is interpatched
>
>> through an Ensoniq KMX-16. This is only about half as insane as things
> were
>> when I was integrating Paris with the Cubase DAW. I watched the entire video
>
>> demo and this looks like they were reading my mind.....which may be why
> they
>> stopped before it got too complex and twisted....but there is no midi I/O
> on
>> this interface, is there? Didn't see any. That may be a show stopper. Does
>
>> anyone make a decent (large) midi interface now that Steinberg discontinued
>
>> the Midex?
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>> news:C2BFAA72.B6CD%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>> Since you can daisy chain the Konnekt interfaces via TCNear networking,
>
>>> and
>>> this one has it as well, I would guess Konnekt 32 can as well, but the
> I
>>> would wonder whether the firewire port can handle more than 16 in and
> out
>>> at
>>> the same time.
>>>
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> On 7/15/07 10:16 AM, in article 469a4843$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
>>> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Funny, that's the first question I had. That and price.
>>>> Gene
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>> Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?
>>>>>
>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:469a38a4@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>>>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with a
> few
>>>>
>>>>>> tricks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Price?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88129 is a reply to message #88126] Sun, 15 July 2007 16:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
excelav is currently offline  excelav   
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Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>On 7/15/07 11:28 AM, in article 469a5933@linux, "Gene Lennon"
><glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On a Mac you can aggregate PCI(e) and Firewire interfaces to build one
large
>> I/O system. Is this possible under XP?
>>
>> Gene
>
>Mixed manufacturers? What kind of latency are you getting with sample
>library VSTi's and mixed firewire/PCIe?
>
>My Fireface 800 doesn't have the low latency of the PCI HDSP system, so
I'm
>curious if when mixing the two, latency is subject to the limitation of
the
>firewire interface, or if the Mac/Core audio manages it better than XP
>might.
>
>With XP/PC you can add interfaces from one manufacturer, but I doubt
>Firewire and PCIe would be elegant - the only time I tried it the Firewire
>interface was only connected for access to its' control panel - only the
PCI
>interface handled direct I/O.
>
>I also agree with James on the Konnekt - 32x32 would be much more attractive
>if used as an interface and not just a converter/patchbay, but I fear that's
>a firewire limitation.
>
>Dedric
>

I don't think it's FW, the Pro Fire Light bridge will do 34x36. http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProFireLightbridge-mai n.html

>>
>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>> If the driver will suport two + units, it might be a monster with a
>>> dedicated 4 x port FW PCIe card, especially if you can further
>>> merge/interpatch within the software control panel. I'd probably look
pretty
>>
>>> hard at this if the price was right. I'm currently doing pretty much
what
>>
>>> this will do using 4 x Behringer SRC 2496 units along with an RME ADI4-DD
>>
>>> for real time SRC for two of my outboard reverbs and interpatching various
>>
>>> other I/O through a Frontier Apache and M-Audio C03 units to connect
the
>>
>>> other digital processors, SMUX I/O of my converters and the I/O of my
slave
>>
>>> computer with the free I/O of the master computer. It's a daunting scenario.
>>
>>> I have written an I/O sheet (small manual) for this that I have memorized
>>
>>> and the faceplates of the gear are all labelled as well. Same thing with
>> all
>>> of the midi I/O I have here. There's a lot of it and it is interpatched
>>
>>> through an Ensoniq KMX-16. This is only about half as insane as things
>> were
>>> when I was integrating Paris with the Cubase DAW. I watched the entire
video
>>
>>> demo and this looks like they were reading my mind.....which may be why
>> they
>>> stopped before it got too complex and twisted....but there is no midi
I/O
>> on
>>> this interface, is there? Didn't see any. That may be a show stopper.
Does
>>
>>> anyone make a decent (large) midi interface now that Steinberg discontinued
>>
>>> the Midex?
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>> news:C2BFAA72.B6CD%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>> Since you can daisy chain the Konnekt interfaces via TCNear networking,
>>
>>>> and
>>>> this one has it as well, I would guess Konnekt 32 can as well, but the
>> I
>>>> would wonder whether the firewire port can handle more than 16 in and
>> out
>>>> at
>>>> the same time.
>>>>
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>> On 7/15/07 10:16 AM, in article 469a4843$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
>>>> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Funny, that's the first question I had. That and price.
>>>>> Gene
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>> Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:469a38a4@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>>>>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with
a
>> few
>>>>>
>>>>>>> tricks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Price?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88130 is a reply to message #88124] Sun, 15 July 2007 16:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bill L is currently offline  Bill L   UNITED STATES
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I know it's TC and and all, but that's not what I call good value.

DJ wrote:
> OK, so for $2000.00 I can get an interface with no midi ports......right?
>
>
> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
> news:469a77d2$1@linux...
>> Only price ref I have seen is £880.
>> G
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Vary cool product. It's too bad it's not 32x32. I'll bet the price will
>>> be painful, but I hope not. Anybody know what the price is?
>>>
>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with a few
>>> tricks.
>>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>>
>>>> Price?
>>>>
>>>> Gene
>>>>
>
>
Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88131 is a reply to message #88129] Sun, 15 July 2007 16:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dedric Terry is currently offline  Dedric Terry   UNITED STATES
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----- Original Message -----
From: "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: DJ and people with complex setups
>
> I don't think it's FW, the Pro Fire Light bridge will do 34x36.
> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProFireLightbridge-mai n.html

Hi James - Any experiences with this unit to report (drivers, latency,
integration with PCI audio cards)? M-Audio never had a great rep for
drivers and quality, but I know Lamont gave it a thumbs up, so it seems
worth considering. I could use an extra 4 lightpipe ports. I've been
reluctant to put as much weight on firewire as PCI/PCIe so far, but would
like to be able to implement something like this.

Regards,
Dedric

>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>> If the driver will suport two + units, it might be a monster with a
>>>> dedicated 4 x port FW PCIe card, especially if you can further
>>>> merge/interpatch within the software control panel. I'd probably look
> pretty
>>>
>>>> hard at this if the price was right. I'm currently doing pretty much
> what
>>>
>>>> this will do using 4 x Behringer SRC 2496 units along with an RME
>>>> ADI4-DD
>>>
>>>> for real time SRC for two of my outboard reverbs and interpatching
>>>> various
>>>
>>>> other I/O through a Frontier Apache and M-Audio C03 units to connect
> the
>>>
>>>> other digital processors, SMUX I/O of my converters and the I/O of my
> slave
>>>
>>>> computer with the free I/O of the master computer. It's a daunting
>>>> scenario.
>>>
>>>> I have written an I/O sheet (small manual) for this that I have
>>>> memorized
>>>
>>>> and the faceplates of the gear are all labelled as well. Same thing
>>>> with
>>> all
>>>> of the midi I/O I have here. There's a lot of it and it is interpatched
>>>
>>>> through an Ensoniq KMX-16. This is only about half as insane as things
>>> were
>>>> when I was integrating Paris with the Cubase DAW. I watched the entire
> video
>>>
>>>> demo and this looks like they were reading my mind.....which may be why
>>> they
>>>> stopped before it got too complex and twisted....but there is no midi
> I/O
>>> on
>>>> this interface, is there? Didn't see any. That may be a show stopper.
> Does
>>>
>>>> anyone make a decent (large) midi interface now that Steinberg
>>>> discontinued
>>>
>>>> the Midex?
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:C2BFAA72.B6CD%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>>> Since you can daisy chain the Konnekt interfaces via TCNear
>>>>> networking,
>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>> this one has it as well, I would guess Konnekt 32 can as well, but the
>>> I
>>>>> would wonder whether the firewire port can handle more than 16 in and
>>> out
>>>>> at
>>>>> the same time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/15/07 10:16 AM, in article 469a4843$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
>>>>> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Funny, that's the first question I had. That and price.
>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:469a38a4@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>>>>>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with
> a
>>> few
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> tricks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Price?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88132 is a reply to message #88123] Sun, 15 July 2007 17:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gene lennon is currently offline  gene lennon
Messages: 565
Registered: July 2006
Senior Member
Actually, I am considering building a PC for mixing.
I have become quite enamored with Nebula3, and although I could route to
it using a complex ADAT maze, I want to at least consider a PC – centric
mix setup.
If I use my MOTU PCI setup for my primary I/O, I probably can’t also integrate
the TC box for I/O to my 6000 and a few other tricks I would like it to do,
right?

I guess this is not the right place to ask if Cubase is the right choice
for a mix engine. I’m also looking at Reaper (and Nuendo naturally). I have
used Nuendo for several mixes and it always gave good, if not great results.

Gene


"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>You are, of course, just mentioning this to twist the knife........right?
>
>(actually, there is a Win driver called ASIO4all that is supposed to
>accomplish this. Last I heard, it sucked big time.
>
>;o)
>
>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>news:469a5933@linux...
>>
>> On a Mac you can aggregate PCI(e) and Firewire interfaces to build one

>> large
>> I/O system. Is this possible under XP?
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>If the driver will suport two + units, it might be a monster with a
>>>dedicated 4 x port FW PCIe card, especially if you can further
>>>merge/interpatch within the software control panel. I'd probably look

>>>pretty
>>
>>>hard at this if the price was right. I'm currently doing pretty much what
>>
>>>this will do using 4 x Behringer SRC 2496 units along with an RME ADI4-DD
>>
>>>for real time SRC for two of my outboard reverbs and interpatching various
>>
>>>other I/O through a Frontier Apache and M-Audio C03 units to connect the
>>
>>>other digital processors, SMUX I/O of my converters and the I/O of my

>>>slave
>>
>>>computer with the free I/O of the master computer. It's a daunting
>>>scenario.
>>
>>>I have written an I/O sheet (small manual) for this that I have memorized
>>
>>>and the faceplates of the gear are all labelled as well. Same thing with
>> all
>>>of the midi I/O I have here. There's a lot of it and it is interpatched
>>
>>>through an Ensoniq KMX-16. This is only about half as insane as things
>> were
>>>when I was integrating Paris with the Cubase DAW. I watched the entire

>>>video
>>
>>>demo and this looks like they were reading my mind.....which may be why
>> they
>>>stopped before it got too complex and twisted....but there is no midi
I/O
>> on
>>>this interface, is there? Didn't see any. That may be a show stopper.
Does
>>
>>>anyone make a decent (large) midi interface now that Steinberg
>>>discontinued
>>
>>>the Midex?
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>
>>>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>news:C2BFAA72.B6CD%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>> Since you can daisy chain the Konnekt interfaces via TCNear networking,
>>
>>>> and
>>>> this one has it as well, I would guess Konnekt 32 can as well, but the
>> I
>>>> would wonder whether the firewire port can handle more than 16 in and
>> out
>>>> at
>>>> the same time.
>>>>
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>> On 7/15/07 10:16 AM, in article 469a4843$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
>>>> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Funny, that's the first question I had. That and price.
>>>>> Gene
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>> Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:469a38a4@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>>>>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with
a
>> few
>>>>>
>>>>>>> tricks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Price?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88133 is a reply to message #88124] Sun, 15 July 2007 17:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gene lennon is currently offline  gene lennon
Messages: 565
Registered: July 2006
Senior Member
TC has never been known for great prices.

G

"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>OK, so for $2000.00 I can get an interface with no midi ports......right?
>
>
>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>news:469a77d2$1@linux...
>>
>> Only price ref I have seen is £880.
>> G
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Vary cool product. It's too bad it's not 32x32. I'll bet the price will
>>>be painful, but I hope not. Anybody know what the price is?
>>>
>>>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>>Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with a few
>>>tricks.
>>>>
>>>>http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>>
>>>>Price?
>>>>
>>>>Gene
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88134 is a reply to message #88131] Sun, 15 July 2007 17:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
excelav is currently offline  excelav   
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
Senior Member
Hey Dedric, I have no experience with the Pro Fire Lightbridge. I was following
the user reports on gear slutz awhile back. Most reports were good, but
someone didn't like something about the way the monitoring is set up, or
some thing. You might want to read up on those threads. Also, early on,
some didn't like that there are only 18 I/O available in PT. They may have
changed this by now. All other software can utilize all of the I/Os, such
as Nuendo, Cubase, etc.

"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
>Newsgroups: IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS
>Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:35 PM
>Subject: Re: DJ and people with complex setups
>>
>> I don't think it's FW, the Pro Fire Light bridge will do 34x36.
>> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProFireLightbridge-mai n.html
>
>Hi James - Any experiences with this unit to report (drivers, latency,
>integration with PCI audio cards)? M-Audio never had a great rep for
>drivers and quality, but I know Lamont gave it a thumbs up, so it seems

>worth considering. I could use an extra 4 lightpipe ports. I've been
>reluctant to put as much weight on firewire as PCI/PCIe so far, but would

>like to be able to implement something like this.
>
>Regards,
>Dedric
>
>>
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>> If the driver will suport two + units, it might be a monster with a
>>>>> dedicated 4 x port FW PCIe card, especially if you can further
>>>>> merge/interpatch within the software control panel. I'd probably look
>> pretty
>>>>
>>>>> hard at this if the price was right. I'm currently doing pretty much
>> what
>>>>
>>>>> this will do using 4 x Behringer SRC 2496 units along with an RME
>>>>> ADI4-DD
>>>>
>>>>> for real time SRC for two of my outboard reverbs and interpatching

>>>>> various
>>>>
>>>>> other I/O through a Frontier Apache and M-Audio C03 units to connect
>> the
>>>>
>>>>> other digital processors, SMUX I/O of my converters and the I/O of
my
>> slave
>>>>
>>>>> computer with the free I/O of the master computer. It's a daunting

>>>>> scenario.
>>>>
>>>>> I have written an I/O sheet (small manual) for this that I have
>>>>> memorized
>>>>
>>>>> and the faceplates of the gear are all labelled as well. Same thing

>>>>> with
>>>> all
>>>>> of the midi I/O I have here. There's a lot of it and it is interpatched
>>>>
>>>>> through an Ensoniq KMX-16. This is only about half as insane as things
>>>> were
>>>>> when I was integrating Paris with the Cubase DAW. I watched the entire
>> video
>>>>
>>>>> demo and this looks like they were reading my mind.....which may be
why
>>>> they
>>>>> stopped before it got too complex and twisted....but there is no midi
>> I/O
>>>> on
>>>>> this interface, is there? Didn't see any. That may be a show stopper.
>> Does
>>>>
>>>>> anyone make a decent (large) midi interface now that Steinberg
>>>>> discontinued
>>>>
>>>>> the Midex?
>>>>>
>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:C2BFAA72.B6CD%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>>>> Since you can daisy chain the Konnekt interfaces via TCNear
>>>>>> networking,
>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> this one has it as well, I would guess Konnekt 32 can as well, but
the
>>>> I
>>>>>> would wonder whether the firewire port can handle more than 16 in
and
>>>> out
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> the same time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/15/07 10:16 AM, in article 469a4843$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
>>>>>> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Funny, that's the first question I had. That and price.
>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:469a38a4@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>>>>>>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with
>> a
>>>> few
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> tricks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Price?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88136 is a reply to message #88132] Sun, 15 July 2007 17:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DJ is currently offline  DJ   FRANCE
Messages: 1124
Registered: July 2005
Senior Member
I'm starting to get my head around the wierd bugs in Cubase 4 now. Not that
I would recommend it for a professional mix platform right now, but it does
have some cool features. When I talked to Steinberg tech support last week,
they were making "60 days till the big update to Cubase 4.1" noises, but I
wouldn't put my eggs in that basket just now. I'm going to give Nuendo 3 a
try soon.

One main reason I'm stiking with Steinberg instead of moving to Reaper is
because I've got Systemlink pretty well integrated into my situation and I'm
liking it.........plus..I'm just sorta' comfortably miserable with C4 right
now. It's sorta' like Paris....you never know WTF is gonna' happen next.

;o)


"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:469ab7ae$1@linux...
>
> Actually, I am considering building a PC for mixing.
> I have become quite enamored with Nebula3, and although I could route to
> it using a complex ADAT maze, I want to at least consider a PC - centric
> mix setup.
> If I use my MOTU PCI setup for my primary I/O, I probably can't also
> integrate
> the TC box for I/O to my 6000 and a few other tricks I would like it to
> do,
> right?
>
> I guess this is not the right place to ask if Cubase is the right choice
> for a mix engine. I'm also looking at Reaper (and Nuendo naturally). I
> have
> used Nuendo for several mixes and it always gave good, if not great
> results.
>
> Gene
>
>
> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>You are, of course, just mentioning this to twist the knife........right?
>>
>>(actually, there is a Win driver called ASIO4all that is supposed to
>>accomplish this. Last I heard, it sucked big time.
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>news:469a5933@linux...
>>>
>>> On a Mac you can aggregate PCI(e) and Firewire interfaces to build one
>
>>> large
>>> I/O system. Is this possible under XP?
>>>
>>> Gene
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>If the driver will suport two + units, it might be a monster with a
>>>>dedicated 4 x port FW PCIe card, especially if you can further
>>>>merge/interpatch within the software control panel. I'd probably look
>
>>>>pretty
>>>
>>>>hard at this if the price was right. I'm currently doing pretty much
>>>>what
>>>
>>>>this will do using 4 x Behringer SRC 2496 units along with an RME
>>>>ADI4-DD
>>>
>>>>for real time SRC for two of my outboard reverbs and interpatching
>>>>various
>>>
>>>>other I/O through a Frontier Apache and M-Audio C03 units to connect the
>>>
>>>>other digital processors, SMUX I/O of my converters and the I/O of my
>
>>>>slave
>>>
>>>>computer with the free I/O of the master computer. It's a daunting
>>>>scenario.
>>>
>>>>I have written an I/O sheet (small manual) for this that I have
>>>>memorized
>>>
>>>>and the faceplates of the gear are all labelled as well. Same thing with
>>> all
>>>>of the midi I/O I have here. There's a lot of it and it is interpatched
>>>
>>>>through an Ensoniq KMX-16. This is only about half as insane as things
>>> were
>>>>when I was integrating Paris with the Cubase DAW. I watched the entire
>
>>>>video
>>>
>>>>demo and this looks like they were reading my mind.....which may be why
>>> they
>>>>stopped before it got too complex and twisted....but there is no midi
> I/O
>>> on
>>>>this interface, is there? Didn't see any. That may be a show stopper.
> Does
>>>
>>>>anyone make a decent (large) midi interface now that Steinberg
>>>>discontinued
>>>
>>>>the Midex?
>>>>
>>>>;o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:C2BFAA72.B6CD%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>>> Since you can daisy chain the Konnekt interfaces via TCNear
>>>>> networking,
>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>> this one has it as well, I would guess Konnekt 32 can as well, but the
>>> I
>>>>> would wonder whether the firewire port can handle more than 16 in and
>>> out
>>>>> at
>>>>> the same time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/15/07 10:16 AM, in article 469a4843$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
>>>>> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Funny, that's the first question I had. That and price.
>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:469a38a4@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>>>>>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with
> a
>>> few
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> tricks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Price?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88137 is a reply to message #88134] Sun, 15 July 2007 17:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dedric Terry is currently offline  Dedric Terry   UNITED STATES
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
Senior Member
Thanks James - I'll check out the gearslutz threads.

Regards,
Dedric

"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:469ab863$1@linux...
>
> Hey Dedric, I have no experience with the Pro Fire Lightbridge. I was
> following
> the user reports on gear slutz awhile back. Most reports were good, but
> someone didn't like something about the way the monitoring is set up, or
> some thing. You might want to read up on those threads. Also, early on,
> some didn't like that there are only 18 I/O available in PT. They may
> have
> changed this by now. All other software can utilize all of the I/Os, such
> as Nuendo, Cubase, etc.
>
> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
>>Newsgroups: IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS
>>Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:35 PM
>>Subject: Re: DJ and people with complex setups
>>>
>>> I don't think it's FW, the Pro Fire Light bridge will do 34x36.
>>> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProFireLightbridge-mai n.html
>>
>>Hi James - Any experiences with this unit to report (drivers, latency,
>>integration with PCI audio cards)? M-Audio never had a great rep for
>>drivers and quality, but I know Lamont gave it a thumbs up, so it seems
>
>>worth considering. I could use an extra 4 lightpipe ports. I've been
>>reluctant to put as much weight on firewire as PCI/PCIe so far, but would
>
>>like to be able to implement something like this.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Dedric
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>> If the driver will suport two + units, it might be a monster with a
>>>>>> dedicated 4 x port FW PCIe card, especially if you can further
>>>>>> merge/interpatch within the software control panel. I'd probably look
>>> pretty
>>>>>
>>>>>> hard at this if the price was right. I'm currently doing pretty much
>>> what
>>>>>
>>>>>> this will do using 4 x Behringer SRC 2496 units along with an RME
>>>>>> ADI4-DD
>>>>>
>>>>>> for real time SRC for two of my outboard reverbs and interpatching
>
>>>>>> various
>>>>>
>>>>>> other I/O through a Frontier Apache and M-Audio C03 units to connect
>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>> other digital processors, SMUX I/O of my converters and the I/O of
> my
>>> slave
>>>>>
>>>>>> computer with the free I/O of the master computer. It's a daunting
>
>>>>>> scenario.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have written an I/O sheet (small manual) for this that I have
>>>>>> memorized
>>>>>
>>>>>> and the faceplates of the gear are all labelled as well. Same thing
>
>>>>>> with
>>>>> all
>>>>>> of the midi I/O I have here. There's a lot of it and it is
>>>>>> interpatched
>>>>>
>>>>>> through an Ensoniq KMX-16. This is only about half as insane as
>>>>>> things
>>>>> were
>>>>>> when I was integrating Paris with the Cubase DAW. I watched the
>>>>>> entire
>>> video
>>>>>
>>>>>> demo and this looks like they were reading my mind.....which may be
> why
>>>>> they
>>>>>> stopped before it got too complex and twisted....but there is no midi
>>> I/O
>>>>> on
>>>>>> this interface, is there? Didn't see any. That may be a show stopper.
>>> Does
>>>>>
>>>>>> anyone make a decent (large) midi interface now that Steinberg
>>>>>> discontinued
>>>>>
>>>>>> the Midex?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:C2BFAA72.B6CD%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>>>>> Since you can daisy chain the Konnekt interfaces via TCNear
>>>>>>> networking,
>>>>>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> this one has it as well, I would guess Konnekt 32 can as well, but
> the
>>>>> I
>>>>>>> would wonder whether the firewire port can handle more than 16 in
> and
>>>>> out
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> the same time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/15/07 10:16 AM, in article 469a4843$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
>>>>>>> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Funny, that's the first question I had. That and price.
>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:469a38a4@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>>>>>>>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with
>>> a
>>>>> few
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> tricks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Price?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88140 is a reply to message #88123] Sun, 15 July 2007 18:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aaron Allen is currently offline  Aaron Allen   UNITED STATES
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
Senior Member
I can't remember the name at the moment, but there is a software vendor out
there that does build a generic driver that's supposed to unify to one
driver set. It takes the latency from the slowest piece of hardware you have
in the set. Dang... can't remember the name.

AA

"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message
news:469a783a$1@linux...
> You are, of course, just mentioning this to twist the knife........right?
>
> (actually, there is a Win driver called ASIO4all that is supposed to
> accomplish this. Last I heard, it sucked big time.
>
> ;o)
>
> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
> news:469a5933@linux...
>>
>> On a Mac you can aggregate PCI(e) and Firewire interfaces to build one
>> large
>> I/O system. Is this possible under XP?
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>If the driver will suport two + units, it might be a monster with a
>>>dedicated 4 x port FW PCIe card, especially if you can further
>>>merge/interpatch within the software control panel. I'd probably look
>>>pretty
>>
>>>hard at this if the price was right. I'm currently doing pretty much what
>>
>>>this will do using 4 x Behringer SRC 2496 units along with an RME ADI4-DD
>>
>>>for real time SRC for two of my outboard reverbs and interpatching
>>>various
>>
>>>other I/O through a Frontier Apache and M-Audio C03 units to connect the
>>
>>>other digital processors, SMUX I/O of my converters and the I/O of my
>>>slave
>>
>>>computer with the free I/O of the master computer. It's a daunting
>>>scenario.
>>
>>>I have written an I/O sheet (small manual) for this that I have memorized
>>
>>>and the faceplates of the gear are all labelled as well. Same thing with
>> all
>>>of the midi I/O I have here. There's a lot of it and it is interpatched
>>
>>>through an Ensoniq KMX-16. This is only about half as insane as things
>> were
>>>when I was integrating Paris with the Cubase DAW. I watched the entire
>>>video
>>
>>>demo and this looks like they were reading my mind.....which may be why
>> they
>>>stopped before it got too complex and twisted....but there is no midi I/O
>> on
>>>this interface, is there? Didn't see any. That may be a show stopper.
>>>Does
>>
>>>anyone make a decent (large) midi interface now that Steinberg
>>>discontinued
>>
>>>the Midex?
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>
>>>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>news:C2BFAA72.B6CD%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>> Since you can daisy chain the Konnekt interfaces via TCNear networking,
>>
>>>> and
>>>> this one has it as well, I would guess Konnekt 32 can as well, but the
>> I
>>>> would wonder whether the firewire port can handle more than 16 in and
>> out
>>>> at
>>>> the same time.
>>>>
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>> On 7/15/07 10:16 AM, in article 469a4843$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
>>>> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Funny, that's the first question I had. That and price.
>>>>> Gene
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>> Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:469a38a4@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>>>>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with a
>> few
>>>>>
>>>>>>> tricks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Price?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88142 is a reply to message #88140] Sun, 15 July 2007 18:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DJ is currently offline  DJ   FRANCE
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Senior Member
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:469ac5dd@linux...
>I can't remember the name at the moment, but there is a software vendor out
>there that does build a generic driver that's supposed to unify to one
>driver set. It takes the latency from the slowest piece of hardware you
>have in the set. Dang... can't remember the name.
>
> AA
>


Aaron,

I think this is it.

http://www.asio4all.com/
Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88143 is a reply to message #88142] Sun, 15 July 2007 18:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aaron Allen is currently offline  Aaron Allen   UNITED STATES
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nope,it's not asio4all.....

"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message
news:469ac654@linux...
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
> news:469ac5dd@linux...
>>I can't remember the name at the moment, but there is a software vendor
>>out there that does build a generic driver that's supposed to unify to one
>>driver set. It takes the latency from the slowest piece of hardware you
>>have in the set. Dang... can't remember the name.
>>
>> AA
>>
>
>
> Aaron,
>
> I think this is it.
>
> http://www.asio4all.com/
>
Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88144 is a reply to message #88143] Sun, 15 July 2007 18:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aaron Allen is currently offline  Aaron Allen   UNITED STATES
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
Senior Member
remembered it...

http://centrance.com/products/ud/

AA

"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:469acaba$1@linux...
> nope,it's not asio4all.....
>
> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message
> news:469ac654@linux...
>>
>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>> news:469ac5dd@linux...
>>>I can't remember the name at the moment, but there is a software vendor
>>>out there that does build a generic driver that's supposed to unify to
>>>one driver set. It takes the latency from the slowest piece of hardware
>>>you have in the set. Dang... can't remember the name.
>>>
>>> AA
>>>
>>
>>
>> Aaron,
>>
>> I think this is it.
>>
>> http://www.asio4all.com/
>>
>
>
Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88145 is a reply to message #88144] Sun, 15 July 2007 19:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DJ is currently offline  DJ   FRANCE
Messages: 1124
Registered: July 2005
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This looks really cool. Too bad it doesn't work with RME cards and with the
Line6 drivers. That would be a nice integration situation with my
particular setup (sigh).

"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:469acb6b$1@linux...
> remembered it...
>
> http://centrance.com/products/ud/
>
> AA
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
> news:469acaba$1@linux...
>> nope,it's not asio4all.....
>>
>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message
>> news:469ac654@linux...
>>>
>>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>>> news:469ac5dd@linux...
>>>>I can't remember the name at the moment, but there is a software vendor
>>>>out there that does build a generic driver that's supposed to unify to
>>>>one driver set. It takes the latency from the slowest piece of hardware
>>>>you have in the set. Dang... can't remember the name.
>>>>
>>>> AA
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Aaron,
>>>
>>> I think this is it.
>>>
>>> http://www.asio4all.com/
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88147 is a reply to message #88134] Sun, 15 July 2007 19:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gene lennon is currently offline  gene lennon
Messages: 565
Registered: July 2006
Senior Member
I have a ProFire Lightbridge. I use it for all kinds of stuff including Pro
Tools-M where it does give 34X34 up to 48K, or 18X18 at 96 (PT 7.3.1). It
has a headphone out but it only chases SPDIF out. Latency goes down to 256,
but I never use it for cutting…only mixing where I may use it in PT or aggregate
it into my main I/O for sends to and from Paris or a V-stack PC. It has no
internal direct monitor system or any internal mixing. I have not had any
of the clock issues talked about at Gearslutz. It makes PT-M a viable alternative
to HD if you are mixing analog and it has been a good purchase for me coming
in handy many times. It does work with the Core Audio Aggregation tool along
with my MOTU PCIe rig.

Gene


"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Hey Dedric, I have no experience with the Pro Fire Lightbridge. I was following
>the user reports on gear slutz awhile back. Most reports were good, but
>someone didn't like something about the way the monitoring is set up, or
>some thing. You might want to read up on those threads. Also, early on,
>some didn't like that there are only 18 I/O available in PT. They may have
>changed this by now. All other software can utilize all of the I/Os, such
>as Nuendo, Cubase, etc.
>
>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
>>Newsgroups: IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS
>>Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:35 PM
>>Subject: Re: DJ and people with complex setups
>>>
>>> I don't think it's FW, the Pro Fire Light bridge will do 34x36.
>>> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProFireLightbridge-mai n.html
>>
>>Hi James - Any experiences with this unit to report (drivers, latency,

>>integration with PCI audio cards)? M-Audio never had a great rep for
>>drivers and quality, but I know Lamont gave it a thumbs up, so it seems
>
>>worth considering. I could use an extra 4 lightpipe ports. I've been

>>reluctant to put as much weight on firewire as PCI/PCIe so far, but would
>
>>like to be able to implement something like this.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Dedric
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>> If the driver will suport two + units, it might be a monster with
a
>>>>>> dedicated 4 x port FW PCIe card, especially if you can further
>>>>>> merge/interpatch within the software control panel. I'd probably look
>>> pretty
>>>>>
>>>>>> hard at this if the price was right. I'm currently doing pretty much
>>> what
>>>>>
>>>>>> this will do using 4 x Behringer SRC 2496 units along with an RME

>>>>>> ADI4-DD
>>>>>
>>>>>> for real time SRC for two of my outboard reverbs and interpatching
>
>>>>>> various
>>>>>
>>>>>> other I/O through a Frontier Apache and M-Audio C03 units to connect
>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>> other digital processors, SMUX I/O of my converters and the I/O of
>my
>>> slave
>>>>>
>>>>>> computer with the free I/O of the master computer. It's a daunting
>
>>>>>> scenario.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have written an I/O sheet (small manual) for this that I have
>>>>>> memorized
>>>>>
>>>>>> and the faceplates of the gear are all labelled as well. Same thing
>
>>>>>> with
>>>>> all
>>>>>> of the midi I/O I have here. There's a lot of it and it is interpatched
>>>>>
>>>>>> through an Ensoniq KMX-16. This is only about half as insane as things
>>>>> were
>>>>>> when I was integrating Paris with the Cubase DAW. I watched the entire
>>> video
>>>>>
>>>>>> demo and this looks like they were reading my mind.....which may be
>why
>>>>> they
>>>>>> stopped before it got too complex and twisted....but there is no midi
>>> I/O
>>>>> on
>>>>>> this interface, is there? Didn't see any. That may be a show stopper.
>>> Does
>>>>>
>>>>>> anyone make a decent (large) midi interface now that Steinberg
>>>>>> discontinued
>>>>>
>>>>>> the Midex?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:C2BFAA72.B6CD%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>>>>> Since you can daisy chain the Konnekt interfaces via TCNear
>>>>>>> networking,
>>>>>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> this one has it as well, I would guess Konnekt 32 can as well, but
>the
>>>>> I
>>>>>>> would wonder whether the firewire port can handle more than 16 in
>and
>>>>> out
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> the same time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/15/07 10:16 AM, in article 469a4843$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
>>>>>>> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Funny, that's the first question I had. That and price.
>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:469a38a4@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>>>>>>>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with
>>> a
>>>>> few
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> tricks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Price?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88148 is a reply to message #88147] Sun, 15 July 2007 19:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rather simple c- panel



"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>I have a ProFire Lightbridge. I use it for all kinds of stuff including
Pro
>Tools-M where it does give 34X34 up to 48K, or 18X18 at 96 (PT 7.3.1). It
>has a headphone out but it only chases SPDIF out. Latency goes down to 256,
>but I never use it for cutting…only mixing where I may use it in PT or aggregate
>it into my main I/O for sends to and from Paris or a V-stack PC. It has
no
>internal direct monitor system or any internal mixing. I have not had any
>of the clock issues talked about at Gearslutz. It makes PT-M a viable alternative
>to HD if you are mixing analog and it has been a good purchase for me coming
>in handy many times. It does work with the Core Audio Aggregation tool along
>with my MOTU PCIe rig.
>
>Gene
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hey Dedric, I have no experience with the Pro Fire Lightbridge. I was
following
>>the user reports on gear slutz awhile back. Most reports were good, but
>>someone didn't like something about the way the monitoring is set up, or
>>some thing. You might want to read up on those threads. Also, early on,
>>some didn't like that there are only 18 I/O available in PT. They may
have
>>changed this by now. All other software can utilize all of the I/Os, such
>>as Nuendo, Cubase, etc.
>>
>>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
>>>Newsgroups: IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS
>>>Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:35 PM
>>>Subject: Re: DJ and people with complex setups
>>>>
>>>> I don't think it's FW, the Pro Fire Light bridge will do 34x36.
>>>> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProFireLightbridge-mai n.html
>>>
>>>Hi James - Any experiences with this unit to report (drivers, latency,
>
>>>integration with PCI audio cards)? M-Audio never had a great rep for

>>>drivers and quality, but I know Lamont gave it a thumbs up, so it seems
>>
>>>worth considering. I could use an extra 4 lightpipe ports. I've been
>
>>>reluctant to put as much weight on firewire as PCI/PCIe so far, but would
>>
>>>like to be able to implement something like this.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Dedric
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>> If the driver will suport two + units, it might be a monster with
>a
>>>>>>> dedicated 4 x port FW PCIe card, especially if you can further
>>>>>>> merge/interpatch within the software control panel. I'd probably
look
>>>> pretty
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hard at this if the price was right. I'm currently doing pretty much
>>>> what
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> this will do using 4 x Behringer SRC 2496 units along with an RME
>
>>>>>>> ADI4-DD
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for real time SRC for two of my outboard reverbs and interpatching
>>
>>>>>>> various
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> other I/O through a Frontier Apache and M-Audio C03 units to connect
>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> other digital processors, SMUX I/O of my converters and the I/O of
>>my
>>>> slave
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> computer with the free I/O of the master computer. It's a daunting
>>
>>>>>>> scenario.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have written an I/O sheet (small manual) for this that I have
>>>>>>> memorized
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and the faceplates of the gear are all labelled as well. Same thing
>>
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> of the midi I/O I have here. There's a lot of it and it is interpatched
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> through an Ensoniq KMX-16. This is only about half as insane as
things
>>>>>> were
>>>>>>> when I was integrating Paris with the Cubase DAW. I watched the entire
>>>> video
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> demo and this looks like they were reading my mind.....which may
be
>>why
>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> stopped before it got too complex and twisted....but there is no
midi
>>>> I/O
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> this interface, is there? Didn't see any. That may be a show stopper.
>>>> Does
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> anyone make a decent (large) midi interface now that Steinberg
>>>>>>> discontinued
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the Midex?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:C2BFAA72.B6CD%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>>>>>> Since you can daisy chain the Konnekt interfaces via TCNear
>>>>>>>> networking,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> this one has it as well, I would guess Konnekt 32 can as well, but
>>the
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> would wonder whether the firewire port can handle more than 16 in
>>and
>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> the same time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/15/07 10:16 AM, in article 469a4843$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
>>>>>>>> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Funny, that's the first question I had. That and price.
>>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:469a38a4@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>>>>>>>>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface
with
>>>> a
>>>>>> few
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> tricks.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Price?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

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Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88166 is a reply to message #88147] Mon, 16 July 2007 06:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
wireline[34] is currently offline  wireline[34]
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Registered: July 2007
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I know its blasphemy...but...

At some point the intricacies of relying on digital connection, innumerable
ADDA, etc., seem to fall into the realm of major risk taking...

Again, just an opinion, but even with the wart infested Samp 9, having a
dedicated console eliminates almost ALL routing issues...true zero latency
monitoring, effects to cue sends, and no drivers to worry about...

Just food for thought...

"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>I have a ProFire Lightbridge. I use it for all kinds of stuff including
Pro
>Tools-M where it does give 34X34 up to 48K, or 18X18 at 96 (PT 7.3.1). It
>has a headphone out but it only chases SPDIF out. Latency goes down to 256,
>but I never use it for cutting…only mixing where I may use it in PT or aggregate
>it into my main I/O for sends to and from Paris or a V-stack PC. It has
no
>internal direct monitor system or any internal mixing. I have not had any
>of the clock issues talked about at Gearslutz. It makes PT-M a viable alternative
>to HD if you are mixing analog and it has been a good purchase for me coming
>in handy many times. It does work with the Core Audio Aggregation tool along
>with my MOTU PCIe rig.
>
>Gene
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hey Dedric, I have no experience with the Pro Fire Lightbridge. I was
following
>>the user reports on gear slutz awhile back. Most reports were good, but
>>someone didn't like something about the way the monitoring is set up, or
>>some thing. You might want to read up on those threads. Also, early on,
>>some didn't like that there are only 18 I/O available in PT. They may
have
>>changed this by now. All other software can utilize all of the I/Os, such
>>as Nuendo, Cubase, etc.
>>
>>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
>>>Newsgroups: IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS
>>>Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 5:35 PM
>>>Subject: Re: DJ and people with complex setups
>>>>
>>>> I don't think it's FW, the Pro Fire Light bridge will do 34x36.
>>>> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/ProFireLightbridge-mai n.html
>>>
>>>Hi James - Any experiences with this unit to report (drivers, latency,
>
>>>integration with PCI audio cards)? M-Audio never had a great rep for

>>>drivers and quality, but I know Lamont gave it a thumbs up, so it seems
>>
>>>worth considering. I could use an extra 4 lightpipe ports. I've been
>
>>>reluctant to put as much weight on firewire as PCI/PCIe so far, but would
>>
>>>like to be able to implement something like this.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Dedric
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>> If the driver will suport two + units, it might be a monster with
>a
>>>>>>> dedicated 4 x port FW PCIe card, especially if you can further
>>>>>>> merge/interpatch within the software control panel. I'd probably
look
>>>> pretty
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hard at this if the price was right. I'm currently doing pretty much
>>>> what
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> this will do using 4 x Behringer SRC 2496 units along with an RME
>
>>>>>>> ADI4-DD
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for real time SRC for two of my outboard reverbs and interpatching
>>
>>>>>>> various
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> other I/O through a Frontier Apache and M-Audio C03 units to connect
>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> other digital processors, SMUX I/O of my converters and the I/O of
>>my
>>>> slave
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> computer with the free I/O of the master computer. It's a daunting
>>
>>>>>>> scenario.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have written an I/O sheet (small manual) for this that I have
>>>>>>> memorized
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and the faceplates of the gear are all labelled as well. Same thing
>>
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> of the midi I/O I have here. There's a lot of it and it is interpatched
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> through an Ensoniq KMX-16. This is only about half as insane as
things
>>>>>> were
>>>>>>> when I was integrating Paris with the Cubase DAW. I watched the entire
>>>> video
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> demo and this looks like they were reading my mind.....which may
be
>>why
>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> stopped before it got too complex and twisted....but there is no
midi
>>>> I/O
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> this interface, is there? Didn't see any. That may be a show stopper.
>>>> Does
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> anyone make a decent (large) midi interface now that Steinberg
>>>>>>> discontinued
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the Midex?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:C2BFAA72.B6CD%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>>>>>> Since you can daisy chain the Konnekt interfaces via TCNear
>>>>>>>> networking,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> this one has it as well, I would guess Konnekt 32 can as well, but
>>the
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> would wonder whether the firewire port can handle more than 16 in
>>and
>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> the same time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/15/07 10:16 AM, in article 469a4843$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
>>>>>>>> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Funny, that's the first question I had. That and price.
>>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:469a38a4@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>>>>>>>>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface
with
>>>> a
>>>>>> few
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> tricks.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Price?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88169 is a reply to message #88166] Mon, 16 July 2007 07:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gene lennon is currently offline  gene lennon
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Registered: July 2006
Senior Member
Its not blasphemy...but...

I have a couple of DAW options including Paris and I can always strip back
if I run into trouble.

It is very rare for me to have someone standing over me that pays the bills
so I have freedom to experiment and the only risk is lost time. Experimentation
tends to be one of the casualties of modern record production as most people
look to keep costs low and efficiency high. I like to play.

Most of the time even my most convoluted rigs work fine if I stay within
known limitations.

Gene

"wireline" <nospamken@wirelinestudionospam.com> wrote:
>
>I know its blasphemy...but...
>
>At some point the intricacies of relying on digital connection, innumerable
>ADDA, etc., seem to fall into the realm of major risk taking...
>
>Again, just an opinion, but even with the wart infested Samp 9, having a
>dedicated console eliminates almost ALL routing issues...true zero latency
>monitoring, effects to cue sends, and no drivers to worry about...
>
>Just food for thought...
>
Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88183 is a reply to message #88169] Mon, 16 July 2007 12:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DJ is currently offline  DJ   FRANCE
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"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:469b8014$1@linux...
>
> Its not blasphemy...but...
>
> I have a couple of DAW options including Paris and I can always strip back
> if I run into trouble.
>
> It is very rare for me to have someone standing over me that pays the
> bills
> so I have freedom to experiment and the only risk is lost time.
> Experimentation
> tends to be one of the casualties of modern record production as most
> people
> look to keep costs low and efficiency high. I like to play.
>
> Most of the time even my most convoluted rigs work fine if I stay within
> known limitations.
>
> Gene
>

Limitations???....there are limitations???

;oD
Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88195 is a reply to message #88183] Mon, 16 July 2007 14:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chris Ludwig is currently offline  Chris Ludwig   UNITED STATES
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
Senior Member
HI DJ,
With Core Audio method of multi-card use just like ASIO4all
functionality the poorest performing card latency wise will be the
limitation of what your system can do. Core Audio need to keep the
driver buffers all aligned so if one card can only go as low as 256 then
that is as low as you can go even if you other card can go lower on its
own. The we get into various sound cards method of reporting AD/DA
latency if they report it at all. This will mean that when using
different brand sound cards you will have the potential to have some
tracks being by some samples either coming in or going out to the
machine or both.

It is possible to do this with ASIO but the same limitations and issues
start to happen. Which is why you see most pro software and hardware
companies not supporting this with anything other than their own cards.

Chris



DJ wrote:
> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
> news:469b8014$1@linux...
>> Its not blasphemy...but...
>>
>> I have a couple of DAW options including Paris and I can always strip back
>> if I run into trouble.
>>
>> It is very rare for me to have someone standing over me that pays the
>> bills
>> so I have freedom to experiment and the only risk is lost time.
>> Experimentation
>> tends to be one of the casualties of modern record production as most
>> people
>> look to keep costs low and efficiency high. I like to play.
>>
>> Most of the time even my most convoluted rigs work fine if I stay within
>> known limitations.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>
> Limitations???....there are limitations???
>
> ;oD
>
>

--
Chris Ludwig

ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.com
Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88196 is a reply to message #88126] Mon, 16 July 2007 14:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chris Ludwig is currently offline  Chris Ludwig   UNITED STATES
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Registered: May 2006
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HI Dedric,


Dedric Terry wrote:
> On 7/15/07 11:28 AM, in article 469a5933@linux, "Gene Lennon"
> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>> On a Mac you can aggregate PCI(e) and Firewire interfaces to build one large
>> I/O system. Is this possible under XP?

With 3rd party software like ASIO4ALL yes.

>>
>> Gene
>
> Mixed manufacturers? What kind of latency are you getting with sample
> library VSTi's and mixed firewire/PCIe?

It will only be as low as the weakest card in the system.

>
> My Fireface 800 doesn't have the low latency of the PCI HDSP system, so I'm
> curious if when mixing the two, latency is subject to the limitation of the
> firewire interface, or if the Mac/Core audio manages it better than XP
> might.

As long as the PC is using the proper hardware and is configured
correctly then there is no difference in performance.



>
> With XP/PC you can add interfaces from one manufacturer, but I doubt
> Firewire and PCIe would be elegant - the only time I tried it the Firewire
> interface was only connected for access to its' control panel - only the PCI
> interface handled direct I/O.


>
> I also agree with James on the Konnekt - 32x32 would be much more attractive
> if used as an interface and not just a converter/patchbay, but I fear that's
> a firewire limitation.

I think the biggest limitation on the unit is the firewire portion. It
would be better served with more I/O's. The Dice II chip that they use
for Firewire is not very reliable on MAC or PC. They are just starting
to be able to sort out compatibility and performance issues.

Chris




>
> Dedric
>
>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>> If the driver will suport two + units, it might be a monster with a
>>> dedicated 4 x port FW PCIe card, especially if you can further
>>> merge/interpatch within the software control panel. I'd probably look pretty
>>> hard at this if the price was right. I'm currently doing pretty much what
>>> this will do using 4 x Behringer SRC 2496 units along with an RME ADI4-DD
>>> for real time SRC for two of my outboard reverbs and interpatching various
>>> other I/O through a Frontier Apache and M-Audio C03 units to connect the
>>> other digital processors, SMUX I/O of my converters and the I/O of my slave
>>> computer with the free I/O of the master computer. It's a daunting scenario.
>>> I have written an I/O sheet (small manual) for this that I have memorized
>>> and the faceplates of the gear are all labelled as well. Same thing with
>> all
>>> of the midi I/O I have here. There's a lot of it and it is interpatched
>>> through an Ensoniq KMX-16. This is only about half as insane as things
>> were
>>> when I was integrating Paris with the Cubase DAW. I watched the entire video
>>> demo and this looks like they were reading my mind.....which may be why
>> they
>>> stopped before it got too complex and twisted....but there is no midi I/O
>> on
>>> this interface, is there? Didn't see any. That may be a show stopper. Does
>>> anyone make a decent (large) midi interface now that Steinberg discontinued
>>> the Midex?
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>> news:C2BFAA72.B6CD%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>> Since you can daisy chain the Konnekt interfaces via TCNear networking,
>>>> and
>>>> this one has it as well, I would guess Konnekt 32 can as well, but the
>> I
>>>> would wonder whether the firewire port can handle more than 16 in and
>> out
>>>> at
>>>> the same time.
>>>>
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>> On 7/15/07 10:16 AM, in article 469a4843$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
>>>> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Funny, that's the first question I had. That and price.
>>>>> Gene
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>> Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:469a38a4@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>>>>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with a
>> few
>>>>>>> tricks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Price?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>

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Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88198 is a reply to message #88143] Mon, 16 July 2007 15:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chris Ludwig is currently offline  Chris Ludwig   UNITED STATES
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HI Aaron,
The Centrance driver only works with these owner end cards because they
almost all use the same 2 Firewire chips on board that all use a generic
Firewire communication protocol.

The reason you do not see MOTU or RME cards is they they using a totally
proprietary FW communication. This one of the reasons you will see
way better performance and compatibility with their devices compared to
others.

Chris



Aaron Allen wrote:
> nope,it's not asio4all.....
>
> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message
> news:469ac654@linux...
>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>> news:469ac5dd@linux...
>>> I can't remember the name at the moment, but there is a software vendor
>>> out there that does build a generic driver that's supposed to unify to one
>>> driver set. It takes the latency from the slowest piece of hardware you
>>> have in the set. Dang... can't remember the name.
>>>
>>> AA
>>>
>>
>> Aaron,
>>
>> I think this is it.
>>
>> http://www.asio4all.com/
>>
>
>

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Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88199 is a reply to message #88196] Mon, 16 July 2007 15:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Neil is currently offline  Neil
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Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>The Dice II chip that they use
>for Firewire is not very reliable on MAC or PC.

Dice II chip? Is that the chip where all the error prompts start
with the phrase: "Hickory-Dickory-Dock..." ?

:D
Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88202 is a reply to message #88198] Mon, 16 July 2007 16:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aaron Allen is currently offline  Aaron Allen   UNITED STATES
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As expected. I knew there'd have to be a catch, and that they don't offer a
trial driver makes me not want to jump on that bandwagon.
My inner voice was telling me to be wary, but dang it that'd be so cool if
it flew properly.

AA


"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:469bee8d$1@linux...
> HI Aaron,
> The Centrance driver only works with these owner end cards because they
> almost all use the same 2 Firewire chips on board that all use a generic
> Firewire communication protocol.
>
> The reason you do not see MOTU or RME cards is they they using a totally
> proprietary FW communication. This one of the reasons you will see way
> better performance and compatibility with their devices compared to
> others.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> Aaron Allen wrote:
>> nope,it's not asio4all.....
>>
>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message
>> news:469ac654@linux...
>>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>>> news:469ac5dd@linux...
>>>> I can't remember the name at the moment, but there is a software vendor
>>>> out there that does build a generic driver that's supposed to unify to
>>>> one driver set. It takes the latency from the slowest piece of hardware
>>>> you have in the set. Dang... can't remember the name.
>>>>
>>>> AA
>>>>
>>>
>>> Aaron,
>>>
>>> I think this is it.
>>>
>>> http://www.asio4all.com/
>>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
>
> ADK Pro Audio
> (859) 635-5762
> www.adkproaudio.com
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88206 is a reply to message #88199] Mon, 16 July 2007 17:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DJ is currently offline  DJ   FRANCE
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"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:469bf0ba$1@linux...
>
> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>The Dice II chip that they use
>>for Firewire is not very reliable on MAC or PC.
>
> Dice II chip? Is that the chip where all the error prompts start
> with the phrase: "Hickory-Dickory-Dock..." ?
>
> :D

ROTFL!!!!!!! ..................

Liddul miss muffin.............
Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88209 is a reply to message #88199] Mon, 16 July 2007 17:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aaron Allen is currently offline  Aaron Allen   UNITED STATES
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Naw. It's the 2nd coming of Andrew Clay. You'll be speaking like him in no
time trying to get the latency down to a respectable level :>

AA


"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:469bf0ba$1@linux...
>
> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>The Dice II chip that they use
>>for Firewire is not very reliable on MAC or PC.
>
> Dice II chip? Is that the chip where all the error prompts start
> with the phrase: "Hickory-Dickory-Dock..." ?
>
> :D
Re: DJ and people with complex setups [message #88223 is a reply to message #88209] Mon, 16 July 2007 20:22 Go to previous message
Chris Ludwig is currently offline  Chris Ludwig   UNITED STATES
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Yo... the Dice Man Cometh

Aaron Allen wrote:
> Naw. It's the 2nd coming of Andrew Clay. You'll be speaking like him in no
> time trying to get the latency down to a respectable level :>
>
> AA
>
>
> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:469bf0ba$1@linux...
>
>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The Dice II chip that they use
>>> for Firewire is not very reliable on MAC or PC.
>>>
>> Dice II chip? Is that the chip where all the error prompts start
>> with the phrase: "Hickory-Dickory-Dock..." ?
>>
>> :D
>>
>
>
>

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