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| Re: NForce3 chipsets?... [message #55240 is a reply to message #55236] |
Sun, 03 July 2005 17:11   |
Kim
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DSP/FX
>and PSP plugins. These are plugins I used for years before I built my SXDAW
>and started using lots of UAD-1 cards, and though the mixes sound a little
>bit different, they both sound *really* good.
>
>I think it's one of those things where the SX is turning into more like
>something I have available if I need it, and I'm just not really going to
>need it much.
>
>We've already discussed this stuff to death, but we really do have something
>special here guys. Having a really well loaded native DAW to compare to
>Paris just makes me appreciate Paris all the more.
>
>Go figure.
>
>Jeremy,
This is how I am working.
Cubase SX with 2 x RME HDSP 9652's.
The outputs of the 9652 are routed to the inputs of 6 x ADAT modules in 3 x
MECs.
The Cubase SX mix template has 46 mono tracks and two stereo pair.
Stereo SPDIF of the HDSP 9652's are routed to a Quantec Yardstick and
Lexicon PCM 90 as outboard processors.
The Cubase SX mix template has 44 mono tracks and two stereo tracks. One of
the stereo tracks is for bussing a drum submix to tracks 15 & 16 of Paris
submix #1. The other stereo track busses all reverbs, etc (Cubase send FX)
to aux #8 of Paris Submix #3.
Each of the outputs in SX has a very flexible and transparent dither plugin
on the last insert slot of the channel.
My Paris DAW and SX DAW are networked. Once I'm finished tracking, I render
the files across the network to a 250G drive on the SX DAW, open Wavelab and
batch process the .paf's to .wav files.
I open my Cubase mix template and import these files to their respective
tracks so that the SX Vocal channel,
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| Re: NForce3 chipsets?... [message #55242 is a reply to message #55240] |
Sun, 03 July 2005 20:05 |
RZ
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Mix mode.
After my earlier post, I did a little experiment and recorded some tracks
across from Cubase SX to Paris with the dither plugin and then A/B'ed them
with the original .paf that had been batch processed to a .wav and then
recorded across back into Paris. I had my level in Paris set at unity
during the pass so the resulting recorded file was about 2dB lower in
amplitude than the original file which was recorded direct to Paris. They
were also not phase coherent, probably due to the dither algo.
Once I got the levels matched, I did a very painstaking A/B of these using
my ears. One of my clients was here and I got him involved as the
blindfoldee. Neither one of us could tell any difference between the files
so I'm satisfied that this transferrence between DAWs is not causing a sonic
hit.
Mixing in Paris is about as good as I could hope to get. Adding SX to the
equation is a two edged sword. It's expensive and complicated, but you have
a zero latency DAW with pretty monstrous automation capabilities and the
entire Paris gain structure/summing architecture available.
If you want to achieve the ultimate in gnarly, take a track in SX, open up a
UAD-1 compressor on it and honk on it a bit, then send it over the lightpipe
feed to a Paris channel with the Paris meters set post fader. This controls
the *level of phat* that is being generated by the 32bit mix engine in SX
and sent to Paris and then the Paris gain structure is still available.
It's about as good as it gets for tricking 1's and 0's into thinking they
are magnetic particles on plastic tape being carried through electric
circuits that are behaving in a non-linear way............but no matter how
hard I try, I just can't get this to sound like Pro Tools.
;o)
"Jeremy Luzier" <j.luzier@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:42c8a93d@linux...
> Deej,
>
> for clarification...
>
> you are mixing in PARIS while using SX for UAD-1 plugins and other VST
> effects correct?
>
> and/or you have the two boxes synced so you can actually play tracks in SX
> and PARIS at the same time... while processing SX track with UAD-1 and
> stuff?
>
> There is no question PARIS is unique. Its quite perplexing why NO ONE
else
> has been able to even come close. Granted, logic, DP and the Nuendo
engine
> are all very good and are sonically acceptable and CAN sound great
depending
> on the
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| Re: NForce3 chipsets?... [message #55250 is a reply to message #55240] |
Sun, 03 July 2005 23:02 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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ot;color" the tracks, for me
they are some of the best and is using a similar method as UA to simulate
great old analog gear the digital way. UAD-1 sounds a little bit different,
as you're saying, and if it is to a better sound, my ears can't tell me this
at all, just different, as you too are saying.
So I think I will take out the UAD-1 card from the Paris computer and use it
in the Cubase SX2-3 system that I havn't learned a shit of yet after nearly
a couple of years owning. As you're saying here too, I'm not really going to
need SX much either for audio, so why shall I learn a "new" system that I'm
not using? The only thing I'm using with SX is playing VSTi synths and drums
with it into Paris. So much have I learned, but yet, it's just the analog
way;-)
erlilo
"Mr Simplicity" <animix_spamless_@animas.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:42c86353@linux...
> ......just go back to using Paris and ditching the rest of this
> monstrousity..........well, I doubt I'll really do that, but I'm wondering
> more and more if I really need it.
>
> It's really cool to be able to run all the UAD-1 plugins and other cool
> toys
> in SX and then use them wioth Paris, but in all honesty, I've been
> comparing
> some rough mixes, using SX and all those nice DSP cards to ITB Paris mixes
> using the native plugins I've got here whioch are cheap and very good
> (BlockFish, Spitfish, etc, Dave Brown, Waves NPPII, PowerTechnology DSP/FX
> and PSP plugins. These are plugins I used for years before I built my
> SXDAW
> and started using lots of UAD-1 cards, and though the mixes sound a little
> bit different, they both sound *really* good.
>
> I think it's one of those things where the SX is turning into more like
> something I have available if I need it, and I'm just not really going to
> need it much.
>
> We've already discussed this stuff to death, but we really do have
> something
> special here guys. Having a really well loaded native DAW to compare to
> Paris just makes me appreciate Paris all the more.
>
> Go figure.
>
>Hey, I just saw that same desk he's got at Staples.. I was going to buy it,
but I picked up this one on sale instead at Staples for $130 (CDN):
http://store1.yimg.com/I/meritline_1849_145624040
The area under the monitor fits rack gear perfectly, you can
fit a full length 2 space item on each side, and 2 1/2 space rack
items stacked in the center.. I've got the rest of my rack gear and a Mec
underneath, along with 2 computer towers.. damn I feel organized now..
Cheers,
TC
justcro
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| Re: NForce3 chipsets?... [message #55251 is a reply to message #55250] |
Mon, 04 July 2005 00:13 |
Kim
Messages: 1246
Registered: October 2005
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n wrote:
> http://www.detnews.com/2005/metro/0507/03/D04-235568.htm
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>Kim. I'm about to start building a cubase rig for a friend using the K8NS
Ultra 939. I was thinking about trying to load Paris in it to see if it would
work. After reading this thread, it sounds like it will either work, or not
even boot, but nothing will be damaged. Does this sound correct? I really
don't want to do this if there is even a chance of damaging the system.
Rod
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>HI Kim,
>>EDS cards will work fine with these slots.
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>According to this:
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> http://www.lavalink.com/fileadmin/newsletters/link_12_02.pdf
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>"PCI revision 2.3 removes 5-volt-only cards from the specification, but
retains
>the 5-volt-only motherboard connector. "
>
>What the point is of retaining the 5V connector but removing 5V cards from
>the spec, I have no idea, and has been a source of constant confusion.
>
>That said, I've just learned that PCI 2.1, released in '95, actually included
>the 3.3 volt spec, hence EDS cards COULD be 3.3 volt, but I have this post
>by Doug W:
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| Re: NForce3 chipsets?... [message #55252 is a reply to message #55250] |
Mon, 04 July 2005 00:26 |
Kim
Messages: 1246
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> http://news.parisnewsgroup.com/cgi-bin/dnewsweb?cmd=article& amp;group=IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS&item=164269&utag=
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>...which says "you need the 5v slot". Mind you it also talks of the newer
>specs which wont work "Neither electrically nor physically..." and I'm 98%
>sure that an EDS card WILL fit in a PCI 2.3 slot.
>
>Gee, much as it would mean I've been on a wild goose chase, I would LOVE
>to hear that I can use a PCI 2.3 motherboard. :o)
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.Everyone knows about the Ball mic, and probably lots of people
know about the condensor 8-Ball by now, but for anyone who's
not been keeping up, they now have a "Kickball", specially
designed for kick drums (and yes, it comes in the familiar
subdued red color so well-known to us from when we were kids);
and now they have a new one coming our called the "Snowball" -
from what I understand, this is a dual-element mic, which has
switchable settings... one more tailored to vocals, and one
more tailored to instruments... AND, it comes with a USB
interface! Based on the switchability & USB deal, it appears to
be targeted specifically at low-budget home recordists.
Just thought I'd share... I just happen to think these guys are
pretty innovative.
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| Re: NForce3 chipsets?... [message #55258 is a reply to message #55252] |
Mon, 04 July 2005 07:52 |
Rod Lincoln
Messages: 883
Registered: September 2005
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e them wioth Paris, but in all honesty, I've been comparing
>some rough mixes, using SX and all those nice DSP cards to ITB Paris mixes
>using the native plugins I've got here whioch are cheap and very good
>(BlockFish, Spitfish, etc, Dave Brown, Waves NPPII, PowerTechnology DSP/FX
>and PSP plugins. These are plugins I used for years before I built my SXDAW
>and started using lots of UAD-1 cards, and though the mixes sound a little
>bit different, they both sound *really* good.
>
>I think it's one of those things where the SX is turning into more like
>something I have available if I need it, and I'm just not really going to
>need it much.
>
>We've already discussed this stuff to death, but we really do have something
>special here guys. Having a really well loaded native DAW to compare to
>Paris just makes me appreciate Paris all the more.
>
>Go figure.
>
>"Mr Simplicity" <animix_spamless_@animas.net> wrote:
>Neil,
>
>I didn't see any reference to the *snowball* (but I haven't had my coffee
>yet). Just a thought about this........USB? So there is an A/D converter
in
>the mic housing that is sending data via USB?
It's just listed near the top of the page on the BLUE site -
they don't have any product info yet... here's a write up,
though:
http://remixmag.com/transmissions/blue-snowball-041405/Wow. That was some funny shit. With chops like that, you could easily write
irreverant ad copy or get a job writing jokes for a sit-com or comedian.
That's all it takes, besides connections and pavement-pounding, I guess.
Jimmy
"Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:42c95932$1@linux...
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>
> Everyone knows about the Ba
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| Re: NForce3 chipsets?... [message #55261 is a reply to message #55258] |
Mon, 04 July 2005 09:40 |
Deej [3]
Messages: 181
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m/fileadmin/newsletters/link_12_02.pdf" target="_blank"> http://www.lavalink.com/fileadmin/newsletters/link_12_02.pdf
>>
>>"PCI revision 2.3 removes 5-volt-only cards from the specification, but
>retains
>>the 5-volt-only motherboard connector. "
>>
>>What the point is of retaining the 5V connector but removing 5V cards from
>>the spec, I have no idea, and has been a source of constant confusion.
>>
>>That said, I've just learned that PCI 2.1, released in '95, actually included
>>the 3.3 volt spec, hence EDS cards COULD be 3.3 volt, but I have this post
>>by Doug W:
>>
>> http://news.parisnewsgroup.com/cgi-bin/dnewsweb?cmd=article& amp;group=IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS&item=164269&utag=
>>
>>...which says "you need the 5v slot". Mind you it also talks of the newer
>>specs which wont work "Neither electrically nor physically..." and I'm
98%
>>sure that an EDS card WILL fit in a PCI 2.3 slot.
>>
>>Gee, much as it would mean I've been on a wild goose chase, I would LOVE
>>to hear that I can use a PCI 2.3 motherboard. :o)
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>Yeah, withen the next couple of weeks. I have everything except the case,
which has been crunched 2 times (2 different cases) by UPS so far. sheesh
Rod
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>Well, I can't make an absolute guarantee, but I've been doing a lot of reading
>on PCI standards, and nothing I've read or been told indicates that an EDS
>card would be damaged by placing them in the PCI 2.3 slots. I'm pretty sure
>they would just work or not.
>
>Were you thinking of doing this pretty soon? This sounds like it might be
>a chance for us to get a test on this board without anybody having to actually
>dive in, so to speak.
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
>
>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>Kim. I'm about to start building a cubase rig for a friend using the K8NS
>>Ultra 939. I was thinking about trying to load Paris in it to see if it
>would
>>work. After reading this thread, it
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| Re: NForce3 chipsets?... [message #55266 is a reply to message #55258] |
Mon, 04 July 2005 15:07 |
Kim
Messages: 1246
Registered: October 2005
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gt; Cubase SX with 2 x RME HDSP 9652's.
>
> The outputs of the 9652 are routed to the inputs of 6 x ADAT modules in 3
x
> MECs.
>
> The Cubase SX mix template has 46 mono tracks and two stereo pair.
>
> Stereo SPDIF of the HDSP 9652's are routed to a Quantec Yardstick and
> Lexicon PCM 90 as outboard processors.
>
> The Cubase SX mix template has 44 mono tracks and two stereo tracks. One
of
> the stereo tracks is for bussing a drum submix to tracks 15 & 16 of Paris
> submix #1. The other stereo track busses all reverbs, etc (Cubase send FX)
> to aux #8 of Paris Submix #3.
>
> Each of the outputs in SX has a very flexible and transparent dither
plugin
> on the last insert slot of the channel.
>
> My Paris DAW and SX DAW are networked. Once I'm finished tracking, I
render
> the files across the network to a 250G drive on the SX DAW, open Wavelab
and
> batch process the .paf's to .wav files.
>
> I open my Cubase mix template and import these files to their respective
> tracks so that the SX Vocal channel, etc. is being played back through the
> respective Paris vocal channel in a Paris mix template which has no tracks
> and is set to Live Mix mode.
>
> I then duplicate whatever drum tracks I want to squash and set them to
> output through the stereo drum bus. the rest of the tracks are being
played
> back straight across the lightpipe connection to Paris.
>
> I have a 9 pin serial cable running from one of my ADAT modules to the
ADAT
> sync input of my master HDSP card and have this card set to sync to ADAt
> timecode.
>
> I record enable the Paris tracks and then the Paris transport controls the
> start/stop of SX.
>
> All panning must be dopne in Paris because mono channels in Sx cannot pan
> unless they are bussed to a stereo bus.
>
> All fader moves are done in SX because the live reverb scenario between SX
> and Paris creates a prefader send scenario if levels are controlled in
> Paris. Thus, if you lower level of a track that has a reverb processor in
SX
> the track level goes down, but the reverb level doesn't. The only way
around
> this if you want to use Paris for fader levels is to apply reverb as a
> plugin on the SX tracks, so I'm doing my fader automation in SX and
> plugin/EQ automation as well.
>
> Also, when mixing this way, in order to automate pans in Paris, Paris must
> be the master and have a moving timeline or there is no way to automate
pans
> in Paris so in this scenario, the DAWs must be timeline locked with Paris
as
> the master becaus s I said before, cubase can only pan if the channel is
> sent t
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| Re: NForce3 chipsets?... [message #55267 is a reply to message #55266] |
Mon, 04 July 2005 15:22 |
Rod Lincoln
Messages: 883
Registered: September 2005
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o a stereo bus and all tracks are being bussed mono out of Cubase.
>
> I can also still use external and EDS inserts and aux FX in in Paris in
Live
> Mix mode.
>
> After my earlier post, I did a little experiment and recorded some tracks
> across from Cubase SX to Paris with the dither plugin and then A/B'ed them
> with the original .paf that had been batch processed to a .wav and then
> recorded across back into Paris. I had my level in Paris set at unity
> during the pass so the resulting recorded file was about 2dB lower in
> amplitude than the original file which was recorded direct to Paris. They
> were also not phase coherent, probably due to the dither algo.
>
> Once I got the levels matched, I did a very painstaking A/B of these using
> my ears. One of my clients was here and I got him involved as the
> blindfoldee. Neither one of us could tell any difference between the files
> so I'm satisfied that this transferrence between DAWs is not causing a
sonic
> hit.
>
> Mixing in Paris is about as good as I could hope to get. Adding SX to the
> equation is a two edged sword. It's expensive and complicated, but you
have
> a zero latency DAW with pretty monstrous automation capabilities and the
> entire Paris gain structure/summing architecture available.
>
> If you want to achieve the ultimate in gnarly, take a track in SX, open up
a
> UAD-1 compressor on it and honk on it a bit, then send it over the
lightpipe
> feed to a Paris channel with the Paris meters set post fader. This
controls
> the *level of phat* that is being generated by the 32bit mix engine in SX
> and sent to Paris and then the Paris gain structure is still available.
> It's about as good as it gets for tricking 1's and 0's into thinking they
> are magnetic particles on plastic tape being carried through electric
> circuits that are behaving in a non-linear way............but no matter
how
> hard I try, I just can't get this to sound like Pro Tools.
>
> ;o)
>
>
> "Jeremy Luzier" <j.luzier@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:42c8a93d@linux...
> > Deej,
> >
> > for clarification...
> >
> > you are mixing in PARIS while using SX for UAD-1 plugins and other VST
> > effects correct?
> >
> > and/or you have the two boxes synced so you can actually play tracks in
SX
> > and PARIS at the same time... while processing SX track with UAD-1 and
> > stuff?
> >
> > There is no question PARIS is unique. Its quite perplexing why NO ONE
> else
> > has been able to even come close. Granted, logic, DP and the Nuendo
> engine
> > are all very good and are sonically acceptable and CAN sound great
> depending
> > on the material and who is twisting the knobs. But NONE have the PARIS
> > intangibles.
> >
> > I have wanted to try this and i am wondering if anyone using another DAW
> > with PARIS has compared these 2 scenarios using the same final mix....
> >
> > Scenario
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| Re: NForce3 chipsets?... [message #55269 is a reply to message #55268] |
Mon, 04 July 2005 16:50 |
Kim
Messages: 1246
Registered: October 2005
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itar buss, drums buss, loops buss, keys buss, fx
> buss.
> > etc. THEN play those files in PARIS and bounce to disk.
> >
> > A/B to first scenario.
> >
> > Anyone done that?
> >
> > Jeremy
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mr Simplicity" <animix_spamless_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > news:42c86353@linux...
> > > ......just go back to using Paris and ditching the rest of this
> > > monstrousity..........well, I doubt I'll really do that, but I'm
> wondering
> > > more and more if I really need it.
> > >
> > > It's really cool to be able to run all the UAD-1 plugins and other
cool
> > toys
> > > in SX and then use them wioth Paris, but in all honesty, I've been
> > comparing
> > > some rough mixes, using SX and all those nice DSP cards to ITB Paris
> mixes
> &g
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