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| Re: New Toys? [message #61956 is a reply to message #61947] |
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tems than any other company!
I wouldn't call that insignificant. Your version of UNIX maybe more efficient
and more robust as a net work server than Mac OS, however that isn't what
Mac OS was geared for. It's nothing more than a pissing match, to say Mac
OSX is inefficient compared to some other version of UNIX, but at what?
You can say that another version of UNIX is better than Mac OSX, but at what???
It's not as usable as a Mac. Certainly not for A/V, multi media! Isn't
that where the computing world is going???
Mac OSX is geared for personal computing, which in my opinion is the best
OS for general, personal, and multi media computing. It's intuitive, user
friendly, easy to use, and it's not a PITA to run and maintain like other
systems! Apple made it easy on you, you don't have to hack it, or write
your own software, but you can if you want. Maybe some day Yellow Dog/Linux
will be able to keep up or surpass Mac OSX when it comes to A/V, multi media
production, but not today. Mac OSX is much more usable, and user friendly
for the majority of computer users than any other form of UNIX.
Apple is and will continue to be a great and innovative computer company,
regardless of what people like you say.
It's too bad some people wont let the facts get in the way of their opinion.
It's not Apple that is the Borg, it's the alternative.
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>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>
>>You may want to ask Dell to make you a laptop without paying for the OS,
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| Re: New Toys? [message #61957 is a reply to message #61956] |
Wed, 28 December 2005 13:47 |
Tony Benson
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gt;>since they are a hardware company. Apple is an integrated HW/SW company
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>>(call them what you wish, they do what they do) so that wouldn't be
>>their thing.
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>>Macworld expo is next month, just after the big Intel announcements.
>>Should be an interesting month.
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>TCB wrote:
>>> As far as what Apple is, I'll stick by what I said. I apply the same
logic
>>> I use to individuals and other companies--you are where you make you
living.
>>> I was a writer for two years because I made a living writing. Now I'm
>a computer
>>> tech, and if I write three novels this year and publish twenty articles
>I'm
>>> still a computer tech as long as I'm cashing checks to pay my rent. By
>this
>>> logic Apple is an iPod company--that's where the margin is, that's where
>>> they make a market leading product, and that's where their future is,
>or
>>> of course isn't. Steve Jobs is obviously a brilliant fellow but now he's
>>> out there competing with the biggest of the bigs, Sony, Microsoft (M$oft
>>> could give a rip about 5% of the desktop market, but they sure look like
>>> they're not laying down on the video front), Comcast, etc.
>>>
>>> As an aside, by this logic Ford and GM are finance companies not car
manufacturers.
>>> Save a few high end models and trucks their cars are loss leaders for
>the
>>> loands they sell people, so that makes them a finance company as far
as
>I'm
>>> concerned. And if you want a real hoot go find out what percentage of
>profits
>>> (not income, profits) the Playstation is for Sony's consumer electronics
>>> division.
>>>
>>> But I digress. I read most of those articles and they seem to offer some
>>> possible alternatives to why OS X on Intel could be so much faster than
>on
>>> PPC. I still would vote for kernel changes, though thouse articles argue
>>> against it, but according to those pieces the problem is mostly that
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| Re: New Toys? [message #61958 is a reply to message #61957] |
Wed, 28 December 2005 14:42 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
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the
>>> compilers are really, really, really bad. It's not surprising that Apple
>>> wouldn't want to improve gcc, it's GPL'd and Apple prefers BSD licensed
>code
>>> it can outright steal, but it is surprising that apparently CodeWarrior
>is
>>> the best option and it's not exactly the best compiler in the world either.
>>>
>>>
>>> In any case, it looks like after all of those Photoshop bakeoffs through
>>> the years OS X users can look forward to a much faster computing environment.
>>>
>>>
>>> And yes, it's silly that I have to pay for a Windows license when I buy
>a
>>> laptop. Do you suppose Apple would knock $75 off of an iBook for me so
>I
>>> can put Yellow Dog on it?
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Another way of putting it is that Apple is a computer company with a
>>>>strong presence in the creative community, building a parallel business
>>>
>>>
>>>>around the marketing of creative works. There's a synergy between the
>
>>>>two lines that seems to be helping both.
>>>>
>>>>BTW, it's ridiculous to have to pay for either MacOSX or WiXP if what
>
>>>>you really want is a Linux box.
>>>>
>>>>How hard is it to make your app run on both PPC and Intel OSX? With
>>>>Rosetta it may already run unchanged.
>>>>
>>>>From the "Universal Binary Programming Guidelines":
>>>>
>>>>"Rosetta is a translation process that runs a PowerPC binary on an
>>>>Macintosh using an Intel microprocessor—it allows applications to run
>as
>>>
>>>
>>>>nonnative binaries. Many, but not all, applications can run translated.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Applications that run translated will never run as fast as they run as
>a
>>>
>>>
>>>>native binary because the translation process itself incurs a processing
>>>
>>>
>>>>cost. How compatible your application is with Rosetta depends on the
>>>>type of application. Applications that have a lot of user interaction
>
>>>>and low computational needs, such as a word processor, are quite
>>>>compatible. Those that have a moderate amount of user interaction and
>
>>>>some high computational needs or that use OpenGL are, in most cases,
>>>>also quite compatible. Those that have intense computing needs aren’t
>
>>>>compatible. This includes applications t
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| Re: New Toys? [message #61962 is a reply to message #61958] |
Wed, 28 December 2005 15:15 |
Tony Benson
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le as a Mac. Certainly not for A/V, multi media! Isn't
>> that where the computing world is going???
>>
>> Mac OSX is geared for personal computing, which in my opinion is the
best
>> OS for general, personal, and multi media computing. It's intuitive,
user
>> friendly, easy to use, and it's not a PITA to run and maintain like other
>> systems! Apple made it easy on you, you don't have to hack it, or write
>> your own software, but you can if you want. Maybe some day Yellow
>> Dog/Linux
>> will be able to keep up or surpass Mac OSX when it comes to A/V, multi
>> media
>> production, but not today. Mac OSX is much more usable, and user
>> friendly
>> for the majority of computer users than any other form of UNIX.
>>
>> Apple is and will continue to be a great and innovative computer company,
>> regardless of what people like you say.
>>
>> It's too bad some people wont let the facts get in the way of their
>> opinion.
>>
>> It's not Apple that is the Borg, it's the alternative.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>You may want to ask Dell to make you a laptop without paying for the
OS,
>>>
>>>>since they are a hardware company. Apple is an integrated HW/SW company
>>>
>>>>(call them what you wish, they do what they do) so that wouldn't be
>>>>their thing.
>>>>
>>>>Macworld expo is next month, just after the big Intel announcements.
>>>>Should be an interesting month.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>> As far as what Apple is, I'll stick by what I said. I apply the same
>> logic
>>>>> I use to individuals and other companies--you are where you make you
>> living.
>>>>> I was a writer for two years because I made a living writing. Now I'm
>>>a computer
>>>>> tech, and if I write three novels this year and publish twenty articles
>>>I'm
>>>>> still a computer tech as long as I'm cashing checks to pay my rent.
By
>>>this
>>>>> logic Apple is an iPod company--that's where the margin is, that's
>>>>> where
>>>>> they make a market leading product, and that's where their future is,
>>>or
>>>>> of course isn't. Steve Jobs is obviously a brilliant fellow but now
>>>>> he's
>>>>> out there competing with the biggest of the bigs, Sony, Microsoft
>>>>> (M$oft
>>>>> could give a rip about 5% of the desktop market, but they sure look
>>>>> like
>>>>> they're not laying down on the video front), Comcast, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> As an aside, by this logic Ford and GM are finance companies not car
>> manufacturers.
>>>>> Save a few high end models and trucks their cars are loss leaders for
>>>the
>>>>> loands they sell people, so that makes them a finance company as far
>>
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| Re: New Toys? [message #61967 is a reply to message #61958] |
Wed, 28 December 2005 16:44 |
Mark McDermott
Messages: 204
Registered: February 2006
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f UNIX, but at what?
>>>You can say that another version of UNIX is better than Mac OSX, but at
>
>
>>>what???
>>>It's not as usable as a Mac. Certainly not for A/V, multi media! Isn't
>>>that where the computing world is going???
>>>
>>> Mac OSX is geared for personal computing, which in my opinion is the
>
> best
>
>>>OS for general, personal, and multi media computing. It's intuitive,
>
> user
>
>>>friendly, easy to use, and it's not a PITA to run and maintain like other
>>>systems! Apple made it easy on you, you don't have to hack it, or write
>>>your own software, but you can if you want. Maybe some day Yellow
>>>Dog/Linux
>>>will be able to keep up or surpass Mac OSX when it comes to A/V, multi
>
>
>>>media
>>>production, but not today. Mac OSX is much more usable, and user
>>>friendly
>>>for the majority of computer users than any other form of UNIX.
>>>
>>>Apple is and will continue to be a great and innovative computer company,
>>>regardless of what people like you say.
>>>
>>>It's too bad some people wont let the facts get in the way of their
>>>opinion.
>>>
>>>It's not Apple that is the Borg, it's the alternative.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>You may want to ask Dell to make you a laptop without paying for the
>
> OS,
>
>>>>>since they are a hardware company. Apple is an integrated HW/SW company
>>>>
>>>>>(call them what you wish, they do what they do) so that wouldn't be
>>>>>their thing.
>>>>>
>>>>>Macworld expo is next month, just after the big Intel announcements.
>>>>>Should be an interesting month.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>As far as what Apple is, I'll stick by what I said. I apply the same
>>>
>>>logic
>>>
>>>>>>I use to individuals and other companies--you are where you make you
>>>
>>>living.
>>>
>>>>>>I was a writer for two years because I made a living writing. Now I'm
>>>>
>>>>a computer
>>>>
>>>>>>tech, and if I write three novels this year and publish twenty articles
>>>>
>>>>I'm
>>>>
>>>>>>still a computer tech as long as I'm cashing checks to pay my rent.
>
> By
>
>>>>this
>>>>
>>>>>>logic Apple is an iPod company--that's where the margin is, that's
>
>
>>>>>>where
>>>>>>they make a market leading product, and that's where their future is,
>>>>
>>
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| Re: New Toys? [message #61973 is a reply to message #61967] |
Wed, 28 December 2005 17:17 |
Deej [1]
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;>> I'm guessing it will be fairly easy as long as developers have been
>>> playing
>>> by the rules.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>
>>
>I hear ya. I haven't gone for an iPod but the dual G5 PowerMac with OSX
and a pile of amazing media software has earned a place as a major part
of my current toolset.
Wish we still had a few more choices. Glad we still have this one.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
James McCloskey wrote:
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>>I don't mind criticisms of any particular equipment, computers included.
>
>
>> It's just gear. Sometimes criticisms are valid and useful and I learn
>
>
>>something, sometimes they're exaggerated and I still learn something.
>>Sometimes it's mostly FUD. And I may still learn something.
>>
>>In any case my gear keeps doing what it does. In ten years I'll be using
>
>
>>something else and looking fondly back at the good old days, or laughing
>
>
>>about them.
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>
>
> I'm with you Jamie, but there is a difference between criticisms and bashing.
> The post wasn't originally about what is better than what. Everybody has
> a right to their opinion, and criticisms that are on subject, but when it's
> bashing at every opportunity, it gets old. First the G5 sucks it slow, then
> Mac OSX sucks because it's inefficient as a network server. Then Apple sucks
> as a company, they made bad decisions. Then The iPod sucks because their
> 5th generation iPod screen scratches easy and it sucks because even though
> it sounds good and it's the number one selling mp3 player it sucks because
> something out there sounds better. It's all just finding something to bash
> the Mac with, even though they don't use Macs and really wouldn't know.
> Everything sucks about Apple, right???
>
> I'm a multi platform user, so I can speak to some things. I have criticisms
> of Apple and the Mac, but I use it every day. I don't just run with what
> somebody else said about it, then repeat the criticisms, like I know all
> about it. I don't take second hand info and swear it's gospel, I know first
> hand.
>
>
>
>
>>
>>James McCloskey wrote:
>>
>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>James wrote..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>The iPod is a great product, but it is a fact, there is a lot more people
>>>>
>>>>using Apple computers, than there are using Apple iPods. That would make
>>>>Apple, a computer company. <<
>>>>
>>>>Is that true?
>>>>Would've thought there were more iPods than Macs.
>>>>
>>>>BTW, lets keep this thread civil, huh?
>>>>--
>>>>Martin Harrington
>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Every time there is any post about Apple
>
> or
>
>>>Mac OSX the bashing starts from people that don't use Macs. It's getting
>>>uncivil. Some of the people here have chosen Macs as there platform of
>
> choice.
>
>>> Mac bashing is down right insulting to some of us, and it's getting
>
> old!
>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:43b317ba$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>&g
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| Re: New Toys? [message #61979 is a reply to message #61971] |
Wed, 28 December 2005 21:53 |
Tony Benson
Messages: 453
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le that is the Borg, it's the alternative.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>You may want to ask Dell to make you a laptop without paying for the
OS,
>>>
>>>>since they are a hardware company. Apple is an integrated HW/SW company
>>>
>>>>(call them what you wish, they do what they do) so that wouldn't be
>>>>their thing.
>>>>
>>>>Macworld expo is next month, just after the big Intel announcements.
>>>>Should be an interesting month.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>> As far as what Apple is, I'll stick by what I said. I apply the same
>>logic
>>>>> I use to individuals and other companies--you are where you make you
>>living.
>>>>> I was a writer for two years because I made a living writing. Now I'm
>>>a computer
>>>>> tech, and if I write three novels this year and publish twenty articles
>>>I'm
>>>>> still a computer tech as long as I'm cashing checks to pay my rent.
>By
>>>this
>>>>> logic Apple is an iPod company--that's where the margin is, that's
where
>>>>> they make a market leading product, and that's where their future is,
>>>or
>>>>> of course isn't. Steve Jobs is obviously a brilliant fellow but now
>he's
>>>>> out there competing with the biggest of the bigs, Sony, Microsoft (M$oft
>>>>> could give a rip about 5% of the desktop market, but they sure look
>like
>>>>> they're not laying down on the video front), Comcast, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> As an aside, by this logic Ford and GM are finance companies not car
>>manufacturers.
>>>>> Save a few high end models and trucks their cars are loss leaders for
>>>the
>>>>> loands they sell people, so that makes them a finance company as far
>>as
>>>I'm
>>>>> concerned. And if you want a real hoot go find out what percentage
of
>>>profits
>>>>> (not income, profits) the Playstation is for Sony's consumer electronics
>>>>> division.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I digress. I read most of those articles and they seem to
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| Re: New Toys? [message #62006 is a reply to message #61979] |
Thu, 29 December 2005 10:12 |
Nappy
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r />
>>>So this is the cause of the Blue Screen OF Death at shut down? I also
>
> have
>
>>>an issue woth closing paris.
>>>I have to turn my comp off at the button.
>>>Can you explain to a windows novice how to check this?
>>>thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>gotcha, thanks
>>>>
>>>>Rod Lincoln wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>it's the default path of the subsystem installer. Make sure that's where
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Paris app resides. If you hvae version 3, it most likely is. If you have
>>>>>version 2, it's in the ensoniq folder.
>>>>>Rod
>>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>What's the EMU directory thing ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Martin Harrington wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That sounds right, but I'm going from memory here as I don't have Paris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>anymore and haven't used it for about 2 years.
>>>>>>>Don't forget the Emu directory thing though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>I just added a second eds 1000 card and want to have a mixer with 32
channels instead of two at 16. Also want to load more effects on the global
master. I know it's probably simple, but I can't make it happen. Thanks.... and you couldn't spend a fortune, what would it be?
Thanks,
JonFMR RNP. Getting decent sound out of a studio projects VTB1, if you want
to go really cheap.
"Jon Jiles" <no@nomo.com> wrote in message news:43b4287f$1@linux...
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> .. and you couldn't spend a fortune, what would it be?
>
> Thanks,
> JonNOT POSSIBLE.
Sorry, but that's it.
Adding more cards you can have more submixes in "card" possition.
Every card has its own 16 channel mixer and own DSP fx and fx returns.
Output of all submixes (cards) are summed together and output
to master card mix and control room outputs. Master FX are related to
master card only and therefore affects master card DSP chips only. (6 per
card)
Even aux sends are NOT summed across all submixes (cards).
That is advantage, but in some cases BIG disadvantage.
And finally, no cross conections between different cards and MEC's
are possible in PARIS patchbay. That is worse of all.
Cheers.
Suad
"RK" <kent510745@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:43b42516@linux
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