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Adat sync can this send sample accurate sync ? [message #57990] Thu, 08 September 2005 02:15 Go to next message
Dimitrios is currently offline  Dimitrios   GREECE
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d it makes a noticable difference with the
stock PARIS converters). Has anyone compared either to the stock converters
at 44.1 with a good clock? How would that integrate with the ADAT module at
only 20bit? (I noticed one of you all mentioning having to dither every
track to 20 bit).

Maybe I should use what I have now, then when I'm ready, move to something
like a Nyquist RADAR and a real board? SX or Nuendo just seems more tempting
because I'm half way there, and only need the converters, but I sure like
the idea of a closed system such as RADAR or even the new TASCAM 48 track.
The problem is I am sometimes frustrated with PARIS as it seems to have
Re: Adat sync can this send sample accurate sync ? [message #57994 is a reply to message #57990] Thu, 08 September 2005 06:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rod Lincoln is currently offline  Rod Lincoln
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office one day to apologize for being late.
>>Said he was in jail. Turns out he was in McDonalds late at night,
>>just "eating while black" and a couple of Fontana cops rousted him.
>>When he simply asked them why they were hassling him, he ended
>>up in jail with a summons. He was so mad he was nearly shaking.
>>He felt beaten, and like a victim of a mssive power structure that
>>hated him for his skin color. He was set to pay the fine, but the
>>hate from this expreience was palpable in him. I said "to hell with
>>that, don't pay a damn thing". You are an AMERICAN, you own
>>this country as much as anyone else. Don't react to this like those
>>racist cops expect you to. You go in dressed well, and plead
>>"not guilty" in a loud and clear voice and explain what happened
>>as if you expect to be exonerated. Be right
Re: Adat sync can this send sample accurate sync ? [message #57999 is a reply to message #57994] Thu, 08 September 2005 10:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aaron Allen is currently offline  Aaron Allen   UNITED STATES
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t;>>So if the sony out from Paris would start my Cubase with ALWAYS sample
>>>accurate positioning, instead of MTC which is not alkways sample accurate
>>>(without using the wordclock in/out) then this would be great.
>>>Regards,
>>>Dimitrios
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Wow. I actually got my Dakota/Montana to work with 1.06. It was after Cubase
Sx went to v2.0 that everything quit working for me. You might want to try
using the original Dakota Driver, not the newest one. Might work for you.

Deej

"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> Sample accurate sync does work in XP...at least going to a Frontier
Dakota.
> (Cubase SX 1.06) it just won't work with an adat. and you may or may not
> be able to get more than 1 adat card per mec
> Rod
> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
> >Just not out of the 9 pin in Win XP.. gotta use ME for that, or Mac OS.
> >
> >AA
> >
> >
> >"Rod Lincoln" <

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Re: Adat sync can this send sample accurate sync ? [message #58000 is a reply to message #57999] Thu, 08 September 2005 10:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [1] is currently offline  Deej [1]   UNITED STATES
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oln@nospam.kc.rr.com" target="_blank">rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
> >news:432036fd$1@linux...
> >>
> >> the adat card does indeed send sample acurate sync.
> >> Rod
> >> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
> >>>Hi,
> >>>I wonder if the Paris adat sync out of card's a mec can send sample
> >>>accurate
> >>>sync...
> >>>I have read on an old post that is used minly for transport controls.
> >>>But if it is used only for that then midioverlan sending MTC is
adequate
> >> for
> >>>me.
> >>>I am asking because I am using on second PC Creamware's pulsar cards
and
> >> I
> >>>could get the sync plate for pulsar which has 9 pin adat connectionns
>
> >>>along
> >>>with extra wordclock in/out.
> >>>So if the sony out from Paris would start my Cubase with ALWAYS sample
> >>>accurate positioning, instead of MTC which is not alkways sample
accurate
> >>>(without using the wordclock in/out) then this would be great.
> >>>Regards,
> >>>Dimitrios
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>Well I opened here up, re-seated the main IC / connections, checked the
surface mount fuses on that little pwr supply brd and I think its as far as
I can go without a schematic.
It was a small challenge to put back together but patients is the key there.

"Rob Arsenault" <mani2@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message news:431f8448@linux...
> I come in the studio tonight, turn on my rig, my second C-16 doesn't show
up
> in Paris, I look, no heartbeat on the mute button, I swapped cables with
my
> other C-16, still no heart beat, I tried my other C-16 on this cable,
works
> perfect. So does this mean I'm shopping for a new C-16? Anyone had similar
Re: Adat sync can this send sample accurate sync ? [message #58009 is a reply to message #57999] Thu, 08 September 2005 15:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rod Lincoln is currently offline  Rod Lincoln
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ght now that needs a de-esser on parts of the
> lead vox of a song. We were in a hurry and it slipped through the tracks.
>
> ;o(
>
>Gene Eichelberger once told me a reply he gave to someone in a situation
similar to yours. "I can mix it fast, or I can mix it right. Your choice!"

CL


"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
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> The client wants a radio ready product but doesn't want to allow me to
spend
> the time to critically listen to *roughs*. Lots of stuff can sneak through
> and notes need to be made for each track.
>
> I'm listening to something right now that needs a de-esser on parts of the
> lead vox of a song. We were in a hurry and it slipped through the tracks.
>
> ;o(
>
>I agree. I'm just now starting to have a somewhat busy studio. I'm not
really used to mixing this much and I just don't have certain techniquest
hard wired into my methodology yet. There are just some thiings that I could
be doing that would provide a more thorough analysis during the first
roughs. I'm also doing dumb things like grabbing an EQ too quick, before I
really have time to let the levels and panning sink in when I push the
faders up for my first listen.. It is dumb newbie stuff. I'm just in too
much of a hurry and I'm losing time by trying to save time. It's also still
an unfamiliar way of working with SX because I used to mix while I was
tracking in Paris. In SX, I'm starting from scratch with each song so this
is a bit wierd to me still. I know mix engineers who take outside work do
this all the time. The hat is just not comfortable
Re: Adat sync can this send sample accurate sync ? [message #58010 is a reply to message #58009] Thu, 08 September 2005 16:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [1] is currently offline  Deej [1]   UNITED STATES
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yet.

I'm still
"Chris Latham" <latham_c@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:43210056@linux...
> Gene Eichelberger once told me a reply he gave to someone in a situation
> similar to yours. "I can mix it fast, or I can mix it right. Your
choice!"
>
> CL
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:4320f3a4@linux...
> > The client wants a radio ready product but doesn't want to allow me to
> spend
> > the time to critically listen to *roughs*. Lots of stuff can sneak
through
> > and notes need to be made for each track.
> >
> > I'm listening to something right now that needs a de-esser on parts of
the
> > lead vox of a song. We were in a hurry and it slipped through the
tracks.
> >
> > ;o(
> >
> >
>
>The operative word here is "demo"... if they want radio
ready, they have to be prepared to pay for radio quality
mixes. Impress upon them that the extra time spent doing
detailed mixes will reap rewards in other areas, and
ultimately improve the listeners perception of the group.

David.


DJ wrote:
> The client wants a radio ready product but doesn't want to allow me to spend
> the time to critically listen to *roughs*. Lots of stuff can sneak through
> and notes need to be made for each track.
>
> I'm listening to something right now that needs a de-esser on parts of the
> lead vox of a song. We were in a hurry and it slipped through the tracks.
>
> ;o(
>
>These folks are used to working with Nashville heavy hitters whose demos
sound better than my *finished mixes. I't's sort of intimidating, but at the
same time challenging.

;o)

"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_nospam_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:432109e3@linux...
> The operative word here is "demo"... if they want radio
> ready, they have to be prepared to pay for radio quality
Re: Adat sync can this send sample accurate sync ? [message #58012 is a reply to message #58000] Thu, 08 September 2005 19:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aaron Allen is currently offline  Aaron Allen   UNITED STATES
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rslutz.com for several months and
have learned quite a bit. I see that some of you are using other DAWs with
PARIS. I'd like to do the same. I also have some decent outboard gear I'm
using.

Right now, I have PARIS set up on it's own, using some outboard gear as
inserts and aux. FX. I've also found a way to use the Aux sends as busses so
that I may strap stereo dynamics across a multiple track sub. I do very
little editing, and don't really use any PARIS effects. I esentially am
using PARIS as you would a tape deck and desk, I do use the editor for track
alignment with multi mic sources, and I will on ocasion remove a flub, but I
did that with mutes back in the day anyway.

I have a second computer running SX which has an RME HDSP 96/52 in it. I
really only use it to transfer SX tracks from another studio into PARIS, but
I think I'd eventually like to either begin recording into SX or even
upgrade to Nuendo, and simply use PARIS as a mixer. THe main reason dor this
is to use the SX latenc compensation. I also have a couple UAD-1s and some
soft synths that I may or may not use (I have 8 analog channels of decent
compression and EQ, and prefer using these, printing them to disk as I need
more channels). My ultimate goal is to eventually replace PARIS with either
a mixer (probably a neotek) or a summing box (probably an API). The bigest
problem is that PARIS is SO easy to use for me compared to SX. I'm from the
old school. Learned on a 4 track cassete, moved to a Tascam 38 1/2",
eventually replaced it with a couple af DA-38s and then PARIS.

My first question is...where would you all go from here? I will eventually
need some nice converters. Should I buy a Lynx Aurora or Appogee DA and
AD-16x now (I have a big ben and it makes a noticable difference with the
stock PARIS converters). Has anyone compared either to the stock converters
at 44.1 with a good clock? How would that integrate with the ADAT module at
only 20bit? (I noticed one of you all mentioning having to dither every
track to 20 bit).

Maybe I should use what I have now, then when I'm ready, move to something
like a Nyquist RADAR and a real board? SX or Nuendo just seems more tempting
because I'm half way there, and only need the converters, but I sure like
the idea of a closed system such as RADAR or even the new TASCAM 48 track.
The problem is I am sometimes frustrated with PARIS as it seems to have some
issues with routing sound when I don't tell it to (I was recently doing a
drum sub using an auxilary mix to two new tracks and I was getting aux
bleed, even when no auxilary send was active). It's stuff like that that
just makes me drop what I'm doing and go eat a doughnut or something.

Anyway, sorry if this post is a little confused, but I AM a little confused
right now. Maybe I just need to vent a little bit, but hopefully a
benificial discussion can come of this.

Thanks,

Joey BeeMy CD player in my truck crapped out last week. I haven't
Re: Adat sync can this send sample accurate sync ? [message #58024 is a reply to message #58010] Fri, 09 September 2005 05:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rod Lincoln is currently offline  Rod Lincoln
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>
>>>Arrrgggghhh!!!!!!! the time I've wasted on this POS!!!!
>>>
>>>;oP
>>>
>>
>>Hmmmmm......I figured it would impart *smooth transient response and tape
warmth*.......sort of like an Empriical Labs Fatso.

;oP

"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43216d5a@linux...
> duh, the heads on the tape deck are killing you. I thought you knew
better.
> John
>
> rick wrote:
> > so...how does this disprove the subject line? all i got out of it is
> > that your ears work fine.
> >
> > ;o)
> >
> > On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 23:37:53 -0600, "DJ"
> > <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>My CD player in my truck crapped out last week. I haven't had tome to
get it
> >>fixed so I bought one of those crappy things that plug into the
cigarette
> >>lighter and use a cassette tape. I've been trying to use it as a
reference
> >>for some burns. the converters are sooooooooo bad that I've been driving
> >>myself nuts trying to tame the 10k range with no luck. I just figured
iout
> >>that it sucks on just about every commercial CD I have here too.
> >>
> >>Arrrgggghhh!!!!!!! the time I've wasted on this POS!!!!
> >>
> >>;oP
> >>
> >
> >It's a cool marketing ploy to get people to avoid buying CD's. It's probably
working too.


"tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net> wrote in message news:4321ad16@linux...
> Fucking Weird !! Of course it was done by people who don't even need the
> money....
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:431fb0a6@linux...
> > The following was posted by a member of the RME user's forum:
> >
> > >Beware of new CD's that automatically install copywrite protection
> software
> > onto your computer i.e...enhanced CD's. Some of these newer Cd's
install
> > Media-Max software which loads all sorts of drivers and crap onto your
> > computer. I experienced this after buying Babyface "grown and sexy".
The
> > main culprit for my stuttering Fireface was a driver named sbcphid.sys.
I
> > found this out by finding the following link.
> > http://www.cs.princeton.
Re: Adat sync can this send sample accurate sync ? [message #58025 is a reply to message #58009] Fri, 09 September 2005 08:20 Go to previous message
Deej [1] is currently offline  Deej [1]   UNITED STATES
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edu/~jhalderm/cd3/
> >
> > This driver is designed to prevent unauthorized copying of audio CDs
using
> > personal computers. MediaMax interferes with audio copying by
installing
> a
> > device driver the first time software from the CD is executed. It's
> > supposed to make the ripped tracks stutter thus leaving them unusable.
On
> > my system it also made my Fireface driver crazy. I couldn't even play
my
> > older cd's which I bought without skips and stutters. To make a long
> story
> > short I had to get a link from the SunnComm Technologies that
uninstalled
> > the software and then (They didn't tell me this) delete the sbcphid.sys
> > driver from my device manager which the uninstall left behind. This
file
> is
> > hidden so you have to select the view hidden devices option in the
device
> > manager window. MediaMax and similar copy-prevention systems are
> > irreparably flawed and believe record companies should find more
> > customer-friendly alternatives for reducing infringement. I hope this
> helps
> > anyone else having problems similar to mine.<
> >
> > Just a heads up guys.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>I was speaking of the French government, not so much, people that are french,
although the people of France did elect Chirac. For Cojo to in effect say
that the french where right, is wrong! The French undermined the purpose
of UN and UN resolutions by selling arms to Saddam and buying oil from Iraq
under the table.

I personally think what the french did was shameful and corrupt. Their dirty
oil deal with Saddam, made the sacrifice of cost and lives lost in the 1991
Gulf War, in vain. The truth is, France along with Germany, Russia, and
China, tried to stop the invasion to keep their dirty little oil deal and
arms deals going. That's the truth and now we know it. It's too bad that
some people wont let the truth get in the way of their liberal opinion.


When Iraq broke the treaties and forced the UN weapons inspectors out in
1997, we should have immediately invaded. It's too bad Clinton was too busy
trying to cop a hummer in the White House and selling our pulse weapons technology
to the Chinese to do something about Saddam. Now we have to deal with it.

The French also knew that we would probably be going in to Iraq and st
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