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Tom Bruhl is currently offline  Tom Bruhl   UNITED STATES
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I finally have got a few things running in this new Cubase setup.
AMD 4800+. Here is a little rambling about it's power.

Check this out!

I have 12 tracks playing 12 different instruments in Cubase through =
Kontakt. All native.
Basses, violins, pianos, harps, bassoons, pads, guitars you name it. =
Using at peak points
45 voices. CPU peaks at =
20%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!=
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
90 voices I am assuming 40%. 180 voices? 80%? This may be the limit =
give or take.

Not gonna be a problem with anything anymore. I am in heaven and I =
can't even hear a note.
Meters are jumping around on all parts but no worries in the CPU =
department.
I'm thinking that extra gig of Ram (3 gig total) might just be the final =
final on this rig.
I also know that I have another 10 synths I can add from Creamware to =
bolster
this with virtually no hit to the CPU but some to RAM of course. Nutz =
I'm telling ya, just nutz!

Sounds will never be the problem again. Power will never be an issue. =
Granted Kontakt
has onboard native effects that will suck a little more juice. Oh, so I =
can only get 150 voices.
Jeez, before I was struggling along with 48 total using two Roland =
samplers.
____________________________________________________________ __
Okay I changed a few things and got 80 voices and 16 tracks running. =
The CPU peaked at 22%.
Obviously voice numbers are less demanding as compared to sample size =
and
processing of actual synth engines. These are all samples with nothing =
extra happening.

I'll be sleeping well tonight. Dreaming about the next synths to load =
in.
T. as in B.


I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I finally have got a few things running =
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samplers.</FONT></DIV>
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sleeping well=20
tonight.&nbsp; Dreaming about the next synths to load in.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>T. as in B.</DIV></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, =
and=20
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Re: A really happy moment in geekdom. [message #77597 is a reply to message #77595] Sat, 30 December 2006 03:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
rick is currently offline  rick   UNITED STATES
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Registered: February 2006
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well then, happy geekyear to you sir. ain't nuthin' better than
smooth sailing and not a cloud in sight.



On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 03:13:28 -0500, "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net>
wrote:

>I finally have got a few things running in this new Cubase setup.
>AMD 4800+. Here is a little rambling about it's power.
>
>Check this out!
>
>I have 12 tracks playing 12 different instruments in Cubase through Kontakt. All native.
>Basses, violins, pianos, harps, bassoons, pads, guitars you name it. Using at peak points
>45 voices. CPU peaks at 20%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>90 voices I am assuming 40%. 180 voices? 80%? This may be the limit give or take.
>
>Not gonna be a problem with anything anymore. I am in heaven and I can't even hear a note.
>Meters are jumping around on all parts but no worries in the CPU department.
>I'm thinking that extra gig of Ram (3 gig total) might just be the final final on this rig.
>I also know that I have another 10 synths I can add from Creamware to bolster
>this with virtually no hit to the CPU but some to RAM of course. Nutz I'm telling ya, just nutz!
>
>Sounds will never be the problem again. Power will never be an issue. Granted Kontakt
>has onboard native effects that will suck a little more juice. Oh, so I can only get 150 voices.
>Jeez, before I was struggling along with 48 total using two Roland samplers.
> ____________________________________________________________ __
>Okay I changed a few things and got 80 voices and 16 tracks running. The CPU peaked at 22%.
>Obviously voice numbers are less demanding as compared to sample size and
>processing of actual synth engines. These are all samples with nothing extra happening.
>
>I'll be sleeping well tonight. Dreaming about the next synths to load in.
>T. as in B.
>
>
>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
Re: A really happy moment in geekdom. [message #77636 is a reply to message #77597] Sat, 30 December 2006 10:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jamie K is currently offline  Jamie K   UNITED STATES
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
Senior Member
Happy geekyear indeed! Native DAWs rock, with a sufficiently fast system.

Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com



rick wrote:
> well then, happy geekyear to you sir. ain't nuthin' better than
> smooth sailing and not a cloud in sight.
>
>
>
> On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 03:13:28 -0500, "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I finally have got a few things running in this new Cubase setup.
>> AMD 4800+. Here is a little rambling about it's power.
>>
>> Check this out!
>>
>> I have 12 tracks playing 12 different instruments in Cubase through Kontakt. All native.
>> Basses, violins, pianos, harps, bassoons, pads, guitars you name it. Using at peak points
>> 45 voices. CPU peaks at 20%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> 90 voices I am assuming 40%. 180 voices? 80%? This may be the limit give or take.
>>
>> Not gonna be a problem with anything anymore. I am in heaven and I can't even hear a note.
>> Meters are jumping around on all parts but no worries in the CPU department.
>> I'm thinking that extra gig of Ram (3 gig total) might just be the final final on this rig.
>> I also know that I have another 10 synths I can add from Creamware to bolster
>> this with virtually no hit to the CPU but some to RAM of course. Nutz I'm telling ya, just nutz!
>>
>> Sounds will never be the problem again. Power will never be an issue. Granted Kontakt
>> has onboard native effects that will suck a little more juice. Oh, so I can only get 150 voices.
>> Jeez, before I was struggling along with 48 total using two Roland samplers.
>> ____________________________________________________________ __
>> Okay I changed a few things and got 80 voices and 16 tracks running. The CPU peaked at 22%.
>> Obviously voice numbers are less demanding as compared to sample size and
>> processing of actual synth engines. These are all samples with nothing extra happening.
>>
>> I'll be sleeping well tonight. Dreaming about the next synths to load in.
>> T. as in B.
>>
>>
>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>
Re: A really happy moment in geekdom. [message #77637 is a reply to message #77636] Sat, 30 December 2006 10:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DJ is currently offline  DJ   UNITED STATES
Messages: 1124
Registered: July 2005
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What mobo you using? I've got a 4800 sitting here that I haven't used yet
(currently using a 4400) Maybe I'll swap this weekend.

;o)

"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4596b056@linux...
>
> Happy geekyear indeed! Native DAWs rock, with a sufficiently fast system.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
> rick wrote:
>> well then, happy geekyear to you sir. ain't nuthin' better than
>> smooth sailing and not a cloud in sight.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 03:13:28 -0500, "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I finally have got a few things running in this new Cubase setup.
>>> AMD 4800+. Here is a little rambling about it's power.
>>>
>>> Check this out!
>>>
>>> I have 12 tracks playing 12 different instruments in Cubase through
>>> Kontakt. All native.
>>> Basses, violins, pianos, harps, bassoons, pads, guitars you name it.
>>> Using at peak points
>>> 45 voices. CPU peaks at
>>> 20%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>> 90 voices I am assuming 40%. 180 voices? 80%? This may be the limit
>>> give or take.
>>>
>>> Not gonna be a problem with anything anymore. I am in heaven and I
>>> can't even hear a note.
>>> Meters are jumping around on all parts but no worries in the CPU
>>> department.
>>> I'm thinking that extra gig of Ram (3 gig total) might just be the final
>>> final on this rig.
>>> I also know that I have another 10 synths I can add from Creamware to
>>> bolster
>>> this with virtually no hit to the CPU but some to RAM of course. Nutz
>>> I'm telling ya, just nutz!
>>>
>>> Sounds will never be the problem again. Power will never be an issue.
>>> Granted Kontakt
>>> has onboard native effects that will suck a little more juice. Oh, so I
>>> can only get 150 voices.
>>> Jeez, before I was struggling along with 48 total using two Roland
>>> samplers.
>>> ____________________________________________________________ __
>>> Okay I changed a few things and got 80 voices and 16 tracks running.
>>> The CPU peaked at 22%.
>>> Obviously voice numbers are less demanding as compared to sample size
>>> and
>>> processing of actual synth engines. These are all samples with nothing
>>> extra happening.
>>>
>>> I'll be sleeping well tonight. Dreaming about the next synths to load
>>> in.
>>> T. as in B.
>>>
>>>
>>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>>
Re: A really happy moment in geekdom. [message #77655 is a reply to message #77637] Sat, 30 December 2006 21:37 Go to previous message
Tom Bruhl is currently offline  Tom Bruhl   UNITED STATES
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DJ,
ASUS A8R-MVP. Chris' recommendation. There are faster systems now
but if you have the chip go for it.
Tom

"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote in message news:4596b27e@linux...
What mobo you using? I've got a 4800 sitting here that I haven't used =
yet=20
(currently using a 4400) Maybe I'll swap this weekend.

;o)

"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message =
news:4596b056@linux...
>
> Happy geekyear indeed! Native DAWs rock, with a sufficiently fast =
system.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
> rick wrote:
>> well then, happy geekyear to you sir. ain't nuthin' better than
>> smooth sailing and not a cloud in sight.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 03:13:28 -0500, "Tom Bruhl" =
<arpegio@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I finally have got a few things running in this new Cubase setup.
>>> AMD 4800+. Here is a little rambling about it's power.
>>>
>>> Check this out!
>>>
>>> I have 12 tracks playing 12 different instruments in Cubase =
through=20
>>> Kontakt. All native.
>>> Basses, violins, pianos, harps, bassoons, pads, guitars you name =
it.=20
>>> Using at peak points
>>> 45 voices. CPU peaks at=20
>>> =
20%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!=
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>> 90 voices I am assuming 40%. 180 voices? 80%? This may be the =
limit=20
>>> give or take.
>>>
>>> Not gonna be a problem with anything anymore. I am in heaven and =
I=20
>>> can't even hear a note.
>>> Meters are jumping around on all parts but no worries in the CPU=20
>>> department.
>>> I'm thinking that extra gig of Ram (3 gig total) might just be the =
final=20
>>> final on this rig.
>>> I also know that I have another 10 synths I can add from Creamware =
to=20
>>> bolster
>>> this with virtually no hit to the CPU but some to RAM of course. =
Nutz=20
>>> I'm telling ya, just nutz!
>>>
>>> Sounds will never be the problem again. Power will never be an =
issue.=20
>>> Granted Kontakt
>>> has onboard native effects that will suck a little more juice. =
Oh, so I=20
>>> can only get 150 voices.
>>> Jeez, before I was struggling along with 48 total using two Roland =

>>> samplers.
>>> ____________________________________________________________ __
>>> Okay I changed a few things and got 80 voices and 16 tracks =
running.=20
>>> The CPU peaked at 22%.
>>> Obviously voice numbers are less demanding as compared to sample =
size=20
>>> and
>>> processing of actual synth engines. These are all samples with =
nothing=20
>>> extra happening.
>>>
>>> I'll be sleeping well tonight. Dreaming about the next synths to =
load=20
>>> in.
>>> T. as in B.
>>>
>>>
>>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>ASUS A8R-MVP.&nbsp; Chris' =
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