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| ITB real world track counts??? [message #82531] |
Mon, 02 April 2007 18:28  |
emarenot
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Paris has been an awesome system. I intend to continue working with it, but
I'm considering an ITB solution to use in addition to Paris. I've got some
jack to throw at a new computer, but not top dollar -I'm thinking maybe
800.00. I haven't checked out a barebones system or what it would cost to
roll my own, but Dell is selling a system that includes an Athlon 64 X2 dual
core 4400+. 1 gig of ram. 250gig sata drive. (I'd get a separate audio
drive.) Anyhoo, I know there's lots of if ands and buts, but, any thoughts
on what kind of real world track counts are possible? Or alternatively, I'm
trying to run about five soft synths, ten tracks with loops (a la Acid) and
16 - 20 audio tracks --so probably at least 10 compressors, a couple of
verbs of the auxs, and eq on all at least 24 tracks. I'd rather not have to
"freeze" anything. Is this even approachable with a dual core athlon, or in
this price range?
Thanks!
MR
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| Re: ITB real world track counts??? [message #82532 is a reply to message #82531] |
Mon, 02 April 2007 15:44  |
EK Sound
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Up your RAM to 2 gigs and it would probably cut it...
See if you can find a nice Intel Core Duo machine for around the same
money...
David.
Mike R. wrote:
> Paris has been an awesome system. I intend to continue working with it,
> but I'm considering an ITB solution to use in addition to Paris. I've
> got some jack to throw at a new computer, but not top dollar -I'm
> thinking maybe 800.00. I haven't checked out a barebones system or what
> it would cost to roll my own, but Dell is selling a system that includes
> an Athlon 64 X2 dual core 4400+. 1 gig of ram. 250gig sata drive. (I'd
> get a separate audio drive.) Anyhoo, I know there's lots of if ands and
> buts, but, any thoughts on what kind of real world track counts are
> possible? Or alternatively, I'm trying to run about five soft synths,
> ten tracks with loops (a la Acid) and 16 - 20 audio tracks --so probably
> at least 10 compressors, a couple of verbs of the auxs, and eq on all
> at least 24 tracks. I'd rather not have to "freeze" anything. Is this
> even approachable with a dual core athlon, or in this price range?
> Thanks!
> MR
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| Re: ITB real world track counts??? [message #82536 is a reply to message #82531] |
Mon, 02 April 2007 16:06 |
Chris Ludwig
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Hi Mike,
Track count would be fine but not sure on all the software synths and
effects. That will depend on what they are , how many voices, tec.
For raw audio track count with no effects probably around 60 to 70 @ 24
bit 44.1/48k. About half for 96k.
If the software synths you have are stream s samples from the drive then
this will effects overall track count. If you put your sample libraries
on a separate drive than the audio/project drive then this will help.
If you already have a custom built system then you should really look at
going the Core2 Duo path. It would putting you in the 800 to 1000 price
range and be allot faster.
You would probably be looking at 850 or so for a E6300, Intel brand 975
mobo, dual head video card and 2 gigs ram if you wanted to DYI it.
You will have to remember that with he X2 4400 based system there is
little of no upgrade. It is already st the end of life for the chip and
chip set. You will also have to check to see what chip set Dell is using
on the AMD board. If it is an Nforce4 or Via then forget it.
You would need motherboard, ram , video card, cpu and maybe a new power
supply. You can reuse your case and most all your drives.
There is a price drop happening I think in June for the current Intel
Core2 Duos depending on when you are looking to do the change.
Chris
Mike R. wrote:
> Paris has been an awesome system. I intend to continue working with it,
> but I'm considering an ITB solution to use in addition to Paris. I've
> got some jack to throw at a new computer, but not top dollar -I'm
> thinking maybe 800.00. I haven't checked out a barebones system or what
> it would cost to roll my own, but Dell is selling a system that includes
> an Athlon 64 X2 dual core 4400+. 1 gig of ram. 250gig sata drive. (I'd
> get a separate audio drive.) Anyhoo, I know there's lots of if ands and
> buts, but, any thoughts on what kind of real world track counts are
> possible? Or alternatively, I'm trying to run about five soft synths,
> ten tracks with loops (a la Acid) and 16 - 20 audio tracks --so probably
> at least 10 compressors, a couple of verbs of the auxs, and eq on all
> at least 24 tracks. I'd rather not have to "freeze" anything. Is this
> even approachable with a dual core athlon, or in this price range?
> Thanks!
> MR
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: ITB real world track counts??? [message #82542 is a reply to message #82536] |
Mon, 02 April 2007 18:39 |
Bill Lorentzen
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Saw a pretty good deal on a bare bones core 2 duo at Tiger Direct. Around
$399.
Bill L
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:46118d6d@linux...
> Hi Mike,
> Track count would be fine but not sure on all the software synths and
> effects. That will depend on what they are , how many voices, tec.
>
> For raw audio track count with no effects probably around 60 to 70 @ 24
> bit 44.1/48k. About half for 96k.
>
> If the software synths you have are stream s samples from the drive then
> this will effects overall track count. If you put your sample libraries on
> a separate drive than the audio/project drive then this will help.
>
> If you already have a custom built system then you should really look at
> going the Core2 Duo path. It would putting you in the 800 to 1000 price
> range and be allot faster.
> You would probably be looking at 850 or so for a E6300, Intel brand 975
> mobo, dual head video card and 2 gigs ram if you wanted to DYI it.
>
>
> You will have to remember that with he X2 4400 based system there is
> little of no upgrade. It is already st the end of life for the chip and
> chip set. You will also have to check to see what chip set Dell is using
> on the AMD board. If it is an Nforce4 or Via then forget it.
>
>
> You would need motherboard, ram , video card, cpu and maybe a new power
> supply. You can reuse your case and most all your drives.
>
>
> There is a price drop happening I think in June for the current Intel
> Core2 Duos depending on when you are looking to do the change.
>
> Chris
>
> Mike R. wrote:
>> Paris has been an awesome system. I intend to continue working with it,
>> but I'm considering an ITB solution to use in addition to Paris. I've
>> got some jack to throw at a new computer, but not top dollar -I'm
>> thinking maybe 800.00. I haven't checked out a barebones system or what
>> it would cost to roll my own, but Dell is selling a system that includes
>> an Athlon 64 X2 dual core 4400+. 1 gig of ram. 250gig sata drive. (I'd
>> get a separate audio drive.) Anyhoo, I know there's lots of if ands and
>> buts, but, any thoughts on what kind of real world track counts are
>> possible? Or alternatively, I'm trying to run about five soft synths,
>> ten tracks with loops (a la Acid) and 16 - 20 audio tracks --so probably
>> at least 10 compressors, a couple of verbs of the auxs, and eq on all at
>> least 24 tracks. I'd rather not have to "freeze" anything. Is this even
>> approachable with a dual core athlon, or in this price range? Thanks!
>> MR
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
>
> ADK Pro Audio
> (859) 635-5762
> www.adkproaudio.com
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: ITB real world track counts??? [message #82545 is a reply to message #82542] |
Mon, 02 April 2007 21:11 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
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HI Bill,
Power supply is under powered.
Only 1 PCI-e port so no expansion
no on board firewire
no quad core support
only 2 memory slots.
The configuration I'd recommend runs about 950.00 on Tiger direct.
Good Quality Mid Tower case
Intel E6600
Intel 975XBX2KR motherboard
2 x 1 gig DDR2 667mhz ram
XFX dual dvi fanless video card
Thermaltake 550w power supply
Chris
Bill Lorentzen wrote:
> Saw a pretty good deal on a bare bones core 2 duo at Tiger Direct. Around
> $399.
>
> Bill L
>
> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> news:46118d6d@linux...
>
>> Hi Mike,
>> Track count would be fine but not sure on all the software synths and
>> effects. That will depend on what they are , how many voices, tec.
>>
>> For raw audio track count with no effects probably around 60 to 70 @ 24
>> bit 44.1/48k. About half for 96k.
>>
>> If the software synths you have are stream s samples from the drive then
>> this will effects overall track count. If you put your sample libraries on
>> a separate drive than the audio/project drive then this will help.
>>
>> If you already have a custom built system then you should really look at
>> going the Core2 Duo path. It would putting you in the 800 to 1000 price
>> range and be allot faster.
>> You would probably be looking at 850 or so for a E6300, Intel brand 975
>> mobo, dual head video card and 2 gigs ram if you wanted to DYI it.
>>
>>
>> You will have to remember that with he X2 4400 based system there is
>> little of no upgrade. It is already st the end of life for the chip and
>> chip set. You will also have to check to see what chip set Dell is using
>> on the AMD board. If it is an Nforce4 or Via then forget it.
>>
>>
>> You would need motherboard, ram , video card, cpu and maybe a new power
>> supply. You can reuse your case and most all your drives.
>>
>>
>> There is a price drop happening I think in June for the current Intel
>> Core2 Duos depending on when you are looking to do the change.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Mike R. wrote:
>>
>>> Paris has been an awesome system. I intend to continue working with it,
>>> but I'm considering an ITB solution to use in addition to Paris. I've
>>> got some jack to throw at a new computer, but not top dollar -I'm
>>> thinking maybe 800.00. I haven't checked out a barebones system or what
>>> it would cost to roll my own, but Dell is selling a system that includes
>>> an Athlon 64 X2 dual core 4400+. 1 gig of ram. 250gig sata drive. (I'd
>>> get a separate audio drive.) Anyhoo, I know there's lots of if ands and
>>> buts, but, any thoughts on what kind of real world track counts are
>>> possible? Or alternatively, I'm trying to run about five soft synths,
>>> ten tracks with loops (a la Acid) and 16 - 20 audio tracks --so probably
>>> at least 10 compressors, a couple of verbs of the auxs, and eq on all at
>>> least 24 tracks. I'd rather not have to "freeze" anything. Is this even
>>> approachable with a dual core athlon, or in this price range? Thanks!
>>> MR
>>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>>
>> ADK Pro Audio
>> (859) 635-5762
>> www.adkproaudio.com
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>
>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762
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| Re: ITB real world track counts??? [message #82589 is a reply to message #82545] |
Wed, 04 April 2007 08:46 |
emarenot
Messages: 345
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Thanks Chris, Bill and Dave for the responses. Very helpful. On my
G4 -with 2 gigs of ram, I'm only getting about 20 tracks. Generally 17 of
those are "frozen." Its ok, but at this count the G4 gets quite slow. THe
FSB on that thing really kills it. BUT, I can see the potential of an ITB
solution that would have lots more power.
Peace,
MR
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:4611d521$1@linux...
> HI Bill,
>
> Power supply is under powered.
> Only 1 PCI-e port so no expansion
> no on board firewire
> no quad core support
> only 2 memory slots.
>
> The configuration I'd recommend runs about 950.00 on Tiger direct.
>
> Good Quality Mid Tower case
> Intel E6600
> Intel 975XBX2KR motherboard
> 2 x 1 gig DDR2 667mhz ram
> XFX dual dvi fanless video card
> Thermaltake 550w power supply
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> Bill Lorentzen wrote:
> > Saw a pretty good deal on a bare bones core 2 duo at Tiger Direct.
Around
> > $399.
> >
> > Bill L
> >
> > "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> > news:46118d6d@linux...
> >
> >> Hi Mike,
> >> Track count would be fine but not sure on all the software synths and
> >> effects. That will depend on what they are , how many voices, tec.
> >>
> >> For raw audio track count with no effects probably around 60 to 70 @ 24
> >> bit 44.1/48k. About half for 96k.
> >>
> >> If the software synths you have are stream s samples from the drive
then
> >> this will effects overall track count. If you put your sample libraries
on
> >> a separate drive than the audio/project drive then this will help.
> >>
> >> If you already have a custom built system then you should really look
at
> >> going the Core2 Duo path. It would putting you in the 800 to 1000
price
> >> range and be allot faster.
> >> You would probably be looking at 850 or so for a E6300, Intel brand 975
> >> mobo, dual head video card and 2 gigs ram if you wanted to DYI it.
> >>
> >>
> >> You will have to remember that with he X2 4400 based system there is
> >> little of no upgrade. It is already st the end of life for the chip and
> >> chip set. You will also have to check to see what chip set Dell is
using
> >> on the AMD board. If it is an Nforce4 or Via then forget it.
> >>
> >>
> >> You would need motherboard, ram , video card, cpu and maybe a new power
> >> supply. You can reuse your case and most all your drives.
> >>
> >>
> >> There is a price drop happening I think in June for the current Intel
> >> Core2 Duos depending on when you are looking to do the change.
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
> >> Mike R. wrote:
> >>
> >>> Paris has been an awesome system. I intend to continue working with
it,
> >>> but I'm considering an ITB solution to use in addition to Paris. I've
> >>> got some jack to throw at a new computer, but not top dollar -I'm
> >>> thinking maybe 800.00. I haven't checked out a barebones system or
what
> >>> it would cost to roll my own, but Dell is selling a system that
includes
> >>> an Athlon 64 X2 dual core 4400+. 1 gig of ram. 250gig sata drive.
(I'd
> >>> get a separate audio drive.) Anyhoo, I know there's lots of if ands
and
> >>> buts, but, any thoughts on what kind of real world track counts are
> >>> possible? Or alternatively, I'm trying to run about five soft synths,
> >>> ten tracks with loops (a la Acid) and 16 - 20 audio tracks --so
probably
> >>> at least 10 compressors, a couple of verbs of the auxs, and eq on all
at
> >>> least 24 tracks. I'd rather not have to "freeze" anything. Is this
even
> >>> approachable with a dual core athlon, or in this price range? Thanks!
> >>> MR
> >>>
> >> --
> >> Chris Ludwig
> >>
> >> ADK Pro Audio
> >> (859) 635-5762
> >> www.adkproaudio.com
> >> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
> ADK
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> (859) 635-5762
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| Re: ITB real world track counts??? [message #82599 is a reply to message #82589] |
Wed, 04 April 2007 08:08 |
Neil
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"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Thanks Chris, Bill and Dave for the responses. Very helpful. On my
>G4 -with 2 gigs of ram, I'm only getting about 20 tracks. Generally 17
of
>those are "frozen." Its ok, but at this count the G4 gets quite slow.
THe
>FSB on that thing really kills it. BUT, I can see the potential of an ITB
>solution that would have lots more power.
I'm running track counts well into the 30's & 40's (depending on
the song) without having to freeze too many tracks... a half-
dozen maybe, depending on the plugin's they're using, with an
off-the-shelf Gateway Pentium Dually & 2 gigs of RAM. And this
is at 88.2k/24-bit. Prior to the Gateway I was using another PC
that I had built, but at 2.2Gigs of Athlon 64 single-core it
really just wasn't cutting it after awhile (you know, it's the
old: "the more it's capable of, the more I'm gonna push it"
cycle).
So yeah, you can get some fairly big track counts if
you configure your rig properly.
Neil
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| Re: ITB real world track counts??? [message #82605 is a reply to message #82589] |
Wed, 04 April 2007 10:28 |
EK Sound
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I can see that... the G4 is pretty slow by todays standards. Even
with the slowest current crop of MAC or PC offerings, you should see a
HUGE difference in performance over the G4.
David.
Mike R. wrote:
> Thanks Chris, Bill and Dave for the responses. Very helpful. On my
> G4 -with 2 gigs of ram, I'm only getting about 20 tracks. Generally 17 of
> those are "frozen." Its ok, but at this count the G4 gets quite slow. THe
> FSB on that thing really kills it. BUT, I can see the potential of an ITB
> solution that would have lots more power.
> Peace,
> MR
> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> news:4611d521$1@linux...
>
>>HI Bill,
>>
>>Power supply is under powered.
>>Only 1 PCI-e port so no expansion
>>no on board firewire
>>no quad core support
>>only 2 memory slots.
>>
>>The configuration I'd recommend runs about 950.00 on Tiger direct.
>>
>>Good Quality Mid Tower case
>>Intel E6600
>>Intel 975XBX2KR motherboard
>>2 x 1 gig DDR2 667mhz ram
>>XFX dual dvi fanless video card
>>Thermaltake 550w power supply
>>
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Bill Lorentzen wrote:
>>
>>>Saw a pretty good deal on a bare bones core 2 duo at Tiger Direct.
>
> Around
>
>>>$399.
>>>
>>>Bill L
>>>
>>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>news:46118d6d@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi Mike,
>>>>Track count would be fine but not sure on all the software synths and
>>>>effects. That will depend on what they are , how many voices, tec.
>>>>
>>>>For raw audio track count with no effects probably around 60 to 70 @ 24
>>>>bit 44.1/48k. About half for 96k.
>>>>
>>>>If the software synths you have are stream s samples from the drive
>
> then
>
>>>>this will effects overall track count. If you put your sample libraries
>
> on
>
>>>>a separate drive than the audio/project drive then this will help.
>>>>
>>>>If you already have a custom built system then you should really look
>
> at
>
>>>>going the Core2 Duo path. It would putting you in the 800 to 1000
>
> price
>
>>>>range and be allot faster.
>>>>You would probably be looking at 850 or so for a E6300, Intel brand 975
>>>>mobo, dual head video card and 2 gigs ram if you wanted to DYI it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You will have to remember that with he X2 4400 based system there is
>>>>little of no upgrade. It is already st the end of life for the chip and
>>>>chip set. You will also have to check to see what chip set Dell is
>
> using
>
>>>>on the AMD board. If it is an Nforce4 or Via then forget it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You would need motherboard, ram , video card, cpu and maybe a new power
>>>>supply. You can reuse your case and most all your drives.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>There is a price drop happening I think in June for the current Intel
>>>>Core2 Duos depending on when you are looking to do the change.
>>>>
>>>>Chris
>>>>
>>>>Mike R. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Paris has been an awesome system. I intend to continue working with
>
> it,
>
>>>>>but I'm considering an ITB solution to use in addition to Paris. I've
>>>>>got some jack to throw at a new computer, but not top dollar -I'm
>>>>>thinking maybe 800.00. I haven't checked out a barebones system or
>
> what
>
>>>>>it would cost to roll my own, but Dell is selling a system that
>
> includes
>
>>>>>an Athlon 64 X2 dual core 4400+. 1 gig of ram. 250gig sata drive.
>
> (I'd
>
>>>>>get a separate audio drive.) Anyhoo, I know there's lots of if ands
>
> and
>
>>>>>buts, but, any thoughts on what kind of real world track counts are
>>>>>possible? Or alternatively, I'm trying to run about five soft synths,
>>>>>ten tracks with loops (a la Acid) and 16 - 20 audio tracks --so
>
> probably
>
>>>>>at least 10 compressors, a couple of verbs of the auxs, and eq on all
>
> at
>
>>>>>least 24 tracks. I'd rather not have to "freeze" anything. Is this
>
> even
>
>>>>>approachable with a dual core athlon, or in this price range? Thanks!
>>>>>MR
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>
>>>>ADK Pro Audio
>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>www.adkproaudio.com
>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>Chris Ludwig
>>ADK
>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>(859) 635-5762
>
>
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| Re: ITB real world track counts??? [message #82609 is a reply to message #82589] |
Wed, 04 April 2007 10:45 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
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Mike, what is the speed of your G4? Just curious.
James
"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Thanks Chris, Bill and Dave for the responses. Very helpful. On my
>G4 -with 2 gigs of ram, I'm only getting about 20 tracks. Generally 17
of
>those are "frozen." Its ok, but at this count the G4 gets quite slow.
THe
>FSB on that thing really kills it. BUT, I can see the potential of an ITB
>solution that would have lots more power.
>Peace,
>MR
>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>news:4611d521$1@linux...
>> HI Bill,
>>
>> Power supply is under powered.
>> Only 1 PCI-e port so no expansion
>> no on board firewire
>> no quad core support
>> only 2 memory slots.
>>
>> The configuration I'd recommend runs about 950.00 on Tiger direct.
>>
>> Good Quality Mid Tower case
>> Intel E6600
>> Intel 975XBX2KR motherboard
>> 2 x 1 gig DDR2 667mhz ram
>> XFX dual dvi fanless video card
>> Thermaltake 550w power supply
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill Lorentzen wrote:
>> > Saw a pretty good deal on a bare bones core 2 duo at Tiger Direct.
>Around
>> > $399.
>> >
>> > Bill L
>> >
>> > "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>> > news:46118d6d@linux...
>> >
>> >> Hi Mike,
>> >> Track count would be fine but not sure on all the software synths and
>> >> effects. That will depend on what they are , how many voices, tec.
>> >>
>> >> For raw audio track count with no effects probably around 60 to 70
@ 24
>> >> bit 44.1/48k. About half for 96k.
>> >>
>> >> If the software synths you have are stream s samples from the drive
>then
>> >> this will effects overall track count. If you put your sample libraries
>on
>> >> a separate drive than the audio/project drive then this will help.
>> >>
>> >> If you already have a custom built system then you should really look
>at
>> >> going the Core2 Duo path. It would putting you in the 800 to 1000
>price
>> >> range and be allot faster.
>> >> You would probably be looking at 850 or so for a E6300, Intel brand
975
>> >> mobo, dual head video card and 2 gigs ram if you wanted to DYI it.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> You will have to remember that with he X2 4400 based system there is
>> >> little of no upgrade. It is already st the end of life for the chip
and
>> >> chip set. You will also have to check to see what chip set Dell is
>using
>> >> on the AMD board. If it is an Nforce4 or Via then forget it.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> You would need motherboard, ram , video card, cpu and maybe a new power
>> >> supply. You can reuse your case and most all your drives.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> There is a price drop happening I think in June for the current Intel
>> >> Core2 Duos depending on when you are looking to do the change.
>> >>
>> >> Chris
>> >>
>> >> Mike R. wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Paris has been an awesome system. I intend to continue working with
>it,
>> >>> but I'm considering an ITB solution to use in addition to Paris.
I've
>> >>> got some jack to throw at a new computer, but not top dollar -I'm
>> >>> thinking maybe 800.00. I haven't checked out a barebones system or
>what
>> >>> it would cost to roll my own, but Dell is selling a system that
>includes
>> >>> an Athlon 64 X2 dual core 4400+. 1 gig of ram. 250gig sata drive.
>(I'd
>> >>> get a separate audio drive.) Anyhoo, I know there's lots of if ands
>and
>> >>> buts, but, any thoughts on what kind of real world track counts are
>> >>> possible? Or alternatively, I'm trying to run about five soft synths,
>> >>> ten tracks with loops (a la Acid) and 16 - 20 audio tracks --so
>probably
>> >>> at least 10 compressors, a couple of verbs of the auxs, and eq on
all
>at
>> >>> least 24 tracks. I'd rather not have to "freeze" anything. Is this
>even
>> >>> approachable with a dual core athlon, or in this price range? Thanks!
>> >>> MR
>> >>>
>> >> --
>> >> Chris Ludwig
>> >>
>> >> ADK Pro Audio
>> >> (859) 635-5762
>> >> www.adkproaudio.com
>> >> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>> ADK
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> (859) 635-5762
>
>
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| Re: ITB real world track counts??? [message #82613 is a reply to message #82605] |
Wed, 04 April 2007 12:17 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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HI David,
Also if the G4 is old enough he might just have some real slow drives
that might be bogging stuff down.
Chris
EK Sound wrote:
> I can see that... the G4 is pretty slow by todays standards. Even with
> the slowest current crop of MAC or PC offerings, you should see a HUGE
> difference in performance over the G4.
>
> David.
>
> Mike R. wrote:
>> Thanks Chris, Bill and Dave for the responses. Very helpful. On my
>> G4 -with 2 gigs of ram, I'm only getting about 20 tracks. Generally
>> 17 of
>> those are "frozen." Its ok, but at this count the G4 gets quite
>> slow. THe
>> FSB on that thing really kills it. BUT, I can see the potential of an
>> ITB
>> solution that would have lots more power.
>> Peace,
>> MR
>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>> news:4611d521$1@linux...
>>
>>> HI Bill,
>>>
>>> Power supply is under powered.
>>> Only 1 PCI-e port so no expansion
>>> no on board firewire
>>> no quad core support
>>> only 2 memory slots.
>>>
>>> The configuration I'd recommend runs about 950.00 on Tiger direct.
>>>
>>> Good Quality Mid Tower case
>>> Intel E6600
>>> Intel 975XBX2KR motherboard
>>> 2 x 1 gig DDR2 667mhz ram
>>> XFX dual dvi fanless video card
>>> Thermaltake 550w power supply
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill Lorentzen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Saw a pretty good deal on a bare bones core 2 duo at Tiger Direct.
>>
>> Around
>>
>>>> $399.
>>>>
>>>> Bill L
>>>>
>>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:46118d6d@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>>> Track count would be fine but not sure on all the software synths and
>>>>> effects. That will depend on what they are , how many voices, tec.
>>>>>
>>>>> For raw audio track count with no effects probably around 60 to 70
>>>>> @ 24
>>>>> bit 44.1/48k. About half for 96k.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the software synths you have are stream s samples from the drive
>>
>> then
>>
>>>>> this will effects overall track count. If you put your sample
>>>>> libraries
>>
>> on
>>
>>>>> a separate drive than the audio/project drive then this will help.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you already have a custom built system then you should really look
>>
>> at
>>
>>>>> going the Core2 Duo path. It would putting you in the 800 to 1000
>>
>> price
>>
>>>>> range and be allot faster.
>>>>> You would probably be looking at 850 or so for a E6300, Intel brand
>>>>> 975
>>>>> mobo, dual head video card and 2 gigs ram if you wanted to DYI it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You will have to remember that with he X2 4400 based system there is
>>>>> little of no upgrade. It is already st the end of life for the chip
>>>>> and
>>>>> chip set. You will also have to check to see what chip set Dell is
>>
>> using
>>
>>>>> on the AMD board. If it is an Nforce4 or Via then forget it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You would need motherboard, ram , video card, cpu and maybe a new
>>>>> power
>>>>> supply. You can reuse your case and most all your drives.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a price drop happening I think in June for the current Intel
>>>>> Core2 Duos depending on when you are looking to do the change.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike R. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Paris has been an awesome system. I intend to continue working with
>>
>> it,
>>
>>>>>> but I'm considering an ITB solution to use in addition to Paris.
>>>>>> I've
>>>>>> got some jack to throw at a new computer, but not top dollar -I'm
>>>>>> thinking maybe 800.00. I haven't checked out a barebones system or
>>
>> what
>>
>>>>>> it would cost to roll my own, but Dell is selling a system that
>>
>> includes
>>
>>>>>> an Athlon 64 X2 dual core 4400+. 1 gig of ram. 250gig sata drive.
>>
>> (I'd
>>
>>>>>> get a separate audio drive.) Anyhoo, I know there's lots of if ands
>>
>> and
>>
>>>>>> buts, but, any thoughts on what kind of real world track counts are
>>>>>> possible? Or alternatively, I'm trying to run about five soft
>>>>>> synths,
>>>>>> ten tracks with loops (a la Acid) and 16 - 20 audio tracks --so
>>
>> probably
>>
>>>>>> at least 10 compressors, a couple of verbs of the auxs, and eq on
>>>>>> all
>>
>> at
>>
>>>>>> least 24 tracks. I'd rather not have to "freeze" anything. Is this
>>
>> even
>>
>>>>>> approachable with a dual core athlon, or in this price range? Thanks!
>>>>>> MR
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>
>>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Ludwig
>>> ADK
>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>> (859) 635-5762
>>
>>
>>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: ITB real world track counts??? [message #82617 is a reply to message #82609] |
Wed, 04 April 2007 17:44 |
emarenot
Messages: 345
Registered: June 2005
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Senior Member |
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Hey James
It was originally 800mhz. The guy I bought the system from had put in a new
processor. I believe its rated at 1.7 mhz.
MR
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4613e428$1@linux...
>
> Mike, what is the speed of your G4? Just curious.
>
> James
>
> "Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Thanks Chris, Bill and Dave for the responses. Very helpful. On my
> >G4 -with 2 gigs of ram, I'm only getting about 20 tracks. Generally 17
> of
> >those are "frozen." Its ok, but at this count the G4 gets quite slow.
> THe
> >FSB on that thing really kills it. BUT, I can see the potential of an
ITB
> >solution that would have lots more power.
> >Peace,
> >MR
> >"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> >news:4611d521$1@linux...
> >> HI Bill,
> >>
> >> Power supply is under powered.
> >> Only 1 PCI-e port so no expansion
> >> no on board firewire
> >> no quad core support
> >> only 2 memory slots.
> >>
> >> The configuration I'd recommend runs about 950.00 on Tiger direct.
> >>
> >> Good Quality Mid Tower case
> >> Intel E6600
> >> Intel 975XBX2KR motherboard
> >> 2 x 1 gig DDR2 667mhz ram
> >> XFX dual dvi fanless video card
> >> Thermaltake 550w power supply
> >>
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Bill Lorentzen wrote:
> >> > Saw a pretty good deal on a bare bones core 2 duo at Tiger Direct.
> >Around
> >> > $399.
> >> >
> >> > Bill L
> >> >
> >> > "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:46118d6d@linux...
> >> >
> >> >> Hi Mike,
> >> >> Track count would be fine but not sure on all the software synths
and
> >> >> effects. That will depend on what they are , how many voices, tec.
> >> >>
> >> >> For raw audio track count with no effects probably around 60 to 70
> @ 24
> >> >> bit 44.1/48k. About half for 96k.
> >> >>
> >> >> If the software synths you have are stream s samples from the drive
> >then
> >> >> this will effects overall track count. If you put your sample
libraries
> >on
> >> >> a separate drive than the audio/project drive then this will help.
> >> >>
> >> >> If you already have a custom built system then you should really
look
> >at
> >> >> going the Core2 Duo path. It would putting you in the 800 to 1000
> >price
> >> >> range and be allot faster.
> >> >> You would probably be looking at 850 or so for a E6300, Intel brand
> 975
> >> >> mobo, dual head video card and 2 gigs ram if you wanted to DYI it.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> You will have to remember that with he X2 4400 based system there is
> >> >> little of no upgrade. It is already st the end of life for the chip
> and
> >> >> chip set. You will also have to check to see what chip set Dell is
> >using
> >> >> on the AMD board. If it is an Nforce4 or Via then forget it.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> You would need motherboard, ram , video card, cpu and maybe a new
power
> >> >> supply. You can reuse your case and most all your drives.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> There is a price drop happening I think in June for the current
Intel
> >> >> Core2 Duos depending on when you are looking to do the change.
> >> >>
> >> >> Chris
> >> >>
> >> >> Mike R. wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Paris has been an awesome system. I intend to continue working
with
> >it,
> >> >>> but I'm considering an ITB solution to use in addition to Paris.
> I've
> >> >>> got some jack to throw at a new computer, but not top dollar -I'm
> >> >>> thinking maybe 800.00. I haven't checked out a barebones system or
> >what
> >> >>> it would cost to roll my own, but Dell is selling a system that
> >includes
> >> >>> an Athlon 64 X2 dual core 4400+. 1 gig of ram. 250gig sata drive.
> >(I'd
> >> >>> get a separate audio drive.) Anyhoo, I know there's lots of if
ands
> >and
> >> >>> buts, but, any thoughts on what kind of real world track counts are
> >> >>> possible? Or alternatively, I'm trying to run about five soft
synths,
> >> >>> ten tracks with loops (a la Acid) and 16 - 20 audio tracks --so
> >probably
> >> >>> at least 10 compressors, a couple of verbs of the auxs, and eq on
> all
> >at
> >> >>> least 24 tracks. I'd rather not have to "freeze" anything. Is
this
> >even
> >> >>> approachable with a dual core athlon, or in this price range?
Thanks!
> >> >>> MR
> >> >>>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Chris Ludwig
> >> >>
> >> >> ADK Pro Audio
> >> >> (859) 635-5762
> >> >> www.adkproaudio.com
> >> >> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Chris Ludwig
> >> ADK
> >> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> >> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> >> (859) 635-5762
> >
> >
>
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| Re: ITB real world track counts??? [message #82620 is a reply to message #82617] |
Wed, 04 April 2007 15:54 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
|
Senior Member |
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What software are you running that only gives you 20 tracks?
"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Hey James
>It was originally 800mhz. The guy I bought the system from had put in a
new
>processor. I believe its rated at 1.7 mhz.
>MR
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:4613e428$1@linux...
>>
>> Mike, what is the speed of your G4? Just curious.
>>
>> James
>>
>> "Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >Thanks Chris, Bill and Dave for the responses. Very helpful. On my
>> >G4 -with 2 gigs of ram, I'm only getting about 20 tracks. Generally
17
>> of
>> >those are "frozen." Its ok, but at this count the G4 gets quite slow.
>> THe
>> >FSB on that thing really kills it. BUT, I can see the potential of an
>ITB
>> >solution that would have lots more power.
>> >Peace,
>> >MR
>> >"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>> >news:4611d521$1@linux...
>> >> HI Bill,
>> >>
>> >> Power supply is under powered.
>> >> Only 1 PCI-e port so no expansion
>> >> no on board firewire
>> >> no quad core support
>> >> only 2 memory slots.
>> >>
>> >> The configuration I'd recommend runs about 950.00 on Tiger direct.
>> >>
>> >> Good Quality Mid Tower case
>> >> Intel E6600
>> >> Intel 975XBX2KR motherboard
>> >> 2 x 1 gig DDR2 667mhz ram
>> >> XFX dual dvi fanless video card
>> >> Thermaltake 550w power supply
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Chris
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Bill Lorentzen wrote:
>> >> > Saw a pretty good deal on a bare bones core 2 duo at Tiger Direct.
>> >Around
>> >> > $399.
>> >> >
>> >> > Bill L
>> >> >
>> >> > "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:46118d6d@linux...
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hi Mike,
>> >> >> Track count would be fine but not sure on all the software synths
>and
>> >> >> effects. That will depend on what they are , how many voices, tec.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> For raw audio track count with no effects probably around 60 to
70
>> @ 24
>> >> >> bit 44.1/48k. About half for 96k.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If the software synths you have are stream s samples from the drive
>> >then
>> >> >> this will effects overall track count. If you put your sample
>libraries
>> >on
>> >> >> a separate drive than the audio/project drive then this will help.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If you already have a custom built system then you should really
>look
>> >at
>> >> >> going the Core2 Duo path. It would putting you in the 800 to 1000
>> >price
>> >> >> range and be allot faster.
>> >> >> You would probably be looking at 850 or so for a E6300, Intel brand
>> 975
>> >> >> mobo, dual head video card and 2 gigs ram if you wanted to DYI it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You will have to remember that with he X2 4400 based system there
is
>> >> >> little of no upgrade. It is already st the end of life for the chip
>> and
>> >> >> chip set. You will also have to check to see what chip set Dell
is
>> >using
>> >> >> on the AMD board. If it is an Nforce4 or Via then forget it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You would need motherboard, ram , video card, cpu and maybe a new
>power
>> >> >> supply. You can reuse your case and most all your drives.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> There is a price drop happening I think in June for the current
>Intel
>> >> >> Core2 Duos depending on when you are looking to do the change.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Chris
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Mike R. wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Paris has been an awesome system. I intend to continue working
>with
>> >it,
>> >> >>> but I'm considering an ITB solution to use in addition to Paris.
>> I've
>> >> >>> got some jack to throw at a new computer, but not top dollar -I'm
>> >> >>> thinking maybe 800.00. I haven't checked out a barebones system
or
>> >what
>> >> >>> it would cost to roll my own, but Dell is selling a system that
>> >includes
>> >> >>> an Athlon 64 X2 dual core 4400+. 1 gig of ram. 250gig sata drive.
>> >(I'd
>> >> >>> get a separate audio drive.) Anyhoo, I know there's lots of if
>ands
>> >and
>> >> >>> buts, but, any thoughts on what kind of real world track counts
are
>> >> >>> possible? Or alternatively, I'm trying to run about five soft
>synths,
>> >> >>> ten tracks with loops (a la Acid) and 16 - 20 audio tracks --so
>> >probably
>> >> >>> at least 10 compressors, a couple of verbs of the auxs, and eq
on
>> all
>> >at
>> >> >>> least 24 tracks. I'd rather not have to "freeze" anything. Is
>this
>> >even
>> >> >>> approachable with a dual core athlon, or in this price range?
>Thanks!
>> >> >>> MR
>> >> >>>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Chris Ludwig
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ADK Pro Audio
>> >> >> (859) 635-5762
>> >> >> www.adkproaudio.com
>> >> >> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Chris Ludwig
>> >> ADK
>> >> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> >> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> >> (859) 635-5762
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
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| Re: ITB real world track counts??? [message #82622 is a reply to message #82620] |
Wed, 04 April 2007 15:53 |
EK Sound
Messages: 939
Registered: June 2005
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Senior Member |
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OS9??? ;-)
David.
James McCloskey wrote:
> What software are you running that only gives you 20 tracks?
>
> "Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Hey James
>>It was originally 800mhz. The guy I bought the system from had put in a
>
> new
>
>>processor. I believe its rated at 1.7 mhz.
>>MR
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:4613e428$1@linux...
>>
>>>Mike, what is the speed of your G4? Just curious.
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Thanks Chris, Bill and Dave for the responses. Very helpful. On my
>>>>G4 -with 2 gigs of ram, I'm only getting about 20 tracks. Generally
>
> 17
>
>>>of
>>>
>>>>those are "frozen." Its ok, but at this count the G4 gets quite slow.
>>>
>>>THe
>>>
>>>>FSB on that thing really kills it. BUT, I can see the potential of an
>>
>>ITB
>>
>>>>solution that would have lots more power.
>>>>Peace,
>>>>MR
>>>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:4611d521$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>>HI Bill,
>>>>>
>>>>>Power supply is under powered.
>>>>>Only 1 PCI-e port so no expansion
>>>>>no on board firewire
>>>>>no quad core support
>>>>>only 2 memory slots.
>>>>>
>>>>>The configuration I'd recommend runs about 950.00 on Tiger direct.
>>>>>
>>>>>Good Quality Mid Tower case
>>>>>Intel E6600
>>>>>Intel 975XBX2KR motherboard
>>>>>2 x 1 gig DDR2 667mhz ram
>>>>>XFX dual dvi fanless video card
>>>>>Thermaltake 550w power supply
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Bill Lorentzen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Saw a pretty good deal on a bare bones core 2 duo at Tiger Direct.
>>>>
>>>>Around
>>>>
>>>>>>$399.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Bill L
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:46118d6d@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi Mike,
>>>>>>>Track count would be fine but not sure on all the software synths
>>
>>and
>>
>>>>>>>effects. That will depend on what they are , how many voices, tec.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>For raw audio track count with no effects probably around 60 to
>
> 70
>
>>>@ 24
>>>
>>>>>>>bit 44.1/48k. About half for 96k.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If the software synths you have are stream s samples from the drive
>>>>
>>>>then
>>>>
>>>>>>>this will effects overall track count. If you put your sample
>>
>>libraries
>>
>>>>on
>>>>
>>>>>>>a separate drive than the audio/project drive then this will help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you already have a custom built system then you should really
>>
>>look
>>
>>>>at
>>>>
>>>>>>>going the Core2 Duo path. It would putting you in the 800 to 1000
>>>>
>>>>price
>>>>
>>>>>>>range and be allot faster.
>>>>>>>You would probably be looking at 850 or so for a E6300, Intel brand
>>>
>>>975
>>>
>>>>>>>mobo, dual head video card and 2 gigs ram if you wanted to DYI it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You will have to remember that with he X2 4400 based system there
>
> is
>
>>>>>>>little of no upgrade. It is already st the end of life for the chip
>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>>>>>chip set. You will also have to check to see what chip set Dell
>
> is
>
>>>>using
>>>>
>>>>>>>on the AMD board. If it is an Nforce4 or Via then forget it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You would need motherboard, ram , video card, cpu and maybe a new
>>
>>power
>>
>>>>>>>supply. You can reuse your case and most all your drives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There is a price drop happening I think in June for the current
>>
>>Intel
>>
>>>>>>>Core2 Duos depending on when you are looking to do the change.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mike R. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Paris has been an awesome system. I intend to continue working
>>
>>with
>>
>>>>it,
>>>>
>>>>>>>>but I'm considering an ITB solution to use in addition to Paris.
>>>
>>>I've
>>>
>>>>>>>>got some jack to throw at a new computer, but not top dollar -I'm
>>>>>>>>thinking maybe 800.00. I haven't checked out a barebones system
>
> or
>
>>>>what
>>>>
>>>>>>>>it would cost to roll my own, but Dell is selling a system that
>>>>
>>>>includes
>>>>
>>>>>>>>an Athlon 64 X2 dual core 4400+. 1 gig of ram. 250gig sata drive.
>>>>
>>>>(I'd
>>>>
>>>>>>>>get a separate audio drive.) Anyhoo, I know there's lots of if
>>
>>ands
>>
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>>>>>>buts, but, any thoughts on what kind of real world track counts
>
> are
>
>>>>>>>>possible? Or alternatively, I'm trying to run about five soft
>>
>>synths,
>>
>>>>>>>>ten tracks with loops (a la Acid) and 16 - 20 audio tracks --so
>>>>
>>>>probably
>>>>
>>>>>>>>at least 10 compressors, a couple of verbs of the auxs, and eq
>
> on
>
>>>all
>>>
>>>>at
>>>>
>>>>>>>>least 24 tracks. I'd rather not have to "freeze" anything. Is
>>
>>this
>>
>>>>even
>>>>
>>>>>>>>approachable with a dual core athlon, or in this price range?
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>>>>>>>MR
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>ADK Pro Audio
>>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com
>>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>ADK
>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>(859) 635-5762
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| Re: ITB real world track counts??? [message #82667 is a reply to message #82622] |
Thu, 05 April 2007 11:17 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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hahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!
dood!!!!
"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:46142d75$1@linux...
> OS9??? ;-)
>
> David.
>
> James McCloskey wrote:
>> What software are you running that only gives you 20 tracks?
>>
>> "Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Hey James
>>>It was originally 800mhz. The guy I bought the system from had put in a
>>
>> new
>>
>>>processor. I believe its rated at 1.7 mhz.
>>>MR
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:4613e428$1@linux...
>>>
>>>>Mike, what is the speed of your G4? Just curious.
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Thanks Chris, Bill and Dave for the responses. Very helpful. On my
>>>>>G4 -with 2 gigs of ram, I'm only getting about 20 tracks. Generally
>>
>> 17
>>
>>>>of
>>>>
>>>>>those are "frozen." Its ok, but at this count the G4 gets quite slow.
>>>>
>>>>THe
>>>>
>>>>>FSB on that thing really kills it. BUT, I can see the potential of an
>>>
>>>ITB
>>>
>>>>>solution that would have lots more power.
>>>>>Peace,
>>>>>MR
>>>>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:4611d521$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>>HI Bill,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Power supply is under powered.
>>>>>>Only 1 PCI-e port so no expansion
>>>>>>no on board firewire
>>>>>>no quad core support
>>>>>>only 2 memory slots.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The configuration I'd recommend runs about 950.00 on Tiger direct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Good Quality Mid Tower case
>>>>>>Intel E6600
>>>>>>Intel 975XBX2KR motherboard
>>>>>>2 x 1 gig DDR2 667mhz ram
>>>>>>XFX dual dvi fanless video card
>>>>>>Thermaltake 550w power supply
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Bill Lorentzen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Saw a pretty good deal on a bare bones core 2 duo at Tiger Direct.
>>>>>
>>>>>Around
>>>>>
>>>>>>>$399.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Bill L
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:46118d6d@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi Mike,
>>>>>>>>Track count would be fine but not sure on all the software synths
>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>>>>>>effects. That will depend on what they are , how many voices, tec.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>For raw audio track count with no effects probably around 60 to
>>
>> 70
>>
>>>>@ 24
>>>>
>>>>>>>>bit 44.1/48k. About half for 96k.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If the software synths you have are stream s samples from the drive
>>>>>
>>>>>then
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>this will effects overall track count. If you put your sample
>>>
>>>libraries
>>>
>>>>>on
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>a separate drive than the audio/project drive then this will help.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If you already have a custom built system then you should really
>>>
>>>look
>>>
>>>>>at
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>going the Core2 Duo path. It would putting you in the 800 to 1000
>>>>>
>>>>>price
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>range and be allot faster.
>>>>>>>>You would probably be looking at 850 or so for a E6300, Intel brand
>>>>
>>>>975
>>>>
>>>>>>>>mobo, dual head video card and 2 gigs ram if you wanted to DYI it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You will have to remember that with he X2 4400 based system there
>>
>> is
>>
>>>>>>>>little of no upgrade. It is already st the end of life for the chip
>>>>
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>>>>>>chip set. You will also have to check to see what chip set Dell
>>
>> is
>>
>>>>>using
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>on the AMD board. If it is an Nforce4 or Via then forget it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You would need motherboard, ram , video card, cpu and maybe a new
>>>
>>>power
>>>
>>>>>>>>supply. You can reuse your case and most all your drives.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>There is a price drop happening I think in June for the current
>>>
>>>Intel
>>>
>>>>>>>>Core2 Duos depending on when you are looking to do the change.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Mike R. wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Paris has been an awesome system. I intend to continue working
>>>
>>>with
>>>
>>>>>it,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>but I'm considering an ITB solution to use in addition to Paris.
>>>>
>>>>I've
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>got some jack to throw at a new computer, but not top dollar -I'm
>>>>>>>>>thinking maybe 800.00. I haven't checked out a barebones system
>>
>> or
>>
>>>>>what
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>it would cost to roll my own, but Dell is selling a system that
>>>>>
>>>>>includes
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>an Athlon 64 X2 dual core 4400+. 1 gig of ram. 250gig sata drive.
>>>>>
>>>>>(I'd
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>get a separate audio drive.) Anyhoo, I know there's lots of if
>>>
>>>ands
>>>
>>>>>and
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>buts, but, any thoughts on what kind of real world track counts
>>
>> are
>>
>>>>>>>>>possible? Or alternatively, I'm trying to run about five soft
>>>
>>>synths,
>>>
>>>>>>>>>ten tracks with loops (a la Acid) and 16 - 20 audio tracks --so
>>>>>
>>>>>probably
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>at least 10 compressors, a couple of verbs of the auxs, and eq
>>
>> on
>>
>>>>all
>>>>
>>>>>at
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>least 24 tracks. I'd rather not have to "freeze" anything. Is
>>>
>>>this
>>>
>>>>>even
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>approachable with a dual core athlon, or in this price range?
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>>>
>>>>>>>>>MR
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>ADK Pro Audio
>>>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com
>>>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
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