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TCB
Re: This could get interesting [message #84529 is a reply to message #84528] Mon, 14 May 2007 09:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [4] is currently offline  Deej [4]   UNITED STATES
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"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:46488bce$1@linux...
>
> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/ 05/28/100033867/index.htm?section=money_latest
>
> TCB

See......I told you you were using pirated software, but did you
listen???.....NOOOOooooooooo!!! Now, that, if you'll just start sending me
that $100.00 licensing fee, I'll see that it gets to the *right people*.

;o)


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Re: This could get interesting [message #84532 is a reply to message #84528] Mon, 14 May 2007 09:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dedric Terry is currently offline  Dedric Terry   UNITED STATES
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This is the best line in the article - nearly fell out of my chair reading
it:

"The Redmond behemoth asserts that one reason free software is of such high
quality is that it violates more than 200 of Microsoft's patents."

bwaahhhaahhaa!!!!

I never knew patents could impede progress and efficient design.

Dedric

"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:46488bce$1@linux...
>
> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/ 05/28/100033867/index.htm?section=money_latest
>
> TCB
Re: This could get interesting [message #84537 is a reply to message #84528] Mon, 14 May 2007 10:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chris Ludwig is currently offline  Chris Ludwig   UNITED STATES
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Yikes scary stuff.


TCB wrote:
> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/ 05/28/100033867/index.htm?section=money_latest
>
> TCB

--
Chris Ludwig

ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.com
Re: This could get interesting [message #84539 is a reply to message #84537] Mon, 14 May 2007 11:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [4] is currently offline  Deej [4]   UNITED STATES
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Well....once Microsoft takes over the world, Steve Jobs will win the final
lawsuit that sues Microsoft for stealing OSX and then we'll all be totally
scooterfucked.

;oD

"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:4648a305@linux...
> Yikes scary stuff.
>
>
> TCB wrote:
>> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/ 05/28/100033867/index.htm?section=money_latest
>>
>> TCB
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
>
> ADK Pro Audio
> (859) 635-5762
> www.adkproaudio.com
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
Re: This could get interesting [message #84542 is a reply to message #84539] Mon, 14 May 2007 11:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
rick is currently offline  rick   UNITED STATES
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is that like the paddle/crick thingy?


On Mon, 14 May 2007 12:13:48 -0600, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
wrote:

>Well....once Microsoft takes over the world, Steve Jobs will win the final
>lawsuit that sues Microsoft for stealing OSX and then we'll all be totally
>scooterfucked.
>
>;oD
>
>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>news:4648a305@linux...
>> Yikes scary stuff.
>>
>>
>> TCB wrote:
>>> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/ 05/28/100033867/index.htm?section=money_latest
>>>
>>> TCB
>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>>
>> ADK Pro Audio
>> (859) 635-5762
>> www.adkproaudio.com
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>
Re: This could get interesting [message #84549 is a reply to message #84528] Mon, 14 May 2007 15:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You almost cannot overstate the potential impact of this
litigation on the shape and future of the internet, and how
business is conducted. In a way, it would be like the railroad
barons of the 19th century suing anyone who used a wheel,
axles, and brakes, for infringement.

This is really important, and it is really important that MS loses...

DC


"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/ 05/28/100033867/index.htm?section=money_latest
>
>TCB
Re: This could get interesting [message #84553 is a reply to message #84549] Mon, 14 May 2007 16:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jamie K is currently offline  Jamie K   UNITED STATES
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That's a useful analogy, Don.

It appears that Microsoft may be attempting to "innovate" the legal
system to try to control things they didn't invent.

This would fit with past Microsoft criminal behavior.

Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com


DC wrote:
> You almost cannot overstate the potential impact of this
> litigation on the shape and future of the internet, and how
> business is conducted. In a way, it would be like the railroad
> barons of the 19th century suing anyone who used a wheel,
> axles, and brakes, for infringement.
>
> This is really important, and it is really important that MS loses...
>
> DC
>
>
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/ 05/28/100033867/index.htm?section=money_latest
>>
>> TCB
>
Re: This could get interesting [message #84559 is a reply to message #84532] Mon, 14 May 2007 17:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Mon, 14 May 2007 10:34:59 -0600, "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com>
wrote:

>This is the best line in the article - nearly fell out of my chair reading
>it:
>
>"The Redmond behemoth asserts that one reason free software is of such high
>quality is that it violates more than 200 of Microsoft's patents."
>
>bwaahhhaahhaa!!!!
>

I enjoyed Monkey Boy Ballmer's comment about how Micro$oft always
respects other companies' IP and therefore, other companies should
respect theirs as well.

Ahhhhh. It must be fun to live in BallmerWorld.

pab
Re: This could get interesting [message #84564 is a reply to message #84539] Mon, 14 May 2007 18:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
wireline[1] is currently offline  wireline[1]   UNITED STATES
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scooterfucked?

Seems it really doesn't matter who invented what, its who hold the
patents...

If only I had bought Microsoft stock in 1985
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:4648a873@linux...
> Well....once Microsoft takes over the world, Steve Jobs will win the final
> lawsuit that sues Microsoft for stealing OSX and then we'll all be totally
> scooterfucked.
>
> ;oD
>
> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> news:4648a305@linux...
>> Yikes scary stuff.
>>
>>
>> TCB wrote:
>>> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/ 05/28/100033867/index.htm?section=money_latest
>>>
>>> TCB
>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>>
>> ADK Pro Audio
>> (859) 635-5762
>> www.adkproaudio.com
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>
>
Re: This could get interesting [message #84567 is a reply to message #84564] Mon, 14 May 2007 18:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [4] is currently offline  Deej [4]   UNITED STATES
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True,

I'm just kiddin around here. This one should be really interesting. Letter
of the law vs spirit of the free.

;o)

"Wireline" <wirelinestudio@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:46490bf9$1@linux...
> scooterfucked?
>
> Seems it really doesn't matter who invented what, its who hold the
> patents...
>
> If only I had bought Microsoft stock in 1985
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:4648a873@linux...
>> Well....once Microsoft takes over the world, Steve Jobs will win the
>> final lawsuit that sues Microsoft for stealing OSX and then we'll all be
>> totally scooterfucked.
>>
>> ;oD
>>
>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>> news:4648a305@linux...
>>> Yikes scary stuff.
>>>
>>>
>>> TCB wrote:
>>>> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/ 05/28/100033867/index.htm?section=money_latest
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>
>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>> (859) 635-5762
>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>
>>
>
>
Re: This could get interesting [message #84569 is a reply to message #84567] Mon, 14 May 2007 18:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
wireline[1] is currently offline  wireline[1]   UNITED STATES
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Agreed...I just hope that whatever occurs, we the end users don't pay the
potentialy billions of dollars in legal fees...

that's how all this crap got started in the 1st place, me thinks.
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:464910db@linux...
> True,
>
> I'm just kiddin around here. This one should be really interesting. Letter
> of the law vs spirit of the free.
>
> ;o)
>
> "Wireline" <wirelinestudio@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:46490bf9$1@linux...
>> scooterfucked?
>>
>> Seems it really doesn't matter who invented what, its who hold the
>> patents...
>>
>> If only I had bought Microsoft stock in 1985
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:4648a873@linux...
>>> Well....once Microsoft takes over the world, Steve Jobs will win the
>>> final lawsuit that sues Microsoft for stealing OSX and then we'll all be
>>> totally scooterfucked.
>>>
>>> ;oD
>>>
>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4648a305@linux...
>>>> Yikes scary stuff.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/ 05/28/100033867/index.htm?section=money_latest
>>>>>
>>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>
>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: This could get interesting [message #84573 is a reply to message #84567] Mon, 14 May 2007 19:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
audioguy_editout_ is currently offline  audioguy_editout_   CANADA
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Sheeesh... only a coupla' posts in and buddy already has
some 'tude... should fit in nicely! ;-)

David.

DJ wrote:

> True,
>
> I'm just kiddin around here. This one should be really interesting. Letter
> of the law vs spirit of the free.
>
> ;o)
>
> "Wireline" <wirelinestudio@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:46490bf9$1@linux...
>
>>scooterfucked?
>>
>>Seems it really doesn't matter who invented what, its who hold the
>>patents...
>>
>>If only I had bought Microsoft stock in 1985
>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:4648a873@linux...
>>
>>>Well....once Microsoft takes over the world, Steve Jobs will win the
>>>final lawsuit that sues Microsoft for stealing OSX and then we'll all be
>>>totally scooterfucked.
>>>
>>>;oD
>>>
>>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>news:4648a305@linux...
>>>
>>>>Yikes scary stuff.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/ 05/28/100033867/index.htm?section=money_latest
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>
>>>>ADK Pro Audio
>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>www.adkproaudio.com
>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: This could get interesting [message #84590 is a reply to message #84528] Mon, 14 May 2007 21:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
excelav is currently offline  excelav   
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MS stomps on anybody or anything that appears to be a threat.

When Gates ran down to Mexico, Central America and South America to head
off the free computers with MS bribes, he just showed the world again what
a worm he is. Slime!

They have stolen from many, and then sue others for doing the same, thats
so hypocritical! They have never had a real serious consequence for the
things they have done, thanks to political influence. They got nothing more
that a slap on the wrist. Now they have set the standards for other companies
to follow, and other companies are following suit. Nothing but greed will
rule the day.

The killing of technologies, corrupting good technologies, crappy products,
call centers in India, monopolies, government bribes and favoritism, corporate
espionage, and out right theft, all make for a nice world.

It's hard for me to support a company like MS.

Speaking of call centers in India, HP is really starting to suck. Their
newer drivers for PC and Mac both suck. I hate any software that insists
on getting in the way when I'm trying to get some work done. Talk about
spyware virus-ware, It's a pain to turn off, and uninstalling HP software
is a PITA to, it tries to keep showing up and connecting to the mother ship,
reminds me of MS.

I liked the HP video. I thought it was a creative way for our boys to get
in their mandatory target practice.

Here's a little SUN shine for HP: http://youtube.com/watch?v=YOnRJi9QJr8&mode=related& search=

While Americans are out of work, people should let these companies know that
we don't appreciate Indian call centers. It really is too bad, HP is not
the company it once was.


I still use MS and HP products, but for not too much longer. They don't
need anymore of my money anyways.


"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/ 05/28/100033867/index.htm?section=money_latest
>
>TCB
Re: This could get interesting [message #84598 is a reply to message #84573] Tue, 15 May 2007 01:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
rick is currently offline  rick   UNITED STATES
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birds of a feather...



On Mon, 14 May 2007 20:31:57 -0600, "Dave(EK Sound)"
<audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote:

>Sheeesh... only a coupla' posts in and buddy already has
>some 'tude... should fit in nicely! ;-)
>
>David.
>
>DJ wrote:
>
>> True,
>>
>> I'm just kiddin around here. This one should be really interesting. Letter
>> of the law vs spirit of the free.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>> "Wireline" <wirelinestudio@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:46490bf9$1@linux...
>>
>>>scooterfucked?
>>>
>>>Seems it really doesn't matter who invented what, its who hold the
>>>patents...
>>>
>>>If only I had bought Microsoft stock in 1985
>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:4648a873@linux...
>>>
>>>>Well....once Microsoft takes over the world, Steve Jobs will win the
>>>>final lawsuit that sues Microsoft for stealing OSX and then we'll all be
>>>>totally scooterfucked.
>>>>
>>>>;oD
>>>>
>>>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:4648a305@linux...
>>>>
>>>>>Yikes scary stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/ 05/28/100033867/index.htm?section=money_latest
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>
>>>>>ADK Pro Audio
>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com
>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
Re: This could get interesting [message #84614 is a reply to message #84549] Tue, 15 May 2007 07:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TCB is currently offline  TCB
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The thing is, though, that M$oft isn't suing anyone. What they're saying is,
'Linux infringes on 235 patents. We won't tell you which ones, but they do,
just trust us.' Then they are going to their big corporate (and maybe educational,
I'm not sure) customers and saying, 'If you have linux in your server room
or even if your geeks use it on their desktops, you're infringing on our
patents. However, we're reasonable people and realize you might need more
than one platform in your backline. So you can either move your linux servers
over to our stuff or you can pay us a licensing fee to indemnify you on the
patent infringement.'

The reason they're going this way is if they were to litigate, say sue Red
Hat because they're publicly traded and have a balance sheet, then they have
to come out and say exactly what's being infringed upon. And it's probably
stupid shit like having a menu that can be used to open a file. SCO did something
similar, saying that IBM had used SCO code in their linux work and took them
to court where IBM has so brutally cleaned their clocks that M$oft isn't
going that route unless they have no choice.

So it's not something being litigated now, it's a classic shakedown. 'Good
Morning Mr. Don. My name Vinnie 'the Firestarter' Corleone. I was just noticing
your lovely house and all of the wood it happens to have in it. I'm sure
you have insurance but you have no idea how inconvenient it is when your
house catches on fire, it'd a terrible strain on you and your lovely family.
So I was thinking, my brother is in the fire department, and he only lives
a few doors down, for only $150 per week I'm sure he'd be happy to keep an
extra close eye on your lovely house and be sure nothing happened to it.'

All of which to me shows how hollow M$oft is becoming. While companies like
Google are pressing out and expanding on what you can do with your computer,
M$oft is reduced to crudely shaking down their own customers. Not much of
a business model.

TCB

"DC" <dc@spammersinredmond.com> wrote:
>
>You almost cannot overstate the potential impact of this
>litigation on the shape and future of the internet, and how
>business is conducted. In a way, it would be like the railroad
>barons of the 19th century suing anyone who used a wheel,
>axles, and brakes, for infringement.
>
>This is really important, and it is really important that MS loses...
>
>DC
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/ 05/28/100033867/index.htm?section=money_latest
>>
>>TCB
>
Re: This could get interesting [message #84617 is a reply to message #84614] Tue, 15 May 2007 08:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
excelav is currently offline  excelav   
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I totally agree. They are the kings of unethical business practices. I bet
they start suing the small guys that can't fight them. Any chance to sue
and win is like blood in the water to there legal department. After all,
they are entitled.

"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>The thing is, though, that M$oft isn't suing anyone. What they're saying
is,
>'Linux infringes on 235 patents. We won't tell you which ones, but they
do,
>just trust us.' Then they are going to their big corporate (and maybe educational,
>I'm not sure) customers and saying, 'If you have linux in your server room
>or even if your geeks use it on their desktops, you're infringing on our
>patents. However, we're reasonable people and realize you might need more
>than one platform in your backline. So you can either move your linux servers
>over to our stuff or you can pay us a licensing fee to indemnify you on
the
>patent infringement.'
>
>The reason they're going this way is if they were to litigate, say sue Red
>Hat because they're publicly traded and have a balance sheet, then they
have
>to come out and say exactly what's being infringed upon. And it's probably
>stupid shit like having a menu that can be used to open a file. SCO did
something
>similar, saying that IBM had used SCO code in their linux work and took
them
>to court where IBM has so brutally cleaned their clocks that M$oft isn't
>going that route unless they have no choice.
>
>So it's not something being litigated now, it's a classic shakedown. 'Good
>Morning Mr. Don. My name Vinnie 'the Firestarter' Corleone. I was just noticing
>your lovely house and all of the wood it happens to have in it. I'm sure
>you have insurance but you have no idea how inconvenient it is when your
>house catches on fire, it'd a terrible strain on you and your lovely family.
>So I was thinking, my brother is in the fire department, and he only lives
>a few doors down, for only $150 per week I'm sure he'd be happy to keep
an
>extra close eye on your lovely house and be sure nothing happened to it.'
>
>All of which to me shows how hollow M$oft is becoming. While companies like
>Google are pressing out and expanding on what you can do with your computer,
>M$oft is reduced to crudely shaking down their own customers. Not much of
>a business model.
>
>TCB
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinredmond.com> wrote:
>>
>>You almost cannot overstate the potential impact of this
>>litigation on the shape and future of the internet, and how
>>business is conducted. In a way, it would be like the railroad
>>barons of the 19th century suing anyone who used a wheel,
>>axles, and brakes, for infringement.
>>
>>This is really important, and it is really important that MS loses...
>>
>>DC
>>
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/ 05/28/100033867/index.htm?section=money_latest
>>>
>>>TCB
>>
>
Re: This could get interesting [message #84619 is a reply to message #84617] Tue, 15 May 2007 11:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TCB is currently offline  TCB
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Read what I said more closely, James. I don't think they'll sue anyone, because
if they do then they patents can be contested/dismissed or worked around.
The free software community is very accustomed to such situations and has
done so before lots of times. They have nothing to gain from suing and everything
to lose, but lots to gain from threatening to sue.

Contrary to popular opinion IP rights are central to free software. Without
them the GPL (or the Debian license or whatever) becomes unenforceable. Most
free software people question software patents in general, but the enforcement
of copyright is the only thing that allows the GPL to have teeth.

TCB

"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I totally agree. They are the kings of unethical business practices. I
bet
>they start suing the small guys that can't fight them. Any chance to sue
>and win is like blood in the water to there legal department. After all,
>they are entitled.
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>The thing is, though, that M$oft isn't suing anyone. What they're saying
>is,
>>'Linux infringes on 235 patents. We won't tell you which ones, but they
>do,
>>just trust us.' Then they are going to their big corporate (and maybe educational,
>>I'm not sure) customers and saying, 'If you have linux in your server room
>>or even if your geeks use it on their desktops, you're infringing on our
>>patents. However, we're reasonable people and realize you might need more
>>than one platform in your backline. So you can either move your linux servers
>>over to our stuff or you can pay us a licensing fee to indemnify you on
>the
>>patent infringement.'
>>
>>The reason they're going this way is if they were to litigate, say sue
Red
>>Hat because they're publicly traded and have a balance sheet, then they
>have
>>to come out and say exactly what's being infringed upon. And it's probably
>>stupid shit like having a menu that can be used to open a file. SCO did
>something
>>similar, saying that IBM had used SCO code in their linux work and took
>them
>>to court where IBM has so brutally cleaned their clocks that M$oft isn't
>>going that route unless they have no choice.
>>
>>So it's not something being litigated now, it's a classic shakedown. 'Good
>>Morning Mr. Don. My name Vinnie 'the Firestarter' Corleone. I was just
noticing
>>your lovely house and all of the wood it happens to have in it. I'm sure
>>you have insurance but you have no idea how inconvenient it is when your
>>house catches on fire, it'd a terrible strain on you and your lovely family.
>>So I was thinking, my brother is in the fire department, and he only lives
>>a few doors down, for only $150 per week I'm sure he'd be happy to keep
>an
>>extra close eye on your lovely house and be sure nothing happened to it.'
>>
>>All of which to me shows how hollow M$oft is becoming. While companies
like
>>Google are pressing out and expanding on what you can do with your computer,
>>M$oft is reduced to crudely shaking down their own customers. Not much
of
>>a business model.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"DC" <dc@spammersinredmond.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>You almost cannot overstate the potential impact of this
>>>litigation on the shape and future of the internet, and how
>>>business is conducted. In a way, it would be like the railroad
>>>barons of the 19th century suing anyone who used a wheel,
>>>axles, and brakes, for infringement.
>>>
>>>This is really important, and it is really important that MS loses...
>>>
>>>DC
>>>
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/ 05/28/100033867/index.htm?section=money_latest
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>
>>
>
Re: This could get interesting [message #84625 is a reply to message #84619] Tue, 15 May 2007 12:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
excelav is currently offline  excelav   
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
Senior Member
More MS fans!

http://www.macworld.co.uk/business/news/index.cfm?newsid=180 34

"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Read what I said more closely, James. I don't think they'll sue anyone,
because
>if they do then they patents can be contested/dismissed or worked around.
>The free software community is very accustomed to such situations and has
>done so before lots of times. They have nothing to gain from suing and everything
>to lose, but lots to gain from threatening to sue.
>
>Contrary to popular opinion IP rights are central to free software. Without
>them the GPL (or the Debian license or whatever) becomes unenforceable.
Most
>free software people question software patents in general, but the enforcement
>of copyright is the only thing that allows the GPL to have teeth.
>
>TCB
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>I totally agree. They are the kings of unethical business practices.
I
>bet
>>they start suing the small guys that can't fight them. Any chance to sue
>>and win is like blood in the water to there legal department. After all,
>>they are entitled.
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>The thing is, though, that M$oft isn't suing anyone. What they're saying
>>is,
>>>'Linux infringes on 235 patents. We won't tell you which ones, but they
>>do,
>>>just trust us.' Then they are going to their big corporate (and maybe
educational,
>>>I'm not sure) customers and saying, 'If you have linux in your server
room
>>>or even if your geeks use it on their desktops, you're infringing on our
>>>patents. However, we're reasonable people and realize you might need more
>>>than one platform in your backline. So you can either move your linux
servers
>>>over to our stuff or you can pay us a licensing fee to indemnify you on
>>the
>>>patent infringement.'
>>>
>>>The reason they're going this way is if they were to litigate, say sue
>Red
>>>Hat because they're publicly traded and have a balance sheet, then they
>>have
>>>to come out and say exactly what's being infringed upon. And it's probably
>>>stupid shit like having a menu that can be used to open a file. SCO did
>>something
>>>similar, saying that IBM had used SCO code in their linux work and took
>>them
>>>to court where IBM has so brutally cleaned their clocks that M$oft isn't
>>>going that route unless they have no choice.
>>>
>>>So it's not something being litigated now, it's a classic shakedown. 'Good
>>>Morning Mr. Don. My name Vinnie 'the Firestarter' Corleone. I was just
>noticing
>>>your lovely house and all of the wood it happens to have in it. I'm sure
>>>you have insurance but you have no idea how inconvenient it is when your
>>>house catches on fire, it'd a terrible strain on you and your lovely family.
>>>So I was thinking, my brother is in the fire department, and he only lives
>>>a few doors down, for only $150 per week I'm sure he'd be happy to keep
>>an
>>>extra close eye on your lovely house and be sure nothing happened to it.'
>>>
>>>All of which to me shows how hollow M$oft is becoming. While companies
>like
>>>Google are pressing out and expanding on what you can do with your computer,
>>>M$oft is reduced to crudely shaking down their own customers. Not much
>of
>>>a business model.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"DC" <dc@spammersinredmond.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>You almost cannot overstate the potential impact of this
>>>>litigation on the shape and future of the internet, and how
>>>>business is conducted. In a way, it would be like the railroad
>>>>barons of the 19th century suing anyone who used a wheel,
>>>>axles, and brakes, for infringement.
>>>>
>>>>This is really important, and it is really important that MS loses...
>>>>
>>>>DC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/ 05/28/100033867/index.htm?section=money_latest
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: This could get interesting [message #84626 is a reply to message #84614] Tue, 15 May 2007 13:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TCB is currently offline  TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
Senior Member
I realize this is tooting my own horn a bit, but here's a link to what Linus
has to say, which is damn to close to what I wrote before I read this piece.


http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articl eID=199600443

TCB

"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>The thing is, though, that M$oft isn't suing anyone. What they're saying
is,
>'Linux infringes on 235 patents. We won't tell you which ones, but they
do,
>just trust us.' Then they are going to their big corporate (and maybe educational,
>I'm not sure) customers and saying, 'If you have linux in your server room
>or even if your geeks use it on their desktops, you're infringing on our
>patents. However, we're reasonable people and realize you might need more
>than one platform in your backline. So you can either move your linux servers
>over to our stuff or you can pay us a licensing fee to indemnify you on
the
>patent infringement.'
>
>The reason they're going this way is if they were to litigate, say sue Red
>Hat because they're publicly traded and have a balance sheet, then they
have
>to come out and say exactly what's being infringed upon. And it's probably
>stupid shit like having a menu that can be used to open a file. SCO did
something
>similar, saying that IBM had used SCO code in their linux work and took
them
>to court where IBM has so brutally cleaned their clocks that M$oft isn't
>going that route unless they have no choice.
>
>So it's not something being litigated now, it's a classic shakedown. 'Good
>Morning Mr. Don. My name Vinnie 'the Firestarter' Corleone. I was just noticing
>your lovely house and all of the wood it happens to have in it. I'm sure
>you have insurance but you have no idea how inconvenient it is when your
>house catches on fire, it'd a terrible strain on you and your lovely family.
>So I was thinking, my brother is in the fire department, and he only lives
>a few doors down, for only $150 per week I'm sure he'd be happy to keep
an
>extra close eye on your lovely house and be sure nothing happened to it.'
>
>All of which to me shows how hollow M$oft is becoming. While companies like
>Google are pressing out and expanding on what you can do with your computer,
>M$oft is reduced to crudely shaking down their own customers. Not much of
>a business model.
>
>TCB
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinredmond.com> wrote:
>>
>>You almost cannot overstate the potential impact of this
>>litigation on the shape and future of the internet, and how
>>business is conducted. In a way, it would be like the railroad
>>barons of the 19th century suing anyone who used a wheel,
>>axles, and brakes, for infringement.
>>
>>This is really important, and it is really important that MS loses...
>>
>>DC
>>
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/ 05/28/100033867/index.htm?section=money_latest
>>>
>>>TCB
>>
>
Re: This could get interesting [message #84632 is a reply to message #84626] Tue, 15 May 2007 17:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
chuck duffy is currently offline  chuck duffy
Messages: 453
Registered: July 2005
Senior Member
Thad,

I have to say that I am dismayed this has come to pass, but I guess it was
inevitable. They (ms) laughed off/ignored free software as long as possible.
That's the first strategy of the entrenched, pretend there is no alternative.
It's not possible to ignore free software anymore.

Chuck
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>I realize this is tooting my own horn a bit, but here's a link to what Linus
>has to say, which is damn to close to what I wrote before I read this piece.
>
>
> http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articl eID=199600443
>
>TCB
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>The thing is, though, that M$oft isn't suing anyone. What they're saying
>is,
>>'Linux infringes on 235 patents. We won't tell you which ones, but they
>do,
>>just trust us.' Then they are going to their big corporate (and maybe educational,
>>I'm not sure) customers and saying, 'If you have linux in your server room
>>or even if your geeks use it on their desktops, you're infringing on our
>>patents. However, we're reasonable people and realize you might need more
>>than one platform in your backline. So you can either move your linux servers
>>over to our stuff or you can pay us a licensing fee to indemnify you on
>the
>>patent infringement.'
>>
>>The reason they're going this way is if they were to litigate, say sue
Red
>>Hat because they're publicly traded and have a balance sheet, then they
>have
>>to come out and say exactly what's being infringed upon. And it's probably
>>stupid shit like having a menu that can be used to open a file. SCO did
>something
>>similar, saying that IBM had used SCO code in their linux work and took
>them
>>to court where IBM has so brutally cleaned their clocks that M$oft isn't
>>going that route unless they have no choice.
>>
>>So it's not something being litigated now, it's a classic shakedown. 'Good
>>Morning Mr. Don. My name Vinnie 'the Firestarter' Corleone. I was just
noticing
>>your lovely house and all of the wood it happens to have in it. I'm sure
>>you have insurance but you have no idea how inconvenient it is when your
>>house catches on fire, it'd a terrible strain on you and your lovely family.
>>So I was thinking, my brother is in the fire department, and he only lives
>>a few doors down, for only $150 per week I'm sure he'd be happy to keep
>an
>>extra close eye on your lovely house and be sure nothing happened to it.'
>>
>>All of which to me shows how hollow M$oft is becoming. While companies
like
>>Google are pressing out and expanding on what you can do with your computer,
>>M$oft is reduced to crudely shaking down their own customers. Not much
of
>>a business model.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"DC" <dc@spammersinredmond.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>You almost cannot overstate the potential impact of this
>>>litigation on the shape and future of the internet, and how
>>>business is conducted. In a way, it would be like the railroad
>>>barons of the 19th century suing anyone who used a wheel,
>>>axles, and brakes, for infringement.
>>>
>>>This is really important, and it is really important that MS loses...
>>>
>>>DC
>>>
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/ 05/28/100033867/index.htm?section=money_latest
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>
>>
>
Re: This could get interesting [message #84649 is a reply to message #84632] Wed, 16 May 2007 06:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
TCB is currently offline  TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
Senior Member
I agree, Chuck, but I think the only danger is to other corporate entities
having to pay MSoft some money. And in the long run that's going to hurt
MSoft more than anyone else. It will make them seem like an untrustworthy,
unpredictable partner and will push even the big boys to reconsider how much
they rely on them.

TCB

"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>Thad,
>
>I have to say that I am dismayed this has come to pass, but I guess it was
>inevitable. They (ms) laughed off/ignored free software as long as possible.
>That's the first strategy of the entrenched, pretend there is no alternative.
>It's not possible to ignore free software anymore.
>
>Chuck
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>I realize this is tooting my own horn a bit, but here's a link to what
Linus
>>has to say, which is damn to close to what I wrote before I read this piece.
>>
>>
>> http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articl eID=199600443
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>The thing is, though, that M$oft isn't suing anyone. What they're saying
>>is,
>>>'Linux infringes on 235 patents. We won't tell you which ones, but they
>>do,
>>>just trust us.' Then they are going to their big corporate (and maybe
educational,
>>>I'm not sure) customers and saying, 'If you have linux in your server
room
>>>or even if your geeks use it on their desktops, you're infringing on our
>>>patents. However, we're reasonable people and realize you might need more
>>>than one platform in your backline. So you can either move your linux
servers
>>>over to our stuff or you can pay us a licensing fee to indemnify you on
>>the
>>>patent infringement.'
>>>
>>>The reason they're going this way is if they were to litigate, say sue
>Red
>>>Hat because they're publicly traded and have a balance sheet, then they
>>have
>>>to come out and say exactly what's being infringed upon. And it's probably
>>>stupid shit like having a menu that can be used to open a file. SCO did
>>something
>>>similar, saying that IBM had used SCO code in their linux work and took
>>them
>>>to court where IBM has so brutally cleaned their clocks that M$oft isn't
>>>going that route unless they have no choice.
>>>
>>>So it's not something being litigated now, it's a classic shakedown. 'Good
>>>Morning Mr. Don. My name Vinnie 'the Firestarter' Corleone. I was just
>noticing
>>>your lovely house and all of the wood it happens to have in it. I'm sure
>>>you have insurance but you have no idea how inconvenient it is when your
>>>house catches on fire, it'd a terrible strain on you and your lovely family.
>>>So I was thinking, my brother is in the fire department, and he only lives
>>>a few doors down, for only $150 per week I'm sure he'd be happy to keep
>>an
>>>extra close eye on your lovely house and be sure nothing happened to it.'
>>>
>>>All of which to me shows how hollow M$oft is becoming. While companies
>like
>>>Google are pressing out and expanding on what you can do with your computer,
>>>M$oft is reduced to crudely shaking down their own customers. Not much
>of
>>>a business model.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"DC" <dc@spammersinredmond.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>You almost cannot overstate the potential impact of this
>>>>litigation on the shape and future of the internet, and how
>>>>business is conducted. In a way, it would be like the railroad
>>>>barons of the 19th century suing anyone who used a wheel,
>>>>axles, and brakes, for infringement.
>>>>
>>>>This is really important, and it is really important that MS loses...
>>>>
>>>>DC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/ 05/28/100033867/index.htm?section=money_latest
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: This could get interesting [message #84719 is a reply to message #84564] Thu, 17 May 2007 11:23 Go to previous message
D-unit is currently offline  D-unit   UNITED STATES
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"Wireline" <wirelinestudio@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:46490bf9$1@linux...
> scooterfucked?
>
> Seems it really doesn't matter who invented that, its who hold the
> patents...
>

WOW,

You can get a patent on almost anything these days.

Kool.



db~Id like to see that sometime.
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