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| Prootools guy says Paris tracks are too hot [message #86445] |
Mon, 11 June 2007 07:04  |
Rod Lincoln
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There's a project currently being mixed by a protools mix guy here in Kansas
City, that I tracked my drums for in Paris at my place. He mentioned to the
guy I did the work for that I was tracking too hot. I've never heard a comment
like this before, and I've done plenty of stuff. The thing is, I've heard
really good things about this engineer, and the mixes I've heard so far sound
pretty good.
I don't have any overs when I track, but I usually get as much level as I
can before that. Usually within 3db from zero on Paris. There's no compression
before the convertors.
He says the plugs sound better if the tracks aren't cut too hot. I think
it's his methodology of using plugs with less head room. I've had plugs clip
(UAD) but I'll just insert a plug like the Paris vst eq before it (no eq
just lower the trim)and that takes care of it.
Anyway, for the sake of being opened minded, I'd be interested in any thoughts
on this. Especially from you guys who use protools or native platforms.
Rod
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| Re: Prootools guy says Paris tracks are too hot [message #86448 is a reply to message #86445] |
Mon, 11 June 2007 07:13  |
Sarah
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Aw, those ProTools guys are just jealous cuz they spent so much more to be
"Pro". Tracking drums too hot? Come on, is that even possible? :)
Is Rod Lincoln your real name, or do you just call yourself that because
you're hot?
Sarah
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> There's a project currently being mixed by a protools mix guy here in
> Kansas
> City, that I tracked my drums for in Paris at my place. He mentioned to
> the
> guy I did the work for that I was tracking too hot. I've never heard a
> comment
> like this before, and I've done plenty of stuff. The thing is, I've heard
> really good things about this engineer, and the mixes I've heard so far
> sound
> pretty good.
> I don't have any overs when I track, but I usually get as much level as I
> can before that. Usually within 3db from zero on Paris. There's no
> compression
> before the convertors.
> He says the plugs sound better if the tracks aren't cut too hot. I think
> it's his methodology of using plugs with less head room. I've had plugs
> clip
> (UAD) but I'll just insert a plug like the Paris vst eq before it (no eq
> just lower the trim)and that takes care of it.
> Anyway, for the sake of being opened minded, I'd be interested in any
> thoughts
> on this. Especially from you guys who use protools or native platforms.
> Rod
>
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| Re: Prootools guy says Paris tracks are too hot [message #86450 is a reply to message #86445] |
Mon, 11 June 2007 07:42 |
Dedric Terry
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Hi Rod,
It could just be his approach to PT/plugins. If you normally don't get overs
when transferring tracks to native/Protools with your workflow (-3dB peaks
in Paris), then it isn't a gain staging issue with Paris vs. PT.
Fixed point plugins may indeed be easier to work with using lower levels
simply due to the limited headroom. But since there is no compression
(which I would normally associate with this kind of complaint), I don't see
why a little gain reduction wouldn't solve the problem for him.
Regards,
Dedric
On 6/11/07 8:04 AM, in article 466d5671$1@linux, "Rod Lincoln"
<rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
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> There's a project currently being mixed by a protools mix guy here in Kansas
> City, that I tracked my drums for in Paris at my place. He mentioned to the
> guy I did the work for that I was tracking too hot. I've never heard a comment
> like this before, and I've done plenty of stuff. The thing is, I've heard
> really good things about this engineer, and the mixes I've heard so far sound
> pretty good.
> I don't have any overs when I track, but I usually get as much level as I
> can before that. Usually within 3db from zero on Paris. There's no compression
> before the convertors.
> He says the plugs sound better if the tracks aren't cut too hot. I think
> it's his methodology of using plugs with less head room. I've had plugs clip
> (UAD) but I'll just insert a plug like the Paris vst eq before it (no eq
> just lower the trim)and that takes care of it.
> Anyway, for the sake of being opened minded, I'd be interested in any thoughts
> on this. Especially from you guys who use protools or native platforms.
> Rod
>
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| Re: Prootools guy says Paris tracks are too hot [message #86452 is a reply to message #86450] |
Mon, 11 June 2007 07:53 |
Rod Lincoln
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That's my thoughts also. Thanks
Rod
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Hi Rod,
>
>It could just be his approach to PT/plugins. If you normally don't get overs
>when transferring tracks to native/Protools with your workflow (-3dB peaks
>in Paris), then it isn't a gain staging issue with Paris vs. PT.
>
>Fixed point plugins may indeed be easier to work with using lower levels
>simply due to the limited headroom. But since there is no compression
>(which I would normally associate with this kind of complaint), I don't
see
>why a little gain reduction wouldn't solve the problem for him.
>
>Regards,
>Dedric
>
>On 6/11/07 8:04 AM, in article 466d5671$1@linux, "Rod Lincoln"
><rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> There's a project currently being mixed by a protools mix guy here in
Kansas
>> City, that I tracked my drums for in Paris at my place. He mentioned to
the
>> guy I did the work for that I was tracking too hot. I've never heard a
comment
>> like this before, and I've done plenty of stuff. The thing is, I've heard
>> really good things about this engineer, and the mixes I've heard so far
sound
>> pretty good.
>> I don't have any overs when I track, but I usually get as much level as
I
>> can before that. Usually within 3db from zero on Paris. There's no compression
>> before the convertors.
>> He says the plugs sound better if the tracks aren't cut too hot. I think
>> it's his methodology of using plugs with less head room. I've had plugs
clip
>> (UAD) but I'll just insert a plug like the Paris vst eq before it (no
eq
>> just lower the trim)and that takes care of it.
>> Anyway, for the sake of being opened minded, I'd be interested in any
thoughts
>> on this. Especially from you guys who use protools or native platforms.
>> Rod
>>
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| Re: Prootools guy says Paris tracks are too hot [message #86453 is a reply to message #86450] |
Mon, 11 June 2007 07:55 |
John Macy
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That's funny, sorta--I mix a lot of projects
cut in protools and they almost all come in
cut screaming hot...
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Hi Rod,
>
>It could just be his approach to PT/plugins. If you normally don't get overs
>when transferring tracks to native/Protools with your workflow (-3dB peaks
>in Paris), then it isn't a gain staging issue with Paris vs. PT.
>
>Fixed point plugins may indeed be easier to work with using lower levels
>simply due to the limited headroom. But since there is no compression
>(which I would normally associate with this kind of complaint), I don't
see
>why a little gain reduction wouldn't solve the problem for him.
>
>Regards,
>Dedric
>
>On 6/11/07 8:04 AM, in article 466d5671$1@linux, "Rod Lincoln"
><rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> There's a project currently being mixed by a protools mix guy here in
Kansas
>> City, that I tracked my drums for in Paris at my place. He mentioned to
the
>> guy I did the work for that I was tracking too hot. I've never heard a
comment
>> like this before, and I've done plenty of stuff. The thing is, I've heard
>> really good things about this engineer, and the mixes I've heard so far
sound
>> pretty good.
>> I don't have any overs when I track, but I usually get as much level as
I
>> can before that. Usually within 3db from zero on Paris. There's no compression
>> before the convertors.
>> He says the plugs sound better if the tracks aren't cut too hot. I think
>> it's his methodology of using plugs with less head room. I've had plugs
clip
>> (UAD) but I'll just insert a plug like the Paris vst eq before it (no
eq
>> just lower the trim)and that takes care of it.
>> Anyway, for the sake of being opened minded, I'd be interested in any
thoughts
>> on this. Especially from you guys who use protools or native platforms.
>> Rod
>>
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| Re: Prootools guy says Paris tracks are too hot [message #86455 is a reply to message #86445] |
Mon, 11 June 2007 08:49 |
LaMont
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Registered: October 2005
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All the time...Especially, in PT cersion 4.x and 5.x. 7.x, with it's new summing
bus, handles the hot tracks alot better.
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
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>There's a project currently being mixed by a protools mix guy here in Kansas
>City, that I tracked my drums for in Paris at my place. He mentioned to
the
>guy I did the work for that I was tracking too hot. I've never heard a comment
>like this before, and I've done plenty of stuff. The thing is, I've heard
>really good things about this engineer, and the mixes I've heard so far
sound
>pretty good.
>I don't have any overs when I track, but I usually get as much level as
I
>can before that. Usually within 3db from zero on Paris. There's no compression
>before the convertors.
>He says the plugs sound better if the tracks aren't cut too hot. I think
>it's his methodology of using plugs with less head room. I've had plugs
clip
>(UAD) but I'll just insert a plug like the Paris vst eq before it (no eq
>just lower the trim)and that takes care of it.
>Anyway, for the sake of being opened minded, I'd be interested in any thoughts
>on this. Especially from you guys who use protools or native platforms.
>Rod
>
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| Re: Prootools guy says Paris tracks are too hot [message #86473 is a reply to message #86455] |
Mon, 11 June 2007 19:18 |
Tyrone Corbett
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Rod, I had a similar circumstance a couple of years ago. I submitted some
tracks to a trusted Pro Tools guy to mix and he said a number of the files
were "too hot" and were distorted, though I was NEVER able to duplicate the
problem when importing the tracks into a different project.
If I recall correctly, one of the thoughts here had to do with summing in
Pro Tools.
Tyrone
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
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>All the time...Especially, in PT cersion 4.x and 5.x. 7.x, with it's new
summing
>bus, handles the hot tracks alot better.
>
>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
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>>There's a project currently being mixed by a protools mix guy here in Kansas
>>City, that I tracked my drums for in Paris at my place. He mentioned to
>the
>>guy I did the work for that I was tracking too hot. I've never heard a
comment
>>like this before, and I've done plenty of stuff. The thing is, I've heard
>>really good things about this engineer, and the mixes I've heard so far
>sound
>>pretty good.
>>I don't have any overs when I track, but I usually get as much level as
>I
>>can before that. Usually within 3db from zero on Paris. There's no compression
>>before the convertors.
>>He says the plugs sound better if the tracks aren't cut too hot. I think
>>it's his methodology of using plugs with less head room. I've had plugs
>clip
>>(UAD) but I'll just insert a plug like the Paris vst eq before it (no eq
>>just lower the trim)and that takes care of it.
>>Anyway, for the sake of being opened minded, I'd be interested in any thoughts
>>on this. Especially from you guys who use protools or native platforms.
>>Rod
>>
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| Re: Prootools guy says Paris tracks are too hot [message #86588 is a reply to message #86543] |
Thu, 14 June 2007 00:09 |
Sarah
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Hey, it's not my fault you're hot even when you're snorty.
S
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> His whole mindset is that the plugins have more headroom and sound better
> when the tracks aren't as hot. I was just wondering what everyone else
> thought.
> Rod
> By the way, the reason this thread went astray IS BECAUSE OF SARAH! IT'S
> HER FAULT!
> ;-)
>
> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>>"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>>Ooo . . . a Hot Snortyhorse . . . excuse me . . . I need to get some air
>> .
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>>Sticking to the original topic of the thread, I have noticed
>>when I've done projects in PTHD (at another facility, since I
>>don't have PT here) the channels tend to redlight pretty
>>easily - hence, when I've imported PT tracks to SX, the levels
>>seem to be a lot lower than what I would normally record at,
>>were I recording in SX or Paris. So, is PT more peak-sensitive?
>>If so could this be part of the problem? IOW, the guy's just
>>not used to seeing stuff go to track that hot?
>>
>>Neil
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