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| Got the Paris stuff from John... [message #75862] |
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neil[1]
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...2nd PC is now up & running - kept an old computer that had
WinME as the OS; don't know why I kept it around, but I'm glad
I did, because I just swapped out the hard drives & CD/DVD
drive from that one, used a spare Antec Power supply I had,
plus the MOBO, CPU & RAM I just replaced in my main DAW, got a
$39 empty case from CompUSA, and voila'! Did the mandatory
multi-boot startup process so Windoze could find all the
drivers for this hardware config, but Paris seems to be working
right on a first-attempt install... no errors or anything!
Let the summing experiments begin! :D
I'll post some comparison files at sum point - get it "SUM"
point? :D this weekend... got a vocal session coming in right
now, though, so I won't be able to get started experimenting
'til later this evening.
Neil
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| Re: Got the Paris stuff from John... [message #75865 is a reply to message #75862] |
Thu, 09 November 2006 15:32  |
DJ
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Hey Neil,
Feel free to give me a call if you hit any snags with the Pulsar. I've been
test driving mine some more today and I'm still liking it a lot. The routing
capabilities of this platform are nothing short of a liberating experience.
I was going to get myself a Frontier Apache to interface all of my Paris
ADAT and Scope ADAT I/O until I discovered that I can route all of my ADAT /
optical I/O from within Scope environment the same way I would with the
Apache (given enough physical optical I/O on the Pulsar cards).
The more I get into the DSP based FX, the better I like them. I've got a
pair of snare tracks (over & under) being processed in parallel with the the
UAD-1 Neve 1073 and then bussed to a 2nd pair of mixer channels being
processed with the Vinco compressor. Awesome sound.
For my purposes, just the simplicity/intuitiveness of the routing
capabilities of this platform would have made it worth the switch.
DJ
"Nel" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45563711$1@linux...
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> ..2nd PC is now up & running - kept an old computer that had
> WinME as the OS; don't know why I kept it around, but I'm glad
> I did, because I just swapped out the hard drives & CD/DVD
> drive from that one, used a spare Antec Power supply I had,
> plus the MOBO, CPU & RAM I just replaced in my main DAW, got a
> $39 empty case from CompUSA, and voila'! Did the mandatory
> multi-boot startup process so Windoze could find all the
> drivers for this hardware config, but Paris seems to be working
> right on a first-attempt install... no errors or anything!
>
> Let the summing experiments begin! :D
>
> I'll post some comparison files at sum point - get it "SUM"
> point? :D this weekend... got a vocal session coming in right
> now, though, so I won't be able to get started experimenting
> 'til later this evening.
>
> Neil
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| Re: Got the Paris stuff from John... [message #75868 is a reply to message #75865] |
Sat, 11 November 2006 23:38 |
Neil
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"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>Hey Neil,
>
>Feel free to give me a call if you hit any snags with the Pulsar.
Thanks for the offer, Deej - I may do that... it's not
scheduled to get here until late next week, actually, so it
won't be right away that I need to take you up on it if I have
problems.
>I've been test driving mine some more today and I'm still
>liking it a lot.
What? You havent shitcanned it yet? (oh, no wait, that's
tomorrow - Sunday) :D j/k!
BTW I decided to get the Professional card (instead of the
Project card) for more DSP, and I passed on the convertors
(their A16ultra box), since I didn't want to dump too much
money into this experiment if it didn't work out. In talking to
Gary, he wasn't sure if I'd be able to sum as many channels as
I'm running, plus a couple of 'verbs, plus a few channels of
dynamics at 88.2k/24-bit with the Project card. Then I got a
lecture about using 88.2k in the first place... you know - the
whole "you can't hear it once you convert to 44.1 for CD's
anyway, and then you also get aliasing when you do, and in the
meanwhile you're using too many DSP & CPU resources" - blah,
blah, blah, yada, yada, yada... tell it to Rupert Neve & Geoff
Emerick (you know, the story Rupert tells about Geoff noticing
a "bad" channel in one of his consoles that they had just
installed... what was "bad" about it was a defective cap that
was oscillating at 30k).
Anyway, I believe I can hear a difference with those higher
sample rates - whether I'm fooling myself or not is, I suppose,
a point of argument.
Now, the other thing I'll need to figure out with the Pulsar
card is the whole i/o deal... if I'm going to keep the RME
convertors & use them instead of getting an A16Ultra, then I've
got two issues at hand:
1.) If I'm going to use the Pulsar card in the input chain,
then I'm going to be limited to ten tracks max on input at my
88.2k sample rate (I got the "Plus" i/o option so I could have
balanced ins & outs, which gives you two analog ins, two
ADAT/Optical in's - which are good for 4 channels each at that
sample rate - and 2 AES in's, but I don't have anything with
AES outs except for my Mucusrite ISA 428 with the digicard
option - and I don't know if you can use the AES & lightpipe
outs at the same time... anyway, maybe I'll be able to get 12
channels of input out of the system; ten for sure. We'll see.
In any event, that's a step back from my current 16 analog ins
(with my two Multifaces) plus 4 channels of digilight (using
the ISA card). Not a problem for most of the stuff I do, but
getting another full RAWK band in here, 10 or 12 in's might not
be enough for basic trax.
2.) The second issue I'll be dealing with by keeping the RME
convertors can be summed up in this simple phrase:
TWO ASIO DRIVERS... need I say more?
Well, we'll see how that goes, as well... maybe I can still use
the Multifaces & their own drivers for tracking, enabling me to
have all the inputs I need & not worry about interfacing the
Multifaces with the Pulsar card, and then release those drivers
for mixdown & incorporate the Pulsar Card at that point.... not
sure how well that'll work, but I guess I'm gonna try it.
In any event, I've just been messing with the Paris summing
thing right now. Got Paris up & running first time &
everything's working fine... had some routing problems with my
RME's, though... for some odd reason I no longer have Output
#4! Switched the two Multifaces around, swapped out PCI cards &
even PCI slots, still nothing... it's showing up as "active"
and "visible" in the 'Device Setup' menu, too; but no matter
what configuration I try, I just simply do not have Analog Out
#4 any more... weird. I don't know when this might have
happened, because I haven't needed to use that before.
If anyone can give me a hint as to what I might try, I'd
appreciate it!
In any event, I'm using 4 sets of stereo analog outs, going
into the Paris 8-in module, and monitoring off the MEC... what
do I think so far? Well, there's definitely a difference vs.
mixing ITB on a 2-buss Native mix, as I suspected there would
be. Does it sound better than a straight 2-buss Native mix?
Yeah, I think so in a way... I'm definitely losing some high
end, but it sounds bigger - won't be able to tell for sure
until I a/b them, but those are my initital impressions. To me
it sounds much like what you'd get if you stemmed out four or
five stereo submixes in SX, then re-imported them into a new
project & summed it to your final 2-track mix from there.
Again, not certain how close the comparison is, but tomorrow
I'm going to run a totally ITB Native 2-buss mix, a stemmed
Native mix, and a "summed in Paris" mix & post some clips so you
guys can compare for yourselves.
Neil
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| Re: Got the Paris stuff from John... [message #75869 is a reply to message #75868] |
Sat, 11 November 2006 23:28 |
JeffH
Messages: 307
Registered: October 2007
Location: Wamic, OR
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Neil,
Kind of a neophyte on all this stuff, but what about picking up a low
end pc just for multiface control(or you may have one in your back
room). Still just starting with the multiface thing myself, but I doubt
it takes any power to run Totalmix, and that would get around the
"confguration lost when power's off" if you run the multifaces
standlone. The multifaces would be relegated to basically just A/D
converters, but it sounds like that's what you want. Just use a KVM
switch (cheap one) to get to the piece occasionally if there is issues.
Just a thought
Jeff
Neil wrote:
> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>
>>Hey Neil,
>>
>>Feel free to give me a call if you hit any snags with the Pulsar.
>
>
> Thanks for the offer, Deej - I may do that... it's not
> scheduled to get here until late next week, actually, so it
> won't be right away that I need to take you up on it if I have
> problems.
>
>
>>I've been test driving mine some more today and I'm still
>>liking it a lot.
>
>
> What? You havent shitcanned it yet? (oh, no wait, that's
> tomorrow - Sunday) :D j/k!
>
> BTW I decided to get the Professional card (instead of the
> Project card) for more DSP, and I passed on the convertors
> (their A16ultra box), since I didn't want to dump too much
> money into this experiment if it didn't work out. In talking to
> Gary, he wasn't sure if I'd be able to sum as many channels as
> I'm running, plus a couple of 'verbs, plus a few channels of
> dynamics at 88.2k/24-bit with the Project card. Then I got a
> lecture about using 88.2k in the first place... you know - the
> whole "you can't hear it once you convert to 44.1 for CD's
> anyway, and then you also get aliasing when you do, and in the
> meanwhile you're using too many DSP & CPU resources" - blah,
> blah, blah, yada, yada, yada... tell it to Rupert Neve & Geoff
> Emerick (you know, the story Rupert tells about Geoff noticing
> a "bad" channel in one of his consoles that they had just
> installed... what was "bad" about it was a defective cap that
> was oscillating at 30k).
>
> Anyway, I believe I can hear a difference with those higher
> sample rates - whether I'm fooling myself or not is, I suppose,
> a point of argument.
>
> Now, the other thing I'll need to figure out with the Pulsar
> card is the whole i/o deal... if I'm going to keep the RME
> convertors & use them instead of getting an A16Ultra, then I've
> got two issues at hand:
> 1.) If I'm going to use the Pulsar card in the input chain,
> then I'm going to be limited to ten tracks max on input at my
> 88.2k sample rate (I got the "Plus" i/o option so I could have
> balanced ins & outs, which gives you two analog ins, two
> ADAT/Optical in's - which are good for 4 channels each at that
> sample rate - and 2 AES in's, but I don't have anything with
> AES outs except for my Mucusrite ISA 428 with the digicard
> option - and I don't know if you can use the AES & lightpipe
> outs at the same time... anyway, maybe I'll be able to get 12
> channels of input out of the system; ten for sure. We'll see.
> In any event, that's a step back from my current 16 analog ins
> (with my two Multifaces) plus 4 channels of digilight (using
> the ISA card). Not a problem for most of the stuff I do, but
> getting another full RAWK band in here, 10 or 12 in's might not
> be enough for basic trax.
>
> 2.) The second issue I'll be dealing with by keeping the RME
> convertors can be summed up in this simple phrase:
> TWO ASIO DRIVERS... need I say more?
> Well, we'll see how that goes, as well... maybe I can still use
> the Multifaces & their own drivers for tracking, enabling me to
> have all the inputs I need & not worry about interfacing the
> Multifaces with the Pulsar card, and then release those drivers
> for mixdown & incorporate the Pulsar Card at that point.... not
> sure how well that'll work, but I guess I'm gonna try it.
>
> In any event, I've just been messing with the Paris summing
> thing right now. Got Paris up & running first time &
> everything's working fine... had some routing problems with my
> RME's, though... for some odd reason I no longer have Output
> #4! Switched the two Multifaces around, swapped out PCI cards &
> even PCI slots, still nothing... it's showing up as "active"
> and "visible" in the 'Device Setup' menu, too; but no matter
> what configuration I try, I just simply do not have Analog Out
> #4 any more... weird. I don't know when this might have
> happened, because I haven't needed to use that before.
>
> If anyone can give me a hint as to what I might try, I'd
> appreciate it!
>
> In any event, I'm using 4 sets of stereo analog outs, going
> into the Paris 8-in module, and monitoring off the MEC... what
> do I think so far? Well, there's definitely a difference vs.
> mixing ITB on a 2-buss Native mix, as I suspected there would
> be. Does it sound better than a straight 2-buss Native mix?
> Yeah, I think so in a way... I'm definitely losing some high
> end, but it sounds bigger - won't be able to tell for sure
> until I a/b them, but those are my initital impressions. To me
> it sounds much like what you'd get if you stemmed out four or
> five stereo submixes in SX, then re-imported them into a new
> project & summed it to your final 2-track mix from there.
> Again, not certain how close the comparison is, but tomorrow
> I'm going to run a totally ITB Native 2-buss mix, a stemmed
> Native mix, and a "summed in Paris" mix & post some clips so you
> guys can compare for yourselves.
>
> Neil
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| Re: Got the Paris stuff from John... [message #75873 is a reply to message #75869] |
Sun, 12 November 2006 09:58 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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Hey Jeff...
No, I don't have a spare one laying around anymore - the one I
did have was cannibalized to build the Paris PC. I don't know
if I really want to a third one to the mix - I'm trying to
figure out how to configure this additional stuff now
(**physically** configure, I mean - not configuring connections,
etc.), so I don't know if I'd even have a good place to put
another PC; although you're right, that could be an inexpensive
way to go about it - I could pick up a cheapie e-machines brand
or equivalent for in the slightly over $300 range.
That'll definitely be something to consider if I end up going
through dual-ASIO-driver hell on the main PC.
Neil
Jeff hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>Neil,
>
>Kind of a neophyte on all this stuff, but what about picking up a low
>end pc just for multiface control(or you may have one in your back
>room). Still just starting with the multiface thing myself, but I doubt
>it takes any power to run Totalmix, and that would get around the
>"confguration lost when power's off" if you run the multifaces
>standlone. The multifaces would be relegated to basically just A/D
>converters, but it sounds like that's what you want. Just use a KVM
>switch (cheap one) to get to the piece occasionally if there is issues.
>
>Just a thought
>
>
>Jeff
>
>Neil wrote:
>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Hey Neil,
>>>
>>>Feel free to give me a call if you hit any snags with the Pulsar.
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the offer, Deej - I may do that... it's not
>> scheduled to get here until late next week, actually, so it
>> won't be right away that I need to take you up on it if I have
>> problems.
>>
>>
>>>I've been test driving mine some more today and I'm still
>>>liking it a lot.
>>
>>
>> What? You havent shitcanned it yet? (oh, no wait, that's
>> tomorrow - Sunday) :D j/k!
>>
>> BTW I decided to get the Professional card (instead of the
>> Project card) for more DSP, and I passed on the convertors
>> (their A16ultra box), since I didn't want to dump too much
>> money into this experiment if it didn't work out. In talking to
>> Gary, he wasn't sure if I'd be able to sum as many channels as
>> I'm running, plus a couple of 'verbs, plus a few channels of
>> dynamics at 88.2k/24-bit with the Project card. Then I got a
>> lecture about using 88.2k in the first place... you know - the
>> whole "you can't hear it once you convert to 44.1 for CD's
>> anyway, and then you also get aliasing when you do, and in the
>> meanwhile you're using too many DSP & CPU resources" - blah,
>> blah, blah, yada, yada, yada... tell it to Rupert Neve & Geoff
>> Emerick (you know, the story Rupert tells about Geoff noticing
>> a "bad" channel in one of his consoles that they had just
>> installed... what was "bad" about it was a defective cap that
>> was oscillating at 30k).
>>
>> Anyway, I believe I can hear a difference with those higher
>> sample rates - whether I'm fooling myself or not is, I suppose,
>> a point of argument.
>>
>> Now, the other thing I'll need to figure out with the Pulsar
>> card is the whole i/o deal... if I'm going to keep the RME
>> convertors & use them instead of getting an A16Ultra, then I've
>> got two issues at hand:
>> 1.) If I'm going to use the Pulsar card in the input chain,
>> then I'm going to be limited to ten tracks max on input at my
>> 88.2k sample rate (I got the "Plus" i/o option so I could have
>> balanced ins & outs, which gives you two analog ins, two
>> ADAT/Optical in's - which are good for 4 channels each at that
>> sample rate - and 2 AES in's, but I don't have anything with
>> AES outs except for my Mucusrite ISA 428 with the digicard
>> option - and I don't know if you can use the AES & lightpipe
>> outs at the same time... anyway, maybe I'll be able to get 12
>> channels of input out of the system; ten for sure. We'll see.
>> In any event, that's a step back from my current 16 analog ins
>> (with my two Multifaces) plus 4 channels of digilight (using
>> the ISA card). Not a problem for most of the stuff I do, but
>> getting another full RAWK band in here, 10 or 12 in's might not
>> be enough for basic trax.
>>
>> 2.) The second issue I'll be dealing with by keeping the RME
>> convertors can be summed up in this simple phrase:
>> TWO ASIO DRIVERS... need I say more?
>> Well, we'll see how that goes, as well... maybe I can still use
>> the Multifaces & their own drivers for tracking, enabling me to
>> have all the inputs I need & not worry about interfacing the
>> Multifaces with the Pulsar card, and then release those drivers
>> for mixdown & incorporate the Pulsar Card at that point.... not
>> sure how well that'll work, but I guess I'm gonna try it.
>>
>> In any event, I've just been messing with the Paris summing
>> thing right now. Got Paris up & running first time &
>> everything's working fine... had some routing problems with my
>> RME's, though... for some odd reason I no longer have Output
>> #4! Switched the two Multifaces around, swapped out PCI cards &
>> even PCI slots, still nothing... it's showing up as "active"
>> and "visible" in the 'Device Setup' menu, too; but no matter
>> what configuration I try, I just simply do not have Analog Out
>> #4 any more... weird. I don't know when this might have
>> happened, because I haven't needed to use that before.
>>
>> If anyone can give me a hint as to what I might try, I'd
>> appreciate it!
>>
>> In any event, I'm using 4 sets of stereo analog outs, going
>> into the Paris 8-in module, and monitoring off the MEC... what
>> do I think so far? Well, there's definitely a difference vs.
>> mixing ITB on a 2-buss Native mix, as I suspected there would
>> be. Does it sound better than a straight 2-buss Native mix?
>> Yeah, I think so in a way... I'm definitely losing some high
>> end, but it sounds bigger - won't be able to tell for sure
>> until I a/b them, but those are my initital impressions. To me
>> it sounds much like what you'd get if you stemmed out four or
>> five stereo submixes in SX, then re-imported them into a new
>> project & summed it to your final 2-track mix from there.
>> Again, not certain how close the comparison is, but tomorrow
>> I'm going to run a totally ITB Native 2-buss mix, a stemmed
>> Native mix, and a "summed in Paris" mix & post some clips so you
>> guys can compare for yourselves.
>>
>> Neil
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| Re: Got the Paris stuff from John... [message #75877 is a reply to message #75873] |
Sun, 12 November 2006 11:50 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>Hey Jeff...
>
>No, I don't have a spare one laying around anymore - the one I
>did have was cannibalized to build the Paris PC. I don't know
>if I really want to a third one to the mix - I'm trying to
>figure out how to configure this additional stuff now
>(**physically** configure, I mean - not configuring connections,
>etc.), so I don't know if I'd even have a good place to put
>another PC; although you're right, that could be an inexpensive
>way to go about it - I could pick up a cheapie e-machines brand
>or equivalent for in the slightly over $300 range.
>
>That'll definitely be something to consider if I end up going
>through dual-ASIO-driver hell on the main PC.
There are ways to remotely access the other system through software and
a network connection, the KMV may not be necessary.
James
>
>Neil
>
>
>Jeff hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>>Neil,
>>
>>Kind of a neophyte on all this stuff, but what about picking up a low
>>end pc just for multiface control(or you may have one in your back
>>room). Still just starting with the multiface thing myself, but I doubt
>
>>it takes any power to run Totalmix, and that would get around the
>>"confguration lost when power's off" if you run the multifaces
>>standlone. The multifaces would be relegated to basically just A/D
>>converters, but it sounds like that's what you want. Just use a KVM
>>switch (cheap one) to get to the piece occasionally if there is issues.
>>
>>Just a thought
>>
>>
>>Jeff
>>
>>Neil wrote:
>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hey Neil,
>>>>
>>>>Feel free to give me a call if you hit any snags with the Pulsar.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the offer, Deej - I may do that... it's not
>>> scheduled to get here until late next week, actually, so it
>>> won't be right away that I need to take you up on it if I have
>>> problems.
>>>
>>>
>>>>I've been test driving mine some more today and I'm still
>>>>liking it a lot.
>>>
>>>
>>> What? You havent shitcanned it yet? (oh, no wait, that's
>>> tomorrow - Sunday) :D j/k!
>>>
>>> BTW I decided to get the Professional card (instead of the
>>> Project card) for more DSP, and I passed on the convertors
>>> (their A16ultra box), since I didn't want to dump too much
>>> money into this experiment if it didn't work out. In talking to
>>> Gary, he wasn't sure if I'd be able to sum as many channels as
>>> I'm running, plus a couple of 'verbs, plus a few channels of
>>> dynamics at 88.2k/24-bit with the Project card. Then I got a
>>> lecture about using 88.2k in the first place... you know - the
>>> whole "you can't hear it once you convert to 44.1 for CD's
>>> anyway, and then you also get aliasing when you do, and in the
>>> meanwhile you're using too many DSP & CPU resources" - blah,
>>> blah, blah, yada, yada, yada... tell it to Rupert Neve & Geoff
>>> Emerick (you know, the story Rupert tells about Geoff noticing
>>> a "bad" channel in one of his consoles that they had just
>>> installed... what was "bad" about it was a defective cap that
>>> was oscillating at 30k).
>>>
>>> Anyway, I believe I can hear a difference with those higher
>>> sample rates - whether I'm fooling myself or not is, I suppose,
>>> a point of argument.
>>>
>>> Now, the other thing I'll need to figure out with the Pulsar
>>> card is the whole i/o deal... if I'm going to keep the RME
>>> convertors & use them instead of getting an A16Ultra, then I've
>>> got two issues at hand:
>>> 1.) If I'm going to use the Pulsar card in the input chain,
>>> then I'm going to be limited to ten tracks max on input at my
>>> 88.2k sample rate (I got the "Plus" i/o option so I could have
>>> balanced ins & outs, which gives you two analog ins, two
>>> ADAT/Optical in's - which are good for 4 channels each at that
>>> sample rate - and 2 AES in's, but I don't have anything with
>>> AES outs except for my Mucusrite ISA 428 with the digicard
>>> option - and I don't know if you can use the AES & lightpipe
>>> outs at the same time... anyway, maybe I'll be able to get 12
>>> channels of input out of the system; ten for sure. We'll see.
>>> In any event, that's a step back from my current 16 analog ins
>>> (with my two Multifaces) plus 4 channels of digilight (using
>>> the ISA card). Not a problem for most of the stuff I do, but
>>> getting another full RAWK band in here, 10 or 12 in's might not
>>> be enough for basic trax.
>>>
>>> 2.) The second issue I'll be dealing with by keeping the RME
>>> convertors can be summed up in this simple phrase:
>>> TWO ASIO DRIVERS... need I say more?
>>> Well, we'll see how that goes, as well... maybe I can still use
>>> the Multifaces & their own drivers for tracking, enabling me to
>>> have all the inputs I need & not worry about interfacing the
>>> Multifaces with the Pulsar card, and then release those drivers
>>> for mixdown & incorporate the Pulsar Card at that point.... not
>>> sure how well that'll work, but I guess I'm gonna try it.
>>>
>>> In any event, I've just been messing with the Paris summing
>>> thing right now. Got Paris up & running first time &
>>> everything's working fine... had some routing problems with my
>>> RME's, though... for some odd reason I no longer have Output
>>> #4! Switched the two Multifaces around, swapped out PCI cards &
>>> even PCI slots, still nothing... it's showing up as "active"
>>> and "visible" in the 'Device Setup' menu, too; but no matter
>>> what configuration I try, I just simply do not have Analog Out
>>> #4 any more... weird. I don't know when this might have
>>> happened, because I haven't needed to use that before.
>>>
>>> If anyone can give me a hint as to what I might try, I'd
>>> appreciate it!
>>>
>>> In any event, I'm using 4 sets of stereo analog outs, going
>>> into the Paris 8-in module, and monitoring off the MEC... what
>>> do I think so far? Well, there's definitely a difference vs.
>>> mixing ITB on a 2-buss Native mix, as I suspected there would
>>> be. Does it sound better than a straight 2-buss Native mix?
>>> Yeah, I think so in a way... I'm definitely losing some high
>>> end, but it sounds bigger - won't be able to tell for sure
>>> until I a/b them, but those are my initital impressions. To me
>>> it sounds much like what you'd get if you stemmed out four or
>>> five stereo submixes in SX, then re-imported them into a new
>>> project & summed it to your final 2-track mix from there.
>>> Again, not certain how close the comparison is, but tomorrow
>>> I'm going to run a totally ITB Native 2-buss mix, a stemmed
>>> Native mix, and a "summed in Paris" mix & post some clips so you
>>> guys can compare for yourselves.
>>>
>>> Neil
>
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James,
Tell us what you know?!!!
Tom
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:45576cdc$1@linux...
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>Hey Jeff...
>
>No, I don't have a spare one laying around anymore - the one I
>did have was cannibalized to build the Paris PC. I don't know
>if I really want to a third one to the mix - I'm trying to
>figure out how to configure this additional stuff now
>(**physically** configure, I mean - not configuring connections,
>etc.), so I don't know if I'd even have a good place to put
>another PC; although you're right, that could be an inexpensive
>way to go about it - I could pick up a cheapie e-machines brand
>or equivalent for in the slightly over $300 range.
>
>That'll definitely be something to consider if I end up going
>through dual-ASIO-driver hell on the main PC.
There are ways to remotely access the other system through software =
and
a network connection, the KMV may not be necessary.
James
>
>Neil
>
>
>Jeff hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>>Neil,
>>
>>Kind of a neophyte on all this stuff, but what about picking up a =
low=20
>>end pc just for multiface control(or you may have one in your back=20
>>room). Still just starting with the multiface thing myself, but I =
doubt
>
>>it takes any power to run Totalmix, and that would get around the=20
>>"confguration lost when power's off" if you run the multifaces=20
>>standlone. The multifaces would be relegated to basically just A/D=20
>>converters, but it sounds like that's what you want. Just use a KVM =
>>switch (cheap one) to get to the piece occasionally if there is =
issues.
>>
>>Just a thought
>>
>>
>>Jeff
>>
>>Neil wrote:
>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>>=20
>>>>Hey Neil,
>>>>
>>>>Feel free to give me a call if you hit any snags with the Pulsar.=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Thanks for the offer, Deej - I may do that... it's not
>>> scheduled to get here until late next week, actually, so it
>>> won't be right away that I need to take you up on it if I have
>>> problems.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>>I've been test driving mine some more today and I'm still
>>>>liking it a lot.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> What? You havent shitcanned it yet? (oh, no wait, that's
>>> tomorrow - Sunday) :D j/k!
>>>=20
>>> BTW I decided to get the Professional card (instead of the
>>> Project card) for more DSP, and I passed on the convertors
>>> (their A16ultra box), since I didn't want to dump too much
>>> money into this experiment if it didn't work out. In talking to
>>> Gary, he wasn't sure if I'd be able to sum as many channels as
>>> I'm running, plus a couple of 'verbs, plus a few channels of
>>> dynamics at 88.2k/24-bit with the Project card. Then I got a
>>> lecture about using 88.2k in the first place... you know - the
>>> whole "you can't hear it once you convert to 44.1 for CD's
>>> anyway, and then you also get aliasing when you do, and in the
>>> meanwhile you're using too many DSP & CPU resources" - blah,
>>> blah, blah, yada, yada, yada... tell it to Rupert Neve & Geoff
>>> Emerick (you know, the story Rupert tells about Geoff noticing
>>> a "bad" channel in one of his consoles that they had just
>>> installed... what was "bad" about it was a defective cap that
>>> was oscillating at 30k).
>>>=20
>>> Anyway, I believe I can hear a difference with those higher
>>> sample rates - whether I'm fooling myself or not is, I suppose,
>>> a point of argument.
>>>=20
>>> Now, the other thing I'll need to figure out with the Pulsar
>>> card is the whole i/o deal... if I'm going to keep the RME
>>> convertors & use them instead of getting an A16Ultra, then I've
>>> got two issues at hand:
>>> 1.) If I'm going to use the Pulsar card in the input chain,
>>> then I'm going to be limited to ten tracks max on input at my
>>> 88.2k sample rate (I got the "Plus" i/o option so I could have
>>> balanced ins & outs, which gives you two analog ins, two
>>> ADAT/Optical in's - which are good for 4 channels each at that
>>> sample rate - and 2 AES in's, but I don't have anything with
>>> AES outs except for my Mucusrite ISA 428 with the digicard=20
>>> option - and I don't know if you can use the AES & lightpipe
>>> outs at the same time... anyway, maybe I'll be able to get 12
>>> channels of input out of the system; ten for sure. We'll see.
>>> In any event, that's a step back from my current 16 analog ins
>>> (with my two Multifaces) plus 4 channels of digilight (using
>>> the ISA card). Not a problem for most of the stuff I do, but
>>> getting another full RAWK band in here, 10 or 12 in's might not
>>> be enough for basic trax.
>>>=20
>>> 2.) The second issue I'll be dealing with by keeping the RME
>>> convertors can be summed up in this simple phrase:
>>> TWO ASIO DRIVERS... need I say more?
>>> Well, we'll see how that goes, as well... maybe I can still use
>>> the Multifaces & their own drivers for tracking, enabling me to
>>> have all the inputs I need & not worry about interfacing the
>>> Multifaces with the Pulsar card, and then release those drivers
>>> for mixdown & incorporate the Pulsar Card at that point.... not
>>> sure how well that'll work, but I guess I'm gonna try it.
>>>=20
>>> In any event, I've just been messing with the Paris summing
>>> thing right now. Got Paris up & running first time &
>>> everything's working fine... had some routing problems with my
>>> RME's, though... for some odd reason I no longer have Output
>>> #4! Switched the two Multifaces around, swapped out PCI cards &
>>> even PCI slots, still nothing... it's showing up as "active"
>>> and "visible" in the 'Device Setup' menu, too; but no matter
>>> what configuration I try, I just simply do not have Analog Out
>>> #4 any more... weird. I don't know when this might have
>>> happened, because I haven't needed to use that before.
>>>=20
>>> If anyone can give me a hint as to what I might try, I'd
>>> appreciate it!
>>>=20
>>> In any event, I'm using 4 sets of stereo analog outs, going
>>> into the Paris 8-in module, and monitoring off the MEC... what
>>> do I think so far? Well, there's definitely a difference vs.
>>> mixing ITB on a 2-buss Native mix, as I suspected there would
>>> be. Does it sound better than a straight 2-buss Native mix?
>>> Yeah, I think so in a way... I'm definitely losing some high
>>> end, but it sounds bigger - won't be able to tell for sure
>>> until I a/b them, but those are my initital impressions. To me
>>> it sounds much like what you'd get if you stemmed out four or
>>> five stereo submixes in SX, then re-imported them into a new
>>> project & summed it to your final 2-track mix from there.
>>> Again, not certain how close the comparison is, but tomorrow
>>> I'm going to run a totally ITB Native 2-buss mix, a stemmed
>>> Native mix, and a "summed in Paris" mix & post some clips so you
>>> guys can compare for yourselves.
>>>=20
>>> Neil
>
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spare one=20
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build=20
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ways to remotely access the other system through software =
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=
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hoover <<A =
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basically=20
just A/D <BR>>>converters, but it sounds like that's what you=20
want. Just use a KVM <BR>>>switch (cheap one) to get to =
the piece=20
occasionally if there is issues.<BR>>><BR>>>Just a=20
=
thought<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>Jeff <BR>>><BR>>>Ne=
il=20
wrote:<BR>>>> "DJ" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:nowayjose@dude.net">nowayjose@dude.net</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>> <BR>>>>>Hey=20
Neil,<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>Feel free to give me a =
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<BR>>>> Thanks for the offer, Deej - I may do that... it's=20
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<BR>>>>>I've been test driving mine some more today and =
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excelav
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Hey Tom! I don't know Jack; ) There is supposed to be a way in XP and OSX
to log on to another system over a network and toggle between them. Supposedly,
there is no need for a KMV switch.
When I get time, I'll look in to this. Right now I'm going out of town
for a week, so if you find out, let me know.
James
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>James,
>Tell us what you know?!!!
>Tom
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
>news:45576cdc$1@linux...
>
> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
> >
> >Hey Jeff...
> >
> >No, I don't have a spare one laying around anymore - the one I
> >did have was cannibalized to build the Paris PC. I don't know
> >if I really want to a third one to the mix - I'm trying to
> >figure out how to configure this additional stuff now
> >(**physically** configure, I mean - not configuring connections,
> >etc.), so I don't know if I'd even have a good place to put
> >another PC; although you're right, that could be an inexpensive
> >way to go about it - I could pick up a cheapie e-machines brand
> >or equivalent for in the slightly over $300 range.
> >
> >That'll definitely be something to consider if I end up going
> >through dual-ASIO-driver hell on the main PC.
>
> There are ways to remotely access the other system through software =
>and
> a network connection, the KMV may not be necessary.
>
> James
>
> >
> >Neil
> >
> >
> >Jeff hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
> >>Neil,
> >>
> >>Kind of a neophyte on all this stuff, but what about picking up a =
>low=20
> >>end pc just for multiface control(or you may have one in your back=20
> >>room). Still just starting with the multiface thing myself, but I =
>doubt
> >
> >>it takes any power to run Totalmix, and that would get around the=20
> >>"confguration lost when power's off" if you run the multifaces=20
> >>standlone. The multifaces would be relegated to basically just A/D=20
> >>converters, but it sounds like that's what you want. Just use a KVM
=
>
> >>switch (cheap one) to get to the piece occasionally if there is =
>issues.
> >>
> >>Just a thought
> >>
> >>
> >>Jeff
> >>
> >>Neil wrote:
> >>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
> >>>=20
> >>>>Hey Neil,
> >>>>
> >>>>Feel free to give me a call if you hit any snags with the Pulsar.=20
> >>>=20
> >>>=20
> >>> Thanks for the offer, Deej - I may do that... it's not
> >>> scheduled to get here until late next week, actually, so it
> >>> won't be right away that I need to take you up on it if I have
> >>> problems.
> >>>=20
> >>>=20
> >>>>I've been test driving mine some more today and I'm still
> >>>>liking it a lot.
> >>>=20
> >>>=20
> >>> What? You havent shitcanned it yet? (oh, no wait, that's
> >>> tomorrow - Sunday) :D j/k!
> >>>=20
> >>> BTW I decided to get the Professional card (instead of the
> >>> Project card) for more DSP, and I passed on the convertors
> >>> (their A16ultra box), since I didn't want to dump too much
> >>> money into this experiment if it didn't work out. In talking to
> >>> Gary, he wasn't sure if I'd be able to sum as many channels as
> >>> I'm running, plus a couple of 'verbs, plus a few channels of
> >>> dynamics at 88.2k/24-bit with the Project card. Then I got a
> >>> lecture about using 88.2k in the first place... you know - the
> >>> whole "you can't hear it once you convert to 44.1 for CD's
> >>> anyway, and then you also get aliasing when you do, and in the
> >>> meanwhile you're using too many DSP & CPU resources" - blah,
> >>> blah, blah, yada, yada, yada... tell it to Rupert Neve & Geoff
> >>> Emerick (you know, the story Rupert tells about Geoff noticing
> >>> a "bad" channel in one of his consoles that they had just
> >>> installed... what was "bad" about it was a defective cap that
> >>> was oscillating at 30k).
> >>>=20
> >>> Anyway, I believe I can hear a difference with those higher
> >>> sample rates - whether I'm fooling myself or not is, I suppose,
> >>> a point of argument.
> >>>=20
> >>> Now, the other thing I'll need to figure out with the Pulsar
> >>> card is the whole i/o deal... if I'm going to keep the RME
> >>> convertors & use them instead of getting an A16Ultra, then I've
> >>> got two issues at hand:
> >>> 1.) If I'm going to use the Pulsar card in the input chain,
> >>> then I'm going to be limited to ten tracks max on input at my
> >>> 88.2k sample rate (I got the "Plus" i/o option so I could have
> >>> balanced ins & outs, which gives you two analog ins, two
> >>> ADAT/Optical in's - which are good for 4 channels each at that
> >>> sample rate - and 2 AES in's, but I don't have anything with
> >>> AES outs except for my Mucusrite ISA 428 with the digicard=20
> >>> option - and I don't know if you can use the AES & lightpipe
> >>> outs at the same time... anyway, maybe I'll be able to get 12
> >>> channels of input out of the system; ten for sure. We'll see.
> >>> In any event, that's a step back from my current 16 analog ins
> >>> (with my two Multifaces) plus 4 channels of digilight (using
> >>> the ISA card). Not a problem for most of the stuff I do, but
> >>> getting another full RAWK band in here, 10 or 12 in's might not
> >>> be enough for basic trax.
> >>>=20
> >>> 2.) The second issue I'll be dealing with by keeping the RME
> >>> convertors can be summed up in this simple phrase:
> >>> TWO ASIO DRIVERS... need I say more?
> >>> Well, we'll see how that goes, as well... maybe I can still use
> >>> the Multifaces & their own drivers for tracking, enabling me to
> >>> have all the inputs I need & not worry about interfacing the
> >>> Multifaces with the Pulsar card, and then release those drivers
> >>> for mixdown & incorporate the Pulsar Card at that point.... not
> >>> sure how well that'll work, but I guess I'm gonna try it.
> >>>=20
> >>> In any event, I've just been messing with the Paris summing
> >>> thing right now. Got Paris up & running first time &
> >>> everything's working fine... had some routing problems with my
> >>> RME's, though... for some odd reason I no longer have Output
> >>> #4! Switched the two Multifaces around, swapped out PCI cards &
> >>> even PCI slots, still nothing... it's showing up as "active"
> >>> and "visible" in the 'Device Setup' menu, too; but no matter
> >>> what configuration I try, I just simply do not have Analog Out
> >>> #4 any more... weird. I don't know when this might have
> >>> happened, because I haven't needed to use that before.
> >>>=20
> >>> If anyone can give me a hint as to what I might try, I'd
> >>> appreciate it!
> >>>=20
> >>> In any event, I'm using 4 sets of stereo analog outs, going
> >>> into the Paris 8-in module, and monitoring off the MEC... what
> >>> do I think so far? Well, there's definitely a difference vs.
> >>> mixing ITB on a 2-buss Native mix, as I suspected there would
> >>> be. Does it sound better than a straight 2-buss Native mix?
> >>> Yeah, I think so in a way... I'm definitely losing some high
> >>> end, but it sounds bigger - won't be able to tell for sure
> >>> until I a/b them, but those are my initital impressions. To me
> >>> it sounds much like what you'd get if you stemmed out four or
> >>> five stereo submixes in SX, then re-imported them into a new
> >>> project & summed it to your final 2-track mix from there.
> >>> Again, not certain how close the comparison is, but tomorrow
> >>> I'm going to run a totally ITB Native 2-buss mix, a stemmed
> >>> Native mix, and a "summed in Paris" mix & post some clips so you
> >>> guys can compare for yourselves.
> >>>=20
> >>> Neil
> >
>
>
>
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tell us what you know?!!!</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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> <DIV>"James McCloskey" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:excelsm@hotmail.com">excelsm@hotmail.com</A>> wrote =
>in message=20
> <A =
>href=3D"news:45576cdc$1@linux">news:45576cdc$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>"Nei=
>l"=20
> <<A href=3D"mailto:OIUOIU@OIU.com">OIUOIU@OIU.com</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>><BR>>Hey Jeff...<BR>><BR>>No, I don't have a =
>spare one=20
> laying around anymore - the one I<BR>>did have was cannibalized to =
>build=20
> the Paris PC. I don't know<BR>>if I really want to a third one to =
>the mix -=20
> I'm trying to<BR>>figure out how to configure this additional stuff =
>
> now<BR>>(**physically** configure, I mean - not configuring=20
> connections,<BR>>etc.), so I don't know if I'd even have a good =
>place to=20
> put<BR>>another PC; although you're right, that could be an=20
> inexpensive<BR>>way to go about it - I could pick up a cheapie =
>e-machines=20
> brand<BR>>or equivalent for in the slightly over $300=20
> range.<BR>><BR>>That'll definitely be something to consider if I =
>end up=20
> going<BR>>through dual-ASIO-driver hell on the main =
>PC.<BR><BR>There are=20
> ways to remotely access the other system through software =
>and<BR>a=20
> network connection, the KMV may not be=20
> =
>necessary.<BR><BR>James<BR><BR>><BR>>Neil<BR>><BR> ><BR>>Je=
>ff=20
> hoover <<A =
>href=3D"mailto:jkhoover@excite.com">jkhoover@excite.com</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>>>Neil,<BR>>><BR>>>Kind of a neophyte on =
>all this=20
> stuff, but what about picking up a low <BR>>>end pc just for =
>multiface=20
> control(or you may have one in your back <BR>>>room). =
>Still just=20
> starting with the multiface thing myself, but I =
>doubt<BR>><BR>>>it=20
> takes any power to run Totalmix, and that would get around the=20
> <BR>>>"confguration lost when power's off" if you run the =
>multifaces=20
> <BR>>>standlone. The multifaces would be relegated to =
>basically=20
> just A/D <BR>>>converters, but it sounds like that's what you=20
> want. Just use a KVM <BR>>>switch (cheap one) to get to =
>the piece=20
> occasionally if there is issues.<BR>>><BR>>>Just a=20
> =
>thought<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>Jeff<BR>>><BR>>>Ne=
>il=20
> wrote:<BR>>>> "DJ" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:nowayjose@dude.net">nowayjose@dude.net</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>>>> <BR>>>>>Hey=20
> Neil,<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>Feel free to give me a =
>call if=20
> you hit any snags with the Pulsar. <BR>>>> <BR>>>>=20
> <BR>>>> Thanks for the offer, Deej - I may do that... it's=20
> not<BR>>>> scheduled to get here until late next week, =
>actually, so=20
> it<BR>>>> won't be right away that I need to take you up on =
>it if I=20
> have<BR>>>> problems.<BR>>>> <BR>>>>=20
> <BR>>>>>I've been test driving mine some more today and =
>I'm=20
> still<BR>>>>>liking it a lot.<BR>>>> =
><BR>>>>=20
> <BR>>>> What? You havent shitcanned it yet? (oh, no wait,=20
> that's<BR>>>> tomorrow - Sunday) :D =20
> j/k!<BR>>>> <BR>>>> BTW I decided to get the =
>Professional=20
> card (instead of the<BR>>>> Project card) for more DSP, and I =
>passed=20
> on the convertors<BR>>>> (their A16ultra box), since I didn't =
>want to=20
> dump too much<BR>>>> money into this experiment if it didn't =
>work=20
> out. In talking to<BR>>>> Gary, he wasn't sure if I'd be able =
>to sum=20
> as many channels as<BR>>>> I'm running, plus a couple of =
>'verbs, plus=20
> a few channels of<BR>>>> dynamics at 88.2k/24-bit with the =
>Project=20
> card. Then I got a<BR>>>> lecture about using 88.2k in the =
>first=20
> place... you know - the<BR>>>> whole "you can't hear it once =
>you=20
> convert to 44.1 for CD's<BR>>>> anyway, and then you also get =
>
> aliasing when you do, and in the<BR>>>> meanwhile you're =
>using too=20
> many DSP & CPU resources" - blah,<BR>>>> blah, blah, =
>yada, yada,=20
> yada... tell it to Rupert Neve & Geoff<BR>>>> Emerick =
>(you know,=20
> the story Rupert tells about Geoff noticing<BR>>>> a "bad" =
>channel in=20
> one of his consoles that they had just<BR>>>> installed... =
>what was=20
> "bad" about it was a defective cap that<BR>>>> was =
>oscillating at=20
> 30k).<BR>>>> <BR>>>> Anyway, I believe I can hear a=20
> difference with those higher<BR>>>> sample rates - whether =
>I'm=20
> fooling myself or not is, I suppose,<BR>>>> a point of=20
> argument.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> Now, the other thing I'll =
>need to=20
> figure out with the Pulsar<BR>>>> card is the whole i/o =
>deal... if=20
> I'm going to keep the RME<BR>>>> convertors & use them =
>instead of=20
> getting an A16Ultra, then I've<BR>>>> got two issues at=20
> hand:<BR>>>> 1.) If I'm going to use the Pulsar card in the =
>input=20
> chain,<BR>>>> then I'm going to be limited to ten tracks max =
>on input=20
> at my<BR>>>> 88.2k sample rate (I got the "Plus" i/o option =
>so I=20
> could have<BR>>>> balanced ins & outs, which gives you =
>two analog=20
> ins, two<BR>>>> ADAT/Optical in's - which are good for 4 =
>channels=20
> each at that<BR>>>> sample rate - and 2 AES in's, but I don't =
>have=20
> anything with<BR>>>> AES outs except for my Mucusrite ISA 428 =
>with=20
> the digicard <BR>>>> option - and I don't know if you can use =
>the AES=20
> & lightpipe<BR>>>> outs at the same time... anyway, maybe =
>I'll be=20
> able to get 12<BR>>>> channels of input out of the system; =
>ten for=20
> sure. We'll see.<BR>>>> In any event, that's a step back from =
>my=20
> current 16 analog ins<BR>>>> (with my two Multifaces) plus 4 =
>channels=20
> of digilight (using<BR>>>> the ISA card). Not a problem for =
>most of=20
> the stuff I do, but<BR>>>> getting another full RAWK band in =
>here, 10=20
> or 12 in's might not<BR>>>> be enough for basic =
>trax.<BR>>>>=20
> <BR>>>> 2.) The second issue I'll be dealing with by keeping =
>the=20
> RME<BR>>>> convertors can be summed up in this simple=20
> phrase:<BR>>>> TWO ASIO DRIVERS... need I say =
>more?<BR>>>>=20
> Well, we'll see how that goes, as well... maybe I can still=20
> use<BR>>>> the Multifaces & their own drivers for =
>tracking,=20
> enabling me to<BR>>>> have all the inputs I need & not =
>worry=20
> about interfacing the<BR>>>> Multifaces with the Pulsar card, =
>and=20
> then release those drivers<BR>>>> for mixdown & =
>incorporate the=20
> Pulsar Card at that point.... not<BR>>>> sure how well =
>that'll work,=20
> but I guess I'm gonna try it.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> In any =
>event,=20
> I've just been messing with the Paris summing<BR>>>> thing =
>right now.=20
> Got Paris up & running first time &<BR>>>> =
>everything's=20
> working fine... had some routing problems with my<BR>>>> =
>RME's,=20
> though... for some odd reason I no longer have Output<BR>>>> =
>#4!=20
> Switched the two Multifaces around, swapped out PCI cards=20
> &<BR>>>> even PCI slots, still nothing... it's showing up =
>as=20
> "active"<BR>>>> and "visible" in the 'Device Setup' menu, =
>too; but no=20
> matter<BR>>>> what configuration I try, I just simply do not =
>have=20
> Analog Out<BR>>>> #4 any more... weird. I don't know when =
>this might=20
> have<BR>>>> happened, because I haven't needed to use that=20
> before.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> If anyone can give me a hint =
>as to=20
> what I might try, I'd<BR>>>> appreciate it!<BR>>>>=20
> <BR>>>> In any event, I'm using 4 sets of stereo analog outs, =
>
> going<BR>>>> into the Paris 8-in module, and monitoring off =
>the=20
> MEC... what<BR>>>> do I think so far? Well, there's =
>definitely a=20
> difference vs.<BR>>>> mixing ITB on a 2-buss Native mix, as I =
>
> suspected there would<BR>>>> be. Does it sound better than a =
>straight=20
> 2-buss Native mix?<BR>>>> Yeah, I think so in a way... I'm =
>definitely=20
> losing some high<BR>>>> end, but it sounds bigger - won't be =
>able to=20
> tell for sure<BR>>>> until I a/b them, but those are my =
>initital=20
> impressions. To me<BR>>>> it sounds much like what you'd get =
>if you=20
> stemmed out four or<BR>>>> five stereo submixes in SX, then=20
> re-imported them into a new<BR>>>> project & summed it to =
>your=20
> final 2-track mix from there.<BR>>>> Again, not certain how =
>close the=20
> comparison is, but tomorrow<BR>>>> I'm going to run a totally =
>ITB=20
> Native 2-buss mix, a stemmed<BR>>>> Native mix, and a "summed =
>in=20
> Paris" mix & post some clips so you<BR>>>> guys can =
>compare for=20
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>Neil<BR>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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| Re: Got the Paris stuff from John... [message #75893 is a reply to message #75888] |
Sun, 12 November 2006 18:09 |
JeffH
Messages: 307
Registered: October 2007
Location: Wamic, OR
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Tom (and James),
Two options (there are a lot more)
1 Remote desktop in XP pro
Xp pro includes this ability, it just has to be enabled. Xp home can
connect to an RDP enabled XP pro box, but doesn't easily sit awaiting a
connection (it can wait for a response to and "invitation" but I've
found that to be messy, and it's tough to send an invitiation from a
machine until you have control of it).
2 TightVNC
TIghtVNC is a GNU/GPL product. Install on two machines, setup the
server portion to autorun on the one that won't have keyboard, video,
and mouse, and connect to it from the other machine. I believe it works
on 95 (if you really want to!), 98, WIn2000, and XP (all versions).
I didn't suggest this because of the annoyance if for some reason the
software doesn't allow access. You have to go through the hassle of
hooking the keyboard video and mouse back up to deterine the issue.
With the KVM switch, most of them use a hotkey combination (i.e. ctrl
ctrl Enter)
Hope this helps.
JH
THere
James McCloskey wrote:
> Hey Tom! I don't know Jack; ) There is supposed to be a way in XP and OSX
> to log on to another system over a network and toggle between them. Supposedly,
> there is no need for a KMV switch.
>
> When I get time, I'll look in to this. Right now I'm going out of town
> for a week, so if you find out, let me know.
>
> James
>
>
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>James,
>>Tell us what you know?!!!
>>Tom
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
>>news:45576cdc$1@linux...
>>
>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >Hey Jeff...
>> >
>> >No, I don't have a spare one laying around anymore - the one I
>> >did have was cannibalized to build the Paris PC. I don't know
>> >if I really want to a third one to the mix - I'm trying to
>> >figure out how to configure this additional stuff now
>> >(**physically** configure, I mean - not configuring connections,
>> >etc.), so I don't know if I'd even have a good place to put
>> >another PC; although you're right, that could be an inexpensive
>> >way to go about it - I could pick up a cheapie e-machines brand
>> >or equivalent for in the slightly over $300 range.
>> >
>> >That'll definitely be something to consider if I end up going
>> >through dual-ASIO-driver hell on the main PC.
>>
>> There are ways to remotely access the other system through software =
>>and
>> a network connection, the KMV may not be necessary.
>>
>> James
>>
>> >
>> >Neil
>> >
>> >
>> >Jeff hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>> >>Neil,
>> >>
>> >>Kind of a neophyte on all this stuff, but what about picking up a =
>>low=20
>> >>end pc just for multiface control(or you may have one in your back=20
>> >>room). Still just starting with the multiface thing myself, but I =
>>doubt
>> >
>> >>it takes any power to run Totalmix, and that would get around the=20
>> >>"confguration lost when power's off" if you run the multifaces=20
>> >>standlone. The multifaces would be relegated to basically just A/D=20
>> >>converters, but it sounds like that's what you want. Just use a KVM
>
> =
>
>> >>switch (cheap one) to get to the piece occasionally if there is =
>>issues.
>> >>
>> >>Just a thought
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Jeff
>> >>
>> >>Neil wrote:
>> >>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>> >>>=20
>> >>>>Hey Neil,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Feel free to give me a call if you hit any snags with the Pulsar.=20
>> >>>=20
>> >>>=20
>> >>> Thanks for the offer, Deej - I may do that... it's not
>> >>> scheduled to get here until late next week, actually, so it
>> >>> won't be right away that I need to take you up on it if I have
>> >>> problems.
>> >>>=20
>> >>>=20
>> >>>>I've been test driving mine some more today and I'm still
>> >>>>liking it a lot.
>> >>>=20
>> >>>=20
>> >>> What? You havent shitcanned it yet? (oh, no wait, that's
>> >>> tomorrow - Sunday) :D j/k!
>> >>>=20
>> >>> BTW I decided to get the Professional card (instead of the
>> >>> Project card) for more DSP, and I passed on the convertors
>> >>> (their A16ultra box), since I didn't want to dump too much
>> >>> money into this experiment if it didn't work out. In talking to
>> >>> Gary, he wasn't sure if I'd be able to sum as many channels as
>> >>> I'm running, plus a couple of 'verbs, plus a few channels of
>> >>> dynamics at 88.2k/24-bit with the Project card. Then I got a
>> >>> lecture about using 88.2k in the first place... you know - the
>> >>> whole "you can't hear it once you convert to 44.1 for CD's
>> >>> anyway, and then you also get aliasing when you do, and in the
>> >>> meanwhile you're using too many DSP & CPU resources" - blah,
>> >>> blah, blah, yada, yada, yada... tell it to Rupert Neve & Geoff
>> >>> Emerick (you know, the story Rupert tells about Geoff noticing
>> >>> a "bad" channel in one of his consoles that they had just
>> >>> installed... what was "bad" about it was a defective cap that
>> >>> was oscillating at 30k).
>> >>>=20
>> >>> Anyway, I believe I can hear a difference with those higher
>> >>> sample rates - whether I'm fooling myself or not is, I suppose,
>> >>> a point of argument.
>> >>>=20
>> >>> Now, the other thing I'll need to figure out with the Pulsar
>> >>> card is the whole i/o deal... if I'm going to keep the RME
>> >>> convertors & use them instead of getting an A16Ultra, then I've
>> >>> got two issues at hand:
>> >>> 1.) If I'm going to use the Pulsar card in the input chain,
>> >>> then I'm going to be limited to ten tracks max on input at my
>> >>> 88.2k sample rate (I got the "Plus" i/o option so I could have
>> >>> balanced ins & outs, which gives you two analog ins, two
>> >>> ADAT/Optical in's - which are good for 4 channels each at that
>> >>> sample rate - and 2 AES in's, but I don't have anything with
>> >>> AES outs except for my Mucusrite ISA 428 with the digicard=20
>> >>> option - and I don't know if you can use the AES & lightpipe
>> >>> outs at the same time... anyway, maybe I'll be able to get 12
>> >>> channels of input out of the system; ten for sure. We'll see.
>> >>> In any event, that's a step back from my current 16 analog ins
>> >>> (with my two Multifaces) plus 4 channels of digilight (using
>> >>> the ISA card). Not a problem for most of the stuff I do, but
>> >>> getting another full RAWK band in here, 10 or 12 in's might not
>> >>> be enough for basic trax.
>> >>>=20
>> >>> 2.) The second issue I'll be dealing with by keeping the RME
>> >>> convertors can be summed up in this simple phrase:
>> >>> TWO ASIO DRIVERS... need I say more?
>> >>> Well, we'll see how that goes, as well... maybe I can still use
>> >>> the Multifaces & their own drivers for tracking, enabling me to
>> >>> have all the inputs I need & not worry about interfacing the
>> >>> Multifaces with the Pulsar card, and then release those drivers
>> >>> for mixdown & incorporate the Pulsar Card at that point.... not
>> >>> sure how well that'll work, but I guess I'm gonna try it.
>> >>>=20
>> >>> In any event, I've just been messing with the Paris summing
>> >>> thing right now. Got Paris up & running first time &
>> >>> everything's working fine... had some routing problems with my
>> >>> RME's, though... for some odd reason I no longer have Output
>> >>> #4! Switched the two Multifaces around, swapped out PCI cards &
>> >>> even PCI slots, still nothing... it's showing up as "active"
>> >>> and "visible" in the 'Device Setup' menu, too; but no matter
>> >>> what configuration I try, I just simply do not have Analog Out
>> >>> #4 any more... weird. I don't know when this might have
>> >>> happened, because I haven't needed to use that before.
>> >>>=20
>> >>> If anyone can give me a hint as to what I might try, I'd
>> >>> appreciate it!
>> >>>=20
>> >>> In any event, I'm using 4 sets of stereo analog outs, going
>> >>> into the Paris 8-in module, and monitoring off the MEC... what
>> >>> do I think so far? Well, there's definitely a difference vs.
>> >>> mixing ITB on a 2-buss Native mix, as I suspected there would
>> >>> be. Does it sound better than a straight 2-buss Native mix?
>> >>> Yeah, I think so in a way... I'm definitely losing some high
>> >>> end, but it sounds bigger - won't be able to tell for sure
>> >>> until I a/b them, but those are my initital impressions. To me
>> >>> it sounds much like what you'd get if you stemmed out four or
>> >>> five stereo submixes in SX, then re-imported them into a new
>> >>> project & summed it to your final 2-track mix from there.
>> >>> Again, not certain how close the comparison is, but tomorrow
>> >>> I'm going to run a totally ITB Native 2-buss mix, a stemmed
>> >>> Native mix, and a "summed in Paris" mix & post some clips so you
>> >>> guys can compare for yourselves.
>> >>>=20
>> >>> Neil
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
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>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tell us what you know?!!!</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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>> <DIV>"James McCloskey" <<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:excelsm@hotmail.com">excelsm@hotmail.com</A>> wrote =
>>in message=20
>> <A =
>>href=3D"news:45576cdc$1@linux">news:45576cdc$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>"Nei=
>>l"=20
>> <<A href=3D"mailto:OIUOIU@OIU.com">OIUOIU@OIU.com</A>>=20
>> wrote:<BR>><BR>>Hey Jeff...<BR>><BR>>No, I don't have a =
>>spare one=20
>> laying around anymore - the one I<BR>>did have was cannibalized to =
>>build=20
>> the Paris PC. I don't know<BR>>if I really want to a third one to =
>>the mix -=20
>> I'm trying to<BR>>figure out how to configure this additional stuff =
>>
>> now<BR>>(**physically** configure, I mean - not configuring=20
>> connections,<BR>>etc.), so I don't know if I'd even have a good =
>>place to=20
>> put<BR>>another PC; although you're right, that could be an=20
>> inexpensive<BR>>way to go about it - I could pick up a cheapie =
>>e-machines=20
>> brand<BR>>or equivalent for in the slightly over $300=20
>> range.<BR>><BR>>That'll definitely be something to consider if I =
>>end up=20
>> going<BR>>through dual-ASIO-driver hell on the main =
>>PC.<BR><BR>There are=20
>> ways to remotely access the other system through software =
>>and<BR>a=20
>> network connection, the KMV may not be=20
>> =
>>necessary.<BR><BR>James<BR><BR>><BR>>Neil<BR>><BR >><BR>>Je=
>>ff=20
>> hoover <<A =
>>href=3D"mailto:jkhoover@excite.com">jkhoover@excite.com</A>>=20
>> wrote:<BR>>>Neil,<BR>>><BR>>>Kind of a neophyte on =
>>all this=20
>> stuff, but what about picking up a low <BR>>>end pc just for =
>>multiface=20
>> control(or you may have one in your back <BR>>>room). =
>>Still just=20
>> starting with the multiface thing myself, but I =
>>doubt<BR>><BR>>>it=20
>> takes any power to run Totalmix, and that would get around the=20
>> <BR>>>"confguration lost when power's off" if you run the =
>>multifaces=20
>> <BR>>>standlone. The multifaces would be relegated to =
>>basically=20
>> just A/D <BR>>>converters, but it sounds like that's what you=20
>> want. Just use a KVM <BR>>>switch (cheap one) to get to =
>>the piece=20
>> occasionally if there is issues.<BR>>><BR>>>Just a=20
>> =
>>thought<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>Jeff<BR>>><BR>>>Ne=
>>il=20
>> wrote:<BR>>>> "DJ" <<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:nowayjose@dude.net">nowayjose@dude.net</A>>=20
>> wrote:<BR>>>> <BR>>>>>Hey=20
>> Neil,<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>Feel free to give me a =
>>call if=20
>> you hit any snags with the Pulsar. <BR>>>> <BR>>>>=20
>> <BR>>>> Thanks for the offer, Deej - I may do that... it's=20
>> not<BR>>>> scheduled to get here until late next week, =
>>actually, so=20
>> it<BR>>>> won't be right away that I need to take you up on =
>>it if I=20
>> have<BR>>>> problems.<BR>>>> <BR>>>>=20
>> <BR>>>>>I've been test driving mine some more today and =
>>I'm=20
>> still<BR>>>>>liking it a lot.<BR>>>> =
>><BR>>>>=20
>> <BR>>>> What? You havent shitcanned it yet? (oh, no wait,=20
>> that's<BR>>>> tomorrow - Sunday) :D =20
>> j/k!<BR>>>> <BR>>>> BTW I decided to get the =
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| Re: Got the Paris stuff from John... [message #75934 is a reply to message #75882] |
Mon, 13 November 2006 08:26 |
duncan
Messages: 123
Registered: November 2006
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For running networked computers and multiple displays with a single
mouse/keyboard combo there's a cute little app called "Synergy" --
shareware, I think... Been using if for a couple years now, no grief.
-- it was a Brian T pick, so you know it's "geek certified."
chas.
On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 17:10:35 -0500, "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net>
wrote:
>James,
>Tell us what you know?!!!
>Tom
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:45576cdc$1@linux...
>
> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
> >
> >Hey Jeff...
> >
> >No, I don't have a spare one laying around anymore - the one I
> >did have was cannibalized to build the Paris PC. I don't know
> >if I really want to a third one to the mix - I'm trying to
> >figure out how to configure this additional stuff now
> >(**physically** configure, I mean - not configuring connections,
> >etc.), so I don't know if I'd even have a good place to put
> >another PC; although you're right, that could be an inexpensive
> >way to go about it - I could pick up a cheapie e-machines brand
> >or equivalent for in the slightly over $300 range.
> >
> >That'll definitely be something to consider if I end up going
> >through dual-ASIO-driver hell on the main PC.
>
> There are ways to remotely access the other system through software and
> a network connection, the KMV may not be necessary.
>
> James
>
> >
> >Neil
> >
> >
> >Jeff hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
> >>Neil,
> >>
> >>Kind of a neophyte on all this stuff, but what about picking up a low
> >>end pc just for multiface control(or you may have one in your back
> >>room). Still just starting with the multiface thing myself, but I doubt
> >
> >>it takes any power to run Totalmix, and that would get around the
> >>"confguration lost when power's off" if you run the multifaces
> >>standlone. The multifaces would be relegated to basically just A/D
> >>converters, but it sounds like that's what you want. Just use a KVM
> >>switch (cheap one) to get to the piece occasionally if there is issues.
> >>
> >>Just a thought
> >>
> >>
> >>Jeff
> >>
> >>Neil wrote:
> >>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Hey Neil,
> >>>>
> >>>>Feel free to give me a call if you hit any snags with the Pulsar.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for the offer, Deej - I may do that... it's not
> >>> scheduled to get here until late next week, actually, so it
> >>> won't be right away that I need to take you up on it if I have
> >>> problems.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I've been test driving mine some more today and I'm still
> >>>>liking it a lot.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> What? You havent shitcanned it yet? (oh, no wait, that's
> >>> tomorrow - Sunday) :D j/k!
> >>>
> >>> BTW I decided to get the Professional card (instead of the
> >>> Project card) for more DSP, and I passed on the convertors
> >>> (their A16ultra box), since I didn't want to dump too much
> >>> money into this experiment if it didn't work out. In talking to
> >>> Gary, he wasn't sure if I'd be able to sum as many channels as
> >>> I'm running, plus a couple of 'verbs, plus a few channels of
> >>> dynamics at 88.2k/24-bit with the Project card. Then I got a
> >>> lecture about using 88.2k in the first place... you know - the
> >>> whole "you can't hear it once you convert to 44.1 for CD's
> >>> anyway, and then you also get aliasing when you do, and in the
> >>> meanwhile you're using too many DSP & CPU resources" - blah,
> >>> blah, blah, yada, yada, yada... tell it to Rupert Neve & Geoff
> >>> Emerick (you know, the story Rupert tells about Geoff noticing
> >>> a "bad" channel in one of his consoles that they had just
> >>> installed... what was "bad" about it was a defective cap that
> >>> was oscillating at 30k).
> >>>
> >>> Anyway, I believe I can hear a difference with those higher
> >>> sample rates - whether I'm fooling myself or not is, I suppose,
> >>> a point of argument.
> >>>
> >>> Now, the other thing I'll need to figure out with the Pulsar
> >>> card is the whole i/o deal... if I'm going to keep the RME
> >>> convertors & use them instead of getting an A16Ultra, then I've
> >>> got two issues at hand:
> >>> 1.) If I'm going to use the Pulsar card in the input chain,
> >>> then I'm going to be limited to ten tracks max on input at my
> >>> 88.2k sample rate (I got the "Plus" i/o option so I could have
> >>> balanced ins & outs, which gives you two analog ins, two
> >>> ADAT/Optical in's - which are good for 4 channels each at that
> >>> sample rate - and 2 AES in's, but I don't have anything with
> >>> AES outs except for my Mucusrite ISA 428 with the digicard
> >>> option - and I don't know if you can use the AES & lightpipe
> >>> outs at the same time... anyway, maybe I'll be able to get 12
> >>> channels of input out of the system; ten for sure. We'll see.
> >>> In any event, that's a step back from my current 16 analog ins
> >>> (with my two Multifaces) plus 4 channels of digilight (using
> >>> the ISA card). Not a problem for most of the stuff I do, but
> >>> getting another full RAWK band in here, 10 or 12 in's might not
> >>> be enough for basic trax.
> >>>
> >>> 2.) The second issue I'll be dealing with by keeping the RME
> >>> convertors can be summed up in this simple phrase:
> >>> TWO ASIO DRIVERS... need I say more?
> >>> Well, we'll see how that goes, as well... maybe I can still use
> >>> the Multifaces & their own drivers for tracking, enabling me to
> >>> have all the inputs I need & not worry about interfacing the
> >>> Multifaces with the Pulsar card, and then release those drivers
> >>> for mixdown & incorporate the Pulsar Card at that point.... not
> >>> sure how well that'll work, but I guess I'm gonna try it.
> >>>
> >>> In any event, I've just been messing with the Paris summing
> >>> thing right now. Got Paris up & running first time &
> >>> everything's working fine... had some routing problems with my
> >>> RME's, though... for some odd reason I no longer have Output
> >>> #4! Switched the two Multifaces around, swapped out PCI cards &
> >>> even PCI slots, still nothing... it's showing up as "active"
> >>> and "visible" in the 'Device Setup' menu, too; but no matter
> >>> what configuration I try, I just simply do not have Analog Out
> >>> #4 any more... weird. I don't know when this might have
> >>> happened, because I haven't needed to use that before.
> >>>
> >>> If anyone can give me a hint as to what I might try, I'd
> >>> appreciate it!
> >>>
> >>> In any event, I'm using 4 sets of stereo analog outs, going
> >>> into the Paris 8-in module, and monitoring off the MEC... what
> >>> do I think so far? Well, there's definitely a difference vs.
> >>> mixing ITB on a 2-buss Native mix, as I suspected there would
> >>> be. Does it sound better than a straight 2-buss Native mix?
> >>> Yeah, I think so in a way... I'm definitely losing some high
> >>> end, but it sounds bigger - won't be able to tell for sure
> >>> until I a/b them, but those are my initital impressions. To me
> >>> it sounds much like what you'd get if you stemmed out four or
> >>> five stereo submixes in SX, then re-imported them into a new
> >>> project & summed it to your final 2-track mix from there.
> >>> Again, not certain how close the comparison is, but tomorrow
> >>> I'm going to run a totally ITB Native 2-buss mix, a stemmed
> >>> Native mix, and a "summed in Paris" mix & post some clips so you
> >>> guys can compare for yourselves.
> >>>
> >>> Neil
> >
>
>
>
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| Re: Got the Paris stuff from John... [message #75939 is a reply to message #75934] |
Mon, 13 November 2006 12:12 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/
Chas. Duncan <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote:
>For running networked computers and multiple displays with a single
>mouse/keyboard combo there's a cute little app called "Synergy" --
>shareware, I think... Been using if for a couple years now, no grief.
>
>-- it was a Brian T pick, so you know it's "geek certified."
>
>chas.
>
>
>On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 17:10:35 -0500, "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>
>>James,
>>Tell us what you know?!!!
>>Tom
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:45576cdc$1@linux...
>>
>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >Hey Jeff...
>> >
>> >No, I don't have a spare one laying around anymore - the one I
>> >did have was cannibalized to build the Paris PC. I don't know
>> >if I really want to a third one to the mix - I'm trying to
>> >figure out how to configure this additional stuff now
>> >(**physically** configure, I mean - not configuring connections,
>> >etc.), so I don't know if I'd even have a good place to put
>> >another PC; although you're right, that could be an inexpensive
>> >way to go about it - I could pick up a cheapie e-machines brand
>> >or equivalent for in the slightly over $300 range.
>> >
>> >That'll definitely be something to consider if I end up going
>> >through dual-ASIO-driver hell on the main PC.
>>
>> There are ways to remotely access the other system through software
and
>> a network connection, the KMV may not be necessary.
>>
>> James
>>
>> >
>> >Neil
>> >
>> >
>> >Jeff hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>> >>Neil,
>> >>
>> >>Kind of a neophyte on all this stuff, but what about picking up a low
>> >>end pc just for multiface control(or you may have one in your back
>> >>room). Still just starting with the multiface thing myself, but I
doubt
>> >
>> >>it takes any power to run Totalmix, and that would get around the
>> >>"confguration lost when power's off" if you run the multifaces
>> >>standlone. The multifaces would be relegated to basically just A/D
>> >>converters, but it sounds like that's what you want. Just use a KVM
>> >>switch (cheap one) to get to the piece occasionally if there is issues.
>> >>
>> >>Just a thought
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Jeff
>> >>
>> >>Neil wrote:
>> >>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>Hey Neil,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Feel free to give me a call if you hit any snags with the Pulsar.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks for the offer, Deej - I may do that... it's not
>> >>> scheduled to get here until late next week, actually, so it
>> >>> won't be right away that I need to take you up on it if I have
>> >>> problems.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>I've been test driving mine some more today and I'm still
>> >>>>liking it a lot.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> What? You havent shitcanned it yet? (oh, no wait, that's
>> >>> tomorrow - Sunday) :D j/k!
>> >>>
>> >>> BTW I decided to get the Professional card (instead of the
>> >>> Project card) for more DSP, and I passed on the convertors
>> >>> (their A16ultra box), since I didn't want to dump too much
>> >>> money into this experiment if it didn't work out. In talking to
>> >>> Gary, he wasn't sure if I'd be able to sum as many channels as
>> >>> I'm running, plus a couple of 'verbs, plus a few channels of
>> >>> dynamics at 88.2k/24-bit with the Project card. Then I got a
>> >>> lecture about using 88.2k in the first place... you know - the
>> >>> whole "you can't hear it once you convert to 44.1 for CD's
>> >>> anyway, and then you also get aliasing when you do, and in the
>> >>> meanwhile you're using too many DSP & CPU resources" - blah,
>> >>> blah, blah, yada, yada, yada... tell it to Rupert Neve & Geoff
>> >>> Emerick (you know, the story Rupert tells about Geoff noticing
>> >>> a "bad" channel in one of his consoles that they had just
>> >>> installed... what was "bad" about it was a defective cap that
>> >>> was oscillating at 30k).
>> >>>
>> >>> Anyway, I believe I can hear a difference with those higher
>> >>> sample rates - whether I'm fooling myself or not is, I suppose,
>> >>> a point of argument.
>> >>>
>> >>> Now, the other thing I'll need to figure out with the Pulsar
>> >>> card is the whole i/o deal... if I'm going to keep the RME
>> >>> convertors & use them instead of getting an A16Ultra, then I've
>> >>> got two issues at hand:
>> >>> 1.) If I'm going to use the Pulsar card in the input chain,
>> >>> then I'm going to be limited to ten tracks max on input at my
>> >>> 88.2k sample rate (I got the "Plus" i/o option so I could have
>> >>> balanced ins & outs, which gives you two analog ins, two
>> >>> ADAT/Optical in's - which are good for 4 channels each at that
>> >>> sample rate - and 2 AES in's, but I don't have anything with
>> >>> AES outs except for my Mucusrite ISA 428 with the digicard
>> >>> option - and I don't know if you can use the AES & lightpipe
>> >>> outs at the same time... anyway, maybe I'll be able to get 12
>> >>> channels of input out of the system; ten for sure. We'll see.
>> >>> In any event, that's a step back from my current 16 analog ins
>> >>> (with my two Multifaces) plus 4 channels of digilight (using
>> >>> the ISA card). Not a problem for most of the stuff I do, but
>> >>> getting another full RAWK band in here, 10 or 12 in's might not
>> >>> be enough for basic trax.
>> >>>
>> >>> 2.) The second issue I'll be dealing with by keeping the RME
>> >>> convertors can be summed up in this simple phrase:
>> >>> TWO ASIO DRIVERS... need I say more?
>> >>> Well, we'll see how that goes, as well... maybe I can still use
>> >>> the Multifaces & their own drivers for tracking, enabling me to
>> >>> have all the inputs I need & not worry about interfacing the
>> >>> Multifaces with the Pulsar card, and then release those drivers
>> >>> for mixdown & incorporate the Pulsar Card at that point.... not
>> >>> sure how well that'll work, but I guess I'm gonna try it.
>> >>>
>> >>> In any event, I've just been messing with the Paris summing
>> >>> thing right now. Got Paris up & running first time &
>> >>> everything's working fine... had some routing problems with my
>> >>> RME's, though... for some odd reason I no longer have Output
>> >>> #4! Switched the two Multifaces around, swapped out PCI cards &
>> >>> even PCI slots, still nothing... it's showing up as "active"
>> >>> and "visible" in the 'Device Setup' menu, too; but no matter
>> >>> what configuration I try, I just simply do not have Analog Out
>> >>> #4 any more... weird. I don't know when this might have
>> >>> happened, because I haven't needed to use that before.
>> >>>
>> >>> If anyone can give me a hint as to what I might try, I'd
>> >>> appreciate it!
>> >>>
>> >>> In any event, I'm using 4 sets of stereo analog outs, going
>> >>> into the Paris 8-in module, and monitoring off the MEC... what
>> >>> do I think so far? Well, there's definitely a difference vs.
>> >>> mixing ITB on a 2-buss Native mix, as I suspected there would
>> >>> be. Does it sound better than a straight 2-buss Native mix?
>> >>> Yeah, I think so in a way... I'm definitely losing some high
>> >>> end, but it sounds bigger - won't be able to tell for sure
>> >>> until I a/b them, but those are my initital impressions. To me
>> >>> it sounds much like what you'd get if you stemmed out four or
>> >>> five stereo submixes in SX, then re-imported them into a new
>> >>> project & summed it to your final 2-track mix from there.
>> >>> Again, not certain how close the comparison is, but tomorrow
>> >>> I'm going to run a totally ITB Native 2-buss mix, a stemmed
>> >>> Native mix, and a "summed in Paris" mix & post some clips so you
>> >>> guys can compare for yourselves.
>> >>>
>> >>> Neil
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
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