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Computer upgrade time (so soon) [message #64932]

Sat, 25 February 2006 04:39

Don Nafe

Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005

Senior Member

Hi all

I have a couple of projects coming up that are going to be using huge track
counts in the beginning stages and although virtual tracks are nice they
really are a PITA.

So the question is - for a four EDS Card set up is their a MB / CPU
combination out there that works with paris that would allow the addition of
a UAD1 card (making five slots total) or should I start looking at a magma
chassis for this setup?

Don

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Re: Computer upgrade time (so soon) [message #64933 is a reply to message #64932]

Sat, 25 February 2006 05:35

Don Nafe

Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005

Senior Member

Oh and while I'm asking...best video card(s) for a four monitor setup

DOn

"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:44005187@linux...
> Hi all
>
> I have a couple of projects coming up that are going to be using huge
> track counts in the beginning stages and although virtual tracks are nice
> they really are a PITA.
>
> So the question is - for a four EDS Card set up is their a MB / CPU
> combination out there that works with paris that would allow the addition
> of a UAD1 card (making five slots total) or should I start looking at a
> magma chassis for this setup?
>
>
> Don
>

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Re: Computer upgrade time (so soon) [message #64935 is a reply to message #64933]

Sat, 25 February 2006 08:19

Chris Ludwig

Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006

Senior Member

Hi Don,
I would get a magma no matter what setup you use if you are doing a 4
card system.
If you can still find them the Gigabyte K8ns Ultra 939 (NForce 3
chipset) and the ASUS A8V (not deluxe) (VIA 800 chipset).
They are all AGP with 5 PCI slots. YOu would have to do one of those
Matrox AGP/PCI video card combos methods to get 4 monitors. Honestly I
would say stick with 3 monitors using the Matrox P750. Allot less
variables and resource issues going on that way.
I would avoid dual core cpus unless you are doing Cubase VST stuff on
the same machine. The Athlon 64 4000+ or one of the FX series would be
the best for number crunching a bunch of Waves plug ins. YOu also will
reduce issues with the UAD and Paris not having a dual CPU setup.

For more current motherboard with PCI-E the best one I've tried is the
ASUS A8R-MVP but like all new board they have at most 3 PCI slots.
Try to avoid Nforce 4 chipsets if you are using UAD and TC power core.
The N4 chipset in general kicks ass if you are doing native only.

Also try to avoid boards with to many convenient on board stuff. You
will probably have to disable them anyways. Silicon Image SATA
controller work nice on DAWS but the Promise SATA suck ass just disable
from the get go. Most all the on board nics work great.

MOst all the new board do behave as soon as you start to put more than 3
PCI cards int he machine. Trying to put in 4 EDS cards would be hit or
miss. The Magma 13 slot is the best one to get because it has the most
user upgradeable parts. You can replace the noisy fans and power supply
with better quality ones very easily. YOu can find them cheap on E bay.

Chris

Don Nafe wrote:
> Oh and while I'm asking...best video card(s) for a four monitor setup
>
> DOn
>
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:44005187@linux...
>
>>Hi all
>>
>>I have a couple of projects coming up that are going to be using huge
>>track counts in the beginning stages and although virtual tracks are nice
>>they really are a PITA.
>>
>>So the question is - for a four EDS Card set up is their a MB / CPU
>>combination out there that works with paris that would allow the addition
>>of a UAD1 card (making five slots total) or should I start looking at a
>>magma chassis for this setup?
>>
>>
>>Don
>>
>
>
>

--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762

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Re: Computer upgrade time (so soon) [message #64940 is a reply to message #64935]

Sat, 25 February 2006 08:41

Don Nafe

Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005

Senior Member

Thanks for the info Chris

Don

"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:440084e3@linux...
> Hi Don,
> I would get a magma no matter what setup you use if you are doing a 4 card
> system.
> If you can still find them the Gigabyte K8ns Ultra 939 (NForce 3 chipset)
> and the ASUS A8V (not deluxe) (VIA 800 chipset).
> They are all AGP with 5 PCI slots. YOu would have to do one of those
> Matrox AGP/PCI video card combos methods to get 4 monitors. Honestly I
> would say stick with 3 monitors using the Matrox P750. Allot less
> variables and resource issues going on that way.
> I would avoid dual core cpus unless you are doing Cubase VST stuff on the
> same machine. The Athlon 64 4000+ or one of the FX series would be the
> best for number crunching a bunch of Waves plug ins. YOu also will reduce
> issues with the UAD and Paris not having a dual CPU setup.
>
> For more current motherboard with PCI-E the best one I've tried is the
> ASUS A8R-MVP but like all new board they have at most 3 PCI slots.
> Try to avoid Nforce 4 chipsets if you are using UAD and TC power core. The
> N4 chipset in general kicks ass if you are doing native only.
>
> Also try to avoid boards with to many convenient on board stuff. You will
> probably have to disable them anyways. Silicon Image SATA controller work
> nice on DAWS but the Promise SATA suck ass just disable from the get go.
> Most all the on board nics work great.
>
>
> MOst all the new board do behave as soon as you start to put more than 3
> PCI cards int he machine. Trying to put in 4 EDS cards would be hit or
> miss. The Magma 13 slot is the best one to get because it has the most
> user upgradeable parts. You can replace the noisy fans and power supply
> with better quality ones very easily. YOu can find them cheap on E bay.
>
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
> Don Nafe wrote:
>> Oh and while I'm asking...best video card(s) for a four monitor setup
>>
>> DOn
>>
>>
>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:44005187@linux...
>>
>>>Hi all
>>>
>>>I have a couple of projects coming up that are going to be using huge
>>>track counts in the beginning stages and although virtual tracks are nice
>>>they really are a PITA.
>>>
>>>So the question is - for a four EDS Card set up is their a MB / CPU
>>>combination out there that works with paris that would allow the addition
>>>of a UAD1 card (making five slots total) or should I start looking at a
>>>magma chassis for this setup?
>>>
>>>
>>>Don
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
> ADK
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> (859) 635-5762

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Re: Computer upgrade time (so soon) [message #64953 is a reply to message #64935]

Sat, 25 February 2006 19:08

Deej [1]

Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006

Senior Member

Chris,

FYI (and I know this is sort of OT) but I've had really good results using a
PCI latency adjustment tool to get things happening with 4 x UAD cards and 3
x RME cards in a 13 slot Magma. I'm getting around 60-65% (up from around
35-40%) UAD-1 resource usage before I start getting crackling. That's a
*lot* of UAD-1 plugins.

Deej

"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:440084e3@linux...
> Hi Don,
> I would get a magma no matter what setup you use if you are doing a 4
> card system.
> If you can still find them the Gigabyte K8ns Ultra 939 (NForce 3
> chipset) and the ASUS A8V (not deluxe) (VIA 800 chipset).
> They are all AGP with 5 PCI slots. YOu would have to do one of those
> Matrox AGP/PCI video card combos methods to get 4 monitors. Honestly I
> would say stick with 3 monitors using the Matrox P750. Allot less
> variables and resource issues going on that way.
> I would avoid dual core cpus unless you are doing Cubase VST stuff on
> the same machine. The Athlon 64 4000+ or one of the FX series would be
> the best for number crunching a bunch of Waves plug ins. YOu also will
> reduce issues with the UAD and Paris not having a dual CPU setup.
>
> For more current motherboard with PCI-E the best one I've tried is the
> ASUS A8R-MVP but like all new board they have at most 3 PCI slots.
> Try to avoid Nforce 4 chipsets if you are using UAD and TC power core.
> The N4 chipset in general kicks ass if you are doing native only.
>
> Also try to avoid boards with to many convenient on board stuff. You
> will probably have to disable them anyways. Silicon Image SATA
> controller work nice on DAWS but the Promise SATA suck ass just disable
> from the get go. Most all the on board nics work great.
>
>
> MOst all the new board do behave as soon as you start to put more than 3
> PCI cards int he machine. Trying to put in 4 EDS cards would be hit or
> miss. The Magma 13 slot is the best one to get because it has the most
> user upgradeable parts. You can replace the noisy fans and power supply
> with better quality ones very easily. YOu can find them cheap on E bay.
>
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
> Don Nafe wrote:
> > Oh and while I'm asking...best video card(s) for a four monitor setup
> >
> > DOn
> >
> >
> > "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:44005187@linux...
> >
> >>Hi all
> >>
> >>I have a couple of projects coming up that are going to be using huge
> >>track counts in the beginning stages and although virtual tracks are
nice
> >>they really are a PITA.
> >>
> >>So the question is - for a four EDS Card set up is their a MB / CPU
> >>combination out there that works with paris that would allow the
addition
> >>of a UAD1 card (making five slots total) or should I start looking at a
> >>magma chassis for this setup?
> >>
> >>
> >>Don
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
> ADK
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> (859) 635-5762

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Re: Computer upgrade time (so soon) [message #64954 is a reply to message #64953]

Sat, 25 February 2006 21:02

Chuck
Messages: 4
Registered: February 2006

Junior Member

Deej,

I think it's time for you to stop, take a deep breath and smell a rosewood
fretboard :-)

Chuck

"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Chris,
>
>FYI (and I know this is sort of OT) but I've had really good results using
a
>PCI latency adjustment tool to get things happening with 4 x UAD cards and
3
>x RME cards in a 13 slot Magma. I'm getting around 60-65% (up from around
>35-40%) UAD-1 resource usage before I start getting crackling. That's a
>*lot* of UAD-1 plugins.
>
>Deej
>
>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>news:440084e3@linux...
>> Hi Don,
>> I would get a magma no matter what setup you use if you are doing a 4
>> card system.
>> If you can still find them the Gigabyte K8ns Ultra 939 (NForce 3
>> chipset) and the ASUS A8V (not deluxe) (VIA 800 chipset).
>> They are all AGP with 5 PCI slots. YOu would have to do one of those
>> Matrox AGP/PCI video card combos methods to get 4 monitors. Honestly I
>> would say stick with 3 monitors using the Matrox P750. Allot less
>> variables and resource issues going on that way.
>> I would avoid dual core cpus unless you are doing Cubase VST stuff on
>> the same machine. The Athlon 64 4000+ or one of the FX series would be
>> the best for number crunching a bunch of Waves plug ins. YOu also will
>> reduce issues with the UAD and Paris not having a dual CPU setup.
>>
>> For more current motherboard with PCI-E the best one I've tried is the
>> ASUS A8R-MVP but like all new board they have at most 3 PCI slots.
>> Try to avoid Nforce 4 chipsets if you are using UAD and TC power core.
>> The N4 chipset in general kicks ass if you are doing native only.
>>
>> Also try to avoid boards with to many convenient on board stuff. You
>> will probably have to disable them anyways. Silicon Image SATA
>> controller work nice on DAWS but the Promise SATA suck ass just disable
>> from the get go. Most all the on board nics work great.
>>
>>
>> MOst all the new board do behave as soon as you start to put more than
3
>> PCI cards int he machine. Trying to put in 4 EDS cards would be hit or
>> miss. The Magma 13 slot is the best one to get because it has the most
>> user upgradeable parts. You can replace the noisy fans and power supply
>> with better quality ones very easily. YOu can find them cheap on E bay.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> Don Nafe wrote:
>> > Oh and while I'm asking...best video card(s) for a four monitor setup
>> >
>> > DOn
>> >
>> >
>> > "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:44005187@linux...
>> >
>> >>Hi all
>> >>
>> >>I have a couple of projects coming up that are going to be using huge
>> >>track counts in the beginning stages and although virtual tracks are
>nice
>> >>they really are a PITA.
>> >>
>> >>So the question is - for a four EDS Card set up is their a MB / CPU
>> >>combination out there that works with paris that would allow the
>addition
>> >>of a UAD1 card (making five slots total) or should I start looking at
a
>> >>magma chassis for this setup?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Don
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>> ADK
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> (859) 635-5762
>
>

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Re: Computer upgrade time (so soon) [message #64959 is a reply to message #64954]

Sat, 25 February 2006 22:59

Deej [1]

Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006

Senior Member

Heheh......yeh.....very true. I'm actually going to be playing again pretty
soon. I'm in the process of finishing up some mixes for a couple of projects
here and then it's going to be time to start arranging/producing some of our
songs (what I built this studio for in the first place ;o)

Tony Benson is going to have a few more of the premastered mixes from the
ongoing project on his site tomorrow. If I hadn't figured out the PCI
latency thing, I wouldn't have had nearly as easy a time with this stuff.

Deej

"chuck d" <chuck@chuck.com> wrote in message news:44012842$1@linux...
>
> Deej,
>
> I think it's time for you to stop, take a deep breath and smell a rosewood
> fretboard :-)
>
> Chuck
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >Chris,
> >
> >FYI (and I know this is sort of OT) but I've had really good results
using
> a
> >PCI latency adjustment tool to get things happening with 4 x UAD cards
and
> 3
> >x RME cards in a 13 slot Magma. I'm getting around 60-65% (up from around
> >35-40%) UAD-1 resource usage before I start getting crackling. That's a
> >*lot* of UAD-1 plugins.
> >
> >Deej
> >
> >"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> >news:440084e3@linux...
> >> Hi Don,
> >> I would get a magma no matter what setup you use if you are doing a 4
> >> card system.
> >> If you can still find them the Gigabyte K8ns Ultra 939 (NForce 3
> >> chipset) and the ASUS A8V (not deluxe) (VIA 800 chipset).
> >> They are all AGP with 5 PCI slots. YOu would have to do one of those
> >> Matrox AGP/PCI video card combos methods to get 4 monitors. Honestly I
> >> would say stick with 3 monitors using the Matrox P750. Allot less
> >> variables and resource issues going on that way.
> >> I would avoid dual core cpus unless you are doing Cubase VST stuff on
> >> the same machine. The Athlon 64 4000+ or one of the FX series would be
> >> the best for number crunching a bunch of Waves plug ins. YOu also will
> >> reduce issues with the UAD and Paris not having a dual CPU setup.
> >>
> >> For more current motherboard with PCI-E the best one I've tried is the
> >> ASUS A8R-MVP but like all new board they have at most 3 PCI slots.
> >> Try to avoid Nforce 4 chipsets if you are using UAD and TC power core.
> >> The N4 chipset in general kicks ass if you are doing native only.
> >>
> >> Also try to avoid boards with to many convenient on board stuff. You
> >> will probably have to disable them anyways. Silicon Image SATA
> >> controller work nice on DAWS but the Promise SATA suck ass just disable
> >> from the get go. Most all the on board nics work great.
> >>
> >>
> >> MOst all the new board do behave as soon as you start to put more than
> 3
> >> PCI cards int he machine. Trying to put in 4 EDS cards would be hit or
> >> miss. The Magma 13 slot is the best one to get because it has the most
> >> user upgradeable parts. You can replace the noisy fans and power supply
> >> with better quality ones very easily. YOu can find them cheap on E bay.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
> >>
> >> Don Nafe wrote:
> >> > Oh and while I'm asking...best video card(s) for a four monitor setup
> >> >
> >> > DOn
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:44005187@linux...
> >> >
> >> >>Hi all
> >> >>
> >> >>I have a couple of projects coming up that are going to be using huge
> >> >>track counts in the beginning stages and although virtual tracks are
> >nice
> >> >>they really are a PITA.
> >> >>
> >> >>So the question is - for a four EDS Card set up is their a MB / CPU
> >> >>combination out there that works with paris that would allow the
> >addition
> >> >>of a UAD1 card (making five slots total) or should I start looking at
> a
> >> >>magma chassis for this setup?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>Don
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Chris Ludwig
> >> ADK
> >> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> >> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> >> (859) 635-5762
> >
> >
>

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