Home » The PARIS Forums » PARIS: Main » My first live Drum Mix....take a listen
| My first live Drum Mix....take a listen [message #77854] |
Thu, 04 January 2007 05:10  |
![brandon[2] is currently offline](/theme/PARIS_Forum_Template/images/offline.png "brandon[2] is currently offline")
brandon[2]
Messages: 380
Registered: June 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C72FCF.63609C00
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/BrandonGoodwinDrumMix.mp 3
All,
Happy New Year!!
This is my 1st attempt at a live drum recording.
I have always used Drumagog and electronic samples in the past.
This is a cheap TAMA kit setup with....
Kick =3D open front
Snare =3D Steel (I dont know maybe 5 or 6 inch deep N'Dugu signature =
series)
Zildgen =3D Dark crash, Dark Ride, Dark HiHat
Tom =3D 11 or 12 inch with bottom head
Floor Tom =3D without bottom head
1 - AKG414 in Cardiod w/20db pad laying on blanket inside the Kick.
1 - SM57 in the usual spot on the top of the snare.
2 - Matched pair Rode NT5s in a XY stereo configuration...3 feet above =
the cymbals centered between the Ride and the Crash...directly above the =
Tom.
I applied EQ and compression to the Kick and Snare tracks. The =
compression is a typical
3.99:1 ratio with 20ms attack and 50ms release. Using Waves C1 =
compressor.
Also I applied a PARIS Gate on both tracks.
I scooped out the lows and mids of the OHs just allowing the meat of the =
snare back in.
I gave a couple db to the highs and compressed it using the same =
settings as on the other tracks, but with a 26ms attack.
I then mixed all the tracks together to taste.
The room was very live...hardwood floors and vaulted ceiling.
No attempt at Isolation.
I am pleased with the seemingly even cymbals/hat.
The Kick doesnt quite have the snap I would like, but I was using a felt =
beater. Also my technique SUCKs...Can you hear the beater roll on the =
head?
I leave the beater up after I kick which greatly reduces punch of the =
kick.
The snare I am not pleased with. I really dont like the snare itself. =
Dont like its sound. This snare actually sounds better tuned like a =
piccalo.
Critques are very Welcome!!
Thanks Again!
Brandon
------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C72FCF.63609C00
Content-Type: text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Diso-8859-1">
<META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1476" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#003399 size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A=20
href=3D" http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/BrandonGoodwinDrumMix.mp 3"=20
target=3D_blank=20
rel=3Dnofollow>http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/BrandonGoodwinDrumMix.=
mp3</A></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT></P></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">All,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Happy New =
Year!!</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">This is my 1st attempt at a =
live drum=20
recording.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I have always used Drumagog and =
electronic=20
samples in the past.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">This is a cheap TAMA kit setup=20
with....</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Kick =3D open =
front</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Snare =3D Steel (I dont know =
maybe 5 or 6=20
inch deep N'Dugu signature series)</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Zildgen =3D Dark crash, Dark =
Ride, Dark=20
HiHat</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Tom =3D 11 or 12 inch with =
bottom=20
head</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Floor Tom =3D without bottom=20
head</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">1 - AKG414 in Cardiod w/20db =
pad laying on=20
blanket inside the Kick.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">1 - SM57 in the usual spot on =
the top of=20
the snare.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">2 - Matched pair Rode NT5s in a =
XY stereo=20
configuration...3 feet above the cymbals centered between the Ride and =
the=20
Crash...directly above the Tom.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I applied EQ and compression to =
the Kick=20
and Snare tracks. The compression is a typical</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">3.99:1 ratio with 20ms attack =
and 50ms=20
release. Using Waves C1 compressor.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Also I applied a PARIS Gate on =
both=20
tracks.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I scooped out the lows and mids =
of the OHs=20
just allowing the meat of the snare back in.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I gave a couple db to the highs =
and=20
compressed it using the same settings as on the other tracks, but with a =
26ms=20
attack.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I then mixed all the tracks =
together to=20
taste.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The room was very =
live...hardwood floors=20
and vaulted ceiling.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">No attempt at=20
Isolation.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I am pleased with the seemingly =
even=20
cymbals/hat.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The Kick doesnt quite have the =
snap I would=20
like, but I was using a felt beater. Also my technique SUCKs...Can you =
hear the=20
beater roll on the head?</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I leave the beater up after I =
kick which=20
greatly reduces punch of the kick.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The snare I am not pleased =
with. I really=20
dont like the snare itself. Dont like its sound. This snare actually =
sounds=20
better tuned like a piccalo.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Critques are very=20
Welcome!!</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Thanks =
Again!</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Brandon</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></FONT></DIV></BODY ></HTML>
------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C72FCF.63609C00--
|
|
|
|
| Re: My first live Drum Mix....take a listen [message #77868 is a reply to message #77854] |
Thu, 04 January 2007 08:34  |
Don Nafe
Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005
|
Senior Member |
|
|
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C72FF4.587BE9F0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
First off get that 414 off the blanket and floating in the air somewhere =
near the kik drum....position to taste
as for the snare, tighten the snares and add a bit of dampening to kill =
the ring a bit...you could also retune to the desired sound and adjust =
the dampening to taste
Try putting the OH's at your position as the drummer...approximately =
shoulder width and at least a foot above your head (to start with) then =
try some experimenting with aiming...you may even want to lower the mics =
above the respective toms ie: split the racs and aiming slightly at the =
snare and then the other mic over the Floor and then adjust their height =
to get the cymbals.
Just a few variations on a theme here
DOn
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:459cf9fb@linux...
http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/BrandonGoodwinDrumMix.mp 3
All,
Happy New Year!!
This is my 1st attempt at a live drum recording.
I have always used Drumagog and electronic samples in the past.
This is a cheap TAMA kit setup with....
Kick =3D open front
Snare =3D Steel (I dont know maybe 5 or 6 inch deep N'Dugu signature =
series)
Zildgen =3D Dark crash, Dark Ride, Dark HiHat
Tom =3D 11 or 12 inch with bottom head
Floor Tom =3D without bottom head
1 - AKG414 in Cardiod w/20db pad laying on blanket inside the Kick.
1 - SM57 in the usual spot on the top of the snare.
2 - Matched pair Rode NT5s in a XY stereo configuration...3 feet above =
the cymbals centered between the Ride and the Crash...directly above the =
Tom.
I applied EQ and compression to the Kick and Snare tracks. The =
compression is a typical
3.99:1 ratio with 20ms attack and 50ms release. Using Waves C1 =
compressor.
Also I applied a PARIS Gate on both tracks.
I scooped out the lows and mids of the OHs just allowing the meat of =
the snare back in.
I gave a couple db to the highs and compressed it using the same =
settings as on the other tracks, but with a 26ms attack.
I then mixed all the tracks together to taste.
The room was very live...hardwood floors and vaulted ceiling.
No attempt at Isolation.
I am pleased with the seemingly even cymbals/hat.
The Kick doesnt quite have the snap I would like, but I was using a =
felt beater. Also my technique SUCKs...Can you hear the beater roll on =
the head?
I leave the beater up after I kick which greatly reduces punch of the =
kick.
The snare I am not pleased with. I really dont like the snare itself. =
Dont like its sound. This snare actually sounds better tuned like a =
piccalo.
Critques are very Welcome!!
Thanks Again!
Brandon
------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C72FF4.587BE9F0
Content-Type: text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Diso-8859-1">
<META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.5730.11" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>First off get that 414 off the blanket =
and floating=20
in the air somewhere near the kik drum....position to taste</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>as for the snare, tighten the snares =
and add a bit=20
of dampening to kill the ring a bit...you could also retune to the =
desired sound=20
and adjust the dampening to taste</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Try putting the OH's at your position =
as the=20
drummer...approximately shoulder width and at least a foot above your =
head (to=20
start with) then try some experimenting with aiming...you may even want=20
to lower the mics above the respective toms ie: split the racs and =
aiming=20
slightly at the snare and then the other mic over the Floor and =
then adjust=20
their height to get the cymbals.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just a few variations on a theme =
here</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>DOn</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Brandon" <<A href=3D"mailto:a@a.com">a@a.com</A>> wrote in =
message=20
<A href=3D"news:459cf9fb@linux">news:459cf9fb@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#003399 size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A=20
href=3D" http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/BrandonGoodwinDrumMix.mp 3" =
target=3D_blank=20
=
rel=3Dnofollow>http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/BrandonGoodwinDrumMix.=
mp3</A></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">All,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Happy New =
Year!!</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">This is my 1st attempt at a =
live drum=20
recording.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I have always used Drumagog =
and=20
electronic samples in the past.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">This is a cheap TAMA kit =
setup=20
with....</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Kick =3D open =
front</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Snare =3D Steel (I dont know =
maybe 5 or 6=20
inch deep N'Dugu signature series)</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Zildgen =3D Dark crash, Dark =
Ride, Dark=20
HiHat</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Tom =3D 11 or 12 inch with =
bottom=20
head</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Floor Tom =3D without bottom=20
head</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">1 - AKG414 in Cardiod w/20db =
pad laying=20
on blanket inside the Kick.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">1 - SM57 in the usual spot on =
the top of=20
the snare.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">2 - Matched pair Rode NT5s in =
a XY stereo=20
configuration...3 feet above the cymbals centered between the Ride and =
the=20
Crash...directly above the Tom.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I applied EQ and compression =
to the Kick=20
and Snare tracks. The compression is a typical</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">3.99:1 ratio with 20ms attack =
and 50ms=20
release. Using Waves C1 compressor.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Also I applied a PARIS Gate =
on both=20
tracks.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I scooped out the lows and =
mids of the=20
OHs just allowing the meat of the snare back =
in.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I gave a couple db to the =
highs and=20
compressed it using the same settings as on the other tracks, but with =
a 26ms=20
attack.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I then mixed all the tracks =
together to=20
taste.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The room was very =
live...hardwood floors=20
and vaulted ceiling.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">No attempt at=20
Isolation.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I am pleased with the =
seemingly even=20
cymbals/hat.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The Kick doesnt quite have =
the snap I=20
would like, but I was using a felt beater. Also my technique =
SUCKs...Can you=20
hear the beater roll on the head?</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I leave the beater up after I =
kick which=20
greatly reduces punch of the kick.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The snare I am not pleased =
with. I really=20
dont like the snare itself. Dont like its sound. This snare actually =
sounds=20
better tuned like a piccalo.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Critques are very=20
Welcome!!</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Thanks =
Again!</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Brandon</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE ></BODY></H=
TML>
------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C72FF4.587BE9F0--
|
|
|
|
| Re: My first live Drum Mix....take a listen [message #77869 is a reply to message #77868] |
Thu, 04 January 2007 08:41 |
brandon[2]
Messages: 380
Registered: June 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C72FEC.F65484F0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
First off get that 414 off the blanket and floating in the air =
somewhere near the kik drum....position to taste
OK
as for the snare, tighten the snares and add a bit of dampening to =
kill the ring a bit...you could also retune to the desired sound and =
adjust the dampening to taste
Snares are tight.. I will try retuning it though.
Try putting the OH's at your position as the drummer...approximately =
shoulder width and at least a foot above your head (to start with) then =
try some experimenting with aiming...you may even want to lower the mics =
above the respective toms ie: split the racs and aiming slightly at the =
snare and then the other mic over the Floor and then adjust their height =
to get the cymbals.
I was going to try just that next.
Just a few variations on a theme here
DOn
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:459cf9fb@linux...
http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/BrandonGoodwinDrumMix.mp 3
All,
Happy New Year!!
This is my 1st attempt at a live drum recording.
I have always used Drumagog and electronic samples in the past.
This is a cheap TAMA kit setup with....
Kick =3D open front
Snare =3D Steel (I dont know maybe 5 or 6 inch deep N'Dugu signature =
series)
Zildgen =3D Dark crash, Dark Ride, Dark HiHat
Tom =3D 11 or 12 inch with bottom head
Floor Tom =3D without bottom head
1 - AKG414 in Cardiod w/20db pad laying on blanket inside the Kick.
1 - SM57 in the usual spot on the top of the snare.
2 - Matched pair Rode NT5s in a XY stereo configuration...3 feet =
above the cymbals centered between the Ride and the Crash...directly =
above the Tom.
I applied EQ and compression to the Kick and Snare tracks. The =
compression is a typical
3.99:1 ratio with 20ms attack and 50ms release. Using Waves C1 =
compressor.
Also I applied a PARIS Gate on both tracks.
I scooped out the lows and mids of the OHs just allowing the meat of =
the snare back in.
I gave a couple db to the highs and compressed it using the same =
settings as on the other tracks, but with a 26ms attack.
I then mixed all the tracks together to taste.
The room was very live...hardwood floors and vaulted ceiling.
No attempt at Isolation.
I am pleased with the seemingly even cymbals/hat.
The Kick doesnt quite have the snap I would like, but I was using a =
felt beater. Also my technique SUCKs...Can you hear the beater roll on =
the head?
I leave the beater up after I kick which greatly reduces punch of =
the kick.
The snare I am not pleased with. I really dont like the snare =
itself. Dont like its sound. This snare actually sounds better tuned =
like a piccalo.
Critques are very Welcome!!
Thanks Again!
Brandon
------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C72FEC.F65484F0
Content-Type: text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Diso-8859-1">
<META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1476" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>First off get that 414 off the =
blanket and=20
floating in the air somewhere near the kik drum....position to=20
taste</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#ff0000 size=3D2>OK</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>as for the snare, tighten the snares =
and add a=20
bit of dampening to kill the ring a bit...you could also retune to the =
desired=20
sound and adjust the dampening to taste</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#ff0000 size=3D2>Snares are tight.. I =
will try=20
retuning it though.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Try putting the OH's at your position =
as the=20
drummer...approximately shoulder width and at least a foot above your =
head (to=20
start with) then try some experimenting with aiming...you may even =
want=20
to lower the mics above the respective toms ie: split the racs =
and aiming=20
slightly at the snare and then the other mic over the Floor and =
then=20
adjust their height to get the cymbals.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#ff0000 size=3D2>I was going to try =
just that=20
next.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just a few variations on a theme=20
here</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>DOn</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Brandon" <<A href=3D"mailto:a@a.com">a@a.com</A>> wrote =
in message=20
<A href=3D"news:459cf9fb@linux">news:459cf9fb@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#003399 =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A=20
=
href=3D" http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/BrandonGoodwinDrumMix.mp 3"=20
target=3D_blank=20
=
rel=3Dnofollow>http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/BrandonGoodwinDrumMix.=
mp3</A></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">All,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Happy New=20
Year!!</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">This is my 1st attempt at a =
live drum=20
recording.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I have always used Drumagog =
and=20
electronic samples in the past.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">This is a cheap TAMA kit =
setup=20
with....</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Kick =3D open=20
front</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Snare =3D Steel (I dont =
know maybe 5 or 6=20
inch deep N'Dugu signature series)</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Zildgen =3D Dark crash, =
Dark Ride, Dark=20
HiHat</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Tom =3D 11 or 12 inch with =
bottom=20
head</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Floor Tom =3D without =
bottom=20
head</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">1 - AKG414 in Cardiod =
w/20db pad laying=20
on blanket inside the Kick.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">1 - SM57 in the usual spot =
on the top=20
of the snare.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">2 - Matched pair Rode NT5s =
in a XY=20
stereo configuration...3 feet above the cymbals centered between the =
Ride=20
and the Crash...directly above the Tom.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I applied EQ and =
compression to the=20
Kick and Snare tracks. The compression is a =
typical</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">3.99:1 ratio with 20ms =
attack and 50ms=20
release. Using Waves C1 compressor.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Also I applied a PARIS Gate =
on both=20
tracks.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I scooped out the lows and =
mids of the=20
OHs just allowing the meat of the snare back =
in.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I gave a couple db to the =
highs and=20
compressed it using the same settings as on the other tracks, but =
with a=20
26ms attack.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I then mixed all the tracks =
together to=20
taste.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The room was very =
live...hardwood=20
floors and vaulted ceiling.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">No attempt at=20
Isolation.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I am pleased with the =
seemingly even=20
cymbals/hat.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The Kick doesnt quite have =
the snap I=20
would like, but I was using a felt beater. Also my technique =
SUCKs...Can you=20
hear the beater roll on the head?</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I leave the beater up after =
I kick=20
which greatly reduces punch of the kick.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The snare I am not pleased =
with. I=20
really dont like the snare itself. Dont like its sound. This snare =
actually=20
sounds better tuned like a piccalo.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Critques are very=20
Welcome!!</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Thanks =
Again!</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Brandon</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE ></BLOCKQUO=
TE></BODY></HTML>
------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C72FEC.F65484F0--
|
|
|
|
| Re: My first live Drum Mix....take a listen [message #77870 is a reply to message #77869] |
Thu, 04 January 2007 09:22 |
Don Nafe
Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005
|
Senior Member |
|
|
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01C72FFA.F0B12860
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Another very important point which you alluded to are the drums =
themselves and without a doubt the player. =20
Having a good sounding kit will make the process much more enjoyable as =
will a competant groovin' drummer manning the stix. Believe me the =
difference can be like night and day.
that being said I would love to hear more as you experiment with =
placement...could be the beginnings of a very informative thread
:-)
Don
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:459d2b99@linux...
First off get that 414 off the blanket and floating in the air =
somewhere near the kik drum....position to taste
OK
as for the snare, tighten the snares and add a bit of dampening to =
kill the ring a bit...you could also retune to the desired sound and =
adjust the dampening to taste
Snares are tight.. I will try retuning it though.
Try putting the OH's at your position as the drummer...approximately =
shoulder width and at least a foot above your head (to start with) then =
try some experimenting with aiming...you may even want to lower the mics =
above the respective toms ie: split the racs and aiming slightly at the =
snare and then the other mic over the Floor and then adjust their height =
to get the cymbals.
I was going to try just that next.
Just a few variations on a theme here
DOn
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:459cf9fb@linux...
http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/BrandonGoodwinDrumMix.mp 3
All,
Happy New Year!!
This is my 1st attempt at a live drum recording.
I have always used Drumagog and electronic samples in the past.
This is a cheap TAMA kit setup with....
Kick =3D open front
Snare =3D Steel (I dont know maybe 5 or 6 inch deep N'Dugu =
signature series)
Zildgen =3D Dark crash, Dark Ride, Dark HiHat
Tom =3D 11 or 12 inch with bottom head
Floor Tom =3D without bottom head
1 - AKG414 in Cardiod w/20db pad laying on blanket inside the =
Kick.
1 - SM57 in the usual spot on the top of the snare.
2 - Matched pair Rode NT5s in a XY stereo configuration...3 feet =
above the cymbals centered between the Ride and the Crash...directly =
above the Tom.
I applied EQ and compression to the Kick and Snare tracks. The =
compression is a typical
3.99:1 ratio with 20ms attack and 50ms release. Using Waves C1 =
compressor.
Also I applied a PARIS Gate on both tracks.
I scooped out the lows and mids of the OHs just allowing the meat =
of the snare back in.
I gave a couple db to the highs and compressed it using the same =
settings as on the other tracks, but with a 26ms attack.
I then mixed all the tracks together to taste.
The room was very live...hardwood floors and vaulted ceiling.
No attempt at Isolation.
I am pleased with the seemingly even cymbals/hat.
The Kick doesnt quite have the snap I would like, but I was using =
a felt beater. Also my technique SUCKs...Can you hear the beater roll on =
the head?
I leave the beater up after I kick which greatly reduces punch of =
the kick.
The snare I am not pleased with. I really dont like the snare =
itself. Dont like its sound. This snare actually sounds better tuned =
like a piccalo.
Critques are very Welcome!!
Thanks Again!
Brandon
------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01C72FFA.F0B12860
Content-Type: text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Diso-8859-1">
<META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.5730.11" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Another very important point which you =
alluded to=20
are the drums themselves and without a doubt the player. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Having a good sounding kit will make =
the process=20
much more enjoyable as will a competant groovin' drummer manning the =
stix.=20
Believe me the difference can be like night and day.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>that being said I would love to hear =
more as you=20
experiment with placement...could be the beginnings of a very=20
informative thread</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>:-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Don</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Brandon" <<A href=3D"mailto:a@a.com">a@a.com</A>> wrote in =
message=20
<A href=3D"news:459d2b99@linux">news:459d2b99@linux</A>...</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>First off get that 414 off the =
blanket and=20
floating in the air somewhere near the kik drum....position to=20
taste</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#ff0000 size=3D2>OK</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>as for the snare, tighten the =
snares and add a=20
bit of dampening to kill the ring a bit...you could also retune to =
the=20
desired sound and adjust the dampening to taste</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#ff0000 size=3D2>Snares are tight.. =
I will try=20
retuning it though.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Try putting the OH's at your =
position as the=20
drummer...approximately shoulder width and at least a foot above =
your head=20
(to start with) then try some experimenting with aiming...you may =
even want=20
to lower the mics above the respective toms ie: split the racs =
and=20
aiming slightly at the snare and then the other mic over the =
Floor and=20
then adjust their height to get the cymbals.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#ff0000 size=3D2>I was going to try =
just that=20
next.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just a few variations on a theme=20
here</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>DOn</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Brandon" <<A href=3D"mailto:a@a.com">a@a.com</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A =
href=3D"news:459cf9fb@linux">news:459cf9fb@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#003399 =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A=20
=
href=3D" http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/BrandonGoodwinDrumMix.mp 3"=20
target=3D_blank=20
=
rel=3Dnofollow>http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/BrandonGoodwinDrumMix.=
mp3</A></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">All,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Happy New=20
Year!!</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">This is my 1st attempt at =
a live drum=20
recording.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I have always used =
Drumagog and=20
electronic samples in the past.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">This is a cheap TAMA kit =
setup=20
with....</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Kick =3D open=20
front</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Snare =3D Steel (I dont =
know maybe 5 or=20
6 inch deep N'Dugu signature series)</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Zildgen =3D Dark crash, =
Dark Ride, Dark=20
HiHat</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Tom =3D 11 or 12 inch =
with bottom=20
head</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Floor Tom =3D without =
bottom=20
head</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">1 - AKG414 in Cardiod =
w/20db pad=20
laying on blanket inside the Kick.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">1 - SM57 in the usual =
spot on the top=20
of the snare.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">2 - Matched pair Rode =
NT5s in a XY=20
stereo configuration...3 feet above the cymbals centered between =
the Ride=20
and the Crash...directly above the Tom.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I applied EQ and =
compression to the=20
Kick and Snare tracks. The compression is a=20
typical</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">3.99:1 ratio with 20ms =
attack and=20
50ms release. Using Waves C1 compressor.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Also I applied a PARIS =
Gate on both=20
tracks.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I scooped out the lows =
and mids of=20
the OHs just allowing the meat of the snare back=20
in.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I gave a couple db to the =
highs and=20
compressed it using the same settings as on the other tracks, but =
with a=20
26ms attack.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I then mixed all the =
tracks together=20
to taste.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The room was very =
live...hardwood=20
floors and vaulted ceiling.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">No attempt at=20
Isolation.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I am pleased with the =
seemingly even=20
cymbals/hat.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The Kick doesnt quite =
have the snap I=20
would like, but I was using a felt beater. Also my technique =
SUCKs...Can=20
you hear the beater roll on the head?</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I leave the beater up =
after I kick=20
which greatly reduces punch of the kick.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The snare I am not =
pleased with. I=20
really dont like the snare itself. Dont like its sound. This snare =
actually sounds better tuned like a =
piccalo.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Critques are very=20
Welcome!!</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Thanks =
Again!</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Brandon</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE ></BLOCKQUO=
TE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01C72FFA.F0B12860--
|
|
|
|
| Re: My first live Drum Mix....take a listen [message #77872 is a reply to message #77870] |
Thu, 04 January 2007 09:35 |
brandon[2]
Messages: 380
Registered: June 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C72FF4.79819690
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Don ...do you have any suggestions on the mixing technique?....EQ or =
compression??
--=20
Thanks,
Brandon=20
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:459d34fb@linux...
Another very important point which you alluded to are the drums =
themselves and without a doubt the player. =20
Having a good sounding kit will make the process much more enjoyable =
as will a competant groovin' drummer manning the stix. Believe me the =
difference can be like night and day.
that being said I would love to hear more as you experiment with =
placement...could be the beginnings of a very informative thread
:-)
Don
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:459d2b99@linux...
First off get that 414 off the blanket and floating in the air =
somewhere near the kik drum....position to taste
OK
as for the snare, tighten the snares and add a bit of dampening to =
kill the ring a bit...you could also retune to the desired sound and =
adjust the dampening to taste
Snares are tight.. I will try retuning it though.
Try putting the OH's at your position as the =
drummer...approximately shoulder width and at least a foot above your =
head (to start with) then try some experimenting with aiming...you may =
even want to lower the mics above the respective toms ie: split the racs =
and aiming slightly at the snare and then the other mic over the Floor =
and then adjust their height to get the cymbals.
I was going to try just that next.
Just a few variations on a theme here
DOn
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:459cf9fb@linux...
http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/BrandonGoodwinDrumMix.mp 3
All,
Happy New Year!!
This is my 1st attempt at a live drum recording.
I have always used Drumagog and electronic samples in the past.
This is a cheap TAMA kit setup with....
Kick =3D open front
Snare =3D Steel (I dont know maybe 5 or 6 inch deep N'Dugu =
signature series)
Zildgen =3D Dark crash, Dark Ride, Dark HiHat
Tom =3D 11 or 12 inch with bottom head
Floor Tom =3D without bottom head
1 - AKG414 in Cardiod w/20db pad laying on blanket inside the =
Kick.
1 - SM57 in the usual spot on the top of the snare.
2 - Matched pair Rode NT5s in a XY stereo configuration...3 feet =
above the cymbals centered between the Ride and the Crash...directly =
above the Tom.
I applied EQ and compression to the Kick and Snare tracks. The =
compression is a typical
3.99:1 ratio with 20ms attack and 50ms release. Using Waves C1 =
compressor.
Also I applied a PARIS Gate on both tracks.
I scooped out the lows and mids of the OHs just allowing the =
meat of the snare back in.
I gave a couple db to the highs and compressed it using the same =
settings as on the other tracks, but with a 26ms attack.
I then mixed all the tracks together to taste.
The room was very live...hardwood floors and vaulted ceiling.
No attempt at Isolation.
I am pleased with the seemingly even cymbals/hat.
The Kick doesnt quite have the snap I would like, but I was =
using a felt beater. Also my technique SUCKs...Can you hear the beater =
roll on the head?
I leave the beater up after I kick which greatly reduces punch =
of the kick.
The snare I am not pleased with. I really dont like the snare =
itself. Dont like its sound. This snare actually sounds better tuned =
like a piccalo.
Critques are very Welcome!!
Thanks Again!
Brandon
------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C72FF4.79819690
Content-Type: text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Diso-8859-1">
<META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1476" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Don ...do you have any suggestions on the mixing =
technique?....EQ or compression??</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>-- <BR>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Brandon </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"Don Nafe" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>> wrote=20
in message <A =
href=3D"news:459d34fb@linux">news:459d34fb@linux</A>...</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Another very important point which =
you alluded to=20
are the drums themselves and without a doubt the player. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Having a good sounding kit will make =
the process=20
much more enjoyable as will a competant groovin' drummer manning the =
stix.=20
Believe me the difference can be like night and day.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>that being said I would love to hear =
more as you=20
experiment with placement...could be the beginnings of a very=20
informative thread</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>:-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Don</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Brandon" <<A href=3D"mailto:a@a.com">a@a.com</A>> wrote =
in message=20
<A href=3D"news:459d2b99@linux">news:459d2b99@linux</A>...</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>First off get that 414 off the =
blanket and=20
floating in the air somewhere near the kik drum....position to=20
taste</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#ff0000 size=3D2>OK</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>as for the snare, tighten the =
snares and add=20
a bit of dampening to kill the ring a bit...you could also retune =
to the=20
desired sound and adjust the dampening to taste</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#ff0000 size=3D2>Snares are =
tight.. I will try=20
retuning it though.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Try putting the OH's at your =
position as the=20
drummer...approximately shoulder width and at least a foot above =
your head=20
(to start with) then try some experimenting with aiming...you may =
even=20
want to lower the mics above the respective toms ie: split =
the racs=20
and aiming slightly at the snare and then the other mic over =
the=20
Floor and then adjust their height to get the =
cymbals.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#ff0000 size=3D2>I was going to =
try just that=20
next.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just a few variations on a theme=20
here</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>DOn</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Brandon" <<A href=3D"mailto:a@a.com">a@a.com</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A =
href=3D"news:459cf9fb@linux">news:459cf9fb@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#003399 =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A=20
=
href=3D" http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/BrandonGoodwinDrumMix.mp 3"=20
target=3D_blank=20
=
rel=3Dnofollow>http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/BrandonGoodwinDrumMix.=
mp3</A></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">All,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Happy New=20
Year!!</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">This is my=20
1st attempt at a live drum recording.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">I have=20
always used Drumagog and electronic samples in the=20
past.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">This is a=20
cheap TAMA kit setup with....</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Kick =3D open=20
front</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Snare =3D=20
Steel (I dont know maybe 5 or 6 inch deep N'Dugu signature=20
series)</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Zildgen =3D=20
Dark crash, Dark Ride, Dark HiHat</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Tom =3D 11 or=20
12 inch with bottom head</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Floor Tom =3D=20
without bottom head</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">1 - AKG414=20
in Cardiod w/20db pad laying on blanket inside the=20
Kick.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">1 - SM57 in=20
the usual spot on the top of the snare.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">2 - Matched=20
pair Rode NT5s in a XY stereo configuration...3 feet above the =
cymbals=20
centered between the Ride and the Crash...directly above the=20
Tom.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">I applied EQ=20
and compression to the Kick and Snare tracks. The compression is =
a=20
typical</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">3.99:1 ratio=20
with 20ms attack and 50ms release. Using Waves C1=20
compressor.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Also I=20
applied a PARIS Gate on both tracks.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">I scooped=20
out the lows and mids of the OHs just allowing the meat of the =
snare=20
back in.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">I gave a=20
couple db to the highs and compressed it using the same settings =
as on=20
the other tracks, but with a 26ms =
attack.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">I then mixed=20
all the tracks together to taste.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">The room was=20
very live...hardwood floors and vaulted =
ceiling.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">No attempt=20
at Isolation.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">I am pleased=20
with the seemingly even cymbals/hat.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">The Kick=20
doesnt quite have the snap I would like, but I was using a felt =
beater.=20
Also my technique SUCKs...Can you hear the beater roll on the=20
head?</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">I leave the=20
beater up after I kick which greatly reduces punch of the=20
kick.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">The snare I=20
am not pleased with. I really dont like the snare itself. Dont =
like its=20
sound. This snare actually sounds better tuned like a=20
piccalo.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Critques are=20
very Welcome!!</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Thanks=20
Again!</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Brandon</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE ></BLOCKQUO=
TE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C72FF4.79819690--
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Re: My first live Drum Mix....take a listen [message #77880 is a reply to message #77854] |
Thu, 04 January 2007 10:59 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
|
Senior Member |
|
|
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C73000.21C28D40
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
First thing I'd do is get that 414 out of the kick before you warp the =
diaphragm in it. Replace with a good Audix D6 or Shure Beta52. =20
If' it's a cheap Tama kit (older swingstar, right?), that is probably =
the lack of sub-lows I'm hearing in the kick. The 52 will shine here. =
Make sure it's on a stand inside the drum, pointed right at the beater. =
Do 'not' place it in the center of the shell or it will have phase =
issues, rather just a little bit to the left or right and angled so as =
to point at the beater impact point. Some guys prefer to put it very =
very close to the batter head, some prefer to get some shell tone and =
back it almost all the way out of the kick drum. Experiment my bro, =
learning is good.=20
Snare.... spend a little more time in tuning it, and maybe pick up a =
little MoonGel for the top head. I'm hearing just a bit more metallic =
ring in the snare. Put a good coated/fiber head on the top, medium =
thickness on the snare head side. I use Fiberskin on my metals, or =
Aquarian.=20
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:459cf9fb@linux...
http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/BrandonGoodwinDrumMix.mp 3
All,
Happy New Year!!
This is my 1st attempt at a live drum recording.
I have always used Drumagog and electronic samples in the past.
This is a cheap TAMA kit setup with....
Kick =3D open front
Snare =3D Steel (I dont know maybe 5 or 6 inch deep N'Dugu signature =
series)
Zildgen =3D Dark crash, Dark Ride, Dark HiHat
Tom =3D 11 or 12 inch with bottom head
Floor Tom =3D without bottom head
1 - AKG414 in Cardiod w/20db pad laying on blanket inside the Kick.
1 - SM57 in the usual spot on the top of the snare.
2 - Matched pair Rode NT5s in a XY stereo configuration...3 feet above =
the cymbals centered between the Ride and the Crash...directly above the =
Tom.
I applied EQ and compression to the Kick and Snare tracks. The =
compression is a typical
3.99:1 ratio with 20ms attack and 50ms release. Using Waves C1 =
compressor.
Also I applied a PARIS Gate on both tracks.
I scooped out the lows and mids of the OHs just allowing the meat of =
the snare back in.
I gave a couple db to the highs and compressed it using the same =
settings as on the other tracks, but with a 26ms attack.
I then mixed all the tracks together to taste.
The room was very live...hardwood floors and vaulted ceiling.
No attempt at Isolation.
I am pleased with the seemingly even cymbals/hat.
The Kick doesnt quite have the snap I would like, but I was using a =
felt beater. Also my technique SUCKs...Can you hear the beater roll on =
the head?
I leave the beater up after I kick which greatly reduces punch of the =
kick.
The snare I am not pleased with. I really dont like the snare itself. =
Dont like its sound. This snare actually sounds better tuned like a =
piccalo.
Critques are very Welcome!!
Thanks Again!
Brandon
------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C73000.21C28D40
Content-Type: text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Diso-8859-1">
<META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.5730.11" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>First thing I'd do is get that 414 out =
of the kick=20
before you warp the diaphragm in it. Replace with a good <A=20
href=3D"http://www.zzounds.com/item--AUDD6">Audix D6</A> or <A=20
href=3D"http://www.zzounds.com/item--SHUBETA52A">Shure=20
Beta52</A>. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If' it's a cheap Tama kit (older =
swingstar,=20
right?), that is probably the lack of sub-lows I'm hearing in the kick. =
The 52=20
will shine here. Make sure it's on a stand inside the drum, pointed =
right at the=20
beater. Do 'not' place it in the center of the shell or it will have =
phase=20
issues, rather just a little bit to the left or right and angled so as =
to point=20
at the beater impact point. Some guys prefer to put it very very close =
to the=20
batter head, some prefer to get some shell tone and back it almost all =
the way=20
out of the kick drum. Experiment my bro, learning is good. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Snare.... spend a little more time in =
tuning it,=20
and maybe pick up a little MoonGel for the top head. I'm hearing just a =
bit more=20
metallic ring in the snare. Put a good coated/fiber head on the top, =
medium=20
thickness on the snare head side. I use Fiberskin on my metals, or =
Aquarian.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Brandon" <<A href=3D"mailto:a@a.com">a@a.com</A>> wrote in =
message=20
<A href=3D"news:459cf9fb@linux">news:459cf9fb@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#003399 size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A=20
href=3D" http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/BrandonGoodwinDrumMix.mp 3" =
target=3D_blank=20
=
rel=3Dnofollow>http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/BrandonGoodwinDrumMix.=
mp3</A></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">All,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Happy New =
Year!!</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">This is my 1st attempt at a =
live drum=20
recording.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I have always used Drumagog =
and=20
electronic samples in the past.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">This is a cheap TAMA kit =
setup=20
with....</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Kick =3D open =
front</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Snare =3D Steel (I dont know =
maybe 5 or 6=20
inch deep N'Dugu signature series)</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Zildgen =3D Dark crash, Dark =
Ride, Dark=20
HiHat</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Tom =3D 11 or 12 inch with =
bottom=20
head</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Floor Tom =3D without bottom=20
head</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">1 - AKG414 in Cardiod w/20db =
pad laying=20
on blanket inside the Kick.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">1 - SM57 in the usual spot on =
the top of=20
the snare.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">2 - Matched pair Rode NT5s in =
a XY stereo=20
configuration...3 feet above the cymbals centered between the Ride and =
the=20
Crash...directly above the Tom.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I applied EQ and compression =
to the Kick=20
and Snare tracks. The compression is a typical</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">3.99:1 ratio with 20ms attack =
and 50ms=20
release. Using Waves C1 compressor.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Also I applied a PARIS Gate =
on both=20
tracks.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I scooped out the lows and =
mids of the=20
OHs just allowing the meat of the snare back =
in.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I gave a couple db to the =
highs and=20
compressed it using the same settings as on the other tracks, but with =
a 26ms=20
attack.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I then mixed all the tracks =
together to=20
taste.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The room was very =
live...hardwood floors=20
and vaulted ceiling.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">No attempt at=20
Isolation.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I am pleased with the =
seemingly even=20
cymbals/hat.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The Kick doesnt quite have =
the snap I=20
would like, but I was using a felt beater. Also my technique =
SUCKs...Can you=20
hear the beater roll on the head?</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I leave the beater up after I =
kick which=20
greatly reduces punch of the kick.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The snare I am not pleased =
with. I really=20
dont like the snare itself. Dont like its sound. This snare actually =
sounds=20
better tuned like a piccalo.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Critques are very=20
Welcome!!</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Thanks =
Again!</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Brandon</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE ></BODY></H=
TML>
------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C73000.21C28D40--
|
|
|
|
| Re: My first live Drum Mix....take a listen [message #77883 is a reply to message #77872] |
Thu, 04 January 2007 12:37 |
Don Nafe
Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005
|
Senior Member |
|
|
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C73016.3997EC60
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would have to say no as the kit as you've recorded it must be dealt =
with as a single instrument and as such any EQ-ing will be totally =
dependent on the drums themselves. As for Compression...that to would =
be dependent on the kit and the mix...I usually put a bit on the snare =
and kik just to tame the transients but as for a 2 buss comp on the =
kit...hmmm, sometimes t works, sometimes it doesn't
Sorry I couldn't be specific
DOn
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:459d3834@linux...
Don ...do you have any suggestions on the mixing technique?....EQ or =
compression??
--=20
Thanks,
Brandon=20
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:459d34fb@linux...
Another very important point which you alluded to are the drums =
themselves and without a doubt the player. =20
Having a good sounding kit will make the process much more enjoyable =
as will a competant groovin' drummer manning the stix. Believe me the =
difference can be like night and day.
that being said I would love to hear more as you experiment with =
placement...could be the beginnings of a very informative thread
:-)
Don
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:459d2b99@linux...
First off get that 414 off the blanket and floating in the air =
somewhere near the kik drum....position to taste
OK
as for the snare, tighten the snares and add a bit of dampening =
to kill the ring a bit...you could also retune to the desired sound and =
adjust the dampening to taste
Snares are tight.. I will try retuning it though.
Try putting the OH's at your position as the =
drummer...approximately shoulder width and at least a foot above your =
head (to start with) then try some experimenting with aiming...you may =
even want to lower the mics above the respective toms ie: split the racs =
and aiming slightly at the snare and then the other mic over the Floor =
and then adjust their height to get the cymbals.
I was going to try just that next.
Just a few variations on a theme here
DOn
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:459cf9fb@linux...
http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/BrandonGoodwinDrumMix.mp 3
All,
Happy New Year!!
This is my 1st attempt at a live drum recording.
I have always used Drumagog and electronic samples in the =
past.
This is a cheap TAMA kit setup with....
Kick =3D open front
Snare =3D Steel (I dont know maybe 5 or 6 inch deep N'Dugu =
signature series)
Zildgen =3D Dark crash, Dark Ride, Dark HiHat
Tom =3D 11 or 12 inch with bottom head
Floor Tom =3D without bottom head
1 - AKG414 in Cardiod w/20db pad laying on blanket inside the =
Kick.
1 - SM57 in the usual spot on the top of the snare.
2 - Matched pair Rode NT5s in a XY stereo configuration...3 =
feet above the cymbals centered between the Ride and the =
Crash...directly above the Tom.
I applied EQ and compression to the Kick and Snare tracks. The =
compression is a typical
3.99:1 ratio with 20ms attack and 50ms release. Using Waves C1 =
compressor.
Also I applied a PARIS Gate on both tracks.
I scooped out the lows and mids of the OHs just allowing the =
meat of the snare back in.
I gave a couple db to the highs and compressed it using the =
same settings as on the other tracks, but with a 26ms attack.
I then mixed all the tracks together to taste.
The room was very live...hardwood floors and vaulted ceiling.
No attempt at Isolation.
I am pleased with the seemingly even cymbals/hat.
The Kick doesnt quite have the snap I would like, but I was =
using a felt beater. Also my technique SUCKs...Can you hear the beater =
roll on the head?
I leave the beater up after I kick which greatly reduces punch =
of the kick.
The snare I am not pleased with. I really dont like the snare =
itself. Dont like its sound. This snare actually sounds better tuned =
like a piccalo.
Critques are very Welcome!!
Thanks Again!
Brandon
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C73016.3997EC60
Content-Type: text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Diso-8859-1">
<META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.5730.11" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I would have to say no as the kit as =
you've=20
recorded it must be dealt with as a single instrument and as such any =
EQ-ing=20
will be totally dependent on the drums themselves. As for=20
Compression...that to would be dependent on the kit and the mix...I =
usually put=20
a bit on the snare and kik just to tame the transients but as for a 2 =
buss comp=20
on the kit...hmmm, sometimes t works, sometimes it doesn't</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sorry I couldn't be =
specific</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>DOn</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>"Brandon" <<A href=3D"mailto:a@a.com">a@a.com</A>> wrote in =
message <A=20
href=3D"news:459d3834@linux">news:459d3834@linux</A>...</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Don ...do you have any suggestions on the =
mixing=20
technique?....EQ or compression??</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>-- <BR>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Brandon </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"Don Nafe" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
href=3D"news:459d34fb@linux">news:459d34fb@linux</A>...</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Another very important point which =
you alluded=20
to are the drums themselves and without a doubt the player. =20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Having a good sounding kit will =
make the=20
process much more enjoyable as will a competant groovin' drummer =
manning the=20
stix. Believe me the difference can be like night and =
day.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>that being said I would love to =
hear more as=20
you experiment with placement...could be the beginnings of =
a very=20
informative thread</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>:-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Don</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Brandon" <<A href=3D"mailto:a@a.com">a@a.com</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A =
href=3D"news:459d2b99@linux">news:459d2b99@linux</A>...</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>First off get that 414 off the =
blanket and=20
floating in the air somewhere near the kik drum....position to=20
taste</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#ff0000 size=3D2>OK</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>as for the snare, tighten the =
snares and=20
add a bit of dampening to kill the ring a bit...you could also =
retune to=20
the desired sound and adjust the dampening to taste</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#ff0000 size=3D2>Snares are =
tight.. I will try=20
retuning it though.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Try putting the OH's at your =
position as=20
the drummer...approximately shoulder width and at least a foot =
above=20
your head (to start with) then try some experimenting with =
aiming...you=20
may even want to lower the mics above the respective toms =
ie: split=20
the racs and aiming slightly at the snare and then the other=20
mic over the Floor and then adjust their height to get the=20
cymbals.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#ff0000 size=3D2>I was going to =
try just that=20
next.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just a few variations on a =
theme=20
here</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>DOn</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Brandon" <<A href=3D"mailto:a@a.com">a@a.com</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A =
href=3D"news:459cf9fb@linux">news:459cf9fb@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#003399 =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A=20
=
href=3D" http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/BrandonGoodwinDrumMix.mp 3"=20
target=3D_blank=20
=
rel=3Dnofollow>http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/BrandonGoodwinDrumMix.=
mp3</A></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">All,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Happy New=20
Year!!</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">This is my=20
1st attempt at a live drum recording.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">I have=20
always used Drumagog and electronic samples in the=20
past.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">This is a=20
cheap TAMA kit setup with....</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Kick =3D=20
open front</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Snare =3D=20
Steel (I dont know maybe 5 or 6 inch deep N'Dugu signature=20
series)</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Zildgen =3D=20
Dark crash, Dark Ride, Dark HiHat</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Tom =3D 11=20
or 12 inch with bottom head</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Floor Tom=20
=3D without bottom head</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">1 - AKG414=20
in Cardiod w/20db pad laying on blanket inside the=20
Kick.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">1 - SM57=20
in the usual spot on the top of the =
snare.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">2 -=20
Matched pair Rode NT5s in a XY stereo configuration...3 feet =
above the=20
cymbals centered between the Ride and the Crash...directly =
above the=20
Tom.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">I applied=20
EQ and compression to the Kick and Snare tracks. The =
compression is a=20
typical</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">3.99:1=20
ratio with 20ms attack and 50ms release. Using Waves C1=20
compressor.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Also I=20
applied a PARIS Gate on both tracks.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">I scooped=20
out the lows and mids of the OHs just allowing the meat of the =
snare=20
back in.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">I gave a=20
couple db to the highs and compressed it using the same =
settings as on=20
the other tracks, but with a 26ms =
attack.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">I then=20
mixed all the tracks together to =
taste.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">The room=20
was very live...hardwood floors and vaulted=20
ceiling.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">No attempt=20
at Isolation.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">I am=20
pleased with the seemingly even =
cymbals/hat.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">The Kick=20
doesnt quite have the snap I would like, but I was using a =
felt=20
beater. Also my technique SUCKs...Can you hear the beater roll =
on the=20
head?</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">I leave=20
the beater up after I kick which greatly reduces punch of the=20
kick.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">The snare=20
I am not pleased with. I really dont like the snare itself. =
Dont like=20
its sound. This snare actually sounds better tuned like a=20
piccalo.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Critques=20
are very Welcome!!</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Thanks=20
Again!</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Brandon</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE ></BLOCKQUO=
TE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML >
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C73016.3997EC60--
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Re: My first live Drum Mix....take a listen [message #77907 is a reply to message #77905] |
Thu, 04 January 2007 21:52 |
neil[1]
Messages: 164
Registered: October 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Brandon, posted the other two files yu sent & shot you an
e-mail with the links... personally, I like this one the best:
http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/BGoodwin-b52-3in2beater& amp;plasticbeater.mp3
The snare seems to have more body to it & the whole kit a bit
more life in general than this one:
http://www.saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/BGoodwin-b52-3in& ;hardbeat&retunesnare.mp3
(which I know you said is the one you liked best, but I guess
it's a personal taste thing)
But I mostly wanted you to know that none of these clips are a
fair comparison, since you're not playing the exact same riffs
in the exact same tempo & with the exact same striking force on
each & every hit in each of the three clips.
<evil grin>
Seriously, though, IMNSFHO, none of the last three suck - in
fact, either of them could be eminently useable, depending on
the context & the genre of the music... and when I say "useable"
I don't necessarily mean "dialed-in & ready to RAWK", I mean:
"a very good starting point from which to begin to tweak".
Gotta remember, it's often easier to make drums sound good by
themselves than it is to make them work in the context of
whatever you're mixing (otherwise, would guys with shitoads of
Grammys on their walls be endorsing Drumagog, and would there
even BE a software app called "Sound Replacer"?).
One question, though - you said you had your snare mic "in the
usual position"? I don't know what that means... IME, there IS
no "usual position" every snare sound has it's own needs &
snare is one of the instruments (Don looks at the kit as a
single instrument, I look at it as a bunch of individual
instruments that have to work togeher in a very specific
manner - like a string section, for example) wherein a VERY
SLIGHT move of the mic can make an ENORMOUS difference in the
sound you get... a half-inch can make the dfference
beween "thwump" and "BANG!"
Anyway, looks like you got some good advice from Aaron &
others, I think the moon gel helped that particular kit, and
switching kick mics made a big diff. Those sound good - I've
heard a lot worse.... you're ready to go, dude; you've got a
good starting point... bring someone in there & start tracking!
Neil
|
|
|
|
| Re: My first live Drum Mix....take a listen [message #77911 is a reply to message #77907] |
Fri, 05 January 2007 05:43 |
brandon[2]
Messages: 380
Registered: June 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Neil,
Thanks for the input and kind words.
Yeah... we are probably thinking of different genres.
I am thinking of more along the lines of soft rock or something.
The one you choose I would think would be a good starting
point for something along the lines of Nirvana.
I hear what you mean about the live feeling or open-ness.
The major difference between the two is the use of the C1 comp on the OHs
instead of the PARIS comp. Perhaps I squashed them a bit too much
even though they are the same settings. I forget, but the
PARIS comps work a bit differently don't they?
--
Thanks,
Brandon
"Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:459dd984$1@linux...
>
> Brandon, posted the other two files yu sent & shot you an
> e-mail with the links... personally, I like this one the best:
>
>
http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/BGoodwin-b52-3in2beater& amp;plasticbeater.mp3
>
> The snare seems to have more body to it & the whole kit a bit
> more life in general than this one:
>
>
http://www.saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/BGoodwin-b52-3in& ;hardbeat&retunesnare.mp3
>
> (which I know you said is the one you liked best, but I guess
> it's a personal taste thing)
>
> But I mostly wanted you to know that none of these clips are a
> fair comparison, since you're not playing the exact same riffs
> in the exact same tempo & with the exact same striking force on
> each & every hit in each of the three clips.
>
> <evil grin>
>
> Seriously, though, IMNSFHO, none of the last three suck - in
> fact, either of them could be eminently useable, depending on
> the context & the genre of the music... and when I say "useable"
> I don't necessarily mean "dialed-in & ready to RAWK", I mean:
> "a very good starting point from which to begin to tweak".
> Gotta remember, it's often easier to make drums sound good by
> themselves than it is to make them work in the context of
> whatever you're mixing (otherwise, would guys with shitoads of
> Grammys on their walls be endorsing Drumagog, and would there
> even BE a software app called "Sound Replacer"?).
>
> One question, though - you said you had your snare mic "in the
> usual position"? I don't know what that means... IME, there IS
> no "usual position" every snare sound has it's own needs &
> snare is one of the instruments (Don looks at the kit as a
> single instrument, I look at it as a bunch of individual
> instruments that have to work togeher in a very specific
> manner - like a string section, for example) wherein a VERY
> SLIGHT move of the mic can make an ENORMOUS difference in the
> sound you get... a half-inch can make the dfference
> beween "thwump" and "BANG!"
>
> Anyway, looks like you got some good advice from Aaron &
> others, I think the moon gel helped that particular kit, and
> switching kick mics made a big diff. Those sound good - I've
> heard a lot worse.... you're ready to go, dude; you've got a
> good starting point... bring someone in there & start tracking!
>
> Neil
|
|
|
|
| Re: My first live Drum Mix....take a listen [message #77967 is a reply to message #77911] |
Fri, 05 January 2007 20:00 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
|
Senior Member |
|
|
First one, the snare is more open and louder. I'm not sure I can really
compare the two files because they're level-wise too differing. I think with
the right level adjustments the 2nd one will be the better/happier snare to
mix. The hard kick beater made a nice difference.. remember, you can always
pull back the click to be less present in the mix but if it sounds like
you're smacking the drum with a dead cat body, you can't recover a click
that wasn't there to start.
This graphic cat moment brought to you by Bolo dog treats.
Seriously though, you are heading the right direction.
You might want to experiment with the AKG in cardiod pointed on the side/at
the body of the snare also, some guys dig what that does.
AA
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:459e5328@linux...
> Neil,
>
> Thanks for the input and kind words.
> Yeah... we are probably thinking of different genres.
> I am thinking of more along the lines of soft rock or something.
> The one you choose I would think would be a good starting
> point for something along the lines of Nirvana.
> I hear what you mean about the live feeling or open-ness.
> The major difference between the two is the use of the C1 comp on the OHs
> instead of the PARIS comp. Perhaps I squashed them a bit too much
> even though they are the same settings. I forget, but the
> PARIS comps work a bit differently don't they?
>
> --
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon
>
>
>
>
> "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:459dd984$1@linux...
>>
>> Brandon, posted the other two files yu sent & shot you an
>> e-mail with the links... personally, I like this one the best:
>>
>>
> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/BGoodwin-b52-3in2beater& amp;plasticbeater.mp3
>>
>> The snare seems to have more body to it & the whole kit a bit
>> more life in general than this one:
>>
>>
> http://www.saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/BGoodwin-b52-3in& ;hardbeat&retunesnare.mp3
>>
>> (which I know you said is the one you liked best, but I guess
>> it's a personal taste thing)
>>
>> But I mostly wanted you to know that none of these clips are a
>> fair comparison, since you're not playing the exact same riffs
>> in the exact same tempo & with the exact same striking force on
>> each & every hit in each of the three clips.
>>
>> <evil grin>
>>
>> Seriously, though, IMNSFHO, none of the last three suck - in
>> fact, either of them could be eminently useable, depending on
>> the context & the genre of the music... and when I say "useable"
>> I don't necessarily mean "dialed-in & ready to RAWK", I mean:
>> "a very good starting point from which to begin to tweak".
>> Gotta remember, it's often easier to make drums sound good by
>> themselves than it is to make them work in the context of
>> whatever you're mixing (otherwise, would guys with shitoads of
>> Grammys on their walls be endorsing Drumagog, and would there
>> even BE a software app called "Sound Replacer"?).
>>
>> One question, though - you said you had your snare mic "in the
>> usual position"? I don't know what that means... IME, there IS
>> no "usual position" every snare sound has it's own needs &
>> snare is one of the instruments (Don looks at the kit as a
>> single instrument, I look at it as a bunch of individual
>> instruments that have to work togeher in a very specific
>> manner - like a string section, for example) wherein a VERY
>> SLIGHT move of the mic can make an ENORMOUS difference in the
>> sound you get... a half-inch can make the dfference
>> beween "thwump" and "BANG!"
>>
>> Anyway, looks like you got some good advice from Aaron &
>> others, I think the moon gel helped that particular kit, and
>> switching kick mics made a big diff. Those sound good - I've
>> heard a lot worse.... you're ready to go, dude; you've got a
>> good starting point... bring someone in there & start tracking!
>>
>> Neil
>
>
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Re: My first live Drum Mix....take a listen [message #78005 is a reply to message #77967] |
Sat, 06 January 2007 19:55 |
Stevehwan
Messages: 207
Registered: January 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
The bass drum sounds great!
Steve Cox
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>First one, the snare is more open and louder. I'm not sure I can really
>compare the two files because they're level-wise too differing. I think
with
>the right level adjustments the 2nd one will be the better/happier snare
to
>mix. The hard kick beater made a nice difference.. remember, you can always
>pull back the click to be less present in the mix but if it sounds like
>you're smacking the drum with a dead cat body, you can't recover a click
>that wasn't there to start.
>This graphic cat moment brought to you by Bolo dog treats.
>
>Seriously though, you are heading the right direction.
>You might want to experiment with the AKG in cardiod pointed on the side/at
>the body of the snare also, some guys dig what that does.
>
>AA
>
>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:459e5328@linux...
>> Neil,
>>
>> Thanks for the input and kind words.
>> Yeah... we are probably thinking of different genres.
>> I am thinking of more along the lines of soft rock or something.
>> The one you choose I would think would be a good starting
>> point for something along the lines of Nirvana.
>> I hear what you mean about the live feeling or open-ness.
>> The major difference between the two is the use of the C1 comp on the
OHs
>> instead of the PARIS comp. Perhaps I squashed them a bit too much
>> even though they are the same settings. I forget, but the
>> PARIS comps work a bit differently don't they?
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brandon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:459dd984$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Brandon, posted the other two files yu sent & shot you an
>>> e-mail with the links... personally, I like this one the best:
>>>
>>>
>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/BGoodwin-b52-3in2beater& amp;plasticbeater.mp3
>>>
>>> The snare seems to have more body to it & the whole kit a bit
>>> more life in general than this one:
>>>
>>>
>> http://www.saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/BGoodwin-b52-3in& ;hardbeat&retunesnare.mp3
>>>
>>> (which I know you said is the one you liked best, but I guess
>>> it's a personal taste thing)
>>>
>>> But I mostly wanted you to know that none of these clips are a
>>> fair comparison, since you're not playing the exact same riffs
>>> in the exact same tempo & with the exact same striking force on
>>> each & every hit in each of the three clips.
>>>
>>> <evil grin>
>>>
>>> Seriously, though, IMNSFHO, none of the last three suck - in
>>> fact, either of them could be eminently useable, depending on
>>> the context & the genre of the music... and when I say "useable"
>>> I don't necessarily mean "dialed-in & ready to RAWK", I mean:
>>> "a very good starting point from which to begin to tweak".
>>> Gotta remember, it's often easier to make drums sound good by
>>> themselves than it is to make them work in the context of
>>> whatever you're mixing (otherwise, would guys with shitoads of
>>> Grammys on their walls be endorsing Drumagog, and would there
>>> even BE a software app called "Sound Replacer"?).
>>>
>>> One question, though - you said you had your snare mic "in the
>>> usual position"? I don't know what that means... IME, there IS
>>> no "usual position" every snare sound has it's own needs &
>>> snare is one of the instruments (Don looks at the kit as a
>>> single instrument, I look at it as a bunch of individual
>>> instruments that have to work togeher in a very specific
>>> manner - like a string section, for example) wherein a VERY
>>> SLIGHT move of the mic can make an ENORMOUS difference in the
>>> sound you get... a half-inch can make the dfference
>>> beween "thwump" and "BANG!"
>>>
>>> Anyway, looks like you got some good advice from Aaron &
>>> others, I think the moon gel helped that particular kit, and
>>> switching kick mics made a big diff. Those sound good - I've
>>> heard a lot worse.... you're ready to go, dude; you've got a
>>> good starting point... bring someone in there & start tracking!
>>>
>>> Neil
>>
>>
>
>
|
|
|
|
Goto Forum:
Current Time: Wed Dec 25 15:48:10 PST 2024
Total time taken to generate the page: 0.01458 seconds
|
The PARIS Forums
Search
Help
Members
Register
Login
Home
