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| The world, oil, Citgo and Petro Express! [message #85313] |
Fri, 25 May 2007 23:49  |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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This was a email I received.
Diane Sawyer on ABC news interviewed the Venezuelan leader Chavez just last
week -- March 2007 He is so dangerous, and you can tell he is thrilled to
be selling oil toAmerica and having a foot on the throat of this country.
He is something else. If you did not hear the interview, the following was
discussed and it is true. They have all this money coming in and the majority
of his own people are living in poverty and he is so rich. He is best of
friends with Castro and Russian leaders. He told Diane Sawyer that he was
friends with all the world leaders, but President Bush is as dumb as a 'donkey'.
CITGO CHANGING NAME...this is serious Americans...make sure you read ...
NEWS FLASH: Chavez is NOW getting a Russian Weapons Factory built by Putin.
The RUSSIANS are building an AK-47 Kalashnikov Assault Rifle factory in Venezuela,
to give armament support to Communist Rebel groups throughout the Americas.
Chavez NOW has IRANIANS operating his oil refineries in Venezuela for him.
It is likely only a matter of time, if not already, before Chavez has Iranian
built LONG RANGE missiles, with a variety of warhead types aimed at: Guess
Who?
CITGO is NOW in the process of Changing Its Name to PETRO EXPRESS due to
the loss of gasoline sales in the USA due to the recent publicity of ownership
by Chavez of Venezuela.
Every dollar you spend with CITGO or PETRO EXPRESS gasoline will be used
against you, your basic human rights, and your freedoms. He will start wars
here in the Americas that will probably be the death of millions of free
people.
THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT because Chavez is starting to feel the loss of revenue
from his holdings. HE OWNS CITGO. This is a very important move that everyone
should be aware of.
ANNOUNCED JUST RECENTLY, CITGO, BEING AWARE THAT SALES ARE DOWN DUE TO U.S.
CUSTOMERS NOT WANTING TO BUY FROM "CITGO-CHAVEZ", HAVE STARTED TO CHANGE
THE NAME OF SOME OF THEIR STORES TO: "PETRO EXPRESS"
DO NOT BUY FROM "PETRO EXPRESS" EITHER!!! "PETRO EXPRESS" IS ALSO 100% OWNED
BY "CHAVEZ."
KEEP THIS MEMO GOING SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
BOYCOTT "CITGO" AND "PETRO EXPRESS".............MAKE SURE THIS IS PASSED
ON TO EVERYONE in YOUR E-MAIL LIST IN THE UNITED STATES AND OUTSIDE OF AMERICA.
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| Re: The world, oil, Citgo and Petro Express! [message #85314 is a reply to message #85313] |
Fri, 25 May 2007 23:57  |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Hugo Chavez is a hero. A man willing to sand up for his counry and not let
a another country (USA) tell him how to run thier commodity.
This is nothing more than tipical US spin machine out to sway puplic opinion
about those leaders that don't drink the US Kool-Aid.. They (Venezuelans)
don't need our aid. They have their own precious commodity.
Wake up people, are we to believe every word coming from our Goverment??
Thanks God for Citgo..
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>This was a email I received.
>
>Diane Sawyer on ABC news interviewed the Venezuelan leader Chavez just last
>week -- March 2007 He is so dangerous, and you can tell he is thrilled to
>be selling oil toAmerica and having a foot on the throat of this country.
>He is something else. If you did not hear the interview, the following was
>discussed and it is true. They have all this money coming in and the majority
>of his own people are living in poverty and he is so rich. He is best of
>friends with Castro and Russian leaders. He told Diane Sawyer that he was
>friends with all the world leaders, but President Bush is as dumb as a 'donkey'.
>
>CITGO CHANGING NAME...this is serious Americans...make sure you read ...
>NEWS FLASH: Chavez is NOW getting a Russian Weapons Factory built by Putin.
>The RUSSIANS are building an AK-47 Kalashnikov Assault Rifle factory in
Venezuela,
>to give armament support to Communist Rebel groups throughout the Americas.
>
>Chavez NOW has IRANIANS operating his oil refineries in Venezuela for him.
>It is likely only a matter of time, if not already, before Chavez has Iranian
>built LONG RANGE missiles, with a variety of warhead types aimed at: Guess
>Who?
>
>CITGO is NOW in the process of Changing Its Name to PETRO EXPRESS due to
>the loss of gasoline sales in the USA due to the recent publicity of ownership
>by Chavez of Venezuela.
>
>Every dollar you spend with CITGO or PETRO EXPRESS gasoline will be used
>against you, your basic human rights, and your freedoms. He will start wars
>here in the Americas that will probably be the death of millions of free
>people.
>
>THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT because Chavez is starting to feel the loss of revenue
>from his holdings. HE OWNS CITGO. This is a very important move that everyone
>should be aware of.
>
>ANNOUNCED JUST RECENTLY, CITGO, BEING AWARE THAT SALES ARE DOWN DUE TO U.S.
>CUSTOMERS NOT WANTING TO BUY FROM "CITGO-CHAVEZ", HAVE STARTED TO CHANGE
>THE NAME OF SOME OF THEIR STORES TO: "PETRO EXPRESS"
>DO NOT BUY FROM "PETRO EXPRESS" EITHER!!! "PETRO EXPRESS" IS ALSO 100% OWNED
>BY "CHAVEZ."
>
>KEEP THIS MEMO GOING SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>
>BOYCOTT "CITGO" AND "PETRO EXPRESS".............MAKE SURE THIS IS PASSED
>ON TO EVERYONE in YOUR E-MAIL LIST IN THE UNITED STATES AND OUTSIDE OF AMERICA.
>
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| Re: The world, oil, Citgo and Petro Express! [message #85316 is a reply to message #85314] |
Sat, 26 May 2007 00:14 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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LaMont, have you ever heard of Communism? Maybe you should read up on what
Chavez has been up to lately. Start with the buying of russian Migs, missiles,
tanks etc. It's a military build up in our hemisphere. Then the taking
of oil refineries by military force.
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
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>Hugo Chavez is a hero. A man willing to sand up for his counry and not let
>a another country (USA) tell him how to run thier commodity.
>
>This is nothing more than tipical US spin machine out to sway puplic opinion
>about those leaders that don't drink the US Kool-Aid.. They (Venezuelans)
>don't need our aid. They have their own precious commodity.
>
>Wake up people, are we to believe every word coming from our Goverment??
>
>Thanks God for Citgo..
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>This was a email I received.
>>
>>Diane Sawyer on ABC news interviewed the Venezuelan leader Chavez just
last
>>week -- March 2007 He is so dangerous, and you can tell he is thrilled
to
>>be selling oil toAmerica and having a foot on the throat of this country.
>>He is something else. If you did not hear the interview, the following
was
>>discussed and it is true. They have all this money coming in and the majority
>>of his own people are living in poverty and he is so rich. He is best of
>>friends with Castro and Russian leaders. He told Diane Sawyer that he was
>>friends with all the world leaders, but President Bush is as dumb as a
'donkey'.
>>
>>CITGO CHANGING NAME...this is serious Americans...make sure you read ...
>>NEWS FLASH: Chavez is NOW getting a Russian Weapons Factory built by Putin.
>>The RUSSIANS are building an AK-47 Kalashnikov Assault Rifle factory in
>Venezuela,
>>to give armament support to Communist Rebel groups throughout the Americas.
>>
>>Chavez NOW has IRANIANS operating his oil refineries in Venezuela for him.
>>It is likely only a matter of time, if not already, before Chavez has Iranian
>>built LONG RANGE missiles, with a variety of warhead types aimed at: Guess
>>Who?
>>
>>CITGO is NOW in the process of Changing Its Name to PETRO EXPRESS due to
>>the loss of gasoline sales in the USA due to the recent publicity of ownership
>>by Chavez of Venezuela.
>>
>>Every dollar you spend with CITGO or PETRO EXPRESS gasoline will be used
>>against you, your basic human rights, and your freedoms. He will start
wars
>>here in the Americas that will probably be the death of millions of free
>>people.
>>
>>THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT because Chavez is starting to feel the loss of revenue
>>from his holdings. HE OWNS CITGO. This is a very important move that everyone
>>should be aware of.
>>
>>ANNOUNCED JUST RECENTLY, CITGO, BEING AWARE THAT SALES ARE DOWN DUE TO
U.S.
>>CUSTOMERS NOT WANTING TO BUY FROM "CITGO-CHAVEZ", HAVE STARTED TO CHANGE
>>THE NAME OF SOME OF THEIR STORES TO: "PETRO EXPRESS"
>>DO NOT BUY FROM "PETRO EXPRESS" EITHER!!! "PETRO EXPRESS" IS ALSO 100%
OWNED
>>BY "CHAVEZ."
>>
>>KEEP THIS MEMO GOING SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>>
>>BOYCOTT "CITGO" AND "PETRO EXPRESS".............MAKE SURE THIS IS PASSED
>>ON TO EVERYONE in YOUR E-MAIL LIST IN THE UNITED STATES AND OUTSIDE OF
AMERICA.
>>
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| Re: The world, oil, Citgo and Petro Express! [message #85317 is a reply to message #85314] |
Sat, 26 May 2007 01:00 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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By the way, In 1995 I purchased a brand new Firebird. About a month after
getting the car I got gas at a Citgo station. with in minutes of pulling
out, the engine ceased up. Towed it in to a dealer and found out I had bad
gas. I had the state of Michigan come out and test the gas. 71% was water,
about 8% was solid garbage, and the rest was gas. It took out all of the
fuel injectors and the fuel pump. It did about $1700.00 in damage.
Citgo refused to take any responsibility for their product, and refused
to pay for the damage. They immediately told me that they were not responsible
for their product after it left their refinery. Apparently that was their
standard response for anybody that called them about bad gas. It took about
6 months to get it straitened out. The state of Michigan gave them a choice,
pay for the damages or pay a $25,000.00 fine. The arab gas station owner
had to pay for the damage.
My neighbor later told me that when that gas station would start running
out of gas he would see them put the garden hose down in to their tanks.
So I guess the owner deserved what he got. There were also many reports
on the news of people getting bad gas from Citgo stations all over town.
Needless to say, I never buy gas at Citgo. What a PITA! If you want to
buy your gas from them that's up to you.
When possible I will avoid buying Communist made products. And yes I am
aware of where some of my favorite products are made. I don't like it.
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
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>Hugo Chavez is a hero. A man willing to sand up for his counry and not let
>a another country (USA) tell him how to run thier commodity.
>
>This is nothing more than tipical US spin machine out to sway puplic opinion
>about those leaders that don't drink the US Kool-Aid.. They (Venezuelans)
>don't need our aid. They have their own precious commodity.
>
>Wake up people, are we to believe every word coming from our Goverment??
>
>Thanks God for Citgo..
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>This was a email I received.
>>
>>Diane Sawyer on ABC news interviewed the Venezuelan leader Chavez just
last
>>week -- March 2007 He is so dangerous, and you can tell he is thrilled
to
>>be selling oil toAmerica and having a foot on the throat of this country.
>>He is something else. If you did not hear the interview, the following
was
>>discussed and it is true. They have all this money coming in and the majority
>>of his own people are living in poverty and he is so rich. He is best of
>>friends with Castro and Russian leaders. He told Diane Sawyer that he was
>>friends with all the world leaders, but President Bush is as dumb as a
'donkey'.
>>
>>CITGO CHANGING NAME...this is serious Americans...make sure you read ...
>>NEWS FLASH: Chavez is NOW getting a Russian Weapons Factory built by Putin.
>>The RUSSIANS are building an AK-47 Kalashnikov Assault Rifle factory in
>Venezuela,
>>to give armament support to Communist Rebel groups throughout the Americas.
>>
>>Chavez NOW has IRANIANS operating his oil refineries in Venezuela for him.
>>It is likely only a matter of time, if not already, before Chavez has Iranian
>>built LONG RANGE missiles, with a variety of warhead types aimed at: Guess
>>Who?
>>
>>CITGO is NOW in the process of Changing Its Name to PETRO EXPRESS due to
>>the loss of gasoline sales in the USA due to the recent publicity of ownership
>>by Chavez of Venezuela.
>>
>>Every dollar you spend with CITGO or PETRO EXPRESS gasoline will be used
>>against you, your basic human rights, and your freedoms. He will start
wars
>>here in the Americas that will probably be the death of millions of free
>>people.
>>
>>THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT because Chavez is starting to feel the loss of revenue
>>from his holdings. HE OWNS CITGO. This is a very important move that everyone
>>should be aware of.
>>
>>ANNOUNCED JUST RECENTLY, CITGO, BEING AWARE THAT SALES ARE DOWN DUE TO
U.S.
>>CUSTOMERS NOT WANTING TO BUY FROM "CITGO-CHAVEZ", HAVE STARTED TO CHANGE
>>THE NAME OF SOME OF THEIR STORES TO: "PETRO EXPRESS"
>>DO NOT BUY FROM "PETRO EXPRESS" EITHER!!! "PETRO EXPRESS" IS ALSO 100%
OWNED
>>BY "CHAVEZ."
>>
>>KEEP THIS MEMO GOING SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>>
>>BOYCOTT "CITGO" AND "PETRO EXPRESS".............MAKE SURE THIS IS PASSED
>>ON TO EVERYONE in YOUR E-MAIL LIST IN THE UNITED STATES AND OUTSIDE OF
AMERICA.
>>
>>
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| Re: The world, oil, Citgo and Petro Express! [message #85352 is a reply to message #85314] |
Sat, 26 May 2007 09:19 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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LaMont, my friend. I think you are misguided here. I respect your opinions,
but I wonder if you have ever been up close and personal with a totalitarian
state......socialist or otherwise. I have seen it (Nicaragua during and
after Somoza). Before you become enamoured with Somoza, I suggest you take
some time off and go to Venezuela while you still can travel without a
*state tender* (if this is even still possible) and spend about a month
travelling around down there.
Regards,
DJ
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:4657da5b$1@linux...
>
> Hugo Chavez is a hero. A man willing to sand up for his counry and not let
> a another country (USA) tell him how to run thier commodity.
>
> This is nothing more than tipical US spin machine out to sway puplic
> opinion
> about those leaders that don't drink the US Kool-Aid.. They (Venezuelans)
> don't need our aid. They have their own precious commodity.
>
> Wake up people, are we to believe every word coming from our Goverment??
>
> Thanks God for Citgo..
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>This was a email I received.
>>
>>Diane Sawyer on ABC news interviewed the Venezuelan leader Chavez just
>>last
>>week -- March 2007 He is so dangerous, and you can tell he is thrilled to
>>be selling oil toAmerica and having a foot on the throat of this country.
>>He is something else. If you did not hear the interview, the following was
>>discussed and it is true. They have all this money coming in and the
>>majority
>>of his own people are living in poverty and he is so rich. He is best of
>>friends with Castro and Russian leaders. He told Diane Sawyer that he was
>>friends with all the world leaders, but President Bush is as dumb as a
>>'donkey'.
>>
>>CITGO CHANGING NAME...this is serious Americans...make sure you read ...
>>NEWS FLASH: Chavez is NOW getting a Russian Weapons Factory built by
>>Putin.
>>The RUSSIANS are building an AK-47 Kalashnikov Assault Rifle factory in
> Venezuela,
>>to give armament support to Communist Rebel groups throughout the
>>Americas.
>>
>>Chavez NOW has IRANIANS operating his oil refineries in Venezuela for him.
>>It is likely only a matter of time, if not already, before Chavez has
>>Iranian
>>built LONG RANGE missiles, with a variety of warhead types aimed at: Guess
>>Who?
>>
>>CITGO is NOW in the process of Changing Its Name to PETRO EXPRESS due to
>>the loss of gasoline sales in the USA due to the recent publicity of
>>ownership
>>by Chavez of Venezuela.
>>
>>Every dollar you spend with CITGO or PETRO EXPRESS gasoline will be used
>>against you, your basic human rights, and your freedoms. He will start
>>wars
>>here in the Americas that will probably be the death of millions of free
>>people.
>>
>>THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT because Chavez is starting to feel the loss of
>>revenue
>>from his holdings. HE OWNS CITGO. This is a very important move that
>>everyone
>>should be aware of.
>>
>>ANNOUNCED JUST RECENTLY, CITGO, BEING AWARE THAT SALES ARE DOWN DUE TO
>>U.S.
>>CUSTOMERS NOT WANTING TO BUY FROM "CITGO-CHAVEZ", HAVE STARTED TO CHANGE
>>THE NAME OF SOME OF THEIR STORES TO: "PETRO EXPRESS"
>>DO NOT BUY FROM "PETRO EXPRESS" EITHER!!! "PETRO EXPRESS" IS ALSO 100%
>>OWNED
>>BY "CHAVEZ."
>>
>>KEEP THIS MEMO GOING SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>>
>>BOYCOTT "CITGO" AND "PETRO EXPRESS".............MAKE SURE THIS IS PASSED
>>ON TO EVERYONE in YOUR E-MAIL LIST IN THE UNITED STATES AND OUTSIDE OF
>>AMERICA.
>>
>>
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| Re: The world, oil, Citgo and Petro Express! [message #85353 is a reply to message #85352] |
Sat, 26 May 2007 09:22 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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>Before you become enamoured with Somoza,
sorry.......I meant Chavez.......
and another thought........just because Chavez echoes your personal opinions
about Bush, does not make him a "liberator". People like Chavez will say
whatever they think you want to hear as long as it suits their
agenda.....sorta like most American politicians.
Deej
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:46585f86@linux...
> LaMont, my friend. I think you are misguided here. I respect your
> opinions, but I wonder if you have ever been up close and personal with a
> totalitarian state......socialist or otherwise. I have seen it (Nicaragua
> during and after Somoza). Before you become enamoured with Somoza, I
> suggest you take some time off and go to Venezuela while you still can
> travel without a *state tender* (if this is even still possible) and spend
> about a month travelling around down there.
>
> Regards,
>
> DJ
>
>
> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:4657da5b$1@linux...
>>
>> Hugo Chavez is a hero. A man willing to sand up for his counry and not
>> let
>> a another country (USA) tell him how to run thier commodity.
>>
>> This is nothing more than tipical US spin machine out to sway puplic
>> opinion
>> about those leaders that don't drink the US Kool-Aid.. They (Venezuelans)
>> don't need our aid. They have their own precious commodity.
>>
>> Wake up people, are we to believe every word coming from our Goverment??
>>
>> Thanks God for Citgo..
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>This was a email I received.
>>>
>>>Diane Sawyer on ABC news interviewed the Venezuelan leader Chavez just
>>>last
>>>week -- March 2007 He is so dangerous, and you can tell he is thrilled to
>>>be selling oil toAmerica and having a foot on the throat of this country.
>>>He is something else. If you did not hear the interview, the following
>>>was
>>>discussed and it is true. They have all this money coming in and the
>>>majority
>>>of his own people are living in poverty and he is so rich. He is best of
>>>friends with Castro and Russian leaders. He told Diane Sawyer that he was
>>>friends with all the world leaders, but President Bush is as dumb as a
>>>'donkey'.
>>>
>>>CITGO CHANGING NAME...this is serious Americans...make sure you read ...
>>>NEWS FLASH: Chavez is NOW getting a Russian Weapons Factory built by
>>>Putin.
>>>The RUSSIANS are building an AK-47 Kalashnikov Assault Rifle factory in
>> Venezuela,
>>>to give armament support to Communist Rebel groups throughout the
>>>Americas.
>>>
>>>Chavez NOW has IRANIANS operating his oil refineries in Venezuela for
>>>him.
>>>It is likely only a matter of time, if not already, before Chavez has
>>>Iranian
>>>built LONG RANGE missiles, with a variety of warhead types aimed at:
>>>Guess
>>>Who?
>>>
>>>CITGO is NOW in the process of Changing Its Name to PETRO EXPRESS due to
>>>the loss of gasoline sales in the USA due to the recent publicity of
>>>ownership
>>>by Chavez of Venezuela.
>>>
>>>Every dollar you spend with CITGO or PETRO EXPRESS gasoline will be used
>>>against you, your basic human rights, and your freedoms. He will start
>>>wars
>>>here in the Americas that will probably be the death of millions of free
>>>people.
>>>
>>>THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT because Chavez is starting to feel the loss of
>>>revenue
>>>from his holdings. HE OWNS CITGO. This is a very important move that
>>>everyone
>>>should be aware of.
>>>
>>>ANNOUNCED JUST RECENTLY, CITGO, BEING AWARE THAT SALES ARE DOWN DUE TO
>>>U.S.
>>>CUSTOMERS NOT WANTING TO BUY FROM "CITGO-CHAVEZ", HAVE STARTED TO CHANGE
>>>THE NAME OF SOME OF THEIR STORES TO: "PETRO EXPRESS"
>>>DO NOT BUY FROM "PETRO EXPRESS" EITHER!!! "PETRO EXPRESS" IS ALSO 100%
>>>OWNED
>>>BY "CHAVEZ."
>>>
>>>KEEP THIS MEMO GOING SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>>>
>>>BOYCOTT "CITGO" AND "PETRO EXPRESS".............MAKE SURE THIS IS PASSED
>>>ON TO EVERYONE in YOUR E-MAIL LIST IN THE UNITED STATES AND OUTSIDE OF
>>>AMERICA.
>>>
>>>
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| Re: The world, oil, Citgo and Petro Express! [message #85356 is a reply to message #85313] |
Sat, 26 May 2007 09:57 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
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America's appetite for oil is our own problem and we can't blame it on
other countries. We don't own their oil.
The "foot on the throat" is really "feet on the throat" and the feet
belong to OPEC and other oil producers aided by an oil industry that is
more and more consolidated, monolithic and multi-national. But the
responsibility for putting our throat under those feet is largely our own.
In order to get these footprints off of our throat it's not enough to
complain about the governments of other countries, whether they deserve
criticism or not. We need to face up to our own responsibilities and do
something about:
A) Our own oil consumption.
This is key. However you do it, consider using less petroleum. Drive a
more efficient car. Drive less. Go biodiesel (from efficient sources).
Go electric. Ride a bike. Take a bus/train. Walk.
This will help make us less dependent on foreign oil, less manipulable
by terrorist factions, less susceptible to market manipulations and
better able to face the future when oil is harder to come by (oil is not
an infinite resource, google "peak oil"). Reducing our consumption will
also help relieve our shortage of refining capability, which, for a
variety of reasons, we are bumping into pretty hard right now.
Also significant, using less oil will help improve local air quality and
pull back on greenhouse gas emissions.
Win, win.
B) Our own Federal Trade Commission.
If you agree with the GAO that industry consolidation is hurting rather
than helping the consumer at the pump, then something is wrong over at
the FTC. The FTC is our consumer protection watchdog, they oversee and
approves mergers and they enforce anti-trust legislation. Is the fox
guarding the hen house?
C) Our own government.
We have problems using long term planning to avoid situations where our
security is at risk from poor energy policy. This is a failure of
leadership by both major parties.
How do we get better leadership? Is it by electing politicians who
represent multi-national industries? Or is it by electing politicians
who represent their actual constituents?
If you believe in the latter, i.e. "democracy," the election system is
broken on several fronts.
First, the increasing amount of money it takes to get elected means that
most politicians butter their bread from high money sources, because
that's the easy money. K street lobbyists are funneling vast sums of
money to both parties in order to push special interest agendas. This
results in politicians who are beholden to special interest groups for
their jobs. Lobbyists themselves are helping to write new legislation
and are even being appointed to government oversight positions.
This will not be easy to reign in. Possible solutions include:
-Using some amount of the public airwaves for elections without
charge, to make running for office less costly and thus level the
playing field for candidates who don't feed at the lobbyist trough;
-Instant runoff voting so people can vote for their true favorite
candidates without fear of throwing their vote away;
-Full disclosure laws for groups doing political advertising
(including those doing thinly veiled "issue advertising"), so everyone
knows exactly which special interests are behind any disinformation
campaign;
-A responsible fourth estate that shines a bright light on ad
campaigns, showing the funding sources, revealing their interests, and
contrasting any claims with actual facts. We need to balance a special
interest group's right to brazenly lie with the public's need to know
the facts. :^)
-Campaign finance reform. This is an interesting challenge: how to
keep an election from being bought without infringing on "free speech."
Free speech is in quotes because there is some controversy about whether
restricting campaign donations is the same as restricting actual speech.
Second, the election mechanism itself is suspect. A large percentage of
the votes are compiled by computer-based systems that do not keep a
physical record of the vote. There is no way of knowing if the
electronic vote has been hacked, except that 1) we know electronic
voting makes it possible to cheat quickly, undetectably and on a large
scale, and 2) we have a clear history of various parties eagerly
cheating in elections when possible. Draw your own conclusions.
Even with systems that keep a physical, recountable record, it's
important that the ballot of record be the physical representation and
not the electronic representation. The physical representation should be
counted for the first official tally as well as all recounts. It's
exceedingly important that vote tallies are regularly audited using the
physical ballots, with a sufficient percentage of precincts audited to
be very sure that no cheating falls through the cracks.
On the other side of the equation, no party should be allowed to
manipulate the federal system to throw legitimate voters off the rolls
or fail to count any legitimate ballot, provisional or direct. Nor
should dead people vote.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
PS. James, you also raised another issue, that of the arms industry, in
which we are a dominant player. I won't go into it here except to note
that one of the objections you raise about Venezuela is that they are
buying from a competitor.
James McCloskey wrote:
> This was a email I received.
>
> Diane Sawyer on ABC news interviewed the Venezuelan leader Chavez just last
> week -- March 2007 He is so dangerous, and you can tell he is thrilled to
> be selling oil toAmerica and having a foot on the throat of this country.
> He is something else. If you did not hear the interview, the following was
> discussed and it is true. They have all this money coming in and the majority
> of his own people are living in poverty and he is so rich. He is best of
> friends with Castro and Russian leaders. He told Diane Sawyer that he was
> friends with all the world leaders, but President Bush is as dumb as a 'donkey'.
>
> CITGO CHANGING NAME...this is serious Americans...make sure you read ...
> NEWS FLASH: Chavez is NOW getting a Russian Weapons Factory built by Putin.
> The RUSSIANS are building an AK-47 Kalashnikov Assault Rifle factory in Venezuela,
> to give armament support to Communist Rebel groups throughout the Americas.
>
> Chavez NOW has IRANIANS operating his oil refineries in Venezuela for him.
> It is likely only a matter of time, if not already, before Chavez has Iranian
> built LONG RANGE missiles, with a variety of warhead types aimed at: Guess
> Who?
>
> CITGO is NOW in the process of Changing Its Name to PETRO EXPRESS due to
> the loss of gasoline sales in the USA due to the recent publicity of ownership
> by Chavez of Venezuela.
>
> Every dollar you spend with CITGO or PETRO EXPRESS gasoline will be used
> against you, your basic human rights, and your freedoms. He will start wars
> here in the Americas that will probably be the death of millions of free
> people.
>
> THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT because Chavez is starting to feel the loss of revenue
> from his holdings. HE OWNS CITGO. This is a very important move that everyone
> should be aware of.
>
> ANNOUNCED JUST RECENTLY, CITGO, BEING AWARE THAT SALES ARE DOWN DUE TO U.S.
> CUSTOMERS NOT WANTING TO BUY FROM "CITGO-CHAVEZ", HAVE STARTED TO CHANGE
> THE NAME OF SOME OF THEIR STORES TO: "PETRO EXPRESS"
> DO NOT BUY FROM "PETRO EXPRESS" EITHER!!! "PETRO EXPRESS" IS ALSO 100% OWNED
> BY "CHAVEZ."
>
> KEEP THIS MEMO GOING SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>
> BOYCOTT "CITGO" AND "PETRO EXPRESS".............MAKE SURE THIS IS PASSED
> ON TO EVERYONE in YOUR E-MAIL LIST IN THE UNITED STATES AND OUTSIDE OF AMERICA.
>
>
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| Re: The world, oil, Citgo and Petro Express! [message #85360 is a reply to message #85353] |
Sat, 26 May 2007 10:32 |
wireline[7]
Messages: 1
Registered: May 2007
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Junior Member |
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Misguided is not the term I would have thought of...but whatever.
Funny how no one seems to remember the great failed experiment called socialism
(USSR, anyone?) Or better yet, the great failed experiment called facism
(Nazi Germany, anyone?)
The irony is stifling that people seem to forget these things on Memorial
Day weekend...either grossly insensitive, totally out of touch with reality
on this planet, or some combination therein, I would imagine.
If you can read this, thank a teacher - if you can read this in ENGLISH,
thank a veteran.
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>Before you become enamoured with Somoza,
>
>sorry.......I meant Chavez.......
>
>
>and another thought........just because Chavez echoes your personal opinions
>about Bush, does not make him a "liberator". People like Chavez will say
>whatever they think you want to hear as long as it suits their
>agenda.....sorta like most American politicians.
>
>Deej
>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:46585f86@linux...
>> LaMont, my friend. I think you are misguided here. I respect your
>> opinions, but I wonder if you have ever been up close and personal with
a
>> totalitarian state......socialist or otherwise. I have seen it (Nicaragua
>> during and after Somoza). Before you become enamoured with Somoza, I
>> suggest you take some time off and go to Venezuela while you still can
>> travel without a *state tender* (if this is even still possible) and spend
>> about a month travelling around down there.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> DJ
>>
>>
>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:4657da5b$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Hugo Chavez is a hero. A man willing to sand up for his counry and not
>>> let
>>> a another country (USA) tell him how to run thier commodity.
>>>
>>> This is nothing more than tipical US spin machine out to sway puplic
>>> opinion
>>> about those leaders that don't drink the US Kool-Aid.. They (Venezuelans)
>>> don't need our aid. They have their own precious commodity.
>>>
>>> Wake up people, are we to believe every word coming from our Goverment??
>>>
>>> Thanks God for Citgo..
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>This was a email I received.
>>>>
>>>>Diane Sawyer on ABC news interviewed the Venezuelan leader Chavez just
>>>>last
>>>>week -- March 2007 He is so dangerous, and you can tell he is thrilled
to
>>>>be selling oil toAmerica and having a foot on the throat of this country.
>>>>He is something else. If you did not hear the interview, the following
>>>>was
>>>>discussed and it is true. They have all this money coming in and the
>>>>majority
>>>>of his own people are living in poverty and he is so rich. He is best
of
>>>>friends with Castro and Russian leaders. He told Diane Sawyer that he
was
>>>>friends with all the world leaders, but President Bush is as dumb as
a
>>>>'donkey'.
>>>>
>>>>CITGO CHANGING NAME...this is serious Americans...make sure you read
...
>>>>NEWS FLASH: Chavez is NOW getting a Russian Weapons Factory built by
>>>>Putin.
>>>>The RUSSIANS are building an AK-47 Kalashnikov Assault Rifle factory
in
>>> Venezuela,
>>>>to give armament support to Communist Rebel groups throughout the
>>>>Americas.
>>>>
>>>>Chavez NOW has IRANIANS operating his oil refineries in Venezuela for
>>>>him.
>>>>It is likely only a matter of time, if not already, before Chavez has
>>>>Iranian
>>>>built LONG RANGE missiles, with a variety of warhead types aimed at:
>>>>Guess
>>>>Who?
>>>>
>>>>CITGO is NOW in the process of Changing Its Name to PETRO EXPRESS due
to
>>>>the loss of gasoline sales in the USA due to the recent publicity of
>>>>ownership
>>>>by Chavez of Venezuela.
>>>>
>>>>Every dollar you spend with CITGO or PETRO EXPRESS gasoline will be used
>>>>against you, your basic human rights, and your freedoms. He will start
>>>>wars
>>>>here in the Americas that will probably be the death of millions of free
>>>>people.
>>>>
>>>>THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT because Chavez is starting to feel the loss of
>>>>revenue
>>>>from his holdings. HE OWNS CITGO. This is a very important move that
>>>>everyone
>>>>should be aware of.
>>>>
>>>>ANNOUNCED JUST RECENTLY, CITGO, BEING AWARE THAT SALES ARE DOWN DUE TO
>>>>U.S.
>>>>CUSTOMERS NOT WANTING TO BUY FROM "CITGO-CHAVEZ", HAVE STARTED TO CHANGE
>>>>THE NAME OF SOME OF THEIR STORES TO: "PETRO EXPRESS"
>>>>DO NOT BUY FROM "PETRO EXPRESS" EITHER!!! "PETRO EXPRESS" IS ALSO 100%
>>>>OWNED
>>>>BY "CHAVEZ."
>>>>
>>>>KEEP THIS MEMO GOING SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>>>>
>>>>BOYCOTT "CITGO" AND "PETRO EXPRESS".............MAKE SURE THIS IS PASSED
>>>>ON TO EVERYONE in YOUR E-MAIL LIST IN THE UNITED STATES AND OUTSIDE OF
>>>>AMERICA.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: The world, oil, Citgo and Petro Express! [message #85369 is a reply to message #85360] |
Sat, 26 May 2007 11:44 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Senior Member |
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wireline wrote:
> Misguided is not the term I would have thought of...but whatever.
>
> Funny how no one seems to remember the great failed experiment called socialism
> (USSR, anyone?) Or better yet, the great failed experiment called facism
> (Nazi Germany, anyone?)
Who is this "no one" to whom you refer?
Don't you think it's a bit condescending to assume people here fit your
stereotypes of ignorance. Is that why you flaunt your examples as
simplistic sweeping generalizations, did you think people here are slow?
Other than me, that is? ;^)
> If you can read this, thank a teacher - if you can read this in ENGLISH,
> thank a veteran.
Don't forget that our first war was fought against...wait for it...the
English! :^)
Have a great weekend!
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>> Before you become enamoured with Somoza,
>> sorry.......I meant Chavez.......
>>
>>
>> and another thought........just because Chavez echoes your personal opinions
>
>> about Bush, does not make him a "liberator". People like Chavez will say
>
>> whatever they think you want to hear as long as it suits their
>> agenda.....sorta like most American politicians.
>>
>> Deej
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:46585f86@linux...
>>> LaMont, my friend. I think you are misguided here. I respect your
>>> opinions, but I wonder if you have ever been up close and personal with
> a
>>> totalitarian state......socialist or otherwise. I have seen it (Nicaragua
>
>>> during and after Somoza). Before you become enamoured with Somoza, I
>>> suggest you take some time off and go to Venezuela while you still can
>
>>> travel without a *state tender* (if this is even still possible) and spend
>
>>> about a month travelling around down there.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> DJ
>>>
>>>
>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:4657da5b$1@linux...
>>>> Hugo Chavez is a hero. A man willing to sand up for his counry and not
>
>>>> let
>>>> a another country (USA) tell him how to run thier commodity.
>>>>
>>>> This is nothing more than tipical US spin machine out to sway puplic
>
>>>> opinion
>>>> about those leaders that don't drink the US Kool-Aid.. They (Venezuelans)
>>>> don't need our aid. They have their own precious commodity.
>>>>
>>>> Wake up people, are we to believe every word coming from our Goverment??
>>>>
>>>> Thanks God for Citgo..
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> This was a email I received.
>>>>>
>>>>> Diane Sawyer on ABC news interviewed the Venezuelan leader Chavez just
>
>>>>> last
>>>>> week -- March 2007 He is so dangerous, and you can tell he is thrilled
> to
>>>>> be selling oil toAmerica and having a foot on the throat of this country.
>>>>> He is something else. If you did not hear the interview, the following
>
>>>>> was
>>>>> discussed and it is true. They have all this money coming in and the
>
>>>>> majority
>>>>> of his own people are living in poverty and he is so rich. He is best
> of
>>>>> friends with Castro and Russian leaders. He told Diane Sawyer that he
> was
>>>>> friends with all the world leaders, but President Bush is as dumb as
> a
>>>>> 'donkey'.
>>>>>
>>>>> CITGO CHANGING NAME...this is serious Americans...make sure you read
> ..
>>>>> NEWS FLASH: Chavez is NOW getting a Russian Weapons Factory built by
>
>>>>> Putin.
>>>>> The RUSSIANS are building an AK-47 Kalashnikov Assault Rifle factory
> in
>>>> Venezuela,
>>>>> to give armament support to Communist Rebel groups throughout the
>>>>> Americas.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chavez NOW has IRANIANS operating his oil refineries in Venezuela for
>
>>>>> him.
>>>>> It is likely only a matter of time, if not already, before Chavez has
>
>>>>> Iranian
>>>>> built LONG RANGE missiles, with a variety of warhead types aimed at:
>
>>>>> Guess
>>>>> Who?
>>>>>
>>>>> CITGO is NOW in the process of Changing Its Name to PETRO EXPRESS due
> to
>>>>> the loss of gasoline sales in the USA due to the recent publicity of
>
>>>>> ownership
>>>>> by Chavez of Venezuela.
>>>>>
>>>>> Every dollar you spend with CITGO or PETRO EXPRESS gasoline will be used
>>>>> against you, your basic human rights, and your freedoms. He will start
>
>>>>> wars
>>>>> here in the Americas that will probably be the death of millions of free
>>>>> people.
>>>>>
>>>>> THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT because Chavez is starting to feel the loss of
>
>>>>> revenue
>>>> >from his holdings. HE OWNS CITGO. This is a very important move that
>
>>>>> everyone
>>>>> should be aware of.
>>>>>
>>>>> ANNOUNCED JUST RECENTLY, CITGO, BEING AWARE THAT SALES ARE DOWN DUE TO
>
>>>>> U.S.
>>>>> CUSTOMERS NOT WANTING TO BUY FROM "CITGO-CHAVEZ", HAVE STARTED TO CHANGE
>>>>> THE NAME OF SOME OF THEIR STORES TO: "PETRO EXPRESS"
>>>>> DO NOT BUY FROM "PETRO EXPRESS" EITHER!!! "PETRO EXPRESS" IS ALSO 100%
>
>>>>> OWNED
>>>>> BY "CHAVEZ."
>>>>>
>>>>> KEEP THIS MEMO GOING SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>>>>>
>>>>> BOYCOTT "CITGO" AND "PETRO EXPRESS".............MAKE SURE THIS IS PASSED
>>>>> ON TO EVERYONE in YOUR E-MAIL LIST IN THE UNITED STATES AND OUTSIDE OF
>
>>>>> AMERICA.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: The world, oil, Citgo and Petro Express! [message #85370 is a reply to message #85369] |
Sat, 26 May 2007 12:00 |
wireline[6]
Messages: 2
Registered: May 2007
|
Junior Member |
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Jamie...please do not be such a hatefilled spiteful person...you do not know
one damn thing about me, nor do you have a right to refer to me as ignorant...
FYI, I am a service connected disabled vet - plainly, I gave up the majority
of my mobility in the line of duty, so that others could express themselves
as they wish..
Another FYI, I have been met and interacted with those from the former East
Germany and the former Czechoslavakia, both socialist satellites...and exactly
100% of those people I met from communist/dictatorships thanked the US for
assisting in the enabling of their freedoms...
Sadly, those very people are more grateful for the US than most people living
in it today...
And, from me, my father (highly decorated WW2 and Korean War vet), and my
brother (Vietnam vet) you are welcome. I stand by my words, I stand by my
nation.
Peace.
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>wireline wrote:
>> Misguided is not the term I would have thought of...but whatever.
>>
>> Funny how no one seems to remember the great failed experiment called
socialism
>> (USSR, anyone?) Or better yet, the great failed experiment called facism
>> (Nazi Germany, anyone?)
>
>Who is this "no one" to whom you refer?
>
>Don't you think it's a bit condescending to assume people here fit your
>stereotypes of ignorance. Is that why you flaunt your examples as
>simplistic sweeping generalizations, did you think people here are slow?
>
>Other than me, that is? ;^)
>
>
>> If you can read this, thank a teacher - if you can read this in ENGLISH,
>> thank a veteran.
>
>Don't forget that our first war was fought against...wait for it...the
>English! :^)
>
>Have a great weekend!
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>> Before you become enamoured with Somoza,
>>> sorry.......I meant Chavez.......
>>>
>>>
>>> and another thought........just because Chavez echoes your personal opinions
>>
>>> about Bush, does not make him a "liberator". People like Chavez will
say
>>
>>> whatever they think you want to hear as long as it suits their
>>> agenda.....sorta like most American politicians.
>>>
>>> Deej
>>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:46585f86@linux...
>>>> LaMont, my friend. I think you are misguided here. I respect your
>>>> opinions, but I wonder if you have ever been up close and personal with
>> a
>>>> totalitarian state......socialist or otherwise. I have seen it (Nicaragua
>>
>>>> during and after Somoza). Before you become enamoured with Somoza, I
>>>> suggest you take some time off and go to Venezuela while you still can
>>
>>>> travel without a *state tender* (if this is even still possible) and
spend
>>
>>>> about a month travelling around down there.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> DJ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:4657da5b$1@linux...
>>>>> Hugo Chavez is a hero. A man willing to sand up for his counry and
not
>>
>>>>> let
>>>>> a another country (USA) tell him how to run thier commodity.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is nothing more than tipical US spin machine out to sway puplic
>>
>>>>> opinion
>>>>> about those leaders that don't drink the US Kool-Aid.. They (Venezuelans)
>>>>> don't need our aid. They have their own precious commodity.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wake up people, are we to believe every word coming from our Goverment??
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks God for Citgo..
>>>>>
>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> This was a email I received.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Diane Sawyer on ABC news interviewed the Venezuelan leader Chavez
just
>>
>>>>>> last
>>>>>> week -- March 2007 He is so dangerous, and you can tell he is thrilled
>> to
>>>>>> be selling oil toAmerica and having a foot on the throat of this country.
>>>>>> He is something else. If you did not hear the interview, the following
>>
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> discussed and it is true. They have all this money coming in and the
>>
>>>>>> majority
>>>>>> of his own people are living in poverty and he is so rich. He is best
>> of
>>>>>> friends with Castro and Russian leaders. He told Diane Sawyer that
he
>> was
>>>>>> friends with all the world leaders, but President Bush is as dumb
as
>> a
>>>>>> 'donkey'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CITGO CHANGING NAME...this is serious Americans...make sure you read
>> ..
>>>>>> NEWS FLASH: Chavez is NOW getting a Russian Weapons Factory built
by
>>
>>>>>> Putin.
>>>>>> The RUSSIANS are building an AK-47 Kalashnikov Assault Rifle factory
>> in
>>>>> Venezuela,
>>>>>> to give armament support to Communist Rebel groups throughout the
>>>>>> Americas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chavez NOW has IRANIANS operating his oil refineries in Venezuela
for
>>
>>>>>> him.
>>>>>> It is likely only a matter of time, if not already, before Chavez
has
>>
>>>>>> Iranian
>>>>>> built LONG RANGE missiles, with a variety of warhead types aimed at:
>>
>>>>>> Guess
>>>>>> Who?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CITGO is NOW in the process of Changing Its Name to PETRO EXPRESS
due
>> to
>>>>>> the loss of gasoline sales in the USA due to the recent publicity
of
>>
>>>>>> ownership
>>>>>> by Chavez of Venezuela.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Every dollar you spend with CITGO or PETRO EXPRESS gasoline will be
used
>>>>>> against you, your basic human rights, and your freedoms. He will start
>>
>>>>>> wars
>>>>>> here in the Americas that will probably be the death of millions of
free
>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT because Chavez is starting to feel the loss
of
>>
>>>>>> revenue
>>>>> >from his holdings. HE OWNS CITGO. This is a very important move that
>>
>>>>>> everyone
>>>>>> should be aware of.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ANNOUNCED JUST RECENTLY, CITGO, BEING AWARE THAT SALES ARE DOWN DUE
TO
>>
>>>>>> U.S.
>>>>>> CUSTOMERS NOT WANTING TO BUY FROM "CITGO-CHAVEZ", HAVE STARTED TO
CHANGE
>>>>>> THE NAME OF SOME OF THEIR STORES TO: "PETRO EXPRESS"
>>>>>> DO NOT BUY FROM "PETRO EXPRESS" EITHER!!! "PETRO EXPRESS" IS ALSO
100%
>>
>>>>>> OWNED
>>>>>> BY "CHAVEZ."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> KEEP THIS MEMO GOING SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BOYCOTT "CITGO" AND "PETRO EXPRESS".............MAKE SURE THIS IS
PASSED
>>>>>> ON TO EVERYONE in YOUR E-MAIL LIST IN THE UNITED STATES AND OUTSIDE
OF
>>
>>>>>> AMERICA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: The world, oil, Citgo and Petro Express! [message #85373 is a reply to message #85369] |
Sat, 26 May 2007 13:03 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Senior Member |
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>>If you can read this, thank a teacher - if you can read this in ENGLISH,thank
a veteran.<<
Our brilliant politicians had no will for war, it took the Japanese attacking
us to get us involved. They wanted to just stand by and watch the world be
taken over. WE need to thank the veterans for having the will to fight and
win WWII. left to the pacifists we'd all be speaking German, or maybe Russian
As far as the veterans that fought England, they had the will to fight and
be free from tyranny and unfair taxation. At least Americans were willing
to fight for and earn our freedoms, unlike others that are never willing
to fight for freedom.
We owe our vets a debt of gratitude.
Thank you!
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>wireline wrote:
>> Misguided is not the term I would have thought of...but whatever.
>>
>> Funny how no one seems to remember the great failed experiment called
socialism
>> (USSR, anyone?) Or better yet, the great failed experiment called facism
>> (Nazi Germany, anyone?)
>
>Who is this "no one" to whom you refer?
>
>Don't you think it's a bit condescending to assume people here fit your
>stereotypes of ignorance. Is that why you flaunt your examples as
>simplistic sweeping generalizations, did you think people here are slow?
>
>Other than me, that is? ;^)
>
>
>> If you can read this, thank a teacher - if you can read this in ENGLISH,
>> thank a veteran.
>
>Don't forget that our first war was fought against...wait for it...the
>English! :^)
>
>Have a great weekend!
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>> Before you become enamoured with Somoza,
>>> sorry.......I meant Chavez.......
>>>
>>>
>>> and another thought........just because Chavez echoes your personal opinions
>>
>>> about Bush, does not make him a "liberator". People like Chavez will
say
>>
>>> whatever they think you want to hear as long as it suits their
>>> agenda.....sorta like most American politicians.
>>>
>>> Deej
>>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:46585f86@linux...
>>>> LaMont, my friend. I think you are misguided here. I respect your
>>>> opinions, but I wonder if you have ever been up close and personal with
>> a
>>>> totalitarian state......socialist or otherwise. I have seen it (Nicaragua
>>
>>>> during and after Somoza). Before you become enamoured with Somoza, I
>>>> suggest you take some time off and go to Venezuela while you still can
>>
>>>> travel without a *state tender* (if this is even still possible) and
spend
>>
>>>> about a month travelling around down there.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> DJ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:4657da5b$1@linux...
>>>>> Hugo Chavez is a hero. A man willing to sand up for his counry and
not
>>
>>>>> let
>>>>> a another country (USA) tell him how to run thier commodity.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is nothing more than tipical US spin machine out to sway puplic
>>
>>>>> opinion
>>>>> about those leaders that don't drink the US Kool-Aid.. They (Venezuelans)
>>>>> don't need our aid. They have their own precious commodity.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wake up people, are we to believe every word coming from our Goverment??
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks God for Citgo..
>>>>>
>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> This was a email I received.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Diane Sawyer on ABC news interviewed the Venezuelan leader Chavez
just
>>
>>>>>> last
>>>>>> week -- March 2007 He is so dangerous, and you can tell he is thrilled
>> to
>>>>>> be selling oil toAmerica and having a foot on the throat of this country.
>>>>>> He is something else. If you did not hear the interview, the following
>>
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> discussed and it is true. They have all this money coming in and the
>>
>>>>>> majority
>>>>>> of his own people are living in poverty and he is so rich. He is best
>> of
>>>>>> friends with Castro and Russian leaders. He told Diane Sawyer that
he
>> was
>>>>>> friends with all the world leaders, but President Bush is as dumb
as
>> a
>>>>>> 'donkey'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CITGO CHANGING NAME...this is serious Americans...make sure you read
>> ..
>>>>>> NEWS FLASH: Chavez is NOW getting a Russian Weapons Factory built
by
>>
>>>>>> Putin.
>>>>>> The RUSSIANS are building an AK-47 Kalashnikov Assault Rifle factory
>> in
>>>>> Venezuela,
>>>>>> to give armament support to Communist Rebel groups throughout the
>>>>>> Americas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chavez NOW has IRANIANS operating his oil refineries in Venezuela
for
>>
>>>>>> him.
>>>>>> It is likely only a matter of time, if not already, before Chavez
has
>>
>>>>>> Iranian
>>>>>> built LONG RANGE missiles, with a variety of warhead types aimed at:
>>
>>>>>> Guess
>>>>>> Who?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CITGO is NOW in the process of Changing Its Name to PETRO EXPRESS
due
>> to
>>>>>> the loss of gasoline sales in the USA due to the recent publicity
of
>>
>>>>>> ownership
>>>>>> by Chavez of Venezuela.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Every dollar you spend with CITGO or PETRO EXPRESS gasoline will be
used
>>>>>> against you, your basic human rights, and your freedoms. He will start
>>
>>>>>> wars
>>>>>> here in the Americas that will probably be the death of millions of
free
>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT because Chavez is starting to feel the loss
of
>>
>>>>>> revenue
>>>>> >from his holdings. HE OWNS CITGO. This is a very important move that
>>
>>>>>> everyone
>>>>>> should be aware of.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ANNOUNCED JUST RECENTLY, CITGO, BEING AWARE THAT SALES ARE DOWN DUE
TO
>>
>>>>>> U.S.
>>>>>> CUSTOMERS NOT WANTING TO BUY FROM "CITGO-CHAVEZ", HAVE STARTED TO
CHANGE
>>>>>> THE NAME OF SOME OF THEIR STORES TO: "PETRO EXPRESS"
>>>>>> DO NOT BUY FROM "PETRO EXPRESS" EITHER!!! "PETRO EXPRESS" IS ALSO
100%
>>
>>>>>> OWNED
>>>>>> BY "CHAVEZ."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> KEEP THIS MEMO GOING SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BOYCOTT "CITGO" AND "PETRO EXPRESS".............MAKE SURE THIS IS
PASSED
>>>>>> ON TO EVERYONE in YOUR E-MAIL LIST IN THE UNITED STATES AND OUTSIDE
OF
>>
>>>>>> AMERICA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: The world, oil, Citgo and Petro Express! [message #85387 is a reply to message #85370] |
Sat, 26 May 2007 16:18 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
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reline wrote:
> Jamie...please do not be such a hatefilled spiteful person...you do not know
> one damn thing about me, nor do you have a right to refer to me as ignorant...
I apologize if you feel I was being hateful. I certainly don't hate you
and did not mean to express any form of hate.
Disagreement isn't hate. From what I can tell so far, I may disagree
with you on a few things but we probably agree on others.
As you said, I don't know you. But we can get to know each other here,
and I would be happy to call you friend.
I didn't refer to you as ignorant. I hope I was clear however that I
thought your last post was a bit condescending (it made you seem like
you think OTHER people here are ignorant, actually).
I don't know much about you partly because you're new here and partly
because you choose to be anonymous. But Deej vouches for you and that
counts for a lot.
Since I don't like to see vague groups of people put down with
generalized sloganeering, you may see me comment as I did with your
post. Feel free to get specific and educate me with facts that support
your positions.
I'll feel free to offer my opinions, such as they are, and the evidence
and thinking behind them. Maybe we can learn from each other.
> FYI, I am a service connected disabled vet - plainly, I gave up the majority
> of my mobility in the line of duty, so that others could express themselves
> as they wish..
I'm very sorry to hear of your injuries. Thank you for your service to
our country.
> Another FYI, I have been met and interacted with those from the former East
> Germany and the former Czechoslavakia, both socialist satellites...and exactly
> 100% of those people I met from communist/dictatorships thanked the US for
> assisting in the enabling of their freedoms...
The main issue is this: It would be wrong to assume that anyone who
criticizes our government or foreign policy today is akin to Lenin,
Hitler, Honecker, Husák, Saddam or anyone other despot you may want to list.
For example, I'd be interested in any rationale behind the implication
that anyone here is advocating a move in the USA toward Nazism. It's
grand hyperbole to imply it, and it calls into question the motives of
decent people here.
People can disagree in these United States and that doesn't
automatically make them stupid or Nazis. Hopefully we can all talk about
any disagreements or different perspectives and compare facts, and maybe
find common ground and mutual growth.
Everyone sees things from different perspectives which is actually very
useful for those who want to compare and learn, it's not threatening.
BTW, if you're going to rail against particular social systems, we may
want to get some agreed-on definitions down to start with. We live in a
country that combines elements of several systems, so if you're going to
bash any of them, it'd be useful to be specific about exactly what
you're bashing. Generalizations often lead to misunderstandings.
How do you describe our system overall? How do you define socialism? How
do you define fascism? How do you define capitalism? Maybe we should
start with those. If you're interested in discussing it.
> Sadly, those very people are more grateful for the US than most people living
> in it today...
Where do you get that assumption? Any statistics behind it? That's a
large and sad accusation to level against the majority of your fellow
citizens.
> And, from me, my father (highly decorated WW2 and Korean War vet), and my
> brother (Vietnam vet) you are welcome. I stand by my words, I stand by my
> nation.
So as you stand by our nation along with veterans related to you, me and
everyone here, I have to think you don't really mean to put down the
majority of our citizens with generalized, condescending remarks. I
can't believe you really think we're a nation of mostly ignorant
ingrates or Nazi wannabes.
I can understand how you might think badly of your fellow countrymen on
some days, given the way veterans have been treated here. At times our
treatment of veterans has been shameful. We have not always done right
by veterans, and that's a big issue.
But I think it goes too far to believe that anyone who disagrees with an
assertion is automatically A) unpatriotic or B) unappreciative of the
sacrifice of everyone who has put their lives and passion on the line so
we may have the opportunity to participate in and help improve our
country today.
In fact, a lot of folks are putting their own lives and passion on the
line today, in many ways. Good people working to participate and help
improve our country. And even if they happen to disagree with you or me
on some issues, they have that right. Veterans and non-veterans alike.
> Peace.
Thanks. Have a peaceful weekend.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> wireline wrote:
>>> Misguided is not the term I would have thought of...but whatever.
>>>
>>> Funny how no one seems to remember the great failed experiment called
> socialism
>>> (USSR, anyone?) Or better yet, the great failed experiment called facism
>>> (Nazi Germany, anyone?)
>> Who is this "no one" to whom you refer?
>>
>> Don't you think it's a bit condescending to assume people here fit your
>
>> stereotypes of ignorance. Is that why you flaunt your examples as
>> simplistic sweeping generalizations, did you think people here are slow?
>>
>> Other than me, that is? ;^)
>>
>>
>>> If you can read this, thank a teacher - if you can read this in ENGLISH,
>>> thank a veteran.
>> Don't forget that our first war was fought against...wait for it...the
>> English! :^)
>>
>> Have a great weekend!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>> Before you become enamoured with Somoza,
>>>> sorry.......I meant Chavez.......
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> and another thought........just because Chavez echoes your personal opinions
>>>> about Bush, does not make him a "liberator". People like Chavez will
> say
>>>> whatever they think you want to hear as long as it suits their
>>>> agenda.....sorta like most American politicians.
>>>>
>>>> Deej
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:46585f86@linux...
>>>>> LaMont, my friend. I think you are misguided here. I respect your
>>>>> opinions, but I wonder if you have ever been up close and personal with
>>> a
>>>>> totalitarian state......socialist or otherwise. I have seen it (Nicaragua
>>>>> during and after Somoza). Before you become enamoured with Somoza, I
>
>>>>> suggest you take some time off and go to Venezuela while you still can
>>>>> travel without a *state tender* (if this is even still possible) and
> spend
>>>>> about a month travelling around down there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> DJ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:4657da5b$1@linux...
>>>>>> Hugo Chavez is a hero. A man willing to sand up for his counry and
> not
>>>>>> let
>>>>>> a another country (USA) tell him how to run thier commodity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is nothing more than tipical US spin machine out to sway puplic
>>>>>> opinion
>>>>>> about those leaders that don't drink the US Kool-Aid.. They (Venezuelans)
>>>>>> don't need our aid. They have their own precious commodity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wake up people, are we to believe every word coming from our Goverment??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks God for Citgo..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> This was a email I received.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Diane Sawyer on ABC news interviewed the Venezuelan leader Chavez
> just
>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>> week -- March 2007 He is so dangerous, and you can tell he is thrilled
>>> to
>>>>>>> be selling oil toAmerica and having a foot on the throat of this country.
>>>>>>> He is something else. If you did not hear the interview, the following
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> discussed and it is true. They have all this money coming in and the
>>>>>>> majority
>>>>>>> of his own people are living in poverty and he is so rich. He is best
>>> of
>>>>>>> friends with Castro and Russian leaders. He told Diane Sawyer that
> he
>>> was
>>>>>>> friends with all the world leaders, but President Bush is as dumb
> as
>>> a
>>>>>>> 'donkey'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CITGO CHANGING NAME...this is serious Americans...make sure you read
>>> ..
>>>>>>> NEWS FLASH: Chavez is NOW getting a Russian Weapons Factory built
> by
>>>>>>> Putin.
>>>>>>> The RUSSIANS are building an AK-47 Kalashnikov Assault Rifle factory
>>> in
>>>>>> Venezuela,
>>>>>>> to give armament support to Communist Rebel groups throughout the
>
>>>>>>> Americas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chavez NOW has IRANIANS operating his oil refineries in Venezuela
> for
>>>>>>> him.
>>>>>>> It is likely only a matter of time, if not already, before Chavez
> has
>>>>>>> Iranian
>>>>>>> built LONG RANGE missiles, with a variety of warhead types aimed at:
>>>>>>> Guess
>>>>>>> Who?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CITGO is NOW in the process of Changing Its Name to PETRO EXPRESS
> due
>>> to
>>>>>>> the loss of gasoline sales in the USA due to the recent publicity
> of
>>>>>>> ownership
>>>>>>> by Chavez of Venezuela.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Every dollar you spend with CITGO or PETRO EXPRESS gasoline will be
> used
>>>>>>> against you, your basic human rights, and your freedoms. He will start
>>>>>>> wars
>>>>>>> here in the Americas that will probably be the death of millions of
> free
>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT because Chavez is starting to feel the loss
> of
>>>>>>> revenue
>>>>>> >from his holdings. HE OWNS CITGO. This is a very important move that
>>>>>>> everyone
>>>>>>> should be aware of.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ANNOUNCED JUST RECENTLY, CITGO, BEING AWARE THAT SALES ARE DOWN DUE
> TO
>>>>>>> U.S.
>>>>>>> CUSTOMERS NOT WANTING TO BUY FROM "CITGO-CHAVEZ", HAVE STARTED TO
> CHANGE
>>>>>>> THE NAME OF SOME OF THEIR STORES TO: "PETRO EXPRESS"
>>>>>>> DO NOT BUY FROM "PETRO EXPRESS" EITHER!!! "PETRO EXPRESS" IS ALSO
> 100%
>>>>>>> OWNED
>>>>>>> BY "CHAVEZ."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> KEEP THIS MEMO GOING SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BOYCOTT "CITGO" AND "PETRO EXPRESS".............MAKE SURE THIS IS
> PASSED
>>>>>>> ON TO EVERYONE in YOUR E-MAIL LIST IN THE UNITED STATES AND OUTSIDE
> OF
>>>>>>> AMERICA.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>
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| Re: The world, oil, Citgo and Petro Express! [message #85468 is a reply to message #85316] |
Mon, 28 May 2007 07:51 |
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What's wrong with that.. That's his country..He buys misiles to defend his
country.. What's wrong with that??
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>LaMont, have you ever heard of Communism? Maybe you should read up on what
>Chavez has been up to lately. Start with the buying of russian Migs, missiles,
>tanks etc. It's a military build up in our hemisphere. Then the taking
>of oil refineries by military force.
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Hugo Chavez is a hero. A man willing to sand up for his counry and not
let
>>a another country (USA) tell him how to run thier commodity.
>>
>>This is nothing more than tipical US spin machine out to sway puplic opinion
>>about those leaders that don't drink the US Kool-Aid.. They (Venezuelans)
>>don't need our aid. They have their own precious commodity.
>>
>>Wake up people, are we to believe every word coming from our Goverment??
>>
>>Thanks God for Citgo..
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>This was a email I received.
>>>
>>>Diane Sawyer on ABC news interviewed the Venezuelan leader Chavez just
>last
>>>week -- March 2007 He is so dangerous, and you can tell he is thrilled
>to
>>>be selling oil toAmerica and having a foot on the throat of this country.
>>>He is something else. If you did not hear the interview, the following
>was
>>>discussed and it is true. They have all this money coming in and the majority
>>>of his own people are living in poverty and he is so rich. He is best
of
>>>friends with Castro and Russian leaders. He told Diane Sawyer that he
was
>>>friends with all the world leaders, but President Bush is as dumb as a
>'donkey'.
>>>
>>>CITGO CHANGING NAME...this is serious Americans...make sure you read ...
>>>NEWS FLASH: Chavez is NOW getting a Russian Weapons Factory built by Putin.
>>>The RUSSIANS are building an AK-47 Kalashnikov Assault Rifle factory in
>>Venezuela,
>>>to give armament support to Communist Rebel groups throughout the Americas.
>>>
>>>Chavez NOW has IRANIANS operating his oil refineries in Venezuela for
him.
>>>It is likely only a matter of time, if not already, before Chavez has
Iranian
>>>built LONG RANGE missiles, with a variety of warhead types aimed at: Guess
>>>Who?
>>>
>>>CITGO is NOW in the process of Changing Its Name to PETRO EXPRESS due
to
>>>the loss of gasoline sales in the USA due to the recent publicity of ownership
>>>by Chavez of Venezuela.
>>>
>>>Every dollar you spend with CITGO or PETRO EXPRESS gasoline will be used
>>>against you, your basic human rights, and your freedoms. He will start
>wars
>>>here in the Americas that will probably be the death of millions of free
>>>people.
>>>
>>>THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT because Chavez is starting to feel the loss of
revenue
>>>from his holdings. HE OWNS CITGO. This is a very important move that everyone
>>>should be aware of.
>>>
>>>ANNOUNCED JUST RECENTLY, CITGO, BEING AWARE THAT SALES ARE DOWN DUE TO
>U.S.
>>>CUSTOMERS NOT WANTING TO BUY FROM "CITGO-CHAVEZ", HAVE STARTED TO CHANGE
>>>THE NAME OF SOME OF THEIR STORES TO: "PETRO EXPRESS"
>>>DO NOT BUY FROM "PETRO EXPRESS" EITHER!!! "PETRO EXPRESS" IS ALSO 100%
>OWNED
>>>BY "CHAVEZ."
>>>
>>>KEEP THIS MEMO GOING SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>>>
>>>BOYCOTT "CITGO" AND "PETRO EXPRESS".............MAKE SURE THIS IS PASSED
>>>ON TO EVERYONE in YOUR E-MAIL LIST IN THE UNITED STATES AND OUTSIDE OF
>AMERICA.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: The world, oil, Citgo and Petro Express! [message #85469 is a reply to message #85317] |
Mon, 28 May 2007 07:54 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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same with tme. I had a 88 Izuzu I mark and filled it with some citgo gas/water
and it killed my catalytic converter..
It took a long time for me to buy Citgo gas . But, just because a country
is communist, does that mean they are evil??
Come on man. Take off the USA blinders..
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>By the way, In 1995 I purchased a brand new Firebird. About a month after
>getting the car I got gas at a Citgo station. with in minutes of pulling
>out, the engine ceased up. Towed it in to a dealer and found out I had
bad
>gas. I had the state of Michigan come out and test the gas. 71% was water,
>about 8% was solid garbage, and the rest was gas. It took out all of the
>fuel injectors and the fuel pump. It did about $1700.00 in damage.
>
> Citgo refused to take any responsibility for their product, and refused
>to pay for the damage. They immediately told me that they were not responsible
>for their product after it left their refinery. Apparently that was their
>standard response for anybody that called them about bad gas. It took about
>6 months to get it straitened out. The state of Michigan gave them a choice,
>pay for the damages or pay a $25,000.00 fine. The arab gas station owner
>had to pay for the damage.
>
>My neighbor later told me that when that gas station would start running
>out of gas he would see them put the garden hose down in to their tanks.
> So I guess the owner deserved what he got. There were also many reports
>on the news of people getting bad gas from Citgo stations all over town.
>
>Needless to say, I never buy gas at Citgo. What a PITA! If you want to
>buy your gas from them that's up to you.
>
>When possible I will avoid buying Communist made products. And yes I am
>aware of where some of my favorite products are made. I don't like it.
>
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Hugo Chavez is a hero. A man willing to sand up for his counry and not
let
>>a another country (USA) tell him how to run thier commodity.
>>
>>This is nothing more than tipical US spin machine out to sway puplic opinion
>>about those leaders that don't drink the US Kool-Aid.. They (Venezuelans)
>>don't need our aid. They have their own precious commodity.
>>
>>Wake up people, are we to believe every word coming from our Goverment??
>>
>>Thanks God for Citgo..
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>This was a email I received.
>>>
>>>Diane Sawyer on ABC news interviewed the Venezuelan leader Chavez just
>last
>>>week -- March 2007 He is so dangerous, and you can tell he is thrilled
>to
>>>be selling oil toAmerica and having a foot on the throat of this country.
>>>He is something else. If you did not hear the interview, the following
>was
>>>discussed and it is true. They have all this money coming in and the majority
>>>of his own people are living in poverty and he is so rich. He is best
of
>>>friends with Castro and Russian leaders. He told Diane Sawyer that he
was
>>>friends with all the world leaders, but President Bush is as dumb as a
>'donkey'.
>>>
>>>CITGO CHANGING NAME...this is serious Americans...make sure you read ...
>>>NEWS FLASH: Chavez is NOW getting a Russian Weapons Factory built by Putin.
>>>The RUSSIANS are building an AK-47 Kalashnikov Assault Rifle factory in
>>Venezuela,
>>>to give armament support to Communist Rebel groups throughout the Americas.
>>>
>>>Chavez NOW has IRANIANS operating his oil refineries in Venezuela for
him.
>>>It is likely only a matter of time, if not already, before Chavez has
Iranian
>>>built LONG RANGE missiles, with a variety of warhead types aimed at: Guess
>>>Who?
>>>
>>>CITGO is NOW in the process of Changing Its Name to PETRO EXPRESS due
to
>>>the loss of gasoline sales in the USA due to the recent publicity of ownership
>>>by Chavez of Venezuela.
>>>
>>>Every dollar you spend with CITGO or PETRO EXPRESS gasoline will be used
>>>against you, your basic human rights, and your freedoms. He will start
>wars
>>>here in the Americas that will probably be the death of millions of free
>>>people.
>>>
>>>THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT because Chavez is starting to feel the loss of
revenue
>>>from his holdings. HE OWNS CITGO. This is a very important move that everyone
>>>should be aware of.
>>>
>>>ANNOUNCED JUST RECENTLY, CITGO, BEING AWARE THAT SALES ARE DOWN DUE TO
>U.S.
>>>CUSTOMERS NOT WANTING TO BUY FROM "CITGO-CHAVEZ", HAVE STARTED TO CHANGE
>>>THE NAME OF SOME OF THEIR STORES TO: "PETRO EXPRESS"
>>>DO NOT BUY FROM "PETRO EXPRESS" EITHER!!! "PETRO EXPRESS" IS ALSO 100%
>OWNED
>>>BY "CHAVEZ."
>>>
>>>KEEP THIS MEMO GOING SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>>>
>>>BOYCOTT "CITGO" AND "PETRO EXPRESS".............MAKE SURE THIS IS PASSED
>>>ON TO EVERYONE in YOUR E-MAIL LIST IN THE UNITED STATES AND OUTSIDE OF
>AMERICA.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: The world, oil, Citgo and Petro Express! [message #85470 is a reply to message #85469] |
Mon, 28 May 2007 07:59 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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Senior Member |
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>But, just because a country
is communist, does that mean they are evil??<
Yes. they are currently putting the nail in the coffin of the free press
there by shutting down the only TV station that broadcasts anything other
than the party line.
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:465aed1e$1@linux...
>
> same with tme. I had a 88 Izuzu I mark and filled it with some citgo
> gas/water
> and it killed my catalytic converter..
>
> It took a long time for me to buy Citgo gas . But, just because a country
> is communist, does that mean they are evil??
> Come on man. Take off the USA blinders..
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>By the way, In 1995 I purchased a brand new Firebird. About a month after
>>getting the car I got gas at a Citgo station. with in minutes of pulling
>>out, the engine ceased up. Towed it in to a dealer and found out I had
> bad
>>gas. I had the state of Michigan come out and test the gas. 71% was
>>water,
>>about 8% was solid garbage, and the rest was gas. It took out all of the
>>fuel injectors and the fuel pump. It did about $1700.00 in damage.
>>
>> Citgo refused to take any responsibility for their product, and refused
>>to pay for the damage. They immediately told me that they were not
>>responsible
>>for their product after it left their refinery. Apparently that was their
>>standard response for anybody that called them about bad gas. It took
>>about
>>6 months to get it straitened out. The state of Michigan gave them a
>>choice,
>>pay for the damages or pay a $25,000.00 fine. The arab gas station owner
>>had to pay for the damage.
>>
>>My neighbor later told me that when that gas station would start running
>>out of gas he would see them put the garden hose down in to their tanks.
>> So I guess the owner deserved what he got. There were also many reports
>>on the news of people getting bad gas from Citgo stations all over town.
>>
>>Needless to say, I never buy gas at Citgo. What a PITA! If you want to
>>buy your gas from them that's up to you.
>>
>>When possible I will avoid buying Communist made products. And yes I am
>>aware of where some of my favorite products are made. I don't like it.
>>
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hugo Chavez is a hero. A man willing to sand up for his counry and not
> let
>>>a another country (USA) tell him how to run thier commodity.
>>>
>>>This is nothing more than tipical US spin machine out to sway puplic
>>>opinion
>>>about those leaders that don't drink the US Kool-Aid.. They (Venezuelans)
>>>don't need our aid. They have their own precious commodity.
>>>
>>>Wake up people, are we to believe every word coming from our Goverment??
>>>
>>>Thanks God for Citgo..
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>This was a email I received.
>>>>
>>>>Diane Sawyer on ABC news interviewed the Venezuelan leader Chavez just
>>last
>>>>week -- March 2007 He is so dangerous, and you can tell he is thrilled
>>to
>>>>be selling oil toAmerica and having a foot on the throat of this
>>>>country.
>>>>He is something else. If you did not hear the interview, the following
>>was
>>>>discussed and it is true. They have all this money coming in and the
>>>>majority
>>>>of his own people are living in poverty and he is so rich. He is best
> of
>>>>friends with Castro and Russian leaders. He told Diane Sawyer that he
> was
>>>>friends with all the world leaders, but President Bush is as dumb as a
>>'donkey'.
>>>>
>>>>CITGO CHANGING NAME...this is serious Americans...make sure you read ...
>>>>NEWS FLASH: Chavez is NOW getting a Russian Weapons Factory built by
>>>>Putin.
>>>>The RUSSIANS are building an AK-47 Kalashnikov Assault Rifle factory in
>>>Venezuela,
>>>>to give armament support to Communist Rebel groups throughout the
>>>>Americas.
>>>>
>>>>Chavez NOW has IRANIANS operating his oil refineries in Venezuela for
> him.
>>>>It is likely only a matter of time, if not already, before Chavez has
> Iranian
>>>>built LONG RANGE missiles, with a variety of warhead types aimed at:
>>>>Guess
>>>>Who?
>>>>
>>>>CITGO is NOW in the process of Changing Its Name to PETRO EXPRESS due
> to
>>>>the loss of gasoline sales in the USA due to the recent publicity of
>>>>ownership
>>>>by Chavez of Venezuela.
>>>>
>>>>Every dollar you spend with CITGO or PETRO EXPRESS gasoline will be used
>>>>against you, your basic human rights, and your freedoms. He will start
>>wars
>>>>here in the Americas that will probably be the death of millions of free
>>>>people.
>>>>
>>>>THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT because Chavez is starting to feel the loss of
> revenue
>>>>from his holdings. HE OWNS CITGO. This is a very important move that
>>>>everyone
>>>>should be aware of.
>>>>
>>>>ANNOUNCED JUST RECENTLY, CITGO, BEING AWARE THAT SALES ARE DOWN DUE TO
>>U.S.
>>>>CUSTOMERS NOT WANTING TO BUY FROM "CITGO-CHAVEZ", HAVE STARTED TO CHANGE
>>>>THE NAME OF SOME OF THEIR STORES TO: "PETRO EXPRESS"
>>>>DO NOT BUY FROM "PETRO EXPRESS" EITHER!!! "PETRO EXPRESS" IS ALSO 100%
>>OWNED
>>>>BY "CHAVEZ."
>>>>
>>>>KEEP THIS MEMO GOING SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>>>>
>>>>BOYCOTT "CITGO" AND "PETRO EXPRESS".............MAKE SURE THIS IS PASSED
>>>>ON TO EVERYONE in YOUR E-MAIL LIST IN THE UNITED STATES AND OUTSIDE OF
>>AMERICA.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: The world, oil, Citgo and Petro Express! [message #85471 is a reply to message #85353] |
Mon, 28 May 2007 08:07 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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DJ, I'm not that narrow minded. Just becasue he (Chavez) rags on Bush doe
snot make me admire him. Like Castro, and many rulers who won;t follow the
US foriegn policy and put their Country first is a leader I admire..
Back in the 60s the US govermen called the Black Panthers a terrosit organization,
it was not.. Then seeked to distroy them just beacause they wanted a better
america for all especialy African Americans..
It hard for most white americans to belive that their country can do no wrong.
It's just that most of us who are non white belive in the US goverment no
mateer whos is office..
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>Before you become enamoured with Somoza,
>
>sorry.......I meant Chavez.......
>
>
>and another thought........just because Chavez echoes your personal opinions
>about Bush, does not make him a "liberator". People like Chavez will say
>whatever they think you want to hear as long as it suits their
>agenda.....sorta like most American politicians.
>
>Deej
>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:46585f86@linux...
>> LaMont, my friend. I think you are misguided here. I respect your
>> opinions, but I wonder if you have ever been up close and personal with
a
>> totalitarian state......socialist or otherwise. I have seen it (Nicaragua
>> during and after Somoza). Before you become enamoured with Somoza, I
>> suggest you take some time off and go to Venezuela while you still can
>> travel without a *state tender* (if this is even still possible) and spend
>> about a month travelling around down there.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> DJ
>>
>>
>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:4657da5b$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Hugo Chavez is a hero. A man willing to sand up for his counry and not
>>> let
>>> a another country (USA) tell him how to run thier commodity.
>>>
>>> This is nothing more than tipical US spin machine out to sway puplic
>>> opinion
>>> about those leaders that don't drink the US Kool-Aid.. They (Venezuelans)
>>> don't need our aid. They have their own precious commodity.
>>>
>>> Wake up people, are we to believe every word coming from our Goverment??
>>>
>>> Thanks God for Citgo..
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>This was a email I received.
>>>>
>>>>Diane Sawyer on ABC news interviewed the Venezuelan leader Chavez just
>>>>last
>>>>week -- March 2007 He is so dangerous, and you can tell he is thrilled
to
>>>>be selling oil toAmerica and having a foot on the throat of this country.
>>>>He is something else. If you did not hear the interview, the following
>>>>was
>>>>discussed and it is true. They have all this money coming in and the
>>>>majority
>>>>of his own people are living in poverty and he is so rich. He is best
of
>>>>friends with Castro and Russian leaders. He told Diane Sawyer that he
was
>>>>friends with all the world leaders, but President Bush is as dumb as
a
>>>>'donkey'.
>>>>
>>>>CITGO CHANGING NAME...this is serious Americans...make sure you read
...
>>>>NEWS FLASH: Chavez is NOW getting a Russian Weapons Factory built by
>>>>Putin.
>>>>The RUSSIANS are building an AK-47 Kalashnikov Assault Rifle factory
in
>>> Venezuela,
>>>>to give armament support to Communist Rebel groups throughout the
>>>>Americas.
>>>>
>>>>Chavez NOW has IRANIANS operating his oil refineries in Venezuela for
>>>>him.
>>>>It is likely only a matter of time, if not already, before Chavez has
>>>>Iranian
>>>>built LONG RANGE missiles, with a variety of warhead types aimed at:
>>>>Guess
>>>>Who?
>>>>
>>>>CITGO is NOW in the process of Changing Its Name to PETRO EXPRESS due
to
>>>>the loss of gasoline sales in the USA due to the recent publicity of
>>>>ownership
>>>>by Chavez of Venezuela.
>>>>
>>>>Every dollar you spend with CITGO or PETRO EXPRESS gasoline will be used
>>>>against you, your basic human rights, and your freedoms. He will start
>>>>wars
>>>>here in the Americas that will probably be the death of millions of free
>>>>people.
>>>>
>>>>THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT because Chavez is starting to feel the loss of
>>>>revenue
>>>>from his holdings. HE OWNS CITGO. This is a very important move that
>>>>everyone
>>>>should be aware of.
>>>>
>>>>ANNOUNCED JUST RECENTLY, CITGO, BEING AWARE THAT SALES ARE DOWN DUE TO
>>>>U.S.
>>>>CUSTOMERS NOT WANTING TO BUY FROM "CITGO-CHAVEZ", HAVE STARTED TO CHANGE
>>>>THE NAME OF SOME OF THEIR STORES TO: "PETRO EXPRESS"
>>>>DO NOT BUY FROM "PETRO EXPRESS" EITHER!!! "PETRO EXPRESS" IS ALSO 100%
>>>>OWNED
>>>>BY "CHAVEZ."
>>>>
>>>>KEEP THIS MEMO GOING SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>>>>
>>>>BOYCOTT "CITGO" AND "PETRO EXPRESS".............MAKE SURE THIS IS PASSED
>>>>ON TO EVERYONE in YOUR E-MAIL LIST IN THE UNITED STATES AND OUTSIDE OF
>>>>AMERICA.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: The world, oil, Citgo and Petro Express! [message #85473 is a reply to message #85356] |
Mon, 28 May 2007 08:11 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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Amen Jamie..
Good post. Could not've said it better.
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>America's appetite for oil is our own problem and we can't blame it on
>other countries. We don't own their oil.
>
>The "foot on the throat" is really "feet on the throat" and the feet
>belong to OPEC and other oil producers aided by an oil industry that is
>more and more consolidated, monolithic and multi-national. But the
>responsibility for putting our throat under those feet is largely our own.
>
>In order to get these footprints off of our throat it's not enough to
>complain about the governments of other countries, whether they deserve
>criticism or not. We need to face up to our own responsibilities and do
>something about:
>
>A) Our own oil consumption.
>
>This is key. However you do it, consider using less petroleum. Drive a
>more efficient car. Drive less. Go biodiesel (from efficient sources).
>Go electric. Ride a bike. Take a bus/train. Walk.
>
>This will help make us less dependent on foreign oil, less manipulable
>by terrorist factions, less susceptible to market manipulations and
>better able to face the future when oil is harder to come by (oil is not
>an infinite resource, google "peak oil"). Reducing our consumption will
>also help relieve our shortage of refining capability, which, for a
>variety of reasons, we are bumping into pretty hard right now.
>
>Also significant, using less oil will help improve local air quality and
>pull back on greenhouse gas emissions.
>
>Win, win.
>
>B) Our own Federal Trade Commission.
>
>If you agree with the GAO that industry consolidation is hurting rather
>than helping the consumer at the pump, then something is wrong over at
>the FTC. The FTC is our consumer protection watchdog, they oversee and
>approves mergers and they enforce anti-trust legislation. Is the fox
>guarding the hen house?
>
>C) Our own government.
>
>We have problems using long term planning to avoid situations where our
>security is at risk from poor energy policy. This is a failure of
>leadership by both major parties.
>
>How do we get better leadership? Is it by electing politicians who
>represent multi-national industries? Or is it by electing politicians
>who represent their actual constituents?
>
>If you believe in the latter, i.e. "democracy," the election system is
>broken on several fronts.
>
>First, the increasing amount of money it takes to get elected means that
>most politicians butter their bread from high money sources, because
>that's the easy money. K street lobbyists are funneling vast sums of
>money to both parties in order to push special interest agendas. This
>results in politicians who are beholden to special interest groups for
>their jobs. Lobbyists themselves are helping to write new legislation
>and are even being appointed to government oversight positions.
>
>This will not be easy to reign in. Possible solutions include:
>
> -Using some amount of the public airwaves for elections without
>charge, to make running for office less costly and thus level the
>playing field for candidates who don't feed at the lobbyist trough;
>
> -Instant runoff voting so people can vote for their true favorite
>candidates without fear of throwing their vote away;
>
> -Full disclosure laws for groups doing political advertising
>(including those doing thinly veiled "issue advertising"), so everyone
>knows exactly which special interests are behind any disinformation
>campaign;
>
> -A responsible fourth estate that shines a bright light on ad
>campaigns, showing the funding sources, revealing their interests, and
>contrasting any claims with actual facts. We need to balance a special
>interest group's right to brazenly lie with the public's need to know
>the facts. :^)
>
> -Campaign finance reform. This is an interesting challenge: how to
>keep an election from being bought without infringing on "free speech."
>Free speech is in quotes because there is some controversy about whether
>restricting campaign donations is the same as restricting actual speech.
>
>Second, the election mechanism itself is suspect. A large percentage of
>the votes are compiled by computer-based systems that do not keep a
>physical record of the vote. There is no way of knowing if the
>electronic vote has been hacked, except that 1) we know electronic
>voting makes it possible to cheat quickly, undetectably and on a large
>scale, and 2) we have a clear history of various parties eagerly
>cheating in elections when possible. Draw your own conclusions.
>
>Even with systems that keep a physical, recountable record, it's
>important that the ballot of record be the physical representation and
>not the electronic representation. The physical representation should be
>counted for the first official tally as well as all recounts. It's
>exceedingly important that vote tallies are regularly audited using the
>physical ballots, with a sufficient percentage of precincts audited to
>be very sure that no cheating falls through the cracks.
>
>On the other side of the equation, no party should be allowed to
>manipulate the federal system to throw legitimate voters off the rolls
>or fail to count any legitimate ballot, provisional or direct. Nor
>should dead people vote.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>PS. James, you also raised another issue, that of the arms industry, in
>which we are a dominant player. I won't go into it here except to note
>that one of the objections you raise about Venezuela is that they are
>buying from a competitor.
>
>
>James McCloskey wrote:
>> This was a email I received.
>>
>> Diane Sawyer on ABC news interviewed the Venezuelan leader Chavez just
last
>> week -- March 2007 He is so dangerous, and you can tell he is thrilled
to
>> be selling oil toAmerica and having a foot on the throat of this country.
>> He is something else. If you did not hear the interview, the following
was
>> discussed and it is true. They have all this money coming in and the majority
>> of his own people are living in poverty and he is so rich. He is best
of
>> friends with Castro and Russian leaders. He told Diane Sawyer that he
was
>> friends with all the world leaders, but President Bush is as dumb as a
'donkey'.
>>
>> CITGO CHANGING NAME...this is serious Americans...make sure you read ...
>> NEWS FLASH: Chavez is NOW getting a Russian Weapons Factory built by Putin.
>> The RUSSIANS are building an AK-47 Kalashnikov Assault Rifle factory in
Venezuela,
>> to give armament support to Communist Rebel groups throughout the Americas.
>>
>> Chavez NOW has IRANIANS operating his oil refineries in Venezuela for
him.
>> It is likely only a matter of time, if not already, before Chavez has
Iranian
>> built LONG RANGE missiles, with a variety of warhead types aimed at: Guess
>> Who?
>>
>> CITGO is NOW in the process of Changing Its Name to PETRO EXPRESS due
to
>> the loss of gasoline sales in the USA due to the recent publicity of ownership
>> by Chavez of Venezuela.
>>
>> Every dollar you spend with CITGO or PETRO EXPRESS gasoline will be used
>> against you, your basic human rights, and your freedoms. He will start
wars
>> here in the Americas that will probably be the death of millions of free
>> people.
>>
>> THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT because Chavez is starting to feel the loss of
revenue
>> from his holdings. HE OWNS CITGO. This is a very important move that everyone
>> should be aware of.
>>
>> ANNOUNCED JUST RECENTLY, CITGO, BEING AWARE THAT SALES ARE DOWN DUE TO
U.S.
>> CUSTOMERS NOT WANTING TO BUY FROM "CITGO-CHAVEZ", HAVE STARTED TO CHANGE
>> THE NAME OF SOME OF THEIR STORES TO: "PETRO EXPRESS"
>> DO NOT BUY FROM "PETRO EXPRESS" EITHER!!! "PETRO EXPRESS" IS ALSO 100%
OWNED
>> BY "CHAVEZ."
>>
>> KEEP THIS MEMO GOING SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>>
>> BOYCOTT "CITGO" AND "PETRO EXPRESS".............MAKE SURE THIS IS PASSED
>> ON TO EVERYONE in YOUR E-MAIL LIST IN THE UNITED STATES AND OUTSIDE OF
AMERICA.
>>
>>
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| Re: The world, oil, Citgo and Petro Express! [message #85474 is a reply to message #85470] |
Mon, 28 May 2007 08:13 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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|
Are we not moving in that same direction here in the good O'S USA? Especially
when comes to reporting the IRAQ and Afghan war??
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>But, just because a country
>is communist, does that mean they are evil??<
>
>Yes. they are currently putting the nail in the coffin of the free press
>there by shutting down the only TV station that broadcasts anything other
>than the party line.
>
>
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:465aed1e$1@linux...
>>
>> same with tme. I had a 88 Izuzu I mark and filled it with some citgo
>> gas/water
>> and it killed my catalytic converter..
>>
>> It took a long time for me to buy Citgo gas . But, just because a country
>> is communist, does that mean they are evil??
>> Come on man. Take off the USA blinders..
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>By the way, In 1995 I purchased a brand new Firebird. About a month after
>>>getting the car I got gas at a Citgo station. with in minutes of pulling
>>>out, the engine ceased up. Towed it in to a dealer and found out I had
>> bad
>>>gas. I had the state of Michigan come out and test the gas. 71% was
>>>water,
>>>about 8% was solid garbage, and the rest was gas. It took out all of
the
>>>fuel injectors and the fuel pump. It did about $1700.00 in damage.
>>>
>>> Citgo refused to take any responsibility for their product, and refused
>>>to pay for the damage. They immediately told me that they were not
>>>responsible
>>>for their product after it left their refinery. Apparently that was their
>>>standard response for anybody that called them about bad gas. It took
>>>about
>>>6 months to get it straitened out. The state of Michigan gave them a
>>>choice,
>>>pay for the damages or pay a $25,000.00 fine. The arab gas station owner
>>>had to pay for the damage.
>>>
>>>My neighbor later told me that when that gas station would start running
>>>out of gas he would see them put the garden hose down in to their tanks.
>>> So I guess the owner deserved what he got. There were also many reports
>>>on the news of people getting bad gas from Citgo stations all over town.
>>>
>>>Needless to say, I never buy gas at Citgo. What a PITA! If you want
to
>>>buy your gas from them that's up to you.
>>>
>>>When possible I will avoid buying Communist made products. And yes I
am
>>>aware of where some of my favorite products are made. I don't like it.
>>>
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hugo Chavez is a hero. A man willing to sand up for his counry and not
>> let
>>>>a another country (USA) tell him how to run thier commodity.
>>>>
>>>>This is nothing more than tipical US spin machine out to sway puplic
>>>>opinion
>>>>about those leaders that don't drink the US Kool-Aid.. They (Venezuelans)
>>>>don't need our aid. They have their own precious commodity.
>>>>
>>>>Wake up people, are we to believe every word coming from our Goverment??
>>>>
>>>>Thanks God for Citgo..
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>This was a email I received.
>>>>>
>>>>>Diane Sawyer on ABC news interviewed the Venezuelan leader Chavez just
>>>last
>>>>>week -- March 2007 He is so dangerous, and you can tell he is thrilled
>>>to
>>>>>be selling oil toAmerica and having a foot on the throat of this
>>>>>country.
>>>>>He is something else. If you did not hear the interview, the following
>>>was
>>>>>discussed and it is true. They have all this money coming in and the
>>>>>majority
>>>>>of his own people are living in poverty and he is so rich. He is best
>> of
>>>>>friends with Castro and Russian leaders. He told Diane Sawyer that he
>> was
>>>>>friends with all the world leaders, but President Bush is as dumb as
a
>>>'donkey'.
>>>>>
>>>>>CITGO CHANGING NAME...this is serious Americans...make sure you read
...
>>>>>NEWS FLASH: Chavez is NOW getting a Russian Weapons Factory built by
>>>>>Putin.
>>>>>The RUSSIANS are building an AK-47 Kalashnikov Assault Rifle factory
in
>>>>Venezuela,
>>>>>to give armament support to Communist Rebel groups throughout the
>>>>>Americas.
>>>>>
>>>>>Chavez NOW has IRANIANS operating his oil refineries in Venezuela for
>> him.
>>>>>It is likely only a matter of time, if not already, before Chavez has
>> Iranian
>>>>>built LONG RANGE missiles, with a variety of warhead types aimed at:
>>>>>Guess
>>>>>Who?
>>>>>
>>>>>CITGO is NOW in the process of Changing Its Name to PETRO EXPRESS due
>> to
>>>>>the loss of gasoline sales in the USA due to the recent publicity of
>>>>>ownership
>>>>>by Chavez of Venezuela.
>>>>>
>>>>>Every dollar you spend with CITGO or PETRO EXPRESS gasoline will be
used
>>>>>against you, your basic human rights, and your freedoms. He will start
>>>wars
>>>>>here in the Americas that will probably be the death of millions of
free
>>>>>people.
>>>>>
>>>>>THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT because Chavez is starting to feel the loss of
>> revenue
>>>>>from his holdings. HE OWNS CITGO. This is a very important move that
>>>>>everyone
>>>>>should be aware of.
>>>>>
>>>>>ANNOUNCED JUST RECENTLY, CITGO, BEING AWARE THAT SALES ARE DOWN DUE
TO
>>>U.S.
>>>>>CUSTOMERS NOT WANTING TO BUY FROM "CITGO-CHAVEZ", HAVE STARTED TO CHANGE
>>>>>THE NAME OF SOME OF THEIR STORES TO: "PETRO EXPRESS"
>>>>>DO NOT BUY FROM "PETRO EXPRESS" EITHER!!! "PETRO EXPRESS" IS ALSO 100%
>>>OWNED
>>>>>BY "CHAVEZ."
>>>>>
>>>>>KEEP THIS MEMO GOING SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>>>>>
>>>>>BOYCOTT "CITGO" AND "PETRO EXPRESS".............MAKE SURE THIS IS PASSED
>>>>>ON TO EVERYONE in YOUR E-MAIL LIST IN THE UNITED STATES AND OUTSIDE
OF
>>>AMERICA.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: The world, oil, Citgo and Petro Express! [message #85475 is a reply to message #85356] |
Mon, 28 May 2007 08:17 |
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PS. James, you also raised another issue, that of the arms industry, in which
we are a dominant player. I won't go into it here except to note that one
of the objections you raise about Venezuela is that they are buying from
a competitor.
Gothcha James!!:) Since they di not purchase from us, they are the ememy.LOL!!
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>America's appetite for oil is our own problem and we can't blame it on
>other countries. We don't own their oil.
>
>The "foot on the throat" is really "feet on the throat" and the feet
>belong to OPEC and other oil producers aided by an oil industry that is
>more and more consolidated, monolithic and multi-national. But the
>responsibility for putting our throat under those feet is largely our own.
>
>In order to get these footprints off of our throat it's not enough to
>complain about the governments of other countries, whether they deserve
>criticism or not. We need to face up to our own responsibilities and do
>something about:
>
>A) Our own oil consumption.
>
>This is key. However you do it, consider using less petroleum. Drive a
>more efficient car. Drive less. Go biodiesel (from efficient sources).
>Go electric. Ride a bike. Take a bus/train. Walk.
>
>This will help make us less dependent on foreign oil, less manipulable
>by terrorist factions, less susceptible to market manipulations and
>better able to face the future when oil is harder to come by (oil is not
>an infinite resource, google "peak oil"). Reducing our consumption will
>also help relieve our shortage of refining capability, which, for a
>variety of reasons, we are bumping into pretty hard right now.
>
>Also significant, using less oil will help improve local air quality and
>pull back on greenhouse gas emissions.
>
>Win, win.
>
>B) Our own Federal Trade Commission.
>
>If you agree with the GAO that industry consolidation is hurting rather
>than helping the consumer at the pump, then something is wrong over at
>the FTC. The FTC is our consumer protection watchdog, they oversee and
>approves mergers and they enforce anti-trust legislation. Is the fox
>guarding the hen house?
>
>C) Our own government.
>
>We have problems using long term planning to avoid situations where our
>security is at risk from poor energy policy. This is a failure of
>leadership by both major parties.
>
>How do we get better leadership? Is it by electing politicians who
>represent multi-national industries? Or is it by electing politicians
>who represent their actual constituents?
>
>If you believe in the latter, i.e. "democracy," the election system is
>broken on several fronts.
>
>First, the increasing amount of money it takes to get elected means that
>most politicians butter their bread from high money sources, because
>that's the easy money. K street lobbyists are funneling vast sums of
>money to both parties in order to push special interest agendas. This
>results in politicians who are beholden to special interest groups for
>their jobs. Lobbyists themselves are helping to write new legislation
>and are even being appointed to government oversight positions.
>
>This will not be easy to reign in. Possible solutions include:
>
> -Using some amount of the public airwaves for elections without
>charge, to make running for office less costly and thus level the
>playing field for candidates who don't feed at the lobbyist trough;
>
> -Instant runoff voting so people can vote for their true favorite
>candidates without fear of throwing their vote away;
>
> -Full disclosure laws for groups doing political advertising
>(including those doing thinly veiled "issue advertising"), so everyone
>knows exactly which special interests are behind any disinformation
>campaign;
>
> -A responsible fourth estate that shines a bright light on ad
>campaigns, showing the funding sources, revealing their interests, and
>contrasting any claims with actual facts. We need to balance a special
>interest group's right to brazenly lie with the public's need to know
>the facts. :^)
>
> -Campaign finance reform. This is an interesting challenge: how to
>keep an election from being bought without infringing on "free speech."
>Free speech is in quotes because there is some controversy about whether
>restricting campaign donations is the same as restricting actual speech.
>
>Second, the election mechanism itself is suspect. A large percentage of
>the votes are compiled by computer-based systems that do not keep a
>physical record of the vote. There is no way of knowing if the
>electronic vote has been hacked, except that 1) we know electronic
>voting makes it possible to cheat quickly, undetectably and on a large
>scale, and 2) we have a clear history of various parties eagerly
>cheating in elections when possible. Draw your own conclusions.
>
>Even with systems that keep a physical, recountable record, it's
>important that the ballot of record be the physical representation and
>not the electronic representation. The physical representation should be
>counted for the first official tally as well as all recounts. It's
>exceedingly important that vote tallies are regularly audited using the
>physical ballots, with a sufficient percentage of precincts audited to
>be very sure that no cheating falls through the cracks.
>
>On the other side of the equation, no party should be allowed to
>manipulate the federal system to throw legitimate voters off the rolls
>or fail to count any legitimate ballot, provisional or direct. Nor
>should dead people vote.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>PS. James, you also raised another issue, that of the arms industry, in
>which we are a dominant player. I won't go into it here except to note
>that one of the objections you raise about Venezuela is that they are
>buying from a competitor.
>
>
>James McCloskey wrote:
>> This was a email I received.
>>
>> Diane Sawyer on ABC news interviewed the Venezuelan leader Chavez just
last
>> week -- March 2007 He is so dangerous, and you can tell he is thrilled
to
>> be selling oil toAmerica and having a foot on the throat of this country.
>> He is something else. If you did not hear the interview, the following
was
>> discussed and it is true. They have all this money coming in and the majority
>> of his own people are living in poverty and he is so rich. He is best
of
>> friends with Castro and Russian leaders. He told Diane Sawyer that he
was
>> friends with all the world leaders, but President Bush is as dumb as a
'donkey'.
>>
>> CITGO CHANGING NAME...this is serious Americans...make sure you read ...
>> NEWS FLASH: Chavez is NOW getting a Russian Weapons Factory built by Putin.
>> The RUSSIANS are building an AK-47 Kalashnikov Assault Rifle factory in
Venezuela,
>> to give armament support to Communist Rebel groups throughout the Americas.
>>
>> Chavez NOW has IRANIANS operating his oil refineries in Venezuela for
him.
>> It is likely only a matter of time, if not already, before Chavez has
Iranian
>> built LONG RANGE missiles, with a variety of warhead types aimed at: Guess
>> Who?
>>
>> CITGO is NOW in the process of Changing Its Name to PETRO EXPRESS due
to
>> the loss of gasoline sales in the USA due to the recent publicity of ownership
>> by Chavez of Venezuela.
>>
>> Every dollar you spend with CITGO or PETRO EXPRESS gasoline will be used
>> against you, your basic human rights, and your freedoms. He will start
wars
>> here in the Americas that will probably be the death of millions of free
>> people.
>>
>> THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT because Chavez is starting to feel the loss of
revenue
>> from his holdings. HE OWNS CITGO. This is a very important move that everyone
>> should be aware of.
>>
>> ANNOUNCED JUST RECENTLY, CITGO, BEING AWARE THAT SALES ARE DOWN DUE TO
U.S.
>> CUSTOMERS NOT WANTING TO BUY FROM "CITGO-CHAVEZ", HAVE STARTED TO CHANGE
>> THE NAME OF SOME OF THEIR STORES TO: "PETRO EXPRESS"
>> DO NOT BUY FROM "PETRO EXPRESS" EITHER!!! "PETRO EXPRESS" IS ALSO 100%
OWNED
>> BY "CHAVEZ."
>>
>> KEEP THIS MEMO GOING SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>>
>> BOYCOTT "CITGO" AND "PETRO EXPRESS".............MAKE SURE THIS IS PASSED
>> ON TO EVERYONE in YOUR E-MAIL LIST IN THE UNITED STATES AND OUTSIDE OF
AMERICA.
>>
>>
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| Re: The world, oil, Citgo and Petro Express! [message #85476 is a reply to message #85474] |
Mon, 28 May 2007 08:14 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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Senior Member |
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No I don't think so at all. the NY Times has published some stuff here (in
time of war) for which Castro (or Chavez, since he is Fidel's running dog
lackey) would have had the editor executed by firing squad.
Personally, I would have just had the editor prosecuted for treason and then
thrown into a pit full of man eating pigs.
;o)
..
"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:465af18e$1@linux...
>
> Are we not moving in that same direction here in the good O'S USA?
> Especially
> when comes to reporting the IRAQ and Afghan war??
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>But, just because a country
>>is communist, does that mean they are evil??<
>>
>>Yes. they are currently putting the nail in the coffin of the free press
>
>>there by shutting down the only TV station that broadcasts anything other
>
>>than the party line.
>>
>>
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:465aed1e$1@linux...
>>>
>>> same with tme. I had a 88 Izuzu I mark and filled it with some citgo
>>> gas/water
>>> and it killed my catalytic converter..
>>>
>>> It took a long time for me to buy Citgo gas . But, just because a
>>> country
>>> is communist, does that mean they are evil??
>>> Come on man. Take off the USA blinders..
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>By the way, In 1995 I purchased a brand new Firebird. About a month
>>>>after
>>>>getting the car I got gas at a Citgo station. with in minutes of
>>>>pulling
>>>>out, the engine ceased up. Towed it in to a dealer and found out I had
>>> bad
>>>>gas. I had the state of Michigan come out and test the gas. 71% was
>
>>>>water,
>>>>about 8% was solid garbage, and the rest was gas. It took out all of
> the
>>>>fuel injectors and the fuel pump. It did about $1700.00 in damage.
>>>>
>>>> Citgo refused to take any responsibility for their product, and refused
>>>>to pay for the damage. They immediately told me that they were not
>>>>responsible
>>>>for their product after it left their refinery. Apparently that was
>>>>their
>>>>standard response for anybody that called them about bad gas. It took
>
>>>>about
>>>>6 months to get it straitened out. The state of Michigan gave them a
>
>>>>choice,
>>>>pay for the damages or pay a $25,000.00 fine. The arab gas station
>>>>owner
>>>>had to pay for the damage.
>>>>
>>>>My neighbor later told me that when that gas station would start running
>>>>out of gas he would see them put the garden hose down in to their tanks.
>>>> So I guess the owner deserved what he got. There were also many
>>>> reports
>>>>on the news of people getting bad gas from Citgo stations all over town.
>>>>
>>>>Needless to say, I never buy gas at Citgo. What a PITA! If you want
> to
>>>>buy your gas from them that's up to you.
>>>>
>>>>When possible I will avoid buying Communist made products. And yes I
> am
>>>>aware of where some of my favorite products are made. I don't like it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hugo Chavez is a hero. A man willing to sand up for his counry and not
>>> let
>>>>>a another country (USA) tell him how to run thier commodity.
>>>>>
>>>>>This is nothing more than tipical US spin machine out to sway puplic
>
>>>>>opinion
>>>>>about those leaders that don't drink the US Kool-Aid.. They
>>>>>(Venezuelans)
>>>>>don't need our aid. They have their own precious commodity.
>>>>>
>>>>>Wake up people, are we to believe every word coming from our
>>>>>Goverment??
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks God for Citgo..
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This was a email I received.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Diane Sawyer on ABC news interviewed the Venezuelan leader Chavez just
>>>>last
>>>>>>week -- March 2007 He is so dangerous, and you can tell he is thrilled
>>>>to
>>>>>>be selling oil toAmerica and having a foot on the throat of this
>>>>>>country.
>>>>>>He is something else. If you did not hear the interview, the following
>>>>was
>>>>>>discussed and it is true. They have all this money coming in and the
>
>>>>>>majority
>>>>>>of his own people are living in poverty and he is so rich. He is best
>>> of
>>>>>>friends with Castro and Russian leaders. He told Diane Sawyer that he
>>> was
>>>>>>friends with all the world leaders, but President Bush is as dumb as
> a
>>>>'donkey'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>CITGO CHANGING NAME...this is serious Americans...make sure you read
> ..
>>>>>>NEWS FLASH: Chavez is NOW getting a Russian Weapons Factory built by
>
>>>>>>Putin.
>>>>>>The RUSSIANS are building an AK-47 Kalashnikov Assault Rifle factory
> in
>>>>>Venezuela,
>>>>>>to give armament support to Communist Rebel groups throughout the
>>>>>>Americas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Chavez NOW has IRANIANS operating his oil refineries in Venezuela for
>>> him.
>>>>>>It is likely only a matter of time, if not already, before Chavez has
>>> Iranian
>>>>>>built LONG RANGE missiles, with a variety of warhead types aimed at:
>
>>>>>>Guess
>>>>>>Who?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>CITGO is NOW in the process of Changing Its Name to PETRO EXPRESS due
>>> to
>>>>>>the loss of gasoline sales in the USA due to the recent publicity of
>
>>>>>>ownership
>>>>>>by Chavez of Venezuela.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Every dollar you spend with CITGO or PETRO EXPRESS gasoline will be
> used
>>>>>>against you, your basic human rights, and your freedoms. He will start
>>>>wars
>>>>>>here in the Americas that will probably be the death of millions of
> free
>>>>>>people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT because Chavez is starting to feel the loss of
>>> revenue
>>>>>>from his holdings. HE OWNS CITGO. This is a very important move that
>
>>>>>>everyone
>>>>>>should be aware of.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>ANNOUNCED JUST RECENTLY, CITGO, BEING AWARE THAT SALES ARE DOWN DUE
> TO
>>>>U.S.
>>>>>>CUSTOMERS NOT WANTING TO BUY FROM "CITGO-CHAVEZ", HAVE STARTED TO
>>>>>>CHANGE
>>>>>>THE NAME OF SOME OF THEIR STORES TO: "PETRO EXPRESS"
>>>>>>DO NOT BUY FROM "PETRO EXPRESS" EITHER!!! "PETRO EXPRESS" IS ALSO 100%
>>>>OWNED
>>>>>>BY "CHAVEZ."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>KEEP THIS MEMO GOING SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>BOYCOTT "CITGO" AND "PETRO EXPRESS".............MAKE SURE THIS IS
>>>>>>PASSED
>>>>>>ON TO EVERYONE in YOUR E-MAIL LIST IN THE UNITED STATES AND OUTSIDE
> OF
>>>>AMERICA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: The world, oil, Citgo and Petro Express! [message #85477 is a reply to message #85469] |
Mon, 28 May 2007 08:25 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Senior Member |
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What's wrong wit Communism? I thought you were a Christian? Well anyways,
try freedom!!! When you rule your people with military force and take their
freedoms away It's not a good thing. They will kill anybody that does not
want to go along. He will stay rich while the people live in poverty, that's
the Communist way. He is just another communist dictator. He want's to
arm Communist rebels all over south america. That's not good for anybody,
especially America. That will cause conflicts that a lot of people will
die in, possibly americans. The USA will not just stand by and watch south
america fall to communism.
LaMont, I guess you are showing your true anti American colors. Or are you
just bating? Please clarify.
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>same with tme. I had a 88 Izuzu I mark and filled it with some citgo gas/water
>and it killed my catalytic converter..
>
>It took a long time for me to buy Citgo gas . But, just because a country
>is communist, does that mean they are evil??
>Come on man. Take off the USA blinders..
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>By the way, In 1995 I purchased a brand new Firebird. About a month after
>>getting the car I got gas at a Citgo station. with in minutes of pulling
>>out, the engine ceased up. Towed it in to a dealer and found out I had
>bad
>>gas. I had the state of Michigan come out and test the gas. 71% was water,
>>about 8% was solid garbage, and the rest was gas. It took out all of the
>>fuel injectors and the fuel pump. It did about $1700.00 in damage.
>>
>> Citgo refused to take any responsibility for their product, and refused
>>to pay for the damage. They immediately told me that they were not responsible
>>for their product after it left their refinery. Apparently that was their
>>standard response for anybody that called them about bad gas. It took
about
>>6 months to get it straitened out. The state of Michigan gave them a choice,
>>pay for the damages or pay a $25,000.00 fine. The arab gas station owner
>>had to pay for the damage.
>>
>>My neighbor later told me that when that gas station would start running
>>out of gas he would see them put the garden hose down in to their tanks.
>> So I guess the owner deserved what he got. There were also many reports
>>on the news of people getting bad gas from Citgo stations all over town.
>>
>>Needless to say, I never buy gas at Citgo. What a PITA! If you want to
>>buy your gas from them that's up to you.
>>
>>When possible I will avoid buying Communist made products. And yes I am
>>aware of where some of my favorite products are made. I don't like it.
>>
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hugo Chavez is a hero. A man willing to sand up for his counry and not
>let
>>>a another country (USA) tell him how to run thier commodity.
>>>
>>>This is nothing more than tipical US spin machine out to sway puplic opinion
>>>about those leaders that don't drink the US Kool-Aid.. They (Venezuelans)
>>>don't need our aid. They have their own precious commodity.
>>>
>>>Wake up people, are we to believe every word coming from our Goverment??
>>>
>>>Thanks God for Citgo..
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>This was a email I received.
>>>>
>>>>Diane Sawyer on ABC news interviewed the Venezuelan leader Chavez just
>>last
>>>>week -- March 2007 He is so dangerous, and you can tell he is thrilled
>>to
>>>>be selling oil toAmerica and having a foot on the throat of this country.
>>>>He is something else. If you did not hear the interview, the following
>>was
>>>>discussed and it is true. They have all this money coming in and the
majority
>>>>of his own people are living in poverty and he is so rich. He is best
>of
>>>>friends with Castro and Russian leaders. He told Diane Sawyer that he
>was
>>>>friends with all the world leaders, but President Bush is as dumb as
a
>>'donkey'.
>>>>
>>>>CITGO CHANGING NAME...this is serious Americans...make sure you read
...
>>>>NEWS FLASH: Chavez is NOW getting a Russian Weapons Factory built by
Putin.
>>>>The RUSSIANS are building an AK-47 Kalashnikov Assault Rifle factory
in
>>>Venezuela,
>>>>to give armament support to Communist Rebel groups throughout the Americas.
>>>>
>>>>Chavez NOW has IRANIANS operating his oil refineries in Venezuela for
>him.
>>>>It is likely only a matter of time, if not already, before Chavez has
>Iranian
>>>>built LONG RANGE missiles, with a variety of warhead types aimed at:
Guess
>>>>Who?
>>>>
>>>>CITGO is NOW in the process of Changing Its Name to PETRO EXPRESS due
>to
>>>>the loss of gasoline sales in the USA due to the recent publicity of
ownership
>>>>by Chavez of Venezuela.
>>>>
>>>>Every dollar you spend with CITGO or PETRO EXPRESS gasoline will be used
>>>>against you, your basic human rights, and your freedoms. He will start
>>wars
>>>>here in the Americas that will probably be the death of millions of free
>>>>people.
>>>>
>>>>THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT because Chavez is starting to feel the loss of
>revenue
>>>>from his holdings. HE OWNS CITGO. This is a very important move that
everyone
>>>>should be aware of.
>>>>
>>>>ANNOUNCED JUST RECENTLY, CITGO, BEING AWARE THAT SALES ARE DOWN DUE TO
>>U.S.
>>>>CUSTOMERS NOT WANTING TO BUY FROM "CITGO-CHAVEZ", HAVE STARTED TO CHANGE
>>>>THE NAME OF SOME OF THEIR STORES TO: "PETRO EXPRESS"
>>>>DO NOT BUY FROM "PETRO EXPRESS" EITHER!!! "PETRO EXPRESS" IS ALSO 100%
>>OWNED
>>>>BY "CHAVEZ."
>>>>
>>>>KEEP THIS MEMO GOING SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>>>>
>>>>BOYCOTT "CITGO" AND "PETRO EXPRESS".............MAKE SURE THIS IS PASSED
>>>>ON TO EVERYONE in YOUR E-MAIL LIST IN THE UNITED STATES AND OUTSIDE OF
>>AMERICA.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: The world, oil, Citgo and Petro Express! [message #85478 is a reply to message #85473] |
Mon, 28 May 2007 08:26 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Senior Member |
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From what? Ok, some body might break in and steal his oil; ) Look at his
intent! He wants to point them at US!!! Was it Ok for Castro to have missiles
pointing at us?
"LaMont " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Amen Jamie..
>Good post. Could not've said it better.
>
>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>
>>America's appetite for oil is our own problem and we can't blame it on
>>other countries. We don't own their oil.
>>
>>The "foot on the throat" is really "feet on the throat" and the feet
>>belong to OPEC and other oil producers aided by an oil industry that is
>
>>more and more consolidated, monolithic and multi-national. But the
>>responsibility for putting our throat under those feet is largely our own.
>>
>>In order to get these footprints off of our throat it's not enough to
>>complain about the governments of other countries, whether they deserve
>
>>criticism or not. We need to face up to our own responsibilities and do
>
>>something about:
>>
>>A) Our own oil consumption.
>>
>>This is key. However you do it, consider using less petroleum. Drive a
>>more efficient car. Drive less. Go biodiesel (from efficient sources).
>>Go electric. Ride a bike. Take a bus/train. Walk.
>>
>>This will help make us less dependent on foreign oil, less manipulable
>>by terrorist factions, less susceptible to market manipulations and
>>better able to face the future when oil is harder to come by (oil is not
>
>>an infinite resource, google "peak oil"). Reducing our consumption will
>
>>also help relieve our shortage of refining capability, which, for a
>>variety of reasons, we are bumping into pretty hard right now.
>>
>>Also significant, using less oil will help improve local air quality and
>
>>pull back on greenhouse gas emissions.
>>
>>Win, win.
>>
>>B) Our own Federal Trade Commission.
>>
>>If you agree with the GAO that industry consolidation is hurting rather
>
>>than helping the consumer at the pump, then something is wrong over at
>>the FTC. The FTC is our consumer protection watchdog, they oversee and
>>approves mergers and they enforce anti-trust legislation. Is the fox
>>guarding the hen house?
>>
>>C) Our own government.
>>
>>We have problems using long term planning to avoid situations where our
>
>>security is at risk from poor energy policy. This is a failure of
>>leadership by both major parties.
>>
>>How do we get better leadership? Is it by electing politicians who
>>represent multi-national industries? Or is it by electing politicians
>>who represent their actual constituents?
>>
>>If you believe in the latter, i.e. "democracy," the election system is
>>broken on several fronts.
>>
>>First, the increasing amount of money it takes to get elected means that
>
>>most politicians butter their bread from high money sources, because
>>that's the easy money. K street lobbyists are funneling vast sums of
>>money to both parties in order to push special interest agendas. This
>>results in politicians who are beholden to special interest groups for
>>their jobs. Lobbyists themselves are helping to write new legislation
>>and are even being appointed to government oversight positions.
>>
>>This will not be easy to reign in. Possible solutions include:
>>
>> -Using some amount of the public airwaves for elections without
>>charge, to make running for office less costly and thus level the
>>playing field for candidates who don't feed at the lobbyist trough;
>>
>> -Instant runoff voting so people can vote for their true favorite
>>candidates without fear of throwing their vote away;
>>
>> -Full disclosure laws for groups doing political advertising
>>(including those doing thinly veiled "issue advertising"), so everyone
>>knows exactly which special interests are behind any disinformation
>>campaign;
>>
>> -A responsible fourth estate that shines a bright light on ad
>>campaigns, showing the funding sources, revealing their interests, and
>>contrasting any claims with actual facts. We need to balance a special
>>interest group's right to brazenly lie with the public's need to know
>>the facts. :^)
>>
>> -Campaign finance reform. This is an interesting challenge: how to
>>keep an election from being bought without infringing on "free speech."
>
>>Free speech is in quotes because there is some controversy about whether
>
>>restricting campaign donations is the same as restricting actual speech.
>>
>>Second, the election mechanism itself is suspect. A large percentage of
>
>>the votes are compiled by computer-based systems that do not keep a
>>physical record of the vote. There is no way of knowing if the
>>electronic vote has been hacked, except that 1) we know electronic
>>voting makes it possible to cheat quickly, undetectably and on a large
>>scale, and 2) we have a clear history of various parties eagerly
>>cheating in elections when possible. Draw your own conclusions.
>>
>>Even with systems that keep a physical, recountable record, it's
>>important that the ballot of record be the physical representation and
>>not the electronic representation. The physical representation should be
>
>>counted for the first official tally as well as all recounts. It's
>>exceedingly important that vote tallies are regularly audited using the
>
>>physical ballots, with a sufficient percentage of precincts audited to
>>be very sure that no cheating falls through the cracks.
>>
>>On the other side of the equation, no party should be allowed to
>>manipulate the federal system to throw legitimate voters off the rolls
>>or fail to count any legitimate ballot, provisional or direct. Nor
>>should dead people vote.
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>PS. James, you also raised another issue, that of the arms industry, in
>
>>which we are a dominant player. I won't go into it here except to note
>>that one of the objections you raise about Venezuela is that they are
>>buying from a competitor.
>>
>>
>>James McCloskey wrote:
>>> This was a email I received.
>>>
>>> Diane Sawyer on ABC news interviewed the Venezuelan leader Chavez just
>last
>>> week -- March 2007 He is so dangerous, and you can tell he is thrilled
>to
>>> be selling oil toAmerica and having a foot on the throat of this country.
>>> He is something else. If you did not hear the interview, the following
>was
>>> discussed and it is true. They have all this money coming in and the
majority
>>> of his own people are living in poverty and he is so rich. He is best
>of
>>> friends with Castro and Russian leaders. He told Diane Sawyer that he
>was
>>> friends with all the world leaders, but President Bush is as dumb as
a
>'donkey'.
>>>
>>> CITGO CHANGING NAME...this is serious Americans...make sure you read
...
>>> NEWS FLASH: Chavez is NOW getting a Russian Weapons Factory built by
Putin.
>>> The RUSSIANS are building an AK-47 Kalashnikov Assault Rifle factory
in
>Venezuela,
>>> to give armament support to Communist Rebel groups throughout the Americas.
>>>
>>> Chavez NOW has IRANIANS operating his oil refineries in Venezuela for
>him.
>>> It is likely only a matter of time, if not already, before Chavez has
>Iranian
>>> built LONG RANGE missiles, with a variety of warhead types aimed at:
Guess
>>> Who?
>>>
>>> CITGO is NOW in the process of Changing Its Name to PETRO EXPRESS due
>to
>>> the loss of gasoline sales in the USA due to the recent publicity of
ownership
>>> by Chavez of Venezuela.
>>>
>>> Every dollar you spend with CITGO or PETRO EXPRESS gasoline will be used
>>> against you, your basic human rights, and your freedoms. He will start
>wars
>>> here in the Americas that will probably be the death of millions of free
>>> people.
>>>
>>> THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT because Chavez is starting to feel the loss of
>revenue
>>> from his holdings. HE OWNS CITGO. This is a very important move that
everyone
>>> should be aware of.
>>>
>>> ANNOUNCED JUST RECENTLY, CITGO, BEING AWARE THAT SALES ARE DOWN DUE TO
>U.S.
>>> CUSTOMERS NOT WANTING TO BUY FROM "CITGO-CHAVEZ", HAVE STARTED TO CHANGE
>>> THE NAME OF SOME OF THEIR STORES TO: "PETRO EXPRESS"
>>> DO NOT BUY FROM "PETRO EXPRESS" EITHER!!! "PETRO EXPRESS" IS ALSO 100%
>OWNED
>>> BY "CHAVEZ."
>>>
>>> KEEP THIS MEMO GOING SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>>>
>>> BOYCOTT "CITGO" AND "PETRO EXPRESS".............MAKE SURE THIS IS PASSED
>>> ON TO EVERYONE in YOUR E-MAIL LIST IN THE UNITED STATES AND OUTSIDE OF
>AMERICA.
>>>
>>>
>
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| Re: The world, oil, Citgo and Petro Express! [message #85479 is a reply to message #85475] |
Mon, 28 May 2007 08:28 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Senior Member |
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Look at their intent and ask your self why. Look at what he is doing.
"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>PS. James, you also raised another issue, that of the arms industry, in
which
>we are a dominant player. I won't go into it here except to note that one
>of the objections you raise about Venezuela is that they are buying from
>a competitor.
>
>Gothcha James!!:) Since they di not purchase from us, they are the ememy.LOL!!
>
>
>
>
>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>
>>America's appetite for oil is our own problem and we can't blame it on
>>other countries. We don't own their oil.
>>
>>The "foot on the throat" is really "feet on the throat" and the feet
>>belong to OPEC and other oil producers aided by an oil industry that is
>
>>more and more consolidated, monolithic and multi-national. But the
>>responsibility for putting our throat under those feet is largely our own.
>>
>>In order to get these footprints off of our throat it's not enough to
>>complain about the governments of other countries, whether they deserve
>
>>criticism or not. We need to face up to our own responsibilities and do
>
>>something about:
>>
>>A) Our own oil consumption.
>>
>>This is key. However you do it, consider using less petroleum. Drive a
>>more efficient car. Drive less. Go biodiesel (from efficient sources).
>>Go electric. Ride a bike. Take a bus/train. Walk.
>>
>>This will help make us less dependent on foreign oil, less manipulable
>>by terrorist factions, less susceptible to market manipulations and
>>better able to face the future when oil is harder to come by (oil is not
>
>>an infinite resource, google "peak oil"). Reducing our consumption will
>
>>also help relieve our shortage of refining capability, which, for a
>>variety of reasons, we are bumping into pretty hard right now.
>>
>>Also significant, using less oil will help improve local air quality and
>
>>pull back on greenhouse gas emissions.
>>
>>Win, win.
>>
>>B) Our own Federal Trade Commission.
>>
>>If you agree with the GAO that industry consolidation is hurting rather
>
>>than helping the consumer at the pump, then something is wrong over at
>>the FTC. The FTC is our consumer protection watchdog, they oversee and
>>approves mergers and they enforce anti-trust legislation. Is the fox
>>guarding the hen house?
>>
>>C) Our own government.
>>
>>We have problems using long term planning to avoid situations where our
>
>>security is at risk from poor energy policy. This is a failure of
>>leadership by both major parties.
>>
>>How do we get better leadership? Is it by electing politicians who
>>represent multi-national industries? Or is it by electing politicians
>>who represent their actual constituents?
>>
>>If you believe in the latter, i.e. "democracy," the election system is
>>broken on several fronts.
>>
>>First, the increasing amount of money it takes to get elected means that
>
>>most politicians butter their bread from high money sources, because
>>that's the easy money. K street lobbyists are funneling vast sums of
>>money to both parties in order to push special interest agendas. This
>>results in politicians who are beholden to special interest groups for
>>their jobs. Lobbyists themselves are helping to write new legislation
>>and are even being appointed to government oversight positions.
>>
>>This will not be easy to reign in. Possible solutions include:
>>
>> -Using some amount of the public airwaves for elections without
>>charge, to make running for office less costly and thus level the
>>playing field for candidates who don't feed at the lobbyist trough;
>>
>> -Instant runoff voting so people can vote for their true favorite
>>candidates without fear of throwing their vote away;
>>
>> -Full disclosure laws for groups doing political advertising
>>(including those doing thinly veiled "issue advertising"), so everyone
>>knows exactly which special interests are behind any disinformation
>>campaign;
>>
>> -A responsible fourth estate that shines a bright light on ad
>>campaigns, showing the funding sources, revealing their interests, and
>>contrasting any claims with actual facts. We need to balance a special
>>interest group's right to brazenly lie with the public's need to know
>>the facts. :^)
>>
>> -Campaign finance reform. This is an interesting challenge: how to
>>keep an election from being bought without infringing on "free speech."
>
>>Free speech is in quotes because there is some controversy about whether
>
>>restricting campaign donations is the same as restricting actual speech.
>>
>>Second, the election mechanism itself is suspect. A large percentage of
>
>>the votes are compiled by computer-based systems that do not keep a
>>physical record of the vote. There is no way of knowing if the
>>electronic vote has been hacked, except that 1) we know electronic
>>voting makes it possible to cheat quickly, undetectably and on a large
>>scale, and 2) we have a clear history of various parties eagerly
>>cheating in elections when possible. Draw your own conclusions.
>>
>>Even with systems that keep a physical, recountable record, it's
>>important that the ballot of record be the physical representation and
>>not the electronic representation. The physical representation should be
>
>>counted for the first official tally as well as all recounts. It's
>>exceedingly important that vote tallies are regularly audited using the
>
>>physical ballots, with a sufficient percentage of precincts audited to
>>be very sure that no cheating falls through the cracks.
>>
>>On the other side of the equation, no party should be allowed to
>>manipulate the federal system to throw legitimate voters off the rolls
>>or fail to count any legitimate ballot, provisional or direct. Nor
>>should dead people vote.
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>PS. James, you also raised another issue, that of the arms industry, in
>
>>which we are a dominant player. I won't go into it here except to note
>>that one of the objections you raise about Venezuela is that they are
>>buying from a competitor.
>>
>>
>>James McCloskey wrote:
>>> This was a email I received.
>>>
>>> Diane Sawyer on ABC news interviewed the Venezuelan leader Chavez just
>last
>>> week -- March 2007 He is so dangerous, and you can tell he is thrilled
>to
>>> be selling oil toAmerica and having a foot on the throat of this country.
>>> He is something else. If you did not hear the interview, the following
>was
>>> discussed and it is true. They have all this money coming in and the
majority
>>> of his own people are living in poverty and he is so rich. He is best
>of
>>> friends with Castro and Russian leaders. He told Diane Sawyer that he
>was
>>> friends with all the world leaders, but President Bush is as dumb as
a
>'donkey'.
>>>
>>> CITGO CHANGING NAME...this is serious Americans...make sure you read
...
>>> NEWS FLASH: Chavez is NOW getting a Russian Weapons Factory built by
Putin.
>>> The RUSSIANS are building an AK-47 Kalashnikov Assault Rifle factory
in
>Venezuela,
>>> to give armament support to Communist Rebel groups throughout the Americas.
>>>
>>> Chavez NOW has IRANIANS operating his oil refineries in Venezuela for
>him.
>>> It is likely only a matter of time, if not already, before Chavez has
>Iranian
>>> built LONG RANGE missiles, with a variety of warhead types aimed at:
Guess
>>> Who?
>>>
>>> CITGO is NOW in the process of Changing Its Name to PETRO EXPRESS due
>to
>>> the loss of gasoline sales in the USA due to the recent publicity of
ownership
>>> by Chavez of Venezuela.
>>>
>>> Every dollar you spend with CITGO or PETRO EXPRESS gasoline will be used
>>> against you, your basic human rights, and your freedoms. He will start
>wars
>>> here in the Americas that will probably be the death of millions of free
>>> people.
>>>
>>> THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT because Chavez is starting to feel the loss of
>revenue
>>> from his holdings. HE OWNS CITGO. This is a very important move that
everyone
>>> should be aware of.
>>>
>>> ANNOUNCED JUST RECENTLY, CITGO, BEING AWARE THAT SALES ARE DOWN DUE TO
>U.S.
>>> CUSTOMERS NOT WANTING TO BUY FROM "CITGO-CHAVEZ", HAVE STARTED TO CHANGE
>>> THE NAME OF SOME OF THEIR STORES TO: "PETRO EXPRESS"
>>> DO NOT BUY FROM "PETRO EXPRESS" EITHER!!! "PETRO EXPRESS" IS ALSO 100%
>OWNED
>>> BY "CHAVEZ."
>>>
>>> KEEP THIS MEMO GOING SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>>>
>>> BOYCOTT "CITGO" AND "PETRO EXPRESS".............MAKE SURE THIS IS PASSED
>>> ON TO EVERYONE in YOUR E-MAIL LIST IN THE UNITED STATES AND OUTSIDE OF
>AMERICA.
>>>
>>>
>
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| Re: The world, oil, Citgo and Petro Express! [message #85482 is a reply to message #85471] |
Mon, 28 May 2007 08:47 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Senior Member |
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Yeah the black Panthers were a peaceful group. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Come on LaMont!
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritect.net> wrote:
>
>DJ, I'm not that narrow minded. Just becasue he (Chavez) rags on Bush doe
>snot make me admire him. Like Castro, and many rulers who won;t follow the
>US foriegn policy and put their Country first is a leader I admire..
>
>Back in the 60s the US govermen called the Black Panthers a terrosit organization,
>it was not.. Then seeked to distroy them just beacause they wanted a better
>america for all especialy African Americans..
>
>It hard for most white americans to belive that their country can do no
wrong.
>It's just that most of us who are non white belive in the US goverment
no
>mateer whos is office..
>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>Before you become enamoured with Somoza,
>>
>>sorry.......I meant Chavez.......
>>
>>
>>and another thought........just because Chavez echoes your personal opinions
>
>>about Bush, does not make him a "liberator". People like Chavez will say
>
>>whatever they think you want to hear as long as it suits their
>>agenda.....sorta like most American politicians.
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:46585f86@linux...
>>> LaMont, my friend. I think you are misguided here. I respect your
>>> opinions, but I wonder if you have ever been up close and personal with
>a
>>> totalitarian state......socialist or otherwise. I have seen it (Nicaragua
>
>>> during and after Somoza). Before you become enamoured with Somoza, I
>>> suggest you take some time off and go to Venezuela while you still can
>
>>> travel without a *state tender* (if this is even still possible) and
spend
>
>>> about a month travelling around down there.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> DJ
>>>
>>>
>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:4657da5b$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Hugo Chavez is a hero. A man willing to sand up for his counry and not
>
>>>> let
>>>> a another country (USA) tell him how to run thier commodity.
>>>>
>>>> This is nothing more than tipical US spin machine out to sway puplic
>
>>>> opinion
>>>> about those leaders that don't drink the US Kool-Aid.. They (Venezuelans)
>>>> don't need our aid. They have their own precious commodity.
>>>>
>>>> Wake up people, are we to believe every word coming from our Goverment??
>>>>
>>>> Thanks God for Citgo..
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>This was a email I received.
>>>>>
>>>>>Diane Sawyer on ABC news interviewed the Venezuelan leader Chavez just
>
>>>>>last
>>>>>week -- March 2007 He is so dangerous, and you can tell he is thrilled
>to
>>>>>be selling oil toAmerica and having a foot on the throat of this country.
>>>>>He is something else. If you did not hear the interview, the following
>
>>>>>was
>>>>>discussed and it is true. They have all this money coming in and the
>
>>>>>majority
>>>>>of his own people are living in poverty and he is so rich. He is best
>of
>>>>>friends with Castro and Russian leaders. He told Diane Sawyer that he
>was
>>>>>friends with all the world leaders, but President Bush is as dumb as
>a
>>>>>'donkey'.
>>>>>
>>>>>CITGO CHANGING NAME...this is serious Americans...make sure you read
>..
>>>>>NEWS FLASH: Chavez is NOW getting a Russian Weapons Factory built by
>
>>>>>Putin.
>>>>>The RUSSIANS are building an AK-47 Kalashnikov Assault Rifle factory
>in
>>>> Venezuela,
>>>>>to give armament support to Communist Rebel groups throughout the
>>>>>Americas.
>>>>>
>>>>>Chavez NOW has IRANIANS operating his oil refineries in Venezuela for
>
>>>>>him.
>>>>>It is likely only a matter of time, if not already, before Chavez has
>
>>>>>Iranian
>>>>>built LONG RANGE missiles, with a variety of warhead types aimed at:
>
>>>>>Guess
>>>>>Who?
>>>>>
>>>>>CITGO is NOW in the process of Changing Its Name to PETRO EXPRESS due
>to
>>>>>the loss of gasoline sales in the USA due to the recent publicity of
>
>>>>>ownership
>>>>>by Chavez of Venezuela.
>>>>>
>>>>>Every dollar you spend with CITGO or PETRO EXPRESS gasoline will be
used
>>>>>against you, your basic human rights, and your freedoms. He will start
>
>>>>>wars
>>>>>here in the Americas that will probably be the death of millions of
free
>>>>>people.
>>>>>
>>>>>THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT because Chavez is starting to feel the loss of
>
>>>>>revenue
>>>>>from his holdings. HE OWNS CITGO. This is a very important move that
>
>>>>>everyone
>>>>>should be aware of.
>>>>>
>>>>>ANNOUNCED JUST RECENTLY, CITGO, BEING AWARE THAT SALES ARE DOWN DUE
TO
>
>>>>>U.S.
>>>>>CUSTOMERS NOT WANTING TO BUY FROM "CITGO-CHAVEZ", HAVE STARTED TO CHANGE
>>>>>THE NAME OF SOME OF THEIR STORES TO: "PETRO EXPRESS"
>>>>>DO NOT BUY FROM "PETRO EXPRESS" EITHER!!! "PETRO EXPRESS" IS ALSO 100%
>
>>>>>OWNED
>>>>>BY "CHAVEZ."
>>>>>
>>>>>KEEP THIS MEMO GOING SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>>>>>
>>>>>BOYCOTT "CITGO" AND "PETRO EXPRESS".............MAKE SURE THIS IS PASSED
>>>>>ON TO EVERYONE in YOUR E-MAIL LIST IN THE UNITED STATES AND OUTSIDE
OF
>
>>>>>AMERICA.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: The world, oil, Citgo and Petro Express! [message #85485 is a reply to message #85471] |
Mon, 28 May 2007 09:11 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritect.net> wrote in message news:465af034$1@linux...
>
> DJ, I'm not that narrow minded. Just becasue he (Chavez) rags on Bush doe
> snot make me admire him. Like Castro, and many rulers who won;t follow the
> US foriegn policy and put their Country first is a leader I admire..
Sorry man... gotta have some comedy first here. Bush Doe Snot. I get visuals
of deer boxing glove hunting with Cheney and Dubya standing on the other
side of the deer in question... ok,now that's out of the way and the tone is
hopefully set :)
This isn't about Bush or who 'rags' him - frankly as a 'white american' that
voted for him, I think he needs some of it for a few things I've seen. On
the other hand: If you think Chavez and Castro are so great, why don't you
move outta our house and into theirs? I'm sure you'd find plenty of
opportunities like recording audio and freedom of speech and religion there.
If you want to be able to admire leaders, why haven't you put more into
getting candidates here in office that you 'can' admire?
> Back in the 60s the US govermen called the Black Panthers a terrosit
> organization,
> it was not.. Then seeked to distroy them just beacause they wanted a
> better
> america for all especialy African Americans..
I don't have a problem with betterment of African Americans. The BP's
started out as a very good idea in a time when black men were under fire,
and considered lesser men merited on skin color. As you may well know, I've
worked with some higher profile AA's and it has zero to do with a color as
far as I'm concerned - it's just people, some good some bad. However, you're
going to stand there and tell me splintered BP's never, ever used violence
for their agendas?
Frankly, I think a man's betterment doesn't come from some organization, it
comes from opportunity, skills, education and unfortunately sometimes who
you know. If this was still 1966, I'd agree with your stand but you are
behind the times dude, and there is a lot of racism from every corner based
upon old beliefs. Are you on the positive motion or the negative motion side
of the fence man?
> It hard for most white americans to belive that their country can do no
> wrong.
> It's just that most of us who are non white belive in the US goverment no
> mateer whos is office..
I'm not real sure what you're trying to say here, but if I'm reading this
right from your other statements in this and past posts:
For me and those around me in perspective, color has little to nothing to do
with it unless the race card is being pulled out for political leverage. An
that ain't usually the 'white american'. Can we say Louisiana and Hurricane
ever again in the same sentence w/o the race card coming up? I find this bad
form and offensive LaMont, and telling of how you'd box in Deej into a
catagory on auto pilot. Be careful of blanket statements like that, it sure
doesn't shine a positive light man.
Kick back, have a glass of tea and think about why you are making this
racial, and at who for what reasons. Then envision a more postiive response
and outcome.
AA
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>Before you become enamoured with Somoza,
>>
>>sorry.......I meant Chavez.......
>>
>>
>>and another thought........just because Chavez echoes your personal
>>opinions
>
>>about Bush, does not make him a "liberator". People like Chavez will say
>
>>whatever they think you want to hear as long as it suits their
>>agenda.....sorta like most American politicians.
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:46585f86@linux...
>>> LaMont, my friend. I think you are misguided here. I respect your
>>> opinions, but I wonder if you have ever been up close and personal with
> a
>>> totalitarian state......socialist or otherwise. I have seen it
>>> (Nicaragua
>
>>> during and after Somoza). Before you become enamoured with Somoza, I
>>> suggest you take some time off and go to Venezuela while you still can
>
>>> travel without a *state tender* (if this is even still possible) and
>>> spend
>
>>> about a month travelling around down there.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> DJ
>>>
>>>
>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>>> news:4657da5b$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Hugo Chavez is a hero. A man willing to sand up for his counry and not
>
>>>> let
>>>> a another country (USA) tell him how to run thier commodity.
>>>>
>>>> This is nothing more than tipical US spin machine out to sway puplic
>
>>>> opinion
>>>> about those leaders that don't drink the US Kool-Aid.. They
>>>> (Venezuelans)
>>>> don't need our aid. They have their own precious commodity.
>>>>
>>>> Wake up people, are we to believe every word coming from our
>>>> Goverment??
>>>>
>>>> Thanks God for Citgo..
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>This was a email I received.
>>>>>
>>>>>Diane Sawyer on ABC news interviewed the Venezuelan leader Chavez just
>
>>>>>last
>>>>>week -- March 2007 He is so dangerous, and you can tell he is thrilled
> to
>>>>>be selling oil toAmerica and having a foot on the throat of this
>>>>>country.
>>>>>He is something else. If you did not hear the interview, the following
>
>>>>>was
>>>>>discussed and it is true. They have all this money coming in and the
>
>>>>>majority
>>>>>of his own people are living in poverty and he is so rich. He is best
> of
>>>>>friends with Castro and Russian leaders. He told Diane Sawyer that he
> was
>>>>>friends with all the world leaders, but President Bush is as dumb as
> a
>>>>>'donkey'.
>>>>>
>>>>>CITGO CHANGING NAME...this is serious Americans...make sure you read
> ..
>>>>>NEWS FLASH: Chavez is NOW getting a Russian Weapons Factory built by
>
>>>>>Putin.
>>>>>The RUSSIANS are building an AK-47 Kalashnikov Assault Rifle factory
> in
>>>> Venezuela,
>>>>>to give armament support to Communist Rebel groups throughout the
>>>>>Americas.
>>>>>
>>>>>Chavez NOW has IRANIANS operating his oil refineries in Venezuela for
>
>>>>>him.
>>>>>It is likely only a matter of time, if not already, before Chavez has
>
>>>>>Iranian
>>>>>built LONG RANGE missiles, with a variety of warhead types aimed at:
>
>>>>>Guess
>>>>>Who?
>>>>>
>>>>>CITGO is NOW in the process of Changing Its Name to PETRO EXPRESS due
> to
>>>>>the loss of gasoline sales in the USA due to the recent publicity of
>
>>>>>ownership
>>>>>by Chavez of Venezuela.
>>>>>
>>>>>Every dollar you spend with CITGO or PETRO EXPRESS gasoline will be
>>>>>used
>>>>>against you, your basic human rights, and your freedoms. He will start
>
>>>>>wars
>>>>>here in the Americas that will probably be the death of millions of
>>>>>free
>>>>>people.
>>>>>
>>>>>THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT because Chavez is starting to feel the loss of
>
>>>>>revenue
>>>>>from his holdings. HE OWNS CITGO. This is a very important move that
>
>>>>>everyone
>>>>>should be aware of.
>>>>>
>>>>>ANNOUNCED JUST RECENTLY, CITGO, BEING AWARE THAT SALES ARE DOWN DUE TO
>
>>>>>U.S.
>>>>>CUSTOMERS NOT WANTING TO BUY FROM "CITGO-CHAVEZ", HAVE STARTED TO
>>>>>CHANGE
>>>>>THE NAME OF SOME OF THEIR STORES TO: "PETRO EXPRESS"
>>>>>DO NOT BUY FROM "PETRO EXPRESS" EITHER!!! "PETRO EXPRESS" IS ALSO 100%
>
>>>>>OWNED
>>>>>BY "CHAVEZ."
>>>>>
>>>>>KEEP THIS MEMO GOING SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>>>>>
>>>>>BOYCOTT "CITGO" AND "PETRO EXPRESS".............MAKE SURE THIS IS
>>>>>PASSED
>>>>>ON TO EVERYONE in YOUR E-MAIL LIST IN THE UNITED STATES AND OUTSIDE OF
>
>>>>>AMERICA.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: The world, oil, Citgo and Petro Express! [message #85490 is a reply to message #85473] |
Mon, 28 May 2007 09:48 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Thanks LaMont.
It's always easy to blame other countries. Other countries aren't beyond
criticism, and finger pointing makes for fun discussions.
But clearly we need to start by facing up to our own significant
responsibilities.
We are, as Bush recently recognized, addicted to oil. Has that sunk in?
Hello, America, we are addicted. Addicts, the lot of us. To a resource
that others control. To a resource that is finite, it will not last
forever.
First and foremost, we need to curb our unhealthy oil dependency with
smart conservation and a determined move toward other viable energy
sources. NOW.
As we get serious about that, we will have more and better options for a
rational foreign policy. Since we want to be a shining example for
others to follow, this is a great path for us to walk.
We have a lot of work to do.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
LaMont wrote:
> Amen Jamie..
> Good post. Could not've said it better.
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> America's appetite for oil is our own problem and we can't blame it on
>> other countries. We don't own their oil.
>>
>> The "foot on the throat" is really "feet on the throat" and the feet
>> belong to OPEC and other oil producers aided by an oil industry that is
>
>> more and more consolidated, monolithic and multi-national. But the
>> responsibility for putting our throat under those feet is largely our own.
>>
>> In order to get these footprints off of our throat it's not enough to
>> complain about the governments of other countries, whether they deserve
>
>> criticism or not. We need to face up to our own responsibilities and do
>
>> something about:
>>
>> A) Our own oil consumption.
>>
>> This is key. However you do it, consider using less petroleum. Drive a
>> more efficient car. Drive less. Go biodiesel (from efficient sources).
>> Go electric. Ride a bike. Take a bus/train. Walk.
>>
>> This will help make us less dependent on foreign oil, less manipulable
>> by terrorist factions, less susceptible to market manipulations and
>> better able to face the future when oil is harder to come by (oil is not
>
>> an infinite resource, google "peak oil"). Reducing our consumption will
>
>> also help relieve our shortage of refining capability, which, for a
>> variety of reasons, we are bumping into pretty hard right now.
>>
>> Also significant, using less oil will help improve local air quality and
>
>> pull back on greenhouse gas emissions.
>>
>> Win, win.
>>
>> B) Our own Federal Trade Commission.
>>
>> If you agree with the GAO that industry consolidation is hurting rather
>
>> than helping the consumer at the pump, then something is wrong over at
>> the FTC. The FTC is our consumer protection watchdog, they oversee and
>> approves mergers and they enforce anti-trust legislation. Is the fox
>> guarding the hen house?
>>
>> C) Our own government.
>>
>> We have problems using long term planning to avoid situations where our
>
>> security is at risk from poor energy policy. This is a failure of
>> leadership by both major parties.
>>
>> How do we get better leadership? Is it by electing politicians who
>> represent multi-national industries? Or is it by electing politicians
>> who represent their actual constituents?
>>
>> If you believe in the latter, i.e. "democracy," the election system is
>> broken on several fronts.
>>
>> First, the increasing amount of money it takes to get elected means that
>
>> most politicians butter their bread from high money sources, because
>> that's the easy money. K street lobbyists are funneling vast sums of
>> money to both parties in order to push special interest agendas. This
>> results in politicians who are beholden to special interest groups for
>> their jobs. Lobbyists themselves are helping to write new legislation
>> and are even being appointed to government oversight positions.
>>
>> This will not be easy to reign in. Possible solutions include:
>>
>> -Using some amount of the public airwaves for elections without
>> charge, to make running for office less costly and thus level the
>> playing field for candidates who don't feed at the lobbyist trough;
>>
>> -Instant runoff voting so people can vote for their true favorite
>> candidates without fear of throwing their vote away;
>>
>> -Full disclosure laws for groups doing political advertising
>> (including those doing thinly veiled "issue advertising"), so everyone
>> knows exactly which special interests are behind any disinformation
>> campaign;
>>
>> -A responsible fourth estate that shines a bright light on ad
>> campaigns, showing the funding sources, revealing their interests, and
>> contrasting any claims with actual facts. We need to balance a special
>> interest group's right to brazenly lie with the public's need to know
>> the facts. :^)
>>
>> -Campaign finance reform. This is an interesting challenge: how to
>> keep an election from being bought without infringing on "free speech."
>
>> Free speech is in quotes because there is some controversy about whether
>
>> restricting campaign donations is the same as restricting actual speech.
>>
>> Second, the election mechanism itself is suspect. A large percentage of
>
>> the votes are compiled by computer-based systems that do not keep a
>> physical record of the vote. There is no way of knowing if the
>> electronic vote has been hacked, except that 1) we know electronic
>> voting makes it possible to cheat quickly, undetectably and on a large
>> scale, and 2) we have a clear history of various parties eagerly
>> cheating in elections when possible. Draw your own conclusions.
>>
>> Even with systems that keep a physical, recountable record, it's
>> important that the ballot of record be the physical representation and
>> not the electronic representation. The physical representation should be
>
>> counted for the first official tally as well as all recounts. It's
>> exceedingly important that vote tallies are regularly audited using the
>
>> physical ballots, with a sufficient percentage of precincts audited to
>> be very sure that no cheating falls through the cracks.
>>
>> On the other side of the equation, no party should be allowed to
>> manipulate the federal system to throw legitimate voters off the rolls
>> or fail to count any legitimate ballot, provisional or direct. Nor
>> should dead people vote.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>> PS. James, you also raised another issue, that of the arms industry, in
>
>> which we are a dominant player. I won't go into it here except to note
>> that one of the objections you raise about Venezuela is that they are
>> buying from a competitor.
>>
>>
>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>> This was a email I received.
>>>
>>> Diane Sawyer on ABC news interviewed the Venezuelan leader Chavez just
> last
>>> week -- March 2007 He is so dangerous, and you can tell he is thrilled
> to
>>> be selling oil toAmerica and having a foot on the throat of this country.
>>> He is something else. If you did not hear the interview, the following
> was
>>> discussed and it is true. They have all this money coming in and the majority
>>> of his own people are living in poverty and he is so rich. He is best
> of
>>> friends with Castro and Russian leaders. He told Diane Sawyer that he
> was
>>> friends with all the world leaders, but President Bush is as dumb as a
> 'donkey'.
>>> CITGO CHANGING NAME...this is serious Americans...make sure you read ...
>>> NEWS FLASH: Chavez is NOW getting a Russian Weapons Factory built by Putin.
>>> The RUSSIANS are building an AK-47 Kalashnikov Assault Rifle factory in
> Venezuela,
>>> to give armament support to Communist Rebel groups throughout the Americas.
>>>
>>> Chavez NOW has IRANIANS operating his oil refineries in Venezuela for
> him.
>>> It is likely only a matter of time, if not already, before Chavez has
> Iranian
>>> built LONG RANGE missiles, with a variety of warhead types aimed at: Guess
>>> Who?
>>>
>>> CITGO is NOW in the process of Changing Its Name to PETRO EXPRESS due
> to
>>> the loss of gasoline sales in the USA due to the recent publicity of ownership
>>> by Chavez of Venezuela.
>>>
>>> Every dollar you spend with CITGO or PETRO EXPRESS gasoline will be used
>>> against you, your basic human rights, and your freedoms. He will start
> wars
>>> here in the Americas that will probably be the death of millions of free
>>> people.
>>>
>>> THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT because Chavez is starting to feel the loss of
> revenue
>>> from his holdings. HE OWNS CITGO. This is a very important move that everyone
>>> should be aware of.
>>>
>>> ANNOUNCED JUST RECENTLY, CITGO, BEING AWARE THAT SALES ARE DOWN DUE TO
> U.S.
>>> CUSTOMERS NOT WANTING TO BUY FROM "CITGO-CHAVEZ", HAVE STARTED TO CHANGE
>>> THE NAME OF SOME OF THEIR STORES TO: "PETRO EXPRESS"
>>> DO NOT BUY FROM "PETRO EXPRESS" EITHER!!! "PETRO EXPRESS" IS ALSO 100%
> OWNED
>>> BY "CHAVEZ."
>>>
>>> KEEP THIS MEMO GOING SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>>>
>>> BOYCOTT "CITGO" AND "PETRO EXPRESS".............MAKE SURE THIS IS PASSED
>>> ON TO EVERYONE in YOUR E-MAIL LIST IN THE UNITED STATES AND OUTSIDE OF
> AMERICA.
>>>
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| Re: The world, oil, Citgo and Petro Express! [message #85522 is a reply to message #85469] |
Mon, 28 May 2007 19:39 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Here you go LaMont!
Venezuelans Protest As TV Station Shuts
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070529/D8PDOG1G0.html
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>same with tme. I had a 88 Izuzu I mark and filled it with some citgo gas/water
>and it killed my catalytic converter..
>
>It took a long time for me to buy Citgo gas . But, just because a country
>is communist, does that mean they are evil??
>Come on man. Take off the USA blinders..
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>By the way, In 1995 I purchased a brand new Firebird. About a month after
>>getting the car I got gas at a Citgo station. with in minutes of pulling
>>out, the engine ceased up. Towed it in to a dealer and found out I had
>bad
>>gas. I had the state of Michigan come out and test the gas. 71% was water,
>>about 8% was solid garbage, and the rest was gas. It took out all of the
>>fuel injectors and the fuel pump. It did about $1700.00 in damage.
>>
>> Citgo refused to take any responsibility for their product, and refused
>>to pay for the damage. They immediately told me that they were not responsible
>>for their product after it left their refinery. Apparently that was their
>>standard response for anybody that called them about bad gas. It took
about
>>6 months to get it straitened out. The state of Michigan gave them a choice,
>>pay for the damages or pay a $25,000.00 fine. The arab gas station owner
>>had to pay for the damage.
>>
>>My neighbor later told me that when that gas station would start running
>>out of gas he would see them put the garden hose down in to their tanks.
>> So I guess the owner deserved what he got. There were also many reports
>>on the news of people getting bad gas from Citgo stations all over town.
>>
>>Needless to say, I never buy gas at Citgo. What a PITA! If you want to
>>buy your gas from them that's up to you.
>>
>>When possible I will avoid buying Communist made products. And yes I am
>>aware of where some of my favorite products are made. I don't like it.
>>
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hugo Chavez is a hero. A man willing to sand up for his counry and not
>let
>>>a another country (USA) tell him how to run thier commodity.
>>>
>>>This is nothing more than tipical US spin machine out to sway puplic opinion
>>>about those leaders that don't drink the US Kool-Aid.. They (Venezuelans)
>>>don't need our aid. They have their own precious commodity.
>>>
>>>Wake up people, are we to believe every word coming from our Goverment??
>>>
>>>Thanks God for Citgo..
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>This was a email I received.
>>>>
>>>>Diane Sawyer on ABC news interviewed the Venezuelan leader Chavez just
>>last
>>>>week -- March 2007 He is so dangerous, and you can tell he is thrilled
>>to
>>>>be selling oil toAmerica and having a foot on the throat of this country.
>>>>He is something else. If you did not hear the interview, the following
>>was
>>>>discussed and it is true. They have all this money coming in and the
majority
>>>>of his own people are living in poverty and he is so rich. He is best
>of
>>>>friends with Castro and Russian leaders. He told Diane Sawyer that he
>was
>>>>friends with all the world leaders, but President Bush is as dumb as
a
>>'donkey'.
>>>>
>>>>CITGO CHANGING NAME...this is serious Americans...make sure you read
...
>>>>NEWS FLASH: Chavez is NOW getting a Russian Weapons Factory built by
Putin.
>>>>The RUSSIANS are building an AK-47 Kalashnikov Assault Rifle factory
in
>>>Venezuela,
>>>>to give armament support to Communist Rebel groups throughout the Americas.
>>>>
>>>>Chavez NOW has IRANIANS operating his oil refineries in Venezuela for
>him.
>>>>It is likely only a matter of time, if not already, before Chavez has
>Iranian
>>>>built LONG RANGE missiles, with a variety of warhead types aimed at:
Guess
>>>>Who?
>>>>
>>>>CITGO is NOW in the process of Changing Its Name to PETRO EXPRESS due
>to
>>>>the loss of gasoline sales in the USA due to the recent publicity of
ownership
>>>>by Chavez of Venezuela.
>>>>
>>>>Every dollar you spend with CITGO or PETRO EXPRESS gasoline will be used
>>>>against you, your basic human rights, and your freedoms. He will start
>>wars
>>>>here in the Americas that will probably be the death of millions of free
>>>>people.
>>>>
>>>>THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT because Chavez is starting to feel the loss of
>revenue
>>>>from his holdings. HE OWNS CITGO. This is a very important move that
everyone
>>>>should be aware of.
>>>>
>>>>ANNOUNCED JUST RECENTLY, CITGO, BEING AWARE THAT SALES ARE DOWN DUE TO
>>U.S.
>>>>CUSTOMERS NOT WANTING TO BUY FROM "CITGO-CHAVEZ", HAVE STARTED TO CHANGE
>>>>THE NAME OF SOME OF THEIR STORES TO: "PETRO EXPRESS"
>>>>DO NOT BUY FROM "PETRO EXPRESS" EITHER!!! "PETRO EXPRESS" IS ALSO 100%
>>OWNED
>>>>BY "CHAVEZ."
>>>>
>>>>KEEP THIS MEMO GOING SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>>>>
>>>>BOYCOTT "CITGO" AND "PETRO EXPRESS".............MAKE SURE THIS IS PASSED
>>>>ON TO EVERYONE in YOUR E-MAIL LIST IN THE UNITED STATES AND OUTSIDE OF
>>AMERICA.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: The world, oil, Citgo and Petro Express! [message #85546 is a reply to message #85477] |
Tue, 29 May 2007 13:11 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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I thought you were a Christian?
I am.. God's order of Government is a Theocracy and of a Democracy. One ruler
system.. Not baiting..
USA should be dictating policy over another country. If they want to be comunist
let them. That's my belife. That does not manke me anyless american..
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>What's wrong wit Communism? I thought you were a Christian? Well anyways,
>try freedom!!! When you rule your people with military force and take their
>freedoms away It's not a good thing. They will kill anybody that does not
>want to go along. He will stay rich while the people live in poverty, that's
>the Communist way. He is just another communist dictator. He want's to
>arm Communist rebels all over south america. That's not good for anybody,
>especially America. That will cause conflicts that a lot of people will
>die in, possibly americans. The USA will not just stand by and watch south
>america fall to communism.
>
>LaMont, I guess you are showing your true anti American colors. Or are
you
>just bating? Please clarify.
>
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>same with tme. I had a 88 Izuzu I mark and filled it with some citgo gas/water
>>and it killed my catalytic converter..
>>
>>It took a long time for me to buy Citgo gas . But, just because a country
>>is communist, does that mean they are evil??
>>Come on man. Take off the USA blinders..
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>By the way, In 1995 I purchased a brand new Firebird. About a month after
>>>getting the car I got gas at a Citgo station. with in minutes of pulling
>>>out, the engine ceased up. Towed it in to a dealer and found out I had
>>bad
>>>gas. I had the state of Michigan come out and test the gas. 71% was
water,
>>>about 8% was solid garbage, and the rest was gas. It took out all of
the
>>>fuel injectors and the fuel pump. It did about $1700.00 in damage.
>>>
>>> Citgo refused to take any responsibility for their product, and refused
>>>to pay for the damage. They immediately told me that they were not responsible
>>>for their product after it left their refinery. Apparently that was their
>>>standard response for anybody that called them about bad gas. It took
>about
>>>6 months to get it straitened out. The state of Michigan gave them a
choice,
>>>pay for the damages or pay a $25,000.00 fine. The arab gas station owner
>>>had to pay for the damage.
>>>
>>>My neighbor later told me that when that gas station would start running
>>>out of gas he would see them put the garden hose down in to their tanks.
>>> So I guess the owner deserved what he got. There were also many reports
>>>on the news of people getting bad gas from Citgo stations all over town.
>>>
>>>Needless to say, I never buy gas at Citgo. What a PITA! If you want
to
>>>buy your gas from them that's up to you.
>>>
>>>When possible I will avoid buying Communist made products. And yes I
am
>>>aware of where some of my favorite products are made. I don't like it.
>>>
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hugo Chavez is a hero. A man willing to sand up for his counry and not
>>let
>>>>a another country (USA) tell him how to run thier commodity.
>>>>
>>>>This is nothing more than tipical US spin machine out to sway puplic
opinion
>>>>about those leaders that don't drink the US Kool-Aid.. They (Venezuelans)
>>>>don't need our aid. They have their own precious commodity.
>>>>
>>>>Wake up people, are we to believe every word coming from our Goverment??
>>>>
>>>>Thanks God for Citgo..
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>This was a email I received.
>>>>>
>>>>>Diane Sawyer on ABC news interviewed the Venezuelan leader Chavez just
>>>last
>>>>>week -- March 2007 He is so dangerous, and you can tell he is thrilled
>>>to
>>>>>be selling oil toAmerica and having a foot on the throat of this country.
>>>>>He is something else. If you did not hear the interview, the following
>>>was
>>>>>discussed and it is true. They have all this money coming in and the
>majority
>>>>>of his own people are living in poverty and he is so rich. He is best
>>of
>>>>>friends with Castro and Russian leaders. He told Diane Sawyer that he
>>was
>>>>>friends with all the world leaders, but President Bush is as dumb as
>a
>>>'donkey'.
>>>>>
>>>>>CITGO CHANGING NAME...this is serious Americans...make sure you read
>..
>>>>>NEWS FLASH: Chavez is NOW getting a Russian Weapons Factory built by
>Putin.
>>>>>The RUSSIANS are building an AK-47 Kalashnikov Assault Rifle factory
>in
>>>>Venezuela,
>>>>>to give armament support to Communist Rebel groups throughout the Americas.
>>>>>
>>>>>Chavez NOW has IRANIANS operating his oil refineries in Venezuela for
>>him.
>>>>>It is likely only a matter of time, if not already, before Chavez has
>>Iranian
>>>>>built LONG RANGE missiles, with a variety of warhead types aimed at:
>Guess
>>>>>Who?
>>>>>
>>>>>CITGO is NOW in the process of Changing Its Name to PETRO EXPRESS due
>>to
>>>>>the loss of gasoline sales in the USA due to the recent publicity of
>ownership
>>>>>by Chavez of Venezuela.
>>>>>
>>>>>Every dollar you spend with CITGO or PETRO EXPRESS gasoline will be
used
>>>>>against you, your basic human rights, and your freedoms. He will start
>>>wars
>>>>>here in the Americas that will probably be the death of millions of
free
>>>>>people.
>>>>>
>>>>>THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT because Chavez is starting to feel the loss of
>>revenue
>>>>>from his holdings. HE OWNS CITGO. This is a very important move that
>everyone
>>>>>should be aware of.
>>>>>
>>>>>ANNOUNCED JUST RECENTLY, CITGO, BEING AWARE THAT SALES ARE DOWN DUE
TO
>>>U.S.
>>>>>CUSTOMERS NOT WANTING TO BUY FROM "CITGO-CHAVEZ", HAVE STARTED TO CHANGE
>>>>>THE NAME OF SOME OF THEIR STORES TO: "PETRO EXPRESS"
>>>>>DO NOT BUY FROM "PETRO EXPRESS" EITHER!!! "PETRO EXPRESS" IS ALSO 100%
>>>OWNED
>>>>>BY "CHAVEZ."
>>>>>
>>>>>KEEP THIS MEMO GOING SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>>>>>
>>>>>BOYCOTT "CITGO" AND "PETRO EXPRESS".............MAKE SURE THIS IS PASSED
>>>>>ON TO EVERYONE in YOUR E-MAIL LIST IN THE UNITED STATES AND OUTSIDE
OF
>>>AMERICA.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: The world, oil, Citgo and Petro Express! [message #85547 is a reply to message #85522] |
Tue, 29 May 2007 13:16 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
|
Senior Member |
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James.. Who and what country starts riots and protest???? Hint CIA.. Called
ounter measures. Used when they dealing with a country that does not play
ball with them..
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Here you go LaMont!
>
>Venezuelans Protest As TV Station Shuts
>
>http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070529/D8PDOG1G0.html
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>same with tme. I had a 88 Izuzu I mark and filled it with some citgo gas/water
>>and it killed my catalytic converter..
>>
>>It took a long time for me to buy Citgo gas . But, just because a country
>>is communist, does that mean they are evil??
>>Come on man. Take off the USA blinders..
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>By the way, In 1995 I purchased a brand new Firebird. About a month after
>>>getting the car I got gas at a Citgo station. with in minutes of pulling
>>>out, the engine ceased up. Towed it in to a dealer and found out I had
>>bad
>>>gas. I had the state of Michigan come out and test the gas. 71% was
water,
>>>about 8% was solid garbage, and the rest was gas. It took out all of
the
>>>fuel injectors and the fuel pump. It did about $1700.00 in damage.
>>>
>>> Citgo refused to take any responsibility for their product, and refused
>>>to pay for the damage. They immediately told me that they were not responsible
>>>for their product after it left their refinery. Apparently that was their
>>>standard response for anybody that called them about bad gas. It took
>about
>>>6 months to get it straitened out. The state of Michigan gave them a
choice,
>>>pay for the damages or pay a $25,000.00 fine. The arab gas station owner
>>>had to pay for the damage.
>>>
>>>My neighbor later told me that when that gas station would start running
>>>out of gas he would see them put the garden hose down in to their tanks.
>>> So I guess the owner deserved what he got. There were also many reports
>>>on the news of people getting bad gas from Citgo stations all over town.
>>>
>>>Needless to say, I never buy gas at Citgo. What a PITA! If you want
to
>>>buy your gas from them that's up to you.
>>>
>>>When possible I will avoid buying Communist made products. And yes I
am
>>>aware of where some of my favorite products are made. I don't like it.
>>>
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hugo Chavez is a hero. A man willing to sand up for his counry and not
>>let
>>>>a another country (USA) tell him how to run thier commodity.
>>>>
>>>>This is nothing more than tipical US spin machine out to sway puplic
opinion
>>>>about those leaders that don't drink the US Kool-Aid.. They (Venezuelans)
>>>>don't need our aid. They have their own precious commodity.
>>>>
>>>>Wake up people, are we to believe every word coming from our Goverment??
>>>>
>>>>Thanks God for Citgo..
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>This was a email I received.
>>>>>
>>>>>Diane Sawyer on ABC news interviewed the Venezuelan leader Chavez just
>>>last
>>>>>week -- March 2007 He is so dangerous, and you can tell he is thrilled
>>>to
>>>>>be selling oil toAmerica and having a foot on the throat of this country.
>>>>>He is something else. If you did not hear the interview, the following
>>>was
>>>>>discussed and it is true. They have all this money coming in and the
>majority
>>>>>of his own people are living in poverty and he is so rich. He is best
>>of
>>>>>friends with Castro and Russian leaders. He told Diane Sawyer that he
>>was
>>>>>friends with all the world leaders, but President Bush is as dumb as
>a
>>>'donkey'.
>>>>>
>>>>>CITGO CHANGING NAME...this is serious Americans...make sure you read
>..
>>>>>NEWS FLASH: Chavez is NOW getting a Russian Weapons Factory built by
>Putin.
>>>>>The RUSSIANS are building an AK-47 Kalashnikov Assault Rifle factory
>in
>>>>Venezuela,
>>>>>to give armament support to Communist Rebel groups throughout the Americas.
>>>>>
>>>>>Chavez NOW has IRANIANS operating his oil refineries in Venezuela for
>>him.
>>>>>It is likely only a matter of time, if not already, before Chavez has
>>Iranian
>>>>>built LONG RANGE missiles, with a variety of warhead types aimed at:
>Guess
>>>>>Who?
>>>>>
>>>>>CITGO is NOW in the process of Changing Its Name to PETRO EXPRESS due
>>to
>>>>>the loss of gasoline sales in the USA due to the recent publicity of
>ownership
>>>>>by Chavez of Venezuela.
>>>>>
>>>>>Every dollar you spend with CITGO or PETRO EXPRESS gasoline will be
used
>>>>>against you, your basic human rights, and your freedoms. He will start
>>>wars
>>>>>here in the Americas that will probably be the death of millions of
free
>>>>>people.
>>>>>
>>>>>THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT because Chavez is starting to feel the loss of
>>revenue
>>>>>from his holdings. HE OWNS CITGO. This is a very important move that
>everyone
>>>>>should be aware of.
>>>>>
>>>>>ANNOUNCED JUST RECENTLY, CITGO, BEING AWARE THAT SALES ARE DOWN DUE
TO
>>>U.S.
>>>>>CUSTOMERS NOT WANTING TO BUY FROM "CITGO-CHAVEZ", HAVE STARTED TO CHANGE
>>>>>THE NAME OF SOME OF THEIR STORES TO: "PETRO EXPRESS"
>>>>>DO NOT BUY FROM "PETRO EXPRESS" EITHER!!! "PETRO EXPRESS" IS ALSO 100%
>>>OWNED
>>>>>BY "CHAVEZ."
>>>>>
>>>>>KEEP THIS MEMO GOING SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>>>>>
>>>>>BOYCOTT "CITGO" AND "PETRO EXPRESS".............MAKE SURE THIS IS PASSED
>>>>>ON TO EVERYONE in YOUR E-MAIL LIST IN THE UNITED STATES AND OUTSIDE
OF
>>>AMERICA.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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