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What I love about mixing in tandem with Cubase and Paris [message #65175] Sun, 05 March 2006 18:54 Go to next message
Deej [1] is currently offline  Deej [1]   UNITED STATES
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........sooooo........your mix is slammin' Cubase and it's completely out of
headroom. The Paris submix clip lights are lit up like a Christ mas tree
when the singer pipes up and says....."man, that sounds great, but I need
more level on the vocal". The engineer (being me) just grins and pushes up
the fader on the Paris track. It doesn't clip.....it should, but it doesn't.

;oD
Re: What I love about mixing in tandem with Cubase and Paris [message #65184 is a reply to message #65175] Mon, 06 March 2006 01:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
rick is currently offline  rick   UNITED STATES
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"it should, but it doesn't." so...this is a happy post right???
;o)

On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:54:48 -0700, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:

>.......sooooo........your mix is slammin' Cubase and it's completely out of
>headroom. The Paris submix clip lights are lit up like a Christ mas tree
>when the singer pipes up and says....."man, that sounds great, but I need
>more level on the vocal". The engineer (being me) just grins and pushes up
>the fader on the Paris track. It doesn't clip.....it should, but it doesn't.
>
>;oD
>
>
Re: What I love about mixing in tandem with Cubase and Paris [message #65187 is a reply to message #65175] Mon, 06 March 2006 04:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Russ is currently offline  Russ   AUSTRALIA
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subtle, only we know what ur on about.....

"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:440ba582$1@linux...
> .......sooooo........your mix is slammin' Cubase and it's completely out
> of
> headroom. The Paris submix clip lights are lit up like a Christ mas tree
> when the singer pipes up and says....."man, that sounds great, but I need
> more level on the vocal". The engineer (being me) just grins and pushes up
> the fader on the Paris track. It doesn't clip.....it should, but it
> doesn't.
>
> ;oD
>
>
>
Re: What I love about mixing in tandem with Cubase and Paris [message #65190 is a reply to message #65184] Mon, 06 March 2006 07:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [1] is currently offline  Deej [1]   UNITED STATES
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Well..........yeah, except for the clients who like bursts of noise in their
mixes. Clipping the kick and snare can really get a nice grungy rythmic vibe
going, and if properly focused through a tube out the window, and skyward, I
can actually disturb the electronics in passing aircraft.

;o)

"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kp1o02prbbdof2g9u8b2pag4326jtaesrb@4ax.com...
> "it should, but it doesn't." so...this is a happy post right???
> ;o)
>
> On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:54:48 -0700, "DJ"
> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
> >.......sooooo........your mix is slammin' Cubase and it's completely out
of
> >headroom. The Paris submix clip lights are lit up like a Christ mas tree
> >when the singer pipes up and says....."man, that sounds great, but I need
> >more level on the vocal". The engineer (being me) just grins and pushes
up
> >the fader on the Paris track. It doesn't clip.....it should, but it
doesn't.
> >
> >;oD
> >
> >
>
Re: What I love about mixing in tandem with Cubase and Paris [message #65216 is a reply to message #65175] Mon, 06 March 2006 23:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jesse Skeens is currently offline  Jesse Skeens
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"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>.......sooooo........your mix is slammin' Cubase and it's completely out
of
>headroom. The Paris submix clip lights are lit up like a Christ mas tree
>when the singer pipes up and says....."man, that sounds great, but I need
>more level on the vocal". The engineer (being me) just grins and pushes
up
>the fader on the Paris track. It doesn't clip.....it should, but it doesn't.
>
>;oD
>
>
>

Channels in SX shouldn't clip either.
Re: What I love about mixing in tandem with Cubase and Paris [message #65219 is a reply to message #65190] Tue, 07 March 2006 02:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
rick is currently offline  rick   UNITED STATES
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that to me is sooooooooooo bluegrass...gotta love it.

On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 08:44:21 -0700, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:

>Well..........yeah, except for the clients who like bursts of noise in their
>mixes. Clipping the kick and snare can really get a nice grungy rythmic vibe
>going, and if properly focused through a tube out the window, and skyward, I
>can actually disturb the electronics in passing aircraft.
>
>;o)
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:kp1o02prbbdof2g9u8b2pag4326jtaesrb@4ax.com...
>> "it should, but it doesn't." so...this is a happy post right???
>> ;o)
>>
>> On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:54:48 -0700, "DJ"
>> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>
>> >.......sooooo........your mix is slammin' Cubase and it's completely out
>of
>> >headroom. The Paris submix clip lights are lit up like a Christ mas tree
>> >when the singer pipes up and says....."man, that sounds great, but I need
>> >more level on the vocal". The engineer (being me) just grins and pushes
>up
>> >the fader on the Paris track. It doesn't clip.....it should, but it
>doesn't.
>> >
>> >;oD
>> >
>> >
>>
>
Re: What I love about mixing in tandem with Cubase and Paris [message #65221 is a reply to message #65219] Tue, 07 March 2006 04:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [1] is currently offline  Deej [1]   UNITED STATES
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It's only bluegrass in these parts if you are using the same tube to try to
bring down aircraft with bursts of noise and as a means of shotgunning a
huge reefer when not in antiaircraft mode. It's hard to believe that people
who are so loaded on ganja can move their fingers so fast.

;oP


"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> that to me is sooooooooooo bluegrass...gotta love it.
>
> On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 08:44:21 -0700, "DJ"
> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
> >Well..........yeah, except for the clients who like bursts of noise in
their
> >mixes. Clipping the kick and snare can really get a nice grungy rythmic
vibe
> >going, and if properly focused through a tube out the window, and
skyward, I
> >can actually disturb the electronics in passing aircraft.
> >
> >;o)
> >
> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:kp1o02prbbdof2g9u8b2pag4326jtaesrb@4ax.com...
> >> "it should, but it doesn't." so...this is a happy post right???
> >> ;o)
> >>
> >> On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:54:48 -0700, "DJ"
> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >.......sooooo........your mix is slammin' Cubase and it's completely
out
> >of
> >> >headroom. The Paris submix clip lights are lit up like a Christ mas
tree
> >> >when the singer pipes up and says....."man, that sounds great, but I
need
> >> >more level on the vocal". The engineer (being me) just grins and
pushes
> >up
> >> >the fader on the Paris track. It doesn't clip.....it should, but it
> >doesn't.
> >> >
> >> >;oD
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
Re: What I love about mixing in tandem with Cubase and Paris [message #65225 is a reply to message #65216] Tue, 07 March 2006 14:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
chuck duffy is currently offline  chuck duffy
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Then there's something wrong with every cubase sx setup I have ever used.
If I make the clip light come on any individual channel by raising the fader
too high, I get nasty digital distortion every time.

Chuck

"Jesse Skeens" <jskeens@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>.......sooooo........your mix is slammin' Cubase and it's completely out
>of
>>headroom. The Paris submix clip lights are lit up like a Christ mas tree
>>when the singer pipes up and says....."man, that sounds great, but I need
>>more level on the vocal". The engineer (being me) just grins and pushes
>up
>>the fader on the Paris track. It doesn't clip.....it should, but it doesn't.
>>
>>;oD
>>
>>
>>
>
>Channels in SX shouldn't clip either.
>
Re: What I love about mixing in tandem with Cubase and Paris [message #65226 is a reply to message #65225] Tue, 07 March 2006 16:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kim is currently offline  Kim
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I beleive that's not the actual channel, but the summing bus clipping. The
channels are 32 bit floating point, hence effectively unclippable. The summing
bus isn't, hence if you feed a channel with the clip light on into the summing
bus, the summing bus clips at the input stage. Hence on normal Cubase systems,
whenever a channel clips you hear clipping, but it's not the channel itself
that clips. It's the moment the channel outputs to the summing bus.

What I don't understand is why doesn't Deej get the same clipping happenning
when the floating point Cubase channels output to the ADAT? Seems to me that
the linear ADATs should suffer from the same issue as the Cubase summing
bus.

Cheers,
Kim.

"c@c.com" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>Then there's something wrong with every cubase sx setup I have ever used.
> If I make the clip light come on any individual channel by raising the
fader
>too high, I get nasty digital distortion every time.
>
>Chuck
>
>"Jesse Skeens" <jskeens@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>.......sooooo........your mix is slammin' Cubase and it's completely out
>>of
>>>headroom. The Paris submix clip lights are lit up like a Christ mas tree
>>>when the singer pipes up and says....."man, that sounds great, but I need
>>>more level on the vocal". The engineer (being me) just grins and pushes
>>up
>>>the fader on the Paris track. It doesn't clip.....it should, but it doesn't.
>>>
>>>;oD
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Channels in SX shouldn't clip either.
>>
>
Re: What I love about mixing in tandem with Cubase and Paris [message #65228 is a reply to message #65226] Tue, 07 March 2006 18:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
chuck duffy is currently offline  chuck duffy
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Is this the summing bus equivalent of if a tree falls in the forest does it
make a sound?


"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>I beleive that's not the actual channel, but the summing bus clipping. The
>channels are 32 bit floating point, hence effectively unclippable. The summing
>bus isn't, hence if you feed a channel with the clip light on into the summing
>bus, the summing bus clips at the input stage. Hence on normal Cubase systems,
>whenever a channel clips you hear clipping, but it's not the channel itself
>that clips. It's the moment the channel outputs to the summing bus.
>
>What I don't understand is why doesn't Deej get the same clipping happenning
>when the floating point Cubase channels output to the ADAT? Seems to me
that
>the linear ADATs should suffer from the same issue as the Cubase summing
>bus.
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
>
>"c@c.com" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>
>>Then there's something wrong with every cubase sx setup I have ever used.
>> If I make the clip light come on any individual channel by raising the
>fader
>>too high, I get nasty digital distortion every time.
>>
>>Chuck
>>
>>"Jesse Skeens" <jskeens@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>.......sooooo........your mix is slammin' Cubase and it's completely
out
>>>of
>>>>headroom. The Paris submix clip lights are lit up like a Christ mas tree
>>>>when the singer pipes up and says....."man, that sounds great, but I
need
>>>>more level on the vocal". The engineer (being me) just grins and pushes
>>>up
>>>>the fader on the Paris track. It doesn't clip.....it should, but it doesn't.
>>>>
>>>>;oD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Channels in SX shouldn't clip either.
>>>
>>
>
Re: What I love about mixing in tandem with Cubase and Paris [message #65229 is a reply to message #65228] Tue, 07 March 2006 19:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kim is currently offline  Kim
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Well that depends, is it a 32 bit floating point forest? ;o)

Cheers,
Kim.

"c@c.com" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>Is this the summing bus equivalent of if a tree falls in the forest does
it
>make a sound?
>
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>I beleive that's not the actual channel, but the summing bus clipping.
The
>>channels are 32 bit floating point, hence effectively unclippable. The
summing
>>bus isn't, hence if you feed a channel with the clip light on into the
summing
>>bus, the summing bus clips at the input stage. Hence on normal Cubase systems,
>>whenever a channel clips you hear clipping, but it's not the channel itself
>>that clips. It's the moment the channel outputs to the summing bus.
>>
>>What I don't understand is why doesn't Deej get the same clipping happenning
>>when the floating point Cubase channels output to the ADAT? Seems to me
>that
>>the linear ADATs should suffer from the same issue as the Cubase summing
>>bus.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>>
>>"c@c.com" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Then there's something wrong with every cubase sx setup I have ever used.
>>> If I make the clip light come on any individual channel by raising the
>>fader
>>>too high, I get nasty digital distortion every time.
>>>
>>>Chuck
>>>
>>>"Jesse Skeens" <jskeens@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>>.......sooooo........your mix is slammin' Cubase and it's completely
>out
>>>>of
>>>>>headroom. The Paris submix clip lights are lit up like a Christ mas
tree
>>>>>when the singer pipes up and says....."man, that sounds great, but I
>need
>>>>>more level on the vocal". The engineer (being me) just grins and pushes
>>>>up
>>>>>the fader on the Paris track. It doesn't clip.....it should, but it
doesn't.
>>>>>
>>>>>;oD
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Channels in SX shouldn't clip either.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: What I love about mixing in tandem with Cubase and Paris [message #65232 is a reply to message #65221] Wed, 08 March 2006 01:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
rick is currently offline  rick   UNITED STATES
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hehehe...guess i better return to greener pastures cuz me be slow. on
an other note my wife, myself and friends have decided it's time to
bring back the phrase "blow me". it's been totally under utilized for
far too long.

On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 05:34:23 -0700, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:

>It's only bluegrass in these parts if you are using the same tube to try to
>bring down aircraft with bursts of noise and as a means of shotgunning a
>huge reefer when not in antiaircraft mode. It's hard to believe that people
>who are so loaded on ganja can move their fingers so fast.
>
>;oP
>
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:kimq02hia2e2spua8nda8a3mnav3oqosrf@4ax.com...
>> that to me is sooooooooooo bluegrass...gotta love it.
>>
>> On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 08:44:21 -0700, "DJ"
>> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Well..........yeah, except for the clients who like bursts of noise in
>their
>> >mixes. Clipping the kick and snare can really get a nice grungy rythmic
>vibe
>> >going, and if properly focused through a tube out the window, and
>skyward, I
>> >can actually disturb the electronics in passing aircraft.
>> >
>> >;o)
>> >
>> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:kp1o02prbbdof2g9u8b2pag4326jtaesrb@4ax.com...
>> >> "it should, but it doesn't." so...this is a happy post right???
>> >> ;o)
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:54:48 -0700, "DJ"
>> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >.......sooooo........your mix is slammin' Cubase and it's completely
>out
>> >of
>> >> >headroom. The Paris submix clip lights are lit up like a Christ mas
>tree
>> >> >when the singer pipes up and says....."man, that sounds great, but I
>need
>> >> >more level on the vocal". The engineer (being me) just grins and
>pushes
>> >up
>> >> >the fader on the Paris track. It doesn't clip.....it should, but it
>> >doesn't.
>> >> >
>> >> >;oD
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
Re: What I love about mixing in tandem with Cubase and Paris [message #65241 is a reply to message #65226] Wed, 08 March 2006 07:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Neil is currently offline  Neil
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Senior Member
Yes, "in principle" 32-bit float shouldn't clip, but
SOMETHING's clipping in there... maybe what Chuck and I are
hearing is the convertors clipping at the output stage? Dunno.
I can't say as I'm hearing the summing buss clipping on input,
otherwise once you started feeding a handful of channels to it,
it would clip all the time, right?

I dunno, I seem to be able to get SX to clip, even when I've
got a brickwall limiter strapped across the 2-buss... you still
have to kind of watch it, as it were, because even under those
circumstances, if you push it too hard, you can hear it get a
bit murky/unclear/distorted - I'm not talking about those
harsh "digital overs" like snaps & dropouts, but it's
something that's not very pretty... not a good type of
distortion.

You just have to be careful, is all - it's not a big deal, the
easiest way to deal with it that I've found is each time after
you add/record a track, simply bring that channel down to -6 db
& that way you've got some headroom everywhere to raise a few
things up if needed, and obviously, plenty of room to go down,
as well.

Deej is taking individual channels & groups out of SX & into
Paris via lightpipe, so maybe that's part of the difference.

Neil


"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>I beleive that's not the actual channel, but the summing bus clipping. The
>channels are 32 bit floating point, hence effectively unclippable. The summing
>bus isn't, hence if you feed a channel with the clip light on into the summing
>bus, the summing bus clips at the input stage. Hence on normal Cubase systems,
>whenever a channel clips you hear clipping, but it's not the channel itself
>that clips. It's the moment the channel outputs to the summing bus.
>
>What I don't understand is why doesn't Deej get the same clipping happenning
>when the floating point Cubase channels output to the ADAT? Seems to me
that
>the linear ADATs should suffer from the same issue as the Cubase summing
>bus.
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
>
>"c@c.com" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>
>>Then there's something wrong with every cubase sx setup I have ever used.
>> If I make the clip light come on any individual channel by raising the
>fader
>>too high, I get nasty digital distortion every time.
>>
>>Chuck
>>
>>"Jesse Skeens" <jskeens@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>.......sooooo........your mix is slammin' Cubase and it's completely
out
>>>of
>>>>headroom. The Paris submix clip lights are lit up like a Christ mas tree
>>>>when the singer pipes up and says....."man, that sounds great, but I
need
>>>>more level on the vocal". The engineer (being me) just grins and pushes
>>>up
>>>>the fader on the Paris track. It doesn't clip.....it should, but it doesn't.
>>>>
>>>>;oD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Channels in SX shouldn't clip either.
>>>
>>
>
Re: What I love about mixing in tandem with Cubase and Paris [message #65244 is a reply to message #65232] Wed, 08 March 2006 06:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [1] is currently offline  Deej [1]   UNITED STATES
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Blow me????.........Yeh.........it's time for the *blow me* renaissance.

"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> hehehe...guess i better return to greener pastures cuz me be slow. on
> an other note my wife, myself and friends have decided it's time to
> bring back the phrase "blow me". it's been totally under utilized for
> far too long.
>
> On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 05:34:23 -0700, "DJ"
> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
> >It's only bluegrass in these parts if you are using the same tube to try
to
> >bring down aircraft with bursts of noise and as a means of shotgunning a
> >huge reefer when not in antiaircraft mode. It's hard to believe that
people
> >who are so loaded on ganja can move their fingers so fast.
> >
> >;oP
> >
> >
> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:kimq02hia2e2spua8nda8a3mnav3oqosrf@4ax.com...
> >> that to me is sooooooooooo bluegrass...gotta love it.
> >>
> >> On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 08:44:21 -0700, "DJ"
> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Well..........yeah, except for the clients who like bursts of noise in
> >their
> >> >mixes. Clipping the kick and snare can really get a nice grungy
rythmic
> >vibe
> >> >going, and if properly focused through a tube out the window, and
> >skyward, I
> >> >can actually disturb the electronics in passing aircraft.
> >> >
> >> >;o)
> >> >
> >> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:kp1o02prbbdof2g9u8b2pag4326jtaesrb@4ax.com...
> >> >> "it should, but it doesn't." so...this is a happy post right???
> >> >> ;o)
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:54:48 -0700, "DJ"
> >> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >.......sooooo........your mix is slammin' Cubase and it's
completely
> >out
> >> >of
> >> >> >headroom. The Paris submix clip lights are lit up like a Christ mas
> >tree
> >> >> >when the singer pipes up and says....."man, that sounds great, but
I
> >need
> >> >> >more level on the vocal". The engineer (being me) just grins and
> >pushes
> >> >up
> >> >> >the fader on the Paris track. It doesn't clip.....it should, but it
> >> >doesn't.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >;oD
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
Re: What I love about mixing in tandem with Cubase and Paris [message #65246 is a reply to message #65241] Wed, 08 March 2006 07:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [1] is currently offline  Deej [1]   UNITED STATES
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I can definitely clip the track if I'm looping it through an insert to/from
an external processor, so I would say you are correct sir.

;o)

"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:440ee8eb$1@linux...
>
> Yes, "in principle" 32-bit float shouldn't clip, but
> SOMETHING's clipping in there... maybe what Chuck and I are
> hearing is the convertors clipping at the output stage? Dunno.
> I can't say as I'm hearing the summing buss clipping on input,
> otherwise once you started feeding a handful of channels to it,
> it would clip all the time, right?
>
> I dunno, I seem to be able to get SX to clip, even when I've
> got a brickwall limiter strapped across the 2-buss... you still
> have to kind of watch it, as it were, because even under those
> circumstances, if you push it too hard, you can hear it get a
> bit murky/unclear/distorted - I'm not talking about those
> harsh "digital overs" like snaps & dropouts, but it's
> something that's not very pretty... not a good type of
> distortion.
>
> You just have to be careful, is all - it's not a big deal, the
> easiest way to deal with it that I've found is each time after
> you add/record a track, simply bring that channel down to -6 db
> & that way you've got some headroom everywhere to raise a few
> things up if needed, and obviously, plenty of room to go down,
> as well.
>
> Deej is taking individual channels & groups out of SX & into
> Paris via lightpipe, so maybe that's part of the difference.
>
> Neil
>
>
> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >I beleive that's not the actual channel, but the summing bus clipping.
The
> >channels are 32 bit floating point, hence effectively unclippable. The
summing
> >bus isn't, hence if you feed a channel with the clip light on into the
summing
> >bus, the summing bus clips at the input stage. Hence on normal Cubase
systems,
> >whenever a channel clips you hear clipping, but it's not the channel
itself
> >that clips. It's the moment the channel outputs to the summing bus.
> >
> >What I don't understand is why doesn't Deej get the same clipping
happenning
> >when the floating point Cubase channels output to the ADAT? Seems to me
> that
> >the linear ADATs should suffer from the same issue as the Cubase summing
> >bus.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Kim.
> >
> >"c@c.com" <c@c.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>Then there's something wrong with every cubase sx setup I have ever
used.
> >> If I make the clip light come on any individual channel by raising the
> >fader
> >>too high, I get nasty digital distortion every time.
> >>
> >>Chuck
> >>
> >>"Jesse Skeens" <jskeens@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>>>.......sooooo........your mix is slammin' Cubase and it's completely
> out
> >>>of
> >>>>headroom. The Paris submix clip lights are lit up like a Christ mas
tree
> >>>>when the singer pipes up and says....."man, that sounds great, but I
> need
> >>>>more level on the vocal". The engineer (being me) just grins and
pushes
> >>>up
> >>>>the fader on the Paris track. It doesn't clip.....it should, but it
doesn't.
> >>>>
> >>>>;oD
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>Channels in SX shouldn't clip either.
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
Re: What I love about mixing in tandem with Cubase and Paris [message #65258 is a reply to message #65244] Wed, 08 March 2006 19:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
chuck duffy is currently offline  chuck duffy
Messages: 453
Registered: July 2005
Senior Member
Huh? I've been using that as my catchphrase for the last 20 or so


"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Blow me????.........Yeh.........it's time for the *blow me* renaissance.
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:ps8t025uu7g4r2kt3b6hslmbjfh701tf2a@4ax.com...
>> hehehe...guess i better return to greener pastures cuz me be slow. on
>> an other note my wife, myself and friends have decided it's time to
>> bring back the phrase "blow me". it's been totally under utilized for
>> far too long.
>>
>> On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 05:34:23 -0700, "DJ"
>> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>
>> >It's only bluegrass in these parts if you are using the same tube to
try
>to
>> >bring down aircraft with bursts of noise and as a means of shotgunning
a
>> >huge reefer when not in antiaircraft mode. It's hard to believe that
>people
>> >who are so loaded on ganja can move their fingers so fast.
>> >
>> >;oP
>> >
>> >
>> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:kimq02hia2e2spua8nda8a3mnav3oqosrf@4ax.com...
>> >> that to me is sooooooooooo bluegrass...gotta love it.
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 08:44:21 -0700, "DJ"
>> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Well..........yeah, except for the clients who like bursts of noise
in
>> >their
>> >> >mixes. Clipping the kick and snare can really get a nice grungy
>rythmic
>> >vibe
>> >> >going, and if properly focused through a tube out the window, and
>> >skyward, I
>> >> >can actually disturb the electronics in passing aircraft.
>> >> >
>> >> >;o)
>> >> >
>> >> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:kp1o02prbbdof2g9u8b2pag4326jtaesrb@4ax.com...
>> >> >> "it should, but it doesn't." so...this is a happy post right???
>> >> >> ;o)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:54:48 -0700, "DJ"
>> >> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >.......sooooo........your mix is slammin' Cubase and it's
>completely
>> >out
>> >> >of
>> >> >> >headroom. The Paris submix clip lights are lit up like a Christ
mas
>> >tree
>> >> >> >when the singer pipes up and says....."man, that sounds great,
but
>I
>> >need
>> >> >> >more level on the vocal". The engineer (being me) just grins and
>> >pushes
>> >> >up
>> >> >> >the fader on the Paris track. It doesn't clip.....it should, but
it
>> >> >doesn't.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >;oD
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
>
Re: What I love about mixing in tandem with Cubase and Paris [message #65264 is a reply to message #65241] Thu, 09 March 2006 00:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jesse Skeens is currently offline  Jesse Skeens
Messages: 53
Registered: November 2005
Member
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>Yes, "in principle" 32-bit float shouldn't clip, but
>SOMETHING's clipping in there... maybe what Chuck and I are
>hearing is the convertors clipping at the output stage? Dunno.
>I can't say as I'm hearing the summing buss clipping on input,
>otherwise once you started feeding a handful of channels to it,
>it would clip all the time, right?



Not having probs with clipping here at all, unless its at the stereo buss
level going to converters.
Re: What I love about mixing in tandem with Cubase and Paris [message #65265 is a reply to message #65258] Thu, 09 March 2006 01:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
rick is currently offline  rick   UNITED STATES
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
Senior Member
yeah, but we're now the new hepsters on the block while you've been
passe for the last 20...

;o)

On 9 Mar 2006 13:02:08 +1000, "chuck" <c@c.com> wrote:

>
>Huh? I've been using that as my catchphrase for the last 20 or so
>
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>Blow me????.........Yeh.........it's time for the *blow me* renaissance.
>>
>>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:ps8t025uu7g4r2kt3b6hslmbjfh701tf2a@4ax.com...
>>> hehehe...guess i better return to greener pastures cuz me be slow. on
>>> an other note my wife, myself and friends have decided it's time to
>>> bring back the phrase "blow me". it's been totally under utilized for
>>> far too long.
>>>
>>> On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 05:34:23 -0700, "DJ"
>>> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >It's only bluegrass in these parts if you are using the same tube to
>try
>>to
>>> >bring down aircraft with bursts of noise and as a means of shotgunning
>a
>>> >huge reefer when not in antiaircraft mode. It's hard to believe that
>>people
>>> >who are so loaded on ganja can move their fingers so fast.
>>> >
>>> >;oP
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> >news:kimq02hia2e2spua8nda8a3mnav3oqosrf@4ax.com...
>>> >> that to me is sooooooooooo bluegrass...gotta love it.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 08:44:21 -0700, "DJ"
>>> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >Well..........yeah, except for the clients who like bursts of noise
>in
>>> >their
>>> >> >mixes. Clipping the kick and snare can really get a nice grungy
>>rythmic
>>> >vibe
>>> >> >going, and if properly focused through a tube out the window, and
>>> >skyward, I
>>> >> >can actually disturb the electronics in passing aircraft.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >;o)
>>> >> >
>>> >> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> >> >news:kp1o02prbbdof2g9u8b2pag4326jtaesrb@4ax.com...
>>> >> >> "it should, but it doesn't." so...this is a happy post right???
>>> >> >> ;o)
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:54:48 -0700, "DJ"
>>> >> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >.......sooooo........your mix is slammin' Cubase and it's
>>completely
>>> >out
>>> >> >of
>>> >> >> >headroom. The Paris submix clip lights are lit up like a Christ
>mas
>>> >tree
>>> >> >> >when the singer pipes up and says....."man, that sounds great,
>but
>>I
>>> >need
>>> >> >> >more level on the vocal". The engineer (being me) just grins and
>>> >pushes
>>> >> >up
>>> >> >> >the fader on the Paris track. It doesn't clip.....it should, but
>it
>>> >> >doesn't.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >;oD
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
Re: What I love about mixing in tandem with Cubase and Paris [message #65266 is a reply to message #65265] Thu, 09 March 2006 02:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kim is currently offline  Kim
Messages: 1246
Registered: October 2005
Senior Member
LOL!! Hehe... nice.

rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>yeah, but we're now the new hepsters on the block while you've been
>passe for the last 20...
>
>;o)
>
>On 9 Mar 2006 13:02:08 +1000, "chuck" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Huh? I've been using that as my catchphrase for the last 20 or so
>>
>>
>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>Blow me????.........Yeh.........it's time for the *blow me* renaissance.
>>>
>>>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:ps8t025uu7g4r2kt3b6hslmbjfh701tf2a@4ax.com...
>>>> hehehe...guess i better return to greener pastures cuz me be slow.
on
>>>> an other note my wife, myself and friends have decided it's time to
>>>> bring back the phrase "blow me". it's been totally under utilized for
>>>> far too long.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 05:34:23 -0700, "DJ"
>>>> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >It's only bluegrass in these parts if you are using the same tube to
>>try
>>>to
>>>> >bring down aircraft with bursts of noise and as a means of shotgunning
>>a
>>>> >huge reefer when not in antiaircraft mode. It's hard to believe that
>>>people
>>>> >who are so loaded on ganja can move their fingers so fast.
>>>> >
>>>> >;oP
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> >news:kimq02hia2e2spua8nda8a3mnav3oqosrf@4ax.com...
>>>> >> that to me is sooooooooooo bluegrass...gotta love it.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 08:44:21 -0700, "DJ"
>>>> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >Well..........yeah, except for the clients who like bursts of noise
>>in
>>>> >their
>>>> >> >mixes. Clipping the kick and snare can really get a nice grungy
>>>rythmic
>>>> >vibe
>>>> >> >going, and if properly focused through a tube out the window, and
>>>> >skyward, I
>>>> >> >can actually disturb the electronics in passing aircraft.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >;o)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> >> >news:kp1o02prbbdof2g9u8b2pag4326jtaesrb@4ax.com...
>>>> >> >> "it should, but it doesn't." so...this is a happy post right???
>>>> >> >> ;o)
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:54:48 -0700, "DJ"
>>>> >> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >.......sooooo........your mix is slammin' Cubase and it's
>>>completely
>>>> >out
>>>> >> >of
>>>> >> >> >headroom. The Paris submix clip lights are lit up like a Christ
>>mas
>>>> >tree
>>>> >> >> >when the singer pipes up and says....."man, that sounds great,
>>but
>>>I
>>>> >need
>>>> >> >> >more level on the vocal". The engineer (being me) just grins
and
>>>> >pushes
>>>> >> >up
>>>> >> >> >the fader on the Paris track. It doesn't clip.....it should,
but
>>it
>>>> >> >doesn't.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >;oD
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
Re: What I love about mixing in tandem with Cubase and Paris [message #65291 is a reply to message #65258] Fri, 10 March 2006 01:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
rick is currently offline  rick   UNITED STATES
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
Senior Member
eat me. ;o)

On 9 Mar 2006 13:02:08 +1000, "chuck" <c@c.com> wrote:

>
>Huh? I've been using that as my catchphrase for the last 20 or so
>
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>Blow me????.........Yeh.........it's time for the *blow me* renaissance.
>>
>>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:ps8t025uu7g4r2kt3b6hslmbjfh701tf2a@4ax.com...
>>> hehehe...guess i better return to greener pastures cuz me be slow. on
>>> an other note my wife, myself and friends have decided it's time to
>>> bring back the phrase "blow me". it's been totally under utilized for
>>> far too long.
>>>
>>> On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 05:34:23 -0700, "DJ"
>>> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >It's only bluegrass in these parts if you are using the same tube to
>try
>>to
>>> >bring down aircraft with bursts of noise and as a means of shotgunning
>a
>>> >huge reefer when not in antiaircraft mode. It's hard to believe that
>>people
>>> >who are so loaded on ganja can move their fingers so fast.
>>> >
>>> >;oP
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> >news:kimq02hia2e2spua8nda8a3mnav3oqosrf@4ax.com...
>>> >> that to me is sooooooooooo bluegrass...gotta love it.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 08:44:21 -0700, "DJ"
>>> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >Well..........yeah, except for the clients who like bursts of noise
>in
>>> >their
>>> >> >mixes. Clipping the kick and snare can really get a nice grungy
>>rythmic
>>> >vibe
>>> >> >going, and if properly focused through a tube out the window, and
>>> >skyward, I
>>> >> >can actually disturb the electronics in passing aircraft.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >;o)
>>> >> >
>>> >> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> >> >news:kp1o02prbbdof2g9u8b2pag4326jtaesrb@4ax.com...
>>> >> >> "it should, but it doesn't." so...this is a happy post right???
>>> >> >> ;o)
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:54:48 -0700, "DJ"
>>> >> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >.......sooooo........your mix is slammin' Cubase and it's
>>completely
>>> >out
>>> >> >of
>>> >> >> >headroom. The Paris submix clip lights are lit up like a Christ
>mas
>>> >tree
>>> >> >> >when the singer pipes up and says....."man, that sounds great,
>but
>>I
>>> >need
>>> >> >> >more level on the vocal". The engineer (being me) just grins and
>>> >pushes
>>> >> >up
>>> >> >> >the fader on the Paris track. It doesn't clip.....it should, but
>it
>>> >> >doesn't.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >;oD
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
Re: What I love about mixing in tandem with Cubase and Paris [message #65292 is a reply to message #65266] Fri, 10 March 2006 01:46 Go to previous message
rick is currently offline  rick   UNITED STATES
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
Senior Member
i forgot to get the new headers before posting and thought it just
didn't show up here. soooooooo the eat me was for chucky boy....oops.

On 9 Mar 2006 20:58:12 +1000, "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>LOL!! Hehe... nice.
>
>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>yeah, but we're now the new hepsters on the block while you've been
>>passe for the last 20...
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>On 9 Mar 2006 13:02:08 +1000, "chuck" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Huh? I've been using that as my catchphrase for the last 20 or so
>>>
>>>
>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>Blow me????.........Yeh.........it's time for the *blow me* renaissance.
>>>>
>>>>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:ps8t025uu7g4r2kt3b6hslmbjfh701tf2a@4ax.com...
>>>>> hehehe...guess i better return to greener pastures cuz me be slow.
>on
>>>>> an other note my wife, myself and friends have decided it's time to
>>>>> bring back the phrase "blow me". it's been totally under utilized for
>>>>> far too long.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 05:34:23 -0700, "DJ"
>>>>> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >It's only bluegrass in these parts if you are using the same tube to
>>>try
>>>>to
>>>>> >bring down aircraft with bursts of noise and as a means of shotgunning
>>>a
>>>>> >huge reefer when not in antiaircraft mode. It's hard to believe that
>>>>people
>>>>> >who are so loaded on ganja can move their fingers so fast.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >;oP
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> >news:kimq02hia2e2spua8nda8a3mnav3oqosrf@4ax.com...
>>>>> >> that to me is sooooooooooo bluegrass...gotta love it.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 08:44:21 -0700, "DJ"
>>>>> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> >Well..........yeah, except for the clients who like bursts of noise
>>>in
>>>>> >their
>>>>> >> >mixes. Clipping the kick and snare can really get a nice grungy
>>>>rythmic
>>>>> >vibe
>>>>> >> >going, and if properly focused through a tube out the window, and
>>>>> >skyward, I
>>>>> >> >can actually disturb the electronics in passing aircraft.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >;o)
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> >> >news:kp1o02prbbdof2g9u8b2pag4326jtaesrb@4ax.com...
>>>>> >> >> "it should, but it doesn't." so...this is a happy post right???
>>>>> >> >> ;o)
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:54:48 -0700, "DJ"
>>>>> >> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> >.......sooooo........your mix is slammin' Cubase and it's
>>>>completely
>>>>> >out
>>>>> >> >of
>>>>> >> >> >headroom. The Paris submix clip lights are lit up like a Christ
>>>mas
>>>>> >tree
>>>>> >> >> >when the singer pipes up and says....."man, that sounds great,
>>>but
>>>>I
>>>>> >need
>>>>> >> >> >more level on the vocal". The engineer (being me) just grins
>and
>>>>> >pushes
>>>>> >> >up
>>>>> >> >> >the fader on the Paris track. It doesn't clip.....it should,
>but
>>>it
>>>>> >> >doesn't.
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >;oD
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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