| Deej and Neil [message #78130] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 08:42  |
TCB
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Hey guys,
It looks like I'm going to be mixing a rock'n'roll project sooner than I
thought using the SX/Scope setup. I've been going through the Scope mixer
doco (pretty cool, actually) and I'm wondering how you guys are integrating
VST f/x in SX with the Scope f/x. Are you sending all tracks straight to
SFP channels and using VST inserts and sends before SFP? Are you automating
in SX or using MIDI to automate the SFP mixer? It looks to me like the SFP
mixer is more versatile (mute and fader groups, the way busses can be linked,
etc.) but the automation in SX is way easier than doing MIDI automation to
SFP. Just looking for ideas because I know I'm going to make some mistakes
before I get it right for me.
Thanks much,
TCB
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| Re: Deej and Neil [message #78134 is a reply to message #78130] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 09:11  |
DJ
Messages: 1124
Registered: July 2005
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Thad,
I'm still summing in Paris right now so any Scope plugins are "post" Cubase
SX/VST. My routing matrix is Byzantine and involves routing 48 ASIO sources
to the SPF 48/96 mixer (or whatever it's called), then sending these
individual tracks from the mixer direct outs to 48 Pulsar ADAT destinations
which are physically patched to 48 Paris inputs. 40 of these are routed 1:1
to individual Paris tracks. The other ADAT source is physically patched to
an RME ADI4-DD which is interfaced via AES with 4 x external FX processors
and configured with Aux busses 1-4 of the Scope mixer and physically patched
to a Paris ADAT I/O which is routed to 4 Paris aux busses on a card submix
in the Paris virtual patchbay so that any of the 40 audio tracks that are
being streamed via ASIO from Cubase to the Scope mixer can be routed to any
or all 4 of the external processors and processed in parallel via the
Scope/Paris aux.. I've also got the analog I/O of my A16u set up as external
inserts in Cubase.
sorry........but you asked. ;o)
I've been thinking of getting some kind of mix automation happening via midi
with the Scope mixer, but haven't gone there yet. I've never done this
before and it makes my head hurt, but everyone says it's easy. I'm currently
a midiot and the thought of another learning curve right now just makes my
head hurt.. When I finaly give up summing in Paris, I will likely be wanting
to get into this though.
Deej
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:45a50953$1@linux...
>
> Hey guys,
>
> It looks like I'm going to be mixing a rock'n'roll project sooner than I
> thought using the SX/Scope setup. I've been going through the Scope mixer
> doco (pretty cool, actually) and I'm wondering how you guys are
> integrating
> VST f/x in SX with the Scope f/x. Are you sending all tracks straight to
> SFP channels and using VST inserts and sends before SFP? Are you
> automating
> in SX or using MIDI to automate the SFP mixer? It looks to me like the SFP
> mixer is more versatile (mute and fader groups, the way busses can be
> linked,
> etc.) but the automation in SX is way easier than doing MIDI automation to
> SFP. Just looking for ideas because I know I'm going to make some mistakes
> before I get it right for me.
>
> Thanks much,
>
> TCB
>
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| Re: Deej and Neil [message #78137 is a reply to message #78134] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 10:06 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Cool Deej, and trust me, recording MIDI automation into SX is about one one
thousandth as tricky as your current audio routing. If you have problems
I'm sure I'll be doing at least SOME of that myself so I'll be happy to help.
What would be nice is if one could load VST f/x into SFP or even better if
SFP could run as a ReWire slave. Now THAT would be a real improvement.
TCB
"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>Thad,
>
>I'm still summing in Paris right now so any Scope plugins are "post" Cubase
>SX/VST. My routing matrix is Byzantine and involves routing 48 ASIO sources
>to the SPF 48/96 mixer (or whatever it's called), then sending these
>individual tracks from the mixer direct outs to 48 Pulsar ADAT destinations
>which are physically patched to 48 Paris inputs. 40 of these are routed
1:1
>to individual Paris tracks. The other ADAT source is physically patched
to
>an RME ADI4-DD which is interfaced via AES with 4 x external FX processors
>and configured with Aux busses 1-4 of the Scope mixer and physically patched
>to a Paris ADAT I/O which is routed to 4 Paris aux busses on a card submix
>in the Paris virtual patchbay so that any of the 40 audio tracks that are
>being streamed via ASIO from Cubase to the Scope mixer can be routed to
any
>or all 4 of the external processors and processed in parallel via the
>Scope/Paris aux.. I've also got the analog I/O of my A16u set up as external
>inserts in Cubase.
>
>sorry........but you asked. ;o)
>
>I've been thinking of getting some kind of mix automation happening via
midi
>with the Scope mixer, but haven't gone there yet. I've never done this
>before and it makes my head hurt, but everyone says it's easy. I'm currently
>a midiot and the thought of another learning curve right now just makes
my
>head hurt.. When I finaly give up summing in Paris, I will likely be wanting
>to get into this though.
>
>Deej
>
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:45a50953$1@linux...
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> It looks like I'm going to be mixing a rock'n'roll project sooner than
I
>> thought using the SX/Scope setup. I've been going through the Scope mixer
>> doco (pretty cool, actually) and I'm wondering how you guys are
>> integrating
>> VST f/x in SX with the Scope f/x. Are you sending all tracks straight
to
>> SFP channels and using VST inserts and sends before SFP? Are you
>> automating
>> in SX or using MIDI to automate the SFP mixer? It looks to me like the
SFP
>> mixer is more versatile (mute and fader groups, the way busses can be
>> linked,
>> etc.) but the automation in SX is way easier than doing MIDI automation
to
>> SFP. Just looking for ideas because I know I'm going to make some mistakes
>> before I get it right for me.
>>
>> Thanks much,
>>
>> TCB
>>
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| Re: Deej and Neil [message #78142 is a reply to message #78137] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 09:57 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
Registered: July 2005
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Senior Member |
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"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:45a51d15$1@linux...
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> Cool Deej, and trust me, recording MIDI automation into SX is about one
> one
> thousandth as tricky as your current audio routing. If you have problems
> I'm sure I'll be doing at least SOME of that myself so I'll be happy to
> help.
Thanks Thad. I'll ping you if I hit the wall.
:o)
> What would be nice is if one could load VST f/x into SFP or even better if
> SFP could run as a ReWire slave. Now THAT would be a real improvement.
>
> TCB
Another thing that would be waycool is if the XTC mode could work in
parallel with the normal mode so that the Scope plugins could be used as
inserts/send FX in the native environment while the Scope mixer was being
used for routing/summing. Actually, I have only taken others' word that this
can't be done so, having yet not tried to convolute and pervert the Scope
environment, I'm still not convinced that I can't get this to happen
somehow.
;o)
>
> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>Thad,
>>
>>I'm still summing in Paris right now so any Scope plugins are "post"
>>Cubase
>
>>SX/VST. My routing matrix is Byzantine and involves routing 48 ASIO
>>sources
>
>>to the SPF 48/96 mixer (or whatever it's called), then sending these
>>individual tracks from the mixer direct outs to 48 Pulsar ADAT
>>destinations
>
>>which are physically patched to 48 Paris inputs. 40 of these are routed
> 1:1
>>to individual Paris tracks. The other ADAT source is physically patched
> to
>>an RME ADI4-DD which is interfaced via AES with 4 x external FX processors
>
>>and configured with Aux busses 1-4 of the Scope mixer and physically
>>patched
>
>>to a Paris ADAT I/O which is routed to 4 Paris aux busses on a card submix
>
>>in the Paris virtual patchbay so that any of the 40 audio tracks that are
>
>>being streamed via ASIO from Cubase to the Scope mixer can be routed to
> any
>>or all 4 of the external processors and processed in parallel via the
>>Scope/Paris aux.. I've also got the analog I/O of my A16u set up as
>>external
>
>>inserts in Cubase.
>>
>>sorry........but you asked. ;o)
>>
>>I've been thinking of getting some kind of mix automation happening via
> midi
>>with the Scope mixer, but haven't gone there yet. I've never done this
>>before and it makes my head hurt, but everyone says it's easy. I'm
>>currently
>
>>a midiot and the thought of another learning curve right now just makes
> my
>>head hurt.. When I finaly give up summing in Paris, I will likely be
>>wanting
>
>>to get into this though.
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:45a50953$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> It looks like I'm going to be mixing a rock'n'roll project sooner than
> I
>>> thought using the SX/Scope setup. I've been going through the Scope
>>> mixer
>>> doco (pretty cool, actually) and I'm wondering how you guys are
>>> integrating
>>> VST f/x in SX with the Scope f/x. Are you sending all tracks straight
> to
>>> SFP channels and using VST inserts and sends before SFP? Are you
>>> automating
>>> in SX or using MIDI to automate the SFP mixer? It looks to me like the
> SFP
>>> mixer is more versatile (mute and fader groups, the way busses can be
>
>>> linked,
>>> etc.) but the automation in SX is way easier than doing MIDI automation
> to
>>> SFP. Just looking for ideas because I know I'm going to make some
>>> mistakes
>>> before I get it right for me.
>>>
>>> Thanks much,
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>
>>
>
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