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| easiest software to transition to from Paris? [message #101606] |
Sun, 14 December 2008 03:13  |
Shane M
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Hi all. I haven't recorded in years, and am surprised at some recent posts
about Paris updates - have to read more about that - but I was wondering
what users find as good transition software when moving from Paris?
I'm currently messing around with Ableton Live Lite and finding it kindof
frustrating at first, and have worked some with Acid - actually like how
easily it works with loops. Ableton would seem to be better platform for
looping stuff - I'm a guitarist and like layering parts - but I'm not exactly
getting the ease of use part of things yet. I actually moved the loops I
recorded in Ableton to Acid just to work on the composition which seemed
kindof messy in Ableton.
But for mixing I can't see doing any serious mixing or recording more than
simple takes on these other systems.
I am interested in composing some stuff with midi and virtual instruments
and Tracktion might be worth considering for that given Garriton personal
orchestra. I also have some LE versions of Cubase and SONAR that came with
my EMU1212 soundcard but I haven't tried yet. I used to play around with
Voyetra Pro for pianoscroll and stepwrite writing midi songs and had fun
with that, but gotta think there's a good usable mix of midi and real life
audio out there that's not too complicated. I'd love to be able to mix in
some cool sounding synths like a B3, and also have drum loop grooves integrate
easily.
I haven't been able to listen to many of the midi tunes I wrote years ago
with any quality because I haven't had a decent general midi soundset to
play them back with - it seems like midi has moved past that concept of sound
to things and software I don't understand.
Anyhow, I appreciate any suggestion folks might have for what other softwares
share the same mindspace of design as Paris, but also let me easily integrate
with midi sounds and drum loops.
thanks in advance for feedback, Shane
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| Re: easiest software to transition to from Paris? [message #101615 is a reply to message #101614] |
Sun, 14 December 2008 12:36  |
Shane M
Messages: 12
Registered: December 2008
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Tom, I think for mixing bigger stuff I will, and definitely for tracking
with a band as I don't have enough inputs in other apps and Paris is so easy
for that, but I'm looking to use tools for songwriting and composition too,
and am finding on the fly looping like Ableton Live very cool for working
out song layers (and just fun).
The interest in midi functionality is because I used to write alot of stuff
with stepwrite (i'm not a good key player) doing soundtrack and instrumental
pieces. just looking for different flavors of stuff without necessarily
learning entirely new and vastly different workflow.
I'm mainly a rock guy, but I've even have a hip-hop tune in my head for several
years that I want to give a go and I'm clueless as to how to approach all
the sounds I'm hearing.
thanks for the second on Cubase.
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>Shane,
>
>If time is so important why not stay with Paris if you know it?
>
>I like Cubase. It's mixer is similar in function to Paris. Routing
>is more advanced. Midi is great. There is a learning curve though.
>The mix bus is clean. It won't allow abuse like Paris.
>
>Tom
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>"Shane M" <shanem@nospam.com> wrote in message news:49454cca$1@linux...
>>
>> thanks John, but I don't have 100 hours to learn - I'm trying to maximize
>> creativity time. I'm mostly a hobbyist with a more than fulltime day
job
>> that takes most of my energy. Free time to devote to music is
>> considerably
>> limited. I've got a bit of free time around the holidays with a few days
>> off to think about things and direction, but...
>>
>> thanks for comment on cubase. Do you find cubase concepts similar to
the
>> way Paris works?
>>
>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I would recommend finding out what others who make the style of music
you
>>>like are using and then use that system. This way you are benefiting
from
>>>the sweat of others finding out what works.
>>>
>>>I'm in cubase and love if for what I'm doing which is very little midi
>>>just
>>>because i don't like midi. I do pretty much all audio tracks. Once you
>>>find out what you are going to use plan on committing to reading the
>>>manuals
>>>and a steep learning curve but since you are committed, you can spend
100
>>>hours learning the basics and take it with you for many years.
>>>
>>>John
>>
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| Re: easiest software to transition to from Paris? [message #101620 is a reply to message #101606] |
Sun, 14 December 2008 13:43 |
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If you haven't seen REAPER, you can download it here and try it to see if
it suits your needs. If you like it, the license (honor system) is $50 for
your needs (it's higher for commercial use). There aren't a lot of built-in
instruments but if you check their forums there are links to a wide range of
good quality freeware instruments and other plugins.
REAPER rocks. It's worth giving it a try - if you like it, the price is
right, the features brilliant and it's certainly all the power and
flexibility you'd ever need.
http://www.reaper.fm/
- K
On 12/14/08 3:13 AM, in article 4944dc56$1@linux, "Shane M"
<shanem@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all. I haven't recorded in years, and am surprised at some recent posts
> about Paris updates - have to read more about that - but I was wondering
> what users find as good transition software when moving from Paris?
>
> I'm currently messing around with Ableton Live Lite and finding it kindof
> frustrating at first, and have worked some with Acid - actually like how
> easily it works with loops. Ableton would seem to be better platform for
> looping stuff - I'm a guitarist and like layering parts - but I'm not exactly
> getting the ease of use part of things yet. I actually moved the loops I
> recorded in Ableton to Acid just to work on the composition which seemed
> kindof messy in Ableton.
>
> But for mixing I can't see doing any serious mixing or recording more than
> simple takes on these other systems.
>
> I am interested in composing some stuff with midi and virtual instruments
> and Tracktion might be worth considering for that given Garriton personal
> orchestra. I also have some LE versions of Cubase and SONAR that came with
> my EMU1212 soundcard but I haven't tried yet. I used to play around with
> Voyetra Pro for pianoscroll and stepwrite writing midi songs and had fun
> with that, but gotta think there's a good usable mix of midi and real life
> audio out there that's not too complicated. I'd love to be able to mix in
> some cool sounding synths like a B3, and also have drum loop grooves integrate
> easily.
>
> I haven't been able to listen to many of the midi tunes I wrote years ago
> with any quality because I haven't had a decent general midi soundset to
> play them back with - it seems like midi has moved past that concept of sound
> to things and software I don't understand.
>
> Anyhow, I appreciate any suggestion folks might have for what other softwares
> share the same mindspace of design as Paris, but also let me easily integrate
> with midi sounds and drum loops.
>
> thanks in advance for feedback, Shane
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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| Re: easiest software to transition to from Paris? [message #101622 is a reply to message #101620] |
Sun, 14 December 2008 15:57 |
Jim Drago[2]
Messages: 102
Registered: December 2008
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I was just goig to suggest REAPER. Haven't had a chance to work with it yet,
but it sure looks promising.
Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>If you haven't seen REAPER, you can download it here and try it to see
if
>it suits your needs. If you like it, the license (honor system) is $50 for
>your needs (it's higher for commercial use). There aren't a lot of built-in
>instruments but if you check their forums there are links to a wide range
of
>good quality freeware instruments and other plugins.
>
>REAPER rocks. It's worth giving it a try - if you like it, the price is
>right, the features brilliant and it's certainly all the power and
>flexibility you'd ever need.
>
>http://www.reaper.fm/
>
>- K
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>On 12/14/08 3:13 AM, in article 4944dc56$1@linux, "Shane M"
><shanem@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all. I haven't recorded in years, and am surprised at some recent
posts
>> about Paris updates - have to read more about that - but I was wondering
>> what users find as good transition software when moving from Paris?
>>
>> I'm currently messing around with Ableton Live Lite and finding it kindof
>> frustrating at first, and have worked some with Acid - actually like how
>> easily it works with loops. Ableton would seem to be better platform
for
>> looping stuff - I'm a guitarist and like layering parts - but I'm not
exactly
>> getting the ease of use part of things yet. I actually moved the loops
I
>> recorded in Ableton to Acid just to work on the composition which seemed
>> kindof messy in Ableton.
>>
>> But for mixing I can't see doing any serious mixing or recording more
than
>> simple takes on these other systems.
>>
>> I am interested in composing some stuff with midi and virtual instruments
>> and Tracktion might be worth considering for that given Garriton personal
>> orchestra. I also have some LE versions of Cubase and SONAR that came
with
>> my EMU1212 soundcard but I haven't tried yet. I used to play around with
>> Voyetra Pro for pianoscroll and stepwrite writing midi songs and had fun
>> with that, but gotta think there's a good usable mix of midi and real
life
>> audio out there that's not too complicated. I'd love to be able to mix
in
>> some cool sounding synths like a B3, and also have drum loop grooves integrate
>> easily.
>>
>> I haven't been able to listen to many of the midi tunes I wrote years
ago
>> with any quality because I haven't had a decent general midi soundset
to
>> play them back with - it seems like midi has moved past that concept of
sound
>> to things and software I don't understand.
>>
>> Anyhow, I appreciate any suggestion folks might have for what other softwares
>> share the same mindspace of design as Paris, but also let me easily integrate
>> with midi sounds and drum loops.
>>
>> thanks in advance for feedback, Shane
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| Re: easiest software to transition to from Paris? [message #101625 is a reply to message #101622] |
Sun, 14 December 2008 16:35 |
Martin Harrington
Messages: 560
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I've got Reaper on my laptop (MBP), and it is a very intuitive and well
designed program.
Easy to get your head around, with no steep learning curve.
BTW, I'm not sure what John is talking about when he says that Cubase has a
steep learning curve...it too is very intuitive.
Getting into the intricacies may take some using, but you can make music
pretty much straight away...IMHO.
Having said that, I haven't used it for a couple of years, I now use Pro
Tools and Logic, ( which I really like, and is extremely powerful)
Martin H
On 15/12/08 10:57 AM, in article 49458f40$1@linux, "jim drago"
<jimdrago@embarqmail.com> wrote:
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> I was just goig to suggest REAPER. Haven't had a chance to work with it yet,
> but it sure looks promising.
> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>> If you haven't seen REAPER, you can download it here and try it to see
> if
>> it suits your needs. If you like it, the license (honor system) is $50 for
>> your needs (it's higher for commercial use). There aren't a lot of built-in
>> instruments but if you check their forums there are links to a wide range
> of
>> good quality freeware instruments and other plugins.
>>
>> REAPER rocks. It's worth giving it a try - if you like it, the price is
>> right, the features brilliant and it's certainly all the power and
>> flexibility you'd ever need.
>>
>> http://www.reaper.fm/
>>
>> - K
>>
>>
>> On 12/14/08 3:13 AM, in article 4944dc56$1@linux, "Shane M"
>> <shanem@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all. I haven't recorded in years, and am surprised at some recent
> posts
>>> about Paris updates - have to read more about that - but I was wondering
>>> what users find as good transition software when moving from Paris?
>>>
>>> I'm currently messing around with Ableton Live Lite and finding it kindof
>>> frustrating at first, and have worked some with Acid - actually like how
>>> easily it works with loops. Ableton would seem to be better platform
> for
>>> looping stuff - I'm a guitarist and like layering parts - but I'm not
> exactly
>>> getting the ease of use part of things yet. I actually moved the loops
> I
>>> recorded in Ableton to Acid just to work on the composition which seemed
>>> kindof messy in Ableton.
>>>
>>> But for mixing I can't see doing any serious mixing or recording more
> than
>>> simple takes on these other systems.
>>>
>>> I am interested in composing some stuff with midi and virtual instruments
>>> and Tracktion might be worth considering for that given Garriton personal
>>> orchestra. I also have some LE versions of Cubase and SONAR that came
> with
>>> my EMU1212 soundcard but I haven't tried yet. I used to play around with
>>> Voyetra Pro for pianoscroll and stepwrite writing midi songs and had fun
>>> with that, but gotta think there's a good usable mix of midi and real
> life
>>> audio out there that's not too complicated. I'd love to be able to mix
> in
>>> some cool sounding synths like a B3, and also have drum loop grooves
>>> integrate
>>> easily.
>>>
>>> I haven't been able to listen to many of the midi tunes I wrote years
> ago
>>> with any quality because I haven't had a decent general midi soundset
> to
>>> play them back with - it seems like midi has moved past that concept of
> sound
>>> to things and software I don't understand.
>>>
>>> Anyhow, I appreciate any suggestion folks might have for what other
>>> softwares
>>> share the same mindspace of design as Paris, but also let me easily
>>> integrate
>>> with midi sounds and drum loops.
>>>
>>> thanks in advance for feedback, Shane
>>
>
Martin H
Lend An Ear Sound
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| Re: easiest software to transition to from Paris? [message #101626 is a reply to message #101620] |
Sun, 14 December 2008 18:47 |
Paul Artola
Messages: 161
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I'll add a two thumbs up for Reaper here. My Paris DAW sits idle in
the corner, while my primary recording setup is a homebuilt
Reaper/UAD-1 computer with a Tascam DM4800 into a MOTU 2408mk3 front
end. Mostly, I use the Tascam as a control surface for Reaper, since I
don't track too much these days. A lot of my tunes recently are
assembled in Acid, then exported as individual tracks for mixdown in
the Reaper DAW using the Tascam to write automation.
Paris will still have a place here, I think, since I have it in a
semi-portable rack, so I could use it to track in other rooms, then
mix in Paris or move tracks into Reaper.
A couple of cool things to point out about Reaper. It supports skins
and the user community has come up with dozens of them. This is really
useful for making it user-friendly to me, since no other DAW software
caressed my eyes like Paris. Wish someone with talent would come up
with a Paris skin.
Second, while Reaper doesn't come with too many instrument plugins, it
does have a sick collection of effect plugs, and I have found ReaFIR
to be a powerful, surgical eq tool.
Finally, there is a growing, fanatical user base, who have produced
lots of documentation, howtos and even videos. New versions come out
about once per month, and the developer is actively involved with the
online forum.
If you want more testimonials, talk to Chris Ludwig.
- Paul Artola
Ellicott City, Maryland
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:43:15 -0800, Kerry Galloway
<kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>If you haven't seen REAPER, you can download it here and try it to see if
>it suits your needs. If you like it, the license (honor system) is $50 for
>your needs (it's higher for commercial use). There aren't a lot of built-in
>instruments but if you check their forums there are links to a wide range of
>good quality freeware instruments and other plugins.
>
>REAPER rocks. It's worth giving it a try - if you like it, the price is
>right, the features brilliant and it's certainly all the power and
>flexibility you'd ever need.
>
>http://www.reaper.fm/
>
>- K
>
>
>On 12/14/08 3:13 AM, in article 4944dc56$1@linux, "Shane M"
><shanem@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all. I haven't recorded in years, and am surprised at some recent posts
>> about Paris updates - have to read more about that - but I was wondering
>> what users find as good transition software when moving from Paris?
>>
>> I'm currently messing around with Ableton Live Lite and finding it kindof
>> frustrating at first, and have worked some with Acid - actually like how
>> easily it works with loops. Ableton would seem to be better platform for
>> looping stuff - I'm a guitarist and like layering parts - but I'm not exactly
>> getting the ease of use part of things yet. I actually moved the loops I
>> recorded in Ableton to Acid just to work on the composition which seemed
>> kindof messy in Ableton.
>>
>> But for mixing I can't see doing any serious mixing or recording more than
>> simple takes on these other systems.
>>
>> I am interested in composing some stuff with midi and virtual instruments
>> and Tracktion might be worth considering for that given Garriton personal
>> orchestra. I also have some LE versions of Cubase and SONAR that came with
>> my EMU1212 soundcard but I haven't tried yet. I used to play around with
>> Voyetra Pro for pianoscroll and stepwrite writing midi songs and had fun
>> with that, but gotta think there's a good usable mix of midi and real life
>> audio out there that's not too complicated. I'd love to be able to mix in
>> some cool sounding synths like a B3, and also have drum loop grooves integrate
>> easily.
>>
>> I haven't been able to listen to many of the midi tunes I wrote years ago
>> with any quality because I haven't had a decent general midi soundset to
>> play them back with - it seems like midi has moved past that concept of sound
>> to things and software I don't understand.
>>
>> Anyhow, I appreciate any suggestion folks might have for what other softwares
>> share the same mindspace of design as Paris, but also let me easily integrate
>> with midi sounds and drum loops.
>>
>> thanks in advance for feedback, Shane
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| Re: easiest software to transition to from Paris? [message #101632 is a reply to message #101615] |
Sun, 14 December 2008 22:31 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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If it's about the easiest interface and user GUI, and assuming you're a
windows guy SONAR is the choice I'd make. Be aware though that SONAR doesn't
have the best hardware implimentation, and latency continues to plague them.
If it's about speed/accuracy with hardware, I'd say cubase/nuendo from what
I've seen.
AA
"Shane M" <shanem@nospam.com> wrote in message news:49456039$1@linux...
>
> Tom, I think for mixing bigger stuff I will, and definitely for tracking
> with a band as I don't have enough inputs in other apps and Paris is so
> easy
> for that, but I'm looking to use tools for songwriting and composition
> too,
> and am finding on the fly looping like Ableton Live very cool for working
> out song layers (and just fun).
>
> The interest in midi functionality is because I used to write alot of
> stuff
> with stepwrite (i'm not a good key player) doing soundtrack and
> instrumental
> pieces. just looking for different flavors of stuff without necessarily
> learning entirely new and vastly different workflow.
>
> I'm mainly a rock guy, but I've even have a hip-hop tune in my head for
> several
> years that I want to give a go and I'm clueless as to how to approach all
> the sounds I'm hearing.
>
> thanks for the second on Cubase.
>
>
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>Shane,
>>
>>If time is so important why not stay with Paris if you know it?
>>
>>I like Cubase. It's mixer is similar in function to Paris. Routing
>>is more advanced. Midi is great. There is a learning curve though.
>>The mix bus is clean. It won't allow abuse like Paris.
>>
>>Tom
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Shane M" <shanem@nospam.com> wrote in message news:49454cca$1@linux...
>>>
>>> thanks John, but I don't have 100 hours to learn - I'm trying to
>>> maximize
>>> creativity time. I'm mostly a hobbyist with a more than fulltime day
> job
>>> that takes most of my energy. Free time to devote to music is
>>> considerably
>>> limited. I've got a bit of free time around the holidays with a few
>>> days
>>> off to think about things and direction, but...
>>>
>>> thanks for comment on cubase. Do you find cubase concepts similar to
> the
>>> way Paris works?
>>>
>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I would recommend finding out what others who make the style of music
> you
>>>>like are using and then use that system. This way you are benefiting
> from
>>>>the sweat of others finding out what works.
>>>>
>>>>I'm in cubase and love if for what I'm doing which is very little midi
>
>>>>just
>>>>because i don't like midi. I do pretty much all audio tracks. Once you
>>>>find out what you are going to use plan on committing to reading the
>>>>manuals
>>>>and a steep learning curve but since you are committed, you can spend
> 100
>>>>hours learning the basics and take it with you for many years.
>>>>
>>>>John
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: easiest software to transition to from Paris? [message #101634 is a reply to message #101618] |
Mon, 15 December 2008 00:00 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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I agree with Bill about Logic. Logic on the Mac is at a pretty good
level now. I've found it to have some great PARIS-like aspects with the
way comping, limiting and FX work, for example. But it goes beyond PARIS
in that all your tracks work together in one interface (no 16 track/card
limits), and EVERYTHING is automatable.
The interface and work flow are more direct than before, now that Apple
has had some influence on it for the past few years. So the learning
curve is much less than before. It comes with a full suite of high
quality FX and instruments. Worth checking out.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Bill L wrote:
> I have not found any product to be especially easier or more similar to
> Paris than any other. My advice would be Cubase for PC or Mac or Logic
> for Mac. Both are very rich in features and powerful, plus they come
> with a bunch of synths and effects. I use Cubase 4 and love it.
>
> Shane M wrote:
>> Hi all. I haven't recorded in years, and am surprised at some recent
>> posts
>> about Paris updates - have to read more about that - but I was wondering
>> what users find as good transition software when moving from Paris?
>>
>> I'm currently messing around with Ableton Live Lite and finding it kindof
>> frustrating at first, and have worked some with Acid - actually like how
>> easily it works with loops. Ableton would seem to be better platform for
>> looping stuff - I'm a guitarist and like layering parts - but I'm not
>> exactly
>> getting the ease of use part of things yet. I actually moved the loops I
>> recorded in Ableton to Acid just to work on the composition which seemed
>> kindof messy in Ableton.
>>
>> But for mixing I can't see doing any serious mixing or recording more
>> than
>> simple takes on these other systems.
>>
>> I am interested in composing some stuff with midi and virtual instruments
>> and Tracktion might be worth considering for that given Garriton personal
>> orchestra. I also have some LE versions of Cubase and SONAR that came
>> with
>> my EMU1212 soundcard but I haven't tried yet. I used to play around with
>> Voyetra Pro for pianoscroll and stepwrite writing midi songs and had fun
>> with that, but gotta think there's a good usable mix of midi and real
>> life
>> audio out there that's not too complicated. I'd love to be able to
>> mix in
>> some cool sounding synths like a B3, and also have drum loop grooves
>> integrate
>> easily.
>>
>> I haven't been able to listen to many of the midi tunes I wrote years ago
>> with any quality because I haven't had a decent general midi soundset to
>> play them back with - it seems like midi has moved past that concept
>> of sound
>> to things and software I don't understand.
>>
>> Anyhow, I appreciate any suggestion folks might have for what other
>> softwares
>> share the same mindspace of design as Paris, but also let me easily
>> integrate
>> with midi sounds and drum loops.
>>
>> thanks in advance for feedback, Shane
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| Re: easiest software to transition to from Paris? [message #101635 is a reply to message #101625] |
Mon, 15 December 2008 05:23 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
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From what I remember, I think John wanted to get his head around *all* the
features first, including the more complex stuff.
My normal mode would be to just dive in, but after a few years of doing this
I think I actually prefer Johns approach. Knowing all the tools available
just makes the job easier in the long run.
Chuck
Martin Harrington <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>I've got Reaper on my laptop (MBP), and it is a very intuitive and well
>designed program.
>Easy to get your head around, with no steep learning curve.
>
>BTW, I'm not sure what John is talking about when he says that Cubase has
a
>steep learning curve...it too is very intuitive.
>Getting into the intricacies may take some using, but you can make music
>pretty much straight away...IMHO.
>
>Having said that, I haven't used it for a couple of years, I now use Pro
>Tools and Logic, ( which I really like, and is extremely powerful)
>
>Martin H
>
>
>On 15/12/08 10:57 AM, in article 49458f40$1@linux, "jim drago"
><jimdrago@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I was just goig to suggest REAPER. Haven't had a chance to work with it
yet,
>> but it sure looks promising.
>> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>> If you haven't seen REAPER, you can download it here and try it to see
>> if
>>> it suits your needs. If you like it, the license (honor system) is $50
for
>>> your needs (it's higher for commercial use). There aren't a lot of built-in
>>> instruments but if you check their forums there are links to a wide range
>> of
>>> good quality freeware instruments and other plugins.
>>>
>>> REAPER rocks. It's worth giving it a try - if you like it, the price
is
>>> right, the features brilliant and it's certainly all the power and
>>> flexibility you'd ever need.
>>>
>>> http://www.reaper.fm/
>>>
>>> - K
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/14/08 3:13 AM, in article 4944dc56$1@linux, "Shane M"
>>> <shanem@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all. I haven't recorded in years, and am surprised at some recent
>> posts
>>>> about Paris updates - have to read more about that - but I was wondering
>>>> what users find as good transition software when moving from Paris?
>>>>
>>>> I'm currently messing around with Ableton Live Lite and finding it kindof
>>>> frustrating at first, and have worked some with Acid - actually like
how
>>>> easily it works with loops. Ableton would seem to be better platform
>> for
>>>> looping stuff - I'm a guitarist and like layering parts - but I'm not
>> exactly
>>>> getting the ease of use part of things yet. I actually moved the loops
>> I
>>>> recorded in Ableton to Acid just to work on the composition which seemed
>>>> kindof messy in Ableton.
>>>>
>>>> But for mixing I can't see doing any serious mixing or recording more
>> than
>>>> simple takes on these other systems.
>>>>
>>>> I am interested in composing some stuff with midi and virtual instruments
>>>> and Tracktion might be worth considering for that given Garriton personal
>>>> orchestra. I also have some LE versions of Cubase and SONAR that came
>> with
>>>> my EMU1212 soundcard but I haven't tried yet. I used to play around
with
>>>> Voyetra Pro for pianoscroll and stepwrite writing midi songs and had
fun
>>>> with that, but gotta think there's a good usable mix of midi and real
>> life
>>>> audio out there that's not too complicated. I'd love to be able to
mix
>> in
>>>> some cool sounding synths like a B3, and also have drum loop grooves
>>>> integrate
>>>> easily.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't been able to listen to many of the midi tunes I wrote years
>> ago
>>>> with any quality because I haven't had a decent general midi soundset
>> to
>>>> play them back with - it seems like midi has moved past that concept
of
>> sound
>>>> to things and software I don't understand.
>>>>
>>>> Anyhow, I appreciate any suggestion folks might have for what other
>>>> softwares
>>>> share the same mindspace of design as Paris, but also let me easily
>>>> integrate
>>>> with midi sounds and drum loops.
>>>>
>>>> thanks in advance for feedback, Shane
>>>
>>
>
>Martin H
>Lend An Ear Sound
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| Re: easiest software to transition to from Paris? [message #101638 is a reply to message #101635] |
Mon, 15 December 2008 07:34 |
Ed
Messages: 199
Registered: February 2006
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Why not respond with your typical prickish "yeah me, fuck thee" reponse like
you have done so well before?
http://news.parisnewsgroup.com/cgi-bin/dnewsweb?cmd=article& amp;group=IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS&item=211030&utag=
~ Cantankerous Fuck You Ed
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>From what I remember, I think John wanted to get his head around *all* the
>features first, including the more complex stuff.
>
>My normal mode would be to just dive in, but after a few years of doing
this
>I think I actually prefer Johns approach. Knowing all the tools available
>just makes the job easier in the long run.
>
>Chuck
>
>Martin Harrington <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>I've got Reaper on my laptop (MBP), and it is a very intuitive and well
>>designed program.
>>Easy to get your head around, with no steep learning curve.
>>
>>BTW, I'm not sure what John is talking about when he says that Cubase has
>a
>>steep learning curve...it too is very intuitive.
>>Getting into the intricacies may take some using, but you can make music
>>pretty much straight away...IMHO.
>>
>>Having said that, I haven't used it for a couple of years, I now use Pro
>>Tools and Logic, ( which I really like, and is extremely powerful)
>>
>>Martin H
>>
>>
>>On 15/12/08 10:57 AM, in article 49458f40$1@linux, "jim drago"
>><jimdrago@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I was just goig to suggest REAPER. Haven't had a chance to work with
it
>yet,
>>> but it sure looks promising.
>>> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>> If you haven't seen REAPER, you can download it here and try it to
see
>>> if
>>>> it suits your needs. If you like it, the license (honor system) is $50
>for
>>>> your needs (it's higher for commercial use). There aren't a lot of built-in
>>>> instruments but if you check their forums there are links to a wide
range
>>> of
>>>> good quality freeware instruments and other plugins.
>>>>
>>>> REAPER rocks. It's worth giving it a try - if you like it, the price
>is
>>>> right, the features brilliant and it's certainly all the power and
>>>> flexibility you'd ever need.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.reaper.fm/
>>>>
>>>> - K
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/14/08 3:13 AM, in article 4944dc56$1@linux, "Shane M"
>>>> <shanem@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all. I haven't recorded in years, and am surprised at some recent
>>> posts
>>>>> about Paris updates - have to read more about that - but I was wondering
>>>>> what users find as good transition software when moving from Paris?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm currently messing around with Ableton Live Lite and finding it
kindof
>>>>> frustrating at first, and have worked some with Acid - actually like
>how
>>>>> easily it works with loops. Ableton would seem to be better platform
>>> for
>>>>> looping stuff - I'm a guitarist and like layering parts - but I'm not
>>> exactly
>>>>> getting the ease of use part of things yet. I actually moved the loops
>>> I
>>>>> recorded in Ableton to Acid just to work on the composition which seemed
>>>>> kindof messy in Ableton.
>>>>>
>>>>> But for mixing I can't see doing any serious mixing or recording more
>>> than
>>>>> simple takes on these other systems.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am interested in composing some stuff with midi and virtual instruments
>>>>> and Tracktion might be worth considering for that given Garriton personal
>>>>> orchestra. I also have some LE versions of Cubase and SONAR that came
>>> with
>>>>> my EMU1212 soundcard but I haven't tried yet. I used to play around
>with
>>>>> Voyetra Pro for pianoscroll and stepwrite writing midi songs and had
>fun
>>>>> with that, but gotta think there's a good usable mix of midi and real
>>> life
>>>>> audio out there that's not too complicated. I'd love to be able to
>mix
>>> in
>>>>> some cool sounding synths like a B3, and also have drum loop grooves
>>>>> integrate
>>>>> easily.
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't been able to listen to many of the midi tunes I wrote years
>>> ago
>>>>> with any quality because I haven't had a decent general midi soundset
>>> to
>>>>> play them back with - it seems like midi has moved past that concept
>of
>>> sound
>>>>> to things and software I don't understand.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyhow, I appreciate any suggestion folks might have for what other
>>>>> softwares
>>>>> share the same mindspace of design as Paris, but also let me easily
>>>>> integrate
>>>>> with midi sounds and drum loops.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks in advance for feedback, Shane
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>Martin H
>>Lend An Ear Sound
>>
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| Re: easiest software to transition to from Paris? [message #101644 is a reply to message #101626] |
Mon, 15 December 2008 16:17 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Senior Member |
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Hey Paul, what do you think of the sound and functionality of the Tascam DM-4800?
James
Paul Artola <artola@comcast.net> wrote:
>I'll add a two thumbs up for Reaper here. My Paris DAW sits idle in
>the corner, while my primary recording setup is a homebuilt
>Reaper/UAD-1 computer with a Tascam DM4800 into a MOTU 2408mk3 front
>end. Mostly, I use the Tascam as a control surface for Reaper, since I
>don't track too much these days. A lot of my tunes recently are
>assembled in Acid, then exported as individual tracks for mixdown in
>the Reaper DAW using the Tascam to write automation.
>
>Paris will still have a place here, I think, since I have it in a
>semi-portable rack, so I could use it to track in other rooms, then
>mix in Paris or move tracks into Reaper.
>
>A couple of cool things to point out about Reaper. It supports skins
>and the user community has come up with dozens of them. This is really
>useful for making it user-friendly to me, since no other DAW software
>caressed my eyes like Paris. Wish someone with talent would come up
>with a Paris skin.
>
>Second, while Reaper doesn't come with too many instrument plugins, it
>does have a sick collection of effect plugs, and I have found ReaFIR
>to be a powerful, surgical eq tool.
>
>Finally, there is a growing, fanatical user base, who have produced
>lots of documentation, howtos and even videos. New versions come out
>about once per month, and the developer is actively involved with the
>online forum.
>
>If you want more testimonials, talk to Chris Ludwig.
>
>- Paul Artola
> Ellicott City, Maryland
>
>On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:43:15 -0800, Kerry Galloway
><kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>
>>If you haven't seen REAPER, you can download it here and try it to see
if
>>it suits your needs. If you like it, the license (honor system) is $50
for
>>your needs (it's higher for commercial use). There aren't a lot of built-in
>>instruments but if you check their forums there are links to a wide range
of
>>good quality freeware instruments and other plugins.
>>
>>REAPER rocks. It's worth giving it a try - if you like it, the price is
>>right, the features brilliant and it's certainly all the power and
>>flexibility you'd ever need.
>>
>>http://www.reaper.fm/
>>
>>- K
>>
>>
>>On 12/14/08 3:13 AM, in article 4944dc56$1@linux, "Shane M"
>><shanem@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all. I haven't recorded in years, and am surprised at some recent
posts
>>> about Paris updates - have to read more about that - but I was wondering
>>> what users find as good transition software when moving from Paris?
>>>
>>> I'm currently messing around with Ableton Live Lite and finding it kindof
>>> frustrating at first, and have worked some with Acid - actually like
how
>>> easily it works with loops. Ableton would seem to be better platform
for
>>> looping stuff - I'm a guitarist and like layering parts - but I'm not
exactly
>>> getting the ease of use part of things yet. I actually moved the loops
I
>>> recorded in Ableton to Acid just to work on the composition which seemed
>>> kindof messy in Ableton.
>>>
>>> But for mixing I can't see doing any serious mixing or recording more
than
>>> simple takes on these other systems.
>>>
>>> I am interested in composing some stuff with midi and virtual instruments
>>> and Tracktion might be worth considering for that given Garriton personal
>>> orchestra. I also have some LE versions of Cubase and SONAR that came
with
>>> my EMU1212 soundcard but I haven't tried yet. I used to play around
with
>>> Voyetra Pro for pianoscroll and stepwrite writing midi songs and had
fun
>>> with that, but gotta think there's a good usable mix of midi and real
life
>>> audio out there that's not too complicated. I'd love to be able to mix
in
>>> some cool sounding synths like a B3, and also have drum loop grooves
integrate
>>> easily.
>>>
>>> I haven't been able to listen to many of the midi tunes I wrote years
ago
>>> with any quality because I haven't had a decent general midi soundset
to
>>> play them back with - it seems like midi has moved past that concept
of sound
>>> to things and software I don't understand.
>>>
>>> Anyhow, I appreciate any suggestion folks might have for what other softwares
>>> share the same mindspace of design as Paris, but also let me easily integrate
>>> with midi sounds and drum loops.
>>>
>>> thanks in advance for feedback, Shane
>
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| Re: easiest software to transition to from Paris? [message #101648 is a reply to message #101638] |
Mon, 15 December 2008 18:00 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
Registered: July 2005
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Senior Member |
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Because you make me want to be a better man?
"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>
>Why not respond with your typical prickish "yeah me, fuck thee" reponse
like
>you have done so well before?
>
> http://news.parisnewsgroup.com/cgi-bin/dnewsweb?cmd=article& amp;group=IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS&item=211030&utag=
>
>~ Cantankerous Fuck You Ed
>
>
>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>
>>From what I remember, I think John wanted to get his head around *all*
the
>>features first, including the more complex stuff.
>>
>>My normal mode would be to just dive in, but after a few years of doing
>this
>>I think I actually prefer Johns approach. Knowing all the tools available
>>just makes the job easier in the long run.
>>
>>Chuck
>>
>>Martin Harrington <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>I've got Reaper on my laptop (MBP), and it is a very intuitive and well
>>>designed program.
>>>Easy to get your head around, with no steep learning curve.
>>>
>>>BTW, I'm not sure what John is talking about when he says that Cubase
has
>>a
>>>steep learning curve...it too is very intuitive.
>>>Getting into the intricacies may take some using, but you can make music
>>>pretty much straight away...IMHO.
>>>
>>>Having said that, I haven't used it for a couple of years, I now use Pro
>>>Tools and Logic, ( which I really like, and is extremely powerful)
>>>
>>>Martin H
>>>
>>>
>>>On 15/12/08 10:57 AM, in article 49458f40$1@linux, "jim drago"
>>><jimdrago@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I was just goig to suggest REAPER. Haven't had a chance to work with
>it
>>yet,
>>>> but it sure looks promising.
>>>> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>> If you haven't seen REAPER, you can download it here and try it to
>see
>>>> if
>>>>> it suits your needs. If you like it, the license (honor system) is
$50
>>for
>>>>> your needs (it's higher for commercial use). There aren't a lot of
built-in
>>>>> instruments but if you check their forums there are links to a wide
>range
>>>> of
>>>>> good quality freeware instruments and other plugins.
>>>>>
>>>>> REAPER rocks. It's worth giving it a try - if you like it, the price
>>is
>>>>> right, the features brilliant and it's certainly all the power and
>>>>> flexibility you'd ever need.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.reaper.fm/
>>>>>
>>>>> - K
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/14/08 3:13 AM, in article 4944dc56$1@linux, "Shane M"
>>>>> <shanem@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all. I haven't recorded in years, and am surprised at some recent
>>>> posts
>>>>>> about Paris updates - have to read more about that - but I was wondering
>>>>>> what users find as good transition software when moving from Paris?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm currently messing around with Ableton Live Lite and finding it
>kindof
>>>>>> frustrating at first, and have worked some with Acid - actually like
>>how
>>>>>> easily it works with loops. Ableton would seem to be better platform
>>>> for
>>>>>> looping stuff - I'm a guitarist and like layering parts - but I'm
not
>>>> exactly
>>>>>> getting the ease of use part of things yet. I actually moved the
loops
>>>> I
>>>>>> recorded in Ableton to Acid just to work on the composition which
seemed
>>>>>> kindof messy in Ableton.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But for mixing I can't see doing any serious mixing or recording more
>>>> than
>>>>>> simple takes on these other systems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am interested in composing some stuff with midi and virtual instruments
>>>>>> and Tracktion might be worth considering for that given Garriton personal
>>>>>> orchestra. I also have some LE versions of Cubase and SONAR that
came
>>>> with
>>>>>> my EMU1212 soundcard but I haven't tried yet. I used to play around
>>with
>>>>>> Voyetra Pro for pianoscroll and stepwrite writing midi songs and had
>>fun
>>>>>> with that, but gotta think there's a good usable mix of midi and real
>>>> life
>>>>>> audio out there that's not too complicated. I'd love to be able to
>>mix
>>>> in
>>>>>> some cool sounding synths like a B3, and also have drum loop grooves
>>>>>> integrate
>>>>>> easily.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I haven't been able to listen to many of the midi tunes I wrote years
>>>> ago
>>>>>> with any quality because I haven't had a decent general midi soundset
>>>> to
>>>>>> play them back with - it seems like midi has moved past that concept
>>of
>>>> sound
>>>>>> to things and software I don't understand.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyhow, I appreciate any suggestion folks might have for what other
>>>>>> softwares
>>>>>> share the same mindspace of design as Paris, but also let me easily
>>>>>> integrate
>>>>>> with midi sounds and drum loops.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks in advance for feedback, Shane
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Martin H
>>>Lend An Ear Sound
>>>
>>
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| Re: easiest software to transition to from Paris? [message #101650 is a reply to message #101644] |
Mon, 15 December 2008 21:02 |
Paul Artola
Messages: 161
Registered: November 2005
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Senior Member |
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I am very happy with the DM4800, though I really don't use it as an
audio mixer as much as I use it as a control surface. It offers a good
deal of flexibility and has lots of i/o possibilities, especially
since I added on 2 adat cards.
I think the sound is fine, no issues to my ears. Like any complex
device, I think I would be more capable with it if I used all its
functionality more, so I am always running to the manual to remember
how to wire things up. It would be nice to have a simpler way to
create routings, and a touchscreen would be ideal, but for the money,
I am happy with the unit.
Just ordered a new Argosy desk to house the mixer and my rack gear, so
I will be spending a fair bit of time re-wiring my studio next month.
- Paul
On 16 Dec 2008 10:17:38 +1000, "James McCloskey"
<excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Hey Paul, what do you think of the sound and functionality of the Tascam DM-4800?
>
>James
>
>Paul Artola <artola@comcast.net> wrote:
>>I'll add a two thumbs up for Reaper here. My Paris DAW sits idle in
>>the corner, while my primary recording setup is a homebuilt
>>Reaper/UAD-1 computer with a Tascam DM4800 into a MOTU 2408mk3 front
>>end. Mostly, I use the Tascam as a control surface for Reaper, since I
>>don't track too much these days. A lot of my tunes recently are
>>assembled in Acid, then exported as individual tracks for mixdown in
>>the Reaper DAW using the Tascam to write automation.
>>
>>Paris will still have a place here, I think, since I have it in a
>>semi-portable rack, so I could use it to track in other rooms, then
>>mix in Paris or move tracks into Reaper.
>>
>>A couple of cool things to point out about Reaper. It supports skins
>>and the user community has come up with dozens of them. This is really
>>useful for making it user-friendly to me, since no other DAW software
>>caressed my eyes like Paris. Wish someone with talent would come up
>>with a Paris skin.
>>
>>Second, while Reaper doesn't come with too many instrument plugins, it
>>does have a sick collection of effect plugs, and I have found ReaFIR
>>to be a powerful, surgical eq tool.
>>
>>Finally, there is a growing, fanatical user base, who have produced
>>lots of documentation, howtos and even videos. New versions come out
>>about once per month, and the developer is actively involved with the
>>online forum.
>>
>>If you want more testimonials, talk to Chris Ludwig.
>>
>>- Paul Artola
>> Ellicott City, Maryland
>>
>>On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:43:15 -0800, Kerry Galloway
>><kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>
>>>If you haven't seen REAPER, you can download it here and try it to see
>if
>>>it suits your needs. If you like it, the license (honor system) is $50
>for
>>>your needs (it's higher for commercial use). There aren't a lot of built-in
>>>instruments but if you check their forums there are links to a wide range
>of
>>>good quality freeware instruments and other plugins.
>>>
>>>REAPER rocks. It's worth giving it a try - if you like it, the price is
>>>right, the features brilliant and it's certainly all the power and
>>>flexibility you'd ever need.
>>>
>>>http://www.reaper.fm/
>>>
>>>- K
>>>
>>>
>>>On 12/14/08 3:13 AM, in article 4944dc56$1@linux, "Shane M"
>>><shanem@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all. I haven't recorded in years, and am surprised at some recent
>posts
>>>> about Paris updates - have to read more about that - but I was wondering
>>>> what users find as good transition software when moving from Paris?
>>>>
>>>> I'm currently messing around with Ableton Live Lite and finding it kindof
>>>> frustrating at first, and have worked some with Acid - actually like
>how
>>>> easily it works with loops. Ableton would seem to be better platform
>for
>>>> looping stuff - I'm a guitarist and like layering parts - but I'm not
>exactly
>>>> getting the ease of use part of things yet. I actually moved the loops
>I
>>>> recorded in Ableton to Acid just to work on the composition which seemed
>>>> kindof messy in Ableton.
>>>>
>>>> But for mixing I can't see doing any serious mixing or recording more
>than
>>>> simple takes on these other systems.
>>>>
>>>> I am interested in composing some stuff with midi and virtual instruments
>>>> and Tracktion might be worth considering for that given Garriton personal
>>>> orchestra. I also have some LE versions of Cubase and SONAR that came
>with
>>>> my EMU1212 soundcard but I haven't tried yet. I used to play around
>with
>>>> Voyetra Pro for pianoscroll and stepwrite writing midi songs and had
>fun
>>>> with that, but gotta think there's a good usable mix of midi and real
>life
>>>> audio out there that's not too complicated. I'd love to be able to mix
>in
>>>> some cool sounding synths like a B3, and also have drum loop grooves
>integrate
>>>> easily.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't been able to listen to many of the midi tunes I wrote years
>ago
>>>> with any quality because I haven't had a decent general midi soundset
>to
>>>> play them back with - it seems like midi has moved past that concept
>of sound
>>>> to things and software I don't understand.
>>>>
>>>> Anyhow, I appreciate any suggestion folks might have for what other softwares
>>>> share the same mindspace of design as Paris, but also let me easily integrate
>>>> with midi sounds and drum loops.
>>>>
>>>> thanks in advance for feedback, Shane
>>
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