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Wed, 19 March 2008 08:34

Bill L

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Registered: August 2006

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Did Jesus say all people are not basically good?

I agree with Hubbard: what's real for you is real for you. I think that
is as fair and true a statement as can be made. Make your own decisions
and keep your own counsel.

DC wrote:
> But, (and I am speaking to you and Erling here), both the
> "myth making" view of faith and the opinions of Hubbard (and
> many others) about human nature became moot if the evidence for
> Jesus is compelling.
>
>
>
> DC
>
>
> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>> By the way, belief or non-belief in Jesus has absolutely nothing to do
>> with Scientology. Scientology is not "faith-based". It is entirely
>> empirically derived and the technologies of Scientology are experienced
>
>> daily by Scientologists. Hubbard was trained as an engineer and he
>> insisted that his technology be as workable and repeatable as e.g. the
>> formula for building a bridge.
>>
>> Many Christians, Jews, what have you are also Scientologists - but
>> saner, happier ones. Hubbard wrote, "What is true for you is what is
>> true for you."
>>
>> DC wrote:
>>> I just have one question for you both.
>>>
>>> What would change in your beliefs if it could be shown that
>>> the real Jesus was the one of the Bible? That all the best
>>> evidence, when considered outside of philosophical
>>> pre-commitments, shows that Jesus was who he said he was,
>>> and the story of his origin, purpose, his life, death and
>>> yes his resurrection, as shown in the Bible, is pretty much spot-on?
>>>
>>> What would happen to "faith as human myth-making and story
>>> telling"?
>>>
>>> What would happen to Scientology?
>>>
>>> If it is true, would it not affect your beliefs profoundly? If so,
>>> then I would suggest resolving this issue is an important task;
>>> perhaps the most important of all the things we do in this
>>> life.
>>>
>>> DC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What would happen to faith as mere human
>>>
>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>> All people are basically good and are trying to survive as they
>>>> understand it. With that starting point you can understand and help
>>>> others. All people are basically good.
>>>
>>>> erlilo wrote:
>>> Most of the difference and
>>>>> problems are in the HUMAN made religions that's for the most have a
> culture
>>>>> thousand of years back in the history. It's special to think it over,
>>> the
>>>>> bible was a product that's started our christian stories from the Middle
>>>>> East with stories about God and The Garden of Eden(in Iran) and all
> the
>>> wars
>>>>> following up, long before someone could write at all.
>

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