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| Ok too many decisions need help please [message #80009] |
Tue, 13 February 2007 16:39  |
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brandon[2]
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I have $800 burning a hole in my pocket.
I will have two Motu 8pres which will give me 16
mic pre channels etc...
I also have two dbx586s that I am considering selling.
I would want to replace the dbxs with a higher grade tube preamp for a "golden
channel".
However there are other things I like too.
Things I am considering are:
Universal Audio SOLO/610
UAD dsp card project pak
More microphones (current inventory- 2-akg414, 1 cad VX2, 1-behrngermeasurement
mic, 2or3-sm57, 2-Rode NT5, 1 Shure beta52)
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| Re: Ok too many decisions need help please [message #80013 is a reply to message #80009] |
Tue, 13 February 2007 18:10  |
neil[1]
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OOOOH! We get to spend someone else's money for them! lol
OK, at first glance, you need more mics. Actually it really
depends on what you want to do or are trying to accomplish that
should determine what you buy next that might get you closer
to that end, but I'm going on the fact that awhile ago you said
you wanted to start bringing outside work into your place; and
if that's still the case, you definitely need more mics if
you're going to try & record a full group of any kind in
any genre. I think the 3-or-4-mic drumkit thang is not practical
in every application, so bearing that in mind, if I were you
(and I'm not, but if I was) I would think about something along
the lines of the following setup:
Kick = Beta 52 (which you currently own)
Snare = SM57 (which you currently own)
Hat = (I suppose you could use that Behr Omni)
Tom1 = Need something for at least 3 Toms
Tom2 = See above
Tom3 = See above
OH's = Your two 414's or the NT5's (you already have)
Room = NT5's or the 414's (you already have)
Those Behr Omni's are crap, frankly - I had a pair for awhile &
shitcanned 'em... very noisy, but you may as well use it on
hat, as I can't imagine anything else they'd be good for, and
hey for $49 it's not like you've invested a lot in it. You
don't "need" a separate hi-hat mic, of course, as often you can
pick up enough hats in the OH's, but it's nice to have a
separate track of that for imaging; so stick it on hats & make
it earn its keep.
This leaves you, as of right now, short some tom mics, and with
one or two SM57's (not sure which # of those you said you have),
so you could single-mic a guitar or maybe two - do those DBX
586's have a DI on each channel? If so, then you can take a
bass guitar direct. So go buy 3 or 4 Audix D2's, 3's or 4's,
whichever you like best, for toms & an Audix i5 for another
instrument mic or scratch vox unless you want to let the CAD
hang in there for scratch trax, too. In either case, there's
about $800 worth of Audix Dynamics that'll pay for themselves
real quick-like & which you'll immediately appreciate the
sound of.
You've got some halfway-decent SDC's, and a couple of good
LDC's so if you need to record stuff like acoustic instruments
you could likely get by just fine with what you have in a lot
of cases. Ideally, you could prolly use a couple more vocal mics
& mic pres of different colorations, but add just a few
dynamics & you really do have enough to at least get rolling.
Now, if that's NOT what you want to do, and you really want one
"golden channel" of something, I'm gonna tellya, it DOESN'T
have to be tube, as you mentioned you were considering.
When you say "golden channel" I assume you're
meaning: "something magic for vocals", and if you haven't heard
a Chandler TG2 on any number of vocal mics, you're missing out -
it ain't tube, and there are no EQ's or compressors on that box,
either. However - you're not gonna get into one (nor are you
going to be able to find a "golden channel" tube strip) for the
$800 that's burning a hole in your pocket, plus whatever you
can get for the 586's.
Anyway if recording outside artistes is what you want to do,
personally, I think you should build up your recording
capabilities equipment-wise, before you worry about mix stuff
like UAD cards & whatnot. Much better to be able to provide
your clients a damn good mix, well-recorded, than a fancy-
schmancy mix that started out with compromised tracks.
Neil
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
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>I have $800 burning a hole in my pocket.
>I will have two Motu 8pres which will give me 16
>mic pre channels etc...
>I also have two dbx586s that I am considering selling.
>I would want to replace the dbxs with a higher grade tube preamp for a "golden
>channel".
>However there are other things I like too.
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>Things I am considering are:
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>Universal Audio SOLO/610
>UAD dsp card project pak
>More microphones (current inventory- 2-akg414, 1 cad VX2, 1-behrngermeasurement
>mic, 2or3-sm57, 2-Rode NT5, 1 Shure beta52)
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| Re: Ok too many decisions need help please [message #80016 is a reply to message #80009] |
Tue, 13 February 2007 17:30 |
Deej [4]
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Microphones are a huge part of the equation, but first things
first.....how's your room? That's where I would definitely start. If your
room needs help, that's the place to put your money. If your existing
preamps can give you a clean, undistorted signal, the 2nd thing on my list
would be microphones. Given a decent preamp to work with, a great microphone
with a neutral preamp is going to provide you more in the way versatility
than a great preamp and a mediocre (or inappropriate for the source)
microphone..
Just my $0.02
Deej
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:45d24c3c$1@linux...
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> I have $800 burning a hole in my pocket.
> I will have two Motu 8pres which will give me 16
> mic pre channels etc...
> I also have two dbx586s that I am considering selling.
> I would want to replace the dbxs with a higher grade tube preamp for a
> "golden
> channel".
> However there are other things I like too.
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> Things I am considering are:
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> Universal Audio SOLO/610
> UAD dsp card project pak
> More microphones (current inventory- 2-akg414, 1 cad VX2,
> 1-behrngermeasurement
> mic, 2or3-sm57, 2-Rode NT5, 1 Shure beta52)
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| Re: Ok too many decisions need help please [message #80018 is a reply to message #80016] |
Tue, 13 February 2007 18:38 |
brandon[2]
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So DJ would you catagorize the dbx586 or the Motu preamps as
decent? Or decenter than the other?
I think my room is good.
Nice lage wood floor, vaulted ceilings and 1 other smaller tracking room
with carpet. My mix position is pretty good (tunes) as well.
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>first.....how's your room? That's where I would definitely start. If your
>room needs help, that's the place to put your money. If your existing
>preamps can give you a clean, undistorted signal, the 2nd thing on my list
>would be microphones. Given a decent preamp to work with, a great microphone
>with a neutral preamp is going to provide you more in the way versatility
>than a great preamp and a mediocre (or inappropriate for the source)
>microphone..
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>Just my $0.02
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>Deej
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>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:45d24c3c$1@linux...
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>> I have $800 burning a hole in my pocket.
>> I will have two Motu 8pres which will give me 16
>> mic pre channels etc...
>> I also have two dbx586s that I am considering selling.
>> I would want to replace the dbxs with a higher grade tube preamp for a
>> "golden
>> channel".
>> However there are other things I like too.
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>> Things I am considering are:
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>> Universal Audio SOLO/610
>> UAD dsp card project pak
>> More microphones (current inventory- 2-akg414, 1 cad VX2,
>> 1-behrngermeasurement
>> mic, 2or3-sm57, 2-Rode NT5, 1 Shure beta52)
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| Re: Ok too many decisions need help please [message #80020 is a reply to message #80018] |
Tue, 13 February 2007 18:13 |
Deej [4]
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I've never heard either one of these preamps so I can't say. What do your
ears tell you?
"Brandon" <A@a.com> wrote in message news:45d2682a$1@linux...
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> So DJ would you catagorize the dbx586 or the Motu preamps as
> decent? Or decenter than the other?
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> I think my room is good.
> Nice lage wood floor, vaulted ceilings and 1 other smaller tracking room
> with carpet. My mix position is pretty good (tunes) as well.
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> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>first.....how's your room? That's where I would definitely start. If your
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>>room needs help, that's the place to put your money. If your existing
>>preamps can give you a clean, undistorted signal, the 2nd thing on my list
>
>>would be microphones. Given a decent preamp to work with, a great
>>microphone
>
>>with a neutral preamp is going to provide you more in the way versatility
>
>>than a great preamp and a mediocre (or inappropriate for the source)
>>microphone..
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>>Just my $0.02
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>>Deej
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>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:45d24c3c$1@linux...
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>>> I have $800 burning a hole in my pocket.
>>> I will have two Motu 8pres which will give me 16
>>> mic pre channels etc...
>>> I also have two dbx586s that I am considering selling.
>>> I would want to replace the dbxs with a higher grade tube preamp for a
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>>> "golden
>>> channel".
>>> However there are other things I like too.
>>>
>>> Things I am considering are:
>>>
>>> Universal Audio SOLO/610
>>> UAD dsp card project pak
>>> More microphones (current inventory- 2-akg414, 1 cad VX2,
>>> 1-behrngermeasurement
>>> mic, 2or3-sm57, 2-Rode NT5, 1 Shure beta52)
>>>
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| Re: Ok too many decisions need help please [message #80021 is a reply to message #80020] |
Tue, 13 February 2007 19:22 |
brandon[2]
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I havent heard the Motu either.
I decided to get it souly for its diversity.
I am thinking I will sell one dbx for now and get an SM7B
like TC suggested.
Also pick up some tom mics like Neil suggested.
B
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>I've never heard either one of these preamps so I can't say. What do your
>ears tell you?
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>"Brandon" <A@a.com> wrote in message news:45d2682a$1@linux...
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>> So DJ would you catagorize the dbx586 or the Motu preamps as
>> decent? Or decenter than the other?
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>> I think my room is good.
>> Nice lage wood floor, vaulted ceilings and 1 other smaller tracking room
>> with carpet. My mix position is pretty good (tunes) as well.
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>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>first.....how's your room? That's where I would definitely start. If your
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>>>room needs help, that's the place to put your money. If your existing
>>>preamps can give you a clean, undistorted signal, the 2nd thing on my
list
>>
>>>would be microphones. Given a decent preamp to work with, a great
>>>microphone
>>
>>>with a neutral preamp is going to provide you more in the way versatility
>>
>>>than a great preamp and a mediocre (or inappropriate for the source)
>>>microphone..
>>>
>>>Just my $0.02
>>>
>>>Deej
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>>>
>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:45d24c3c$1@linux...
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>>>> I have $800 burning a hole in my pocket.
>>>> I will have two Motu 8pres which will give me 16
>>>> mic pre channels etc...
>>>> I also have two dbx586s that I am considering selling.
>>>> I would want to replace the dbxs with a higher grade tube preamp for
a
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>>>> "golden
>>>> channel".
>>>> However there are other things I like too.
>>>>
>>>> Things I am considering are:
>>>>
>>>> Universal Audio SOLO/610
>>>> UAD dsp card project pak
>>>> More microphones (current inventory- 2-akg414, 1 cad VX2,
>>>> 1-behrngermeasurement
>>>> mic, 2or3-sm57, 2-Rode NT5, 1 Shure beta52)
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| Re: Ok too many decisions need help please [message #80031 is a reply to message #80013] |
Tue, 13 February 2007 21:39 |
TC
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Neil wrote:
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> Now, if that's NOT what you want to do, and you really want one
> "golden channel" of something, I'm gonna tellya, it DOESN'T
> have to be tube, as you mentioned you were considering.
> When you say "golden channel" I assume you're
> meaning: "something magic for vocals", and if you haven't heard
> a Chandler TG2 on any number of vocal mics, you're missing out -
> it ain't tube, and there are no EQ's or compressors on that box,
> either. However - you're not gonna get into one (nor are you
> going to be able to find a "golden channel" tube strip) for the
> $800 that's burning a hole in your pocket, plus whatever you
> can get for the 586's.
What Neil said about toobs.
I have UA, Avalon and API 512c's. The API's can be really cool with the SM7b for vocals, really punchy and upfront, it all depends on what you want.
The SM7 also likes a pre with lots of gain, so you might not get the most out of it with a cheaper pre that's noisy.
The UA610 is great for a bit more tubey color. I don't use the Avalon nearly as much as the UA. The API's are my new favorites though.
I'm really happy with the API lunchbox 500 route, since it can be cheaper once you have the lunchbox purchased, but it would be looking at around
$11-1200 for one channel preamp including the lunchbox.
For mics you can't go wrong with a SM7b though, you will never sell it, and it will be your best choice on certain vocalists for certain tracks.
Cheers,
TC
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| Re: Ok too many decisions need help please [message #80044 is a reply to message #80021] |
Wed, 14 February 2007 08:51 |
Rich[3]
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Tom Mikes Hmmm- I posted a question a while back and it seems the standard
is still MD421 or 57's on high toms - I've been using 57's as they are cheep
- take a beating and you can use them live also - but have been thinking
of picking up two SP B1's (or b3's) for them as a alternate... it was sugested
to try a C1 on floor tom - I have one so I tryed that and liked it also.
Just have to trust the drummer not to wack them or record before the beer
is opened :) but they are about the same price as a 57 these days - go figure...
Let us know what you pick and how you like them.
"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
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>I havent heard the Motu either.
>I decided to get it souly for its diversity.
>I am thinking I will sell one dbx for now and get an SM7B
>like TC suggested.
>Also pick up some tom mics like Neil suggested.
>
>B
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>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>I've never heard either one of these preamps so I can't say. What do your
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>>ears tell you?
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>>"Brandon" <A@a.com> wrote in message news:45d2682a$1@linux...
>>>
>>> So DJ would you catagorize the dbx586 or the Motu preamps as
>>> decent? Or decenter than the other?
>>>
>>> I think my room is good.
>>> Nice lage wood floor, vaulted ceilings and 1 other smaller tracking room
>>> with carpet. My mix position is pretty good (tunes) as well.
>>>
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>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>first.....how's your room? That's where I would definitely start. If
your
>>>
>>>>room needs help, that's the place to put your money. If your existing
>>>>preamps can give you a clean, undistorted signal, the 2nd thing on my
>list
>>>
>>>>would be microphones. Given a decent preamp to work with, a great
>>>>microphone
>>>
>>>>with a neutral preamp is going to provide you more in the way versatility
>>>
>>>>than a great preamp and a mediocre (or inappropriate for the source)
>>>>microphone..
>>>>
>>>>Just my $0.02
>>>>
>>>>Deej
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:45d24c3c$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> I have $800 burning a hole in my pocket.
>>>>> I will have two Motu 8pres which will give me 16
>>>>> mic pre channels etc...
>>>>> I also have two dbx586s that I am considering selling.
>>>>> I would want to replace the dbxs with a higher grade tube preamp for
>a
>>>
>>>>> "golden
>>>>> channel".
>>>>> However there are other things I like too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Things I am considering are:
>>>>>
>>>>> Universal Audio SOLO/610
>>>>> UAD dsp card project pak
>>>>> More microphones (current inventory- 2-akg414, 1 cad VX2,
>>>>> 1-behrngermeasurement
>>>>> mic, 2or3-sm57, 2-Rode NT5, 1 Shure beta52)
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| Re: Ok too many decisions need help please [message #80046 is a reply to message #80044] |
Wed, 14 February 2007 08:06 |
brandon[2]
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wELL i AM dialing back a bit.
You know how your not supposed to go shopping on an empty stomach.
I think that is what I was doing.
All I could see was new gadgets and toys....
I am going to keep my dbxs for now.
I will then take the $300 and pick up 3 cheap mics like SM57s or the like.
I will put those on Toms and use for extras like guitar cabs.
I can always sell a dbx later and pick up a SM7B later.
I am going to have to do a clean install on my comp to get all the garbage
off it and start fresh with Cubase.
I also need to pick up another gig of memory.
So sorry for the disappointing end to this thread, but
I got to be practical.
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Thanks,
Brandon
"Rich " <studiodog_99@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:45d32ff7$1@linux...
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> Tom Mikes Hmmm- I posted a question a while back and it seems the standard
> is still MD421 or 57's on high toms - I've been using 57's as they are
> cheep
> - take a beating and you can use them live also - but have been thinking
> of picking up two SP B1's (or b3's) for them as a alternate... it was
> sugested
> to try a C1 on floor tom - I have one so I tryed that and liked it also.
> Just have to trust the drummer not to wack them or record before the beer
> is opened :) but they are about the same price as a 57 these days - go
> figure...
> Let us know what you pick and how you like them.
>
> "Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
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>>I havent heard the Motu either.
>>I decided to get it souly for its diversity.
>>I am thinking I will sell one dbx for now and get an SM7B
>>like TC suggested.
>>Also pick up some tom mics like Neil suggested.
>>
>>B
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>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>I've never heard either one of these preamps so I can't say. What do your
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>>>ears tell you?
>>>
>>>
>>>"Brandon" <A@a.com> wrote in message news:45d2682a$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> So DJ would you catagorize the dbx586 or the Motu preamps as
>>>> decent? Or decenter than the other?
>>>>
>>>> I think my room is good.
>>>> Nice lage wood floor, vaulted ceilings and 1 other smaller tracking
>>>> room
>>>> with carpet. My mix position is pretty good (tunes) as well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>first.....how's your room? That's where I would definitely start. If
> your
>>>>
>>>>>room needs help, that's the place to put your money. If your existing
>>>>>preamps can give you a clean, undistorted signal, the 2nd thing on my
>>list
>>>>
>>>>>would be microphones. Given a decent preamp to work with, a great
>>>>>microphone
>>>>
>>>>>with a neutral preamp is going to provide you more in the way
>>>>>versatility
>>>>
>>>>>than a great preamp and a mediocre (or inappropriate for the source)
>>>>>microphone..
>>>>>
>>>>>Just my $0.02
>>>>>
>>>>>Deej
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:45d24c3c$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have $800 burning a hole in my pocket.
>>>>>> I will have two Motu 8pres which will give me 16
>>>>>> mic pre channels etc...
>>>>>> I also have two dbx586s that I am considering selling.
>>>>>> I would want to replace the dbxs with a higher grade tube preamp for
>>a
>>>>
>>>>>> "golden
>>>>>> channel".
>>>>>> However there are other things I like too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Things I am considering are:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Universal Audio SOLO/610
>>>>>> UAD dsp card project pak
>>>>>> More microphones (current inventory- 2-akg414, 1 cad VX2,
>>>>>> 1-behrngermeasurement
>>>>>> mic, 2or3-sm57, 2-Rode NT5, 1 Shure beta52)
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| Re: Ok too many decisions need help please [message #80051 is a reply to message #80050] |
Wed, 14 February 2007 08:39 |
brandon[2]
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I like the idea of the 8 pres cause they have phantom power on all 8
channels.
Not like the other... Uhh ....Presonus I think.... I forget...... that has
phantom power on only 4 channels.
The Motu 8 pre will be my comp sound card as well via firewire.
It is supposedly supposed to have a 1.6ms latency from analog in to analog
out. certainly more
during playback, but we'll see how it works.
I can daisy chain the two together and I would rather keep it simple at
first (same hardware)
for compatibility purposes. I can always switch things around later.
--
Thanks,
Brandon
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:45d33a57$1@linux...
> Coincidentelly I was going to look at those. Audix i5's.
> I went on sweetwater and read the reviews for the SM57
> to get an idea of what other people were comparing them too
> and the Audix i5 was mentioned.
> Ok I will pick up some Audixi5's.
> I may pick up:
> 1 - Audix i5
> 1 - Audix D4
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>
> --
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon
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>
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> "Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45d3365a$1@linux...
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>> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>wELL i AM dialing back a bit.
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>> NOOOOOOO! Spend all you have, and THEN SOME... it's the ONLY
>> WAY!!! :D
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>>>I will then take the $300 and pick up 3 cheap mics like SM57s or the
>>>like.
>>>I will put those on Toms and use for extras like guitar cabs.
>>
>> OK, but if you must limit yourself to that price point, I am
>> going to insist that you buy at least a couple Audix i5's
>> instead... yes, I'm insisting - I won't let you do otherwise :)
>> These things blow away 57's for guitar & snare, and plus you
>> already have some 57's... GET SOME DIFFERENT VOICINGS GOING!
>>
>> Seriously - think about getting some different colors happening -
>> what David said about going with only one MOTU Preamp set & one
>> of another brand/tonality makes sense (I thought you already HAD
>> the two MOTU boxes). Otherwise, you'd really be better off
>> getting a halfway-decent small-format console (more
>> routing/monitoring capabilities, plus all same-sounding preamps).
>>
>> Neil
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| Re: Ok too many decisions need help please [message #80058 is a reply to message #80051] |
Wed, 14 February 2007 10:16 |
brandon[2]
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Ok....Morgan and I got on the subject of the Presonus also..
I may do as you guys suggested.
Get 1 presonus and 1 8pre. I will connect the presonus to the ADAT
of the 8 pre.
Sound better?
--
Thanks,
Brandon
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:45d33b7e@linux...
>I like the idea of the 8 pres cause they have phantom power on all 8
>channels.
> Not like the other... Uhh ....Presonus I think.... I forget...... that has
> phantom power on only 4 channels.
> The Motu 8 pre will be my comp sound card as well via firewire.
> It is supposedly supposed to have a 1.6ms latency from analog in to analog
> out. certainly more
> during playback, but we'll see how it works.
> I can daisy chain the two together and I would rather keep it simple at
> first (same hardware)
> for compatibility purposes. I can always switch things around later.
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon
>
>
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> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:45d33a57$1@linux...
>> Coincidentelly I was going to look at those. Audix i5's.
>> I went on sweetwater and read the reviews for the SM57
>> to get an idea of what other people were comparing them too
>> and the Audix i5 was mentioned.
>> Ok I will pick up some Audixi5's.
>> I may pick up:
>> 1 - Audix i5
>> 1 - Audix D4
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brandon
>>
>>
>>
>> "Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45d3365a$1@linux...
>>>
>>> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>wELL i AM dialing back a bit.
>>>
>>> NOOOOOOO! Spend all you have, and THEN SOME... it's the ONLY
>>> WAY!!! :D
>>>
>>>>I will then take the $300 and pick up 3 cheap mics like SM57s or the
>>>>like.
>>>>I will put those on Toms and use for extras like guitar cabs.
>>>
>>> OK, but if you must limit yourself to that price point, I am
>>> going to insist that you buy at least a couple Audix i5's
>>> instead... yes, I'm insisting - I won't let you do otherwise :)
>>> These things blow away 57's for guitar & snare, and plus you
>>> already have some 57's... GET SOME DIFFERENT VOICINGS GOING!
>>>
>>> Seriously - think about getting some different colors happening -
>>> what David said about going with only one MOTU Preamp set & one
>>> of another brand/tonality makes sense (I thought you already HAD
>>> the two MOTU boxes). Otherwise, you'd really be better off
>>> getting a halfway-decent small-format console (more
>>> routing/monitoring capabilities, plus all same-sounding preamps).
>>>
>>> Neil
>>
>>
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| Re: Ok too many decisions need help please [message #80060 is a reply to message #80058] |
Wed, 14 February 2007 11:29 |
pauln[2]
Messages: 28
Registered: September 2007
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How about a small 8 channel mixer as mentioned before?
Soundcraft makes some pretty decent smooth sounding pre's in your price range.
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>Ok....Morgan and I got on the subject of the Presonus also..
>I may do as you guys suggested.
>Get 1 presonus and 1 8pre. I will connect the presonus to the ADAT
>of the 8 pre.
>Sound better?
>
>
>--
>Thanks,
>
>Brandon
>
>
>
>
>
>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:45d33b7e@linux...
>>I like the idea of the 8 pres cause they have phantom power on all 8
>>channels.
>> Not like the other... Uhh ....Presonus I think.... I forget...... that
has
>> phantom power on only 4 channels.
>> The Motu 8 pre will be my comp sound card as well via firewire.
>> It is supposedly supposed to have a 1.6ms latency from analog in to analog
>> out. certainly more
>> during playback, but we'll see how it works.
>> I can daisy chain the two together and I would rather keep it simple at
>> first (same hardware)
>> for compatibility purposes. I can always switch things around later.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brandon
>>
>>
>>
>> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:45d33a57$1@linux...
>>> Coincidentelly I was going to look at those. Audix i5's.
>>> I went on sweetwater and read the reviews for the SM57
>>> to get an idea of what other people were comparing them too
>>> and the Audix i5 was mentioned.
>>> Ok I will pick up some Audixi5's.
>>> I may pick up:
>>> 1 - Audix i5
>>> 1 - Audix D4
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Brandon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45d3365a$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>wELL i AM dialing back a bit.
>>>>
>>>> NOOOOOOO! Spend all you have, and THEN SOME... it's the ONLY
>>>> WAY!!! :D
>>>>
>>>>>I will then take the $300 and pick up 3 cheap mics like SM57s or the
>>>>>like.
>>>>>I will put those on Toms and use for extras like guitar cabs.
>>>>
>>>> OK, but if you must limit yourself to that price point, I am
>>>> going to insist that you buy at least a couple Audix i5's
>>>> instead... yes, I'm insisting - I won't let you do otherwise :)
>>>> These things blow away 57's for guitar & snare, and plus you
>>>> already have some 57's... GET SOME DIFFERENT VOICINGS GOING!
>>>>
>>>> Seriously - think about getting some different colors happening -
>>>> what David said about going with only one MOTU Preamp set & one
>>>> of another brand/tonality makes sense (I thought you already HAD
>>>> the two MOTU boxes). Otherwise, you'd really be better off
>>>> getting a halfway-decent small-format console (more
>>>> routing/monitoring capabilities, plus all same-sounding preamps).
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Ok too many decisions need help please [message #80066 is a reply to message #80060] |
Wed, 14 February 2007 15:49 |
steve the artguy
Messages: 308
Registered: June 2005
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Senior Member |
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nowhere do I see mention of the most unnecessary item all studios need desparately
-- a mural!
-steve
sorry. I couldn't help myself....
"PaulN" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>How about a small 8 channel mixer as mentioned before?
>Soundcraft makes some pretty decent smooth sounding pre's in your price
range.
>
>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>Ok....Morgan and I got on the subject of the Presonus also..
>>I may do as you guys suggested.
>>Get 1 presonus and 1 8pre. I will connect the presonus to the ADAT
>>of the 8 pre.
>>Sound better?
>>
>>
>>--
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Brandon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:45d33b7e@linux...
>>>I like the idea of the 8 pres cause they have phantom power on all 8
>>>channels.
>>> Not like the other... Uhh ....Presonus I think.... I forget...... that
>has
>>> phantom power on only 4 channels.
>>> The Motu 8 pre will be my comp sound card as well via firewire.
>>> It is supposedly supposed to have a 1.6ms latency from analog in to analog
>
>>> out. certainly more
>>> during playback, but we'll see how it works.
>>> I can daisy chain the two together and I would rather keep it simple
at
>
>>> first (same hardware)
>>> for compatibility purposes. I can always switch things around later.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Brandon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:45d33a57$1@linux...
>>>> Coincidentelly I was going to look at those. Audix i5's.
>>>> I went on sweetwater and read the reviews for the SM57
>>>> to get an idea of what other people were comparing them too
>>>> and the Audix i5 was mentioned.
>>>> Ok I will pick up some Audixi5's.
>>>> I may pick up:
>>>> 1 - Audix i5
>>>> 1 - Audix D4
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Brandon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45d3365a$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>wELL i AM dialing back a bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> NOOOOOOO! Spend all you have, and THEN SOME... it's the ONLY
>>>>> WAY!!! :D
>>>>>
>>>>>>I will then take the $300 and pick up 3 cheap mics like SM57s or the
>
>>>>>>like.
>>>>>>I will put those on Toms and use for extras like guitar cabs.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, but if you must limit yourself to that price point, I am
>>>>> going to insist that you buy at least a couple Audix i5's
>>>>> instead... yes, I'm insisting - I won't let you do otherwise :)
>>>>> These things blow away 57's for guitar & snare, and plus you
>>>>> already have some 57's... GET SOME DIFFERENT VOICINGS GOING!
>>>>>
>>>>> Seriously - think about getting some different colors happening -
>>>>> what David said about going with only one MOTU Preamp set & one
>>>>> of another brand/tonality makes sense (I thought you already HAD
>>>>> the two MOTU boxes). Otherwise, you'd really be better off
>>>>> getting a halfway-decent small-format console (more
>>>>> routing/monitoring capabilities, plus all same-sounding preamps).
>>>>>
>>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Ok too many decisions need help please [message #80093 is a reply to message #80066] |
Thu, 15 February 2007 06:24 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
Registered: July 2005
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Senior Member |
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I tried, but I painted myself into a corner. Good thing there's a computer
here!
Chuck
"steve the artguy" <artguy@somethingorother.net> wrote:
>
>nowhere do I see mention of the most unnecessary item all studios need desparately
>-- a mural!
>
>-steve
>
>sorry. I couldn't help myself....
>
>
>"PaulN" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>How about a small 8 channel mixer as mentioned before?
>>Soundcraft makes some pretty decent smooth sounding pre's in your price
>range.
>>
>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>Ok....Morgan and I got on the subject of the Presonus also..
>>>I may do as you guys suggested.
>>>Get 1 presonus and 1 8pre. I will connect the presonus to the ADAT
>>>of the 8 pre.
>>>Sound better?
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Brandon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:45d33b7e@linux...
>>>>I like the idea of the 8 pres cause they have phantom power on all 8
>>>>channels.
>>>> Not like the other... Uhh ....Presonus I think.... I forget...... that
>>has
>>>> phantom power on only 4 channels.
>>>> The Motu 8 pre will be my comp sound card as well via firewire.
>>>> It is supposedly supposed to have a 1.6ms latency from analog in to
analog
>>
>>>> out. certainly more
>>>> during playback, but we'll see how it works.
>>>> I can daisy chain the two together and I would rather keep it simple
>at
>>
>>>> first (same hardware)
>>>> for compatibility purposes. I can always switch things around later.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Brandon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:45d33a57$1@linux...
>>>>> Coincidentelly I was going to look at those. Audix i5's.
>>>>> I went on sweetwater and read the reviews for the SM57
>>>>> to get an idea of what other people were comparing them too
>>>>> and the Audix i5 was mentioned.
>>>>> Ok I will pick up some Audixi5's.
>>>>> I may pick up:
>>>>> 1 - Audix i5
>>>>> 1 - Audix D4
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Brandon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45d3365a$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>wELL i AM dialing back a bit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NOOOOOOO! Spend all you have, and THEN SOME... it's the ONLY
>>>>>> WAY!!! :D
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I will then take the $300 and pick up 3 cheap mics like SM57s or the
>>
>>>>>>>like.
>>>>>>>I will put those on Toms and use for extras like guitar cabs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, but if you must limit yourself to that price point, I am
>>>>>> going to insist that you buy at least a couple Audix i5's
>>>>>> instead... yes, I'm insisting - I won't let you do otherwise :)
>>>>>> These things blow away 57's for guitar & snare, and plus you
>>>>>> already have some 57's... GET SOME DIFFERENT VOICINGS GOING!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seriously - think about getting some different colors happening -
>>>>>> what David said about going with only one MOTU Preamp set & one
>>>>>> of another brand/tonality makes sense (I thought you already HAD
>>>>>> the two MOTU boxes). Otherwise, you'd really be better off
>>>>>> getting a halfway-decent small-format console (more
>>>>>> routing/monitoring capabilities, plus all same-sounding preamps).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Ok too many decisions need help please [message #80143 is a reply to message #80093] |
Thu, 15 February 2007 22:20 |
steve the artguy
Messages: 308
Registered: June 2005
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Senior Member |
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and, apparently, an internet connection!
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>I tried, but I painted myself into a corner. Good thing there's a computer
>here!
>
>Chuck
>"steve the artguy" <artguy@somethingorother.net> wrote:
>>
>>nowhere do I see mention of the most unnecessary item all studios need
desparately
>>-- a mural!
>>
>>-steve
>>
>>sorry. I couldn't help myself....
>>
>>
>>"PaulN" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>How about a small 8 channel mixer as mentioned before?
>>>Soundcraft makes some pretty decent smooth sounding pre's in your price
>>range.
>>>
>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>Ok....Morgan and I got on the subject of the Presonus also..
>>>>I may do as you guys suggested.
>>>>Get 1 presonus and 1 8pre. I will connect the presonus to the ADAT
>>>>of the 8 pre.
>>>>Sound better?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>Brandon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:45d33b7e@linux...
>>>>>I like the idea of the 8 pres cause they have phantom power on all 8
>
>>>>>channels.
>>>>> Not like the other... Uhh ....Presonus I think.... I forget...... that
>>>has
>>>>> phantom power on only 4 channels.
>>>>> The Motu 8 pre will be my comp sound card as well via firewire.
>>>>> It is supposedly supposed to have a 1.6ms latency from analog in to
>analog
>>>
>>>>> out. certainly more
>>>>> during playback, but we'll see how it works.
>>>>> I can daisy chain the two together and I would rather keep it simple
>>at
>>>
>>>>> first (same hardware)
>>>>> for compatibility purposes. I can always switch things around later.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Brandon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:45d33a57$1@linux...
>>>>>> Coincidentelly I was going to look at those. Audix i5's.
>>>>>> I went on sweetwater and read the reviews for the SM57
>>>>>> to get an idea of what other people were comparing them too
>>>>>> and the Audix i5 was mentioned.
>>>>>> Ok I will pick up some Audixi5's.
>>>>>> I may pick up:
>>>>>> 1 - Audix i5
>>>>>> 1 - Audix D4
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brandon
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45d3365a$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>wELL i AM dialing back a bit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NOOOOOOO! Spend all you have, and THEN SOME... it's the ONLY
>>>>>>> WAY!!! :D
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I will then take the $300 and pick up 3 cheap mics like SM57s or
the
>>>
>>>>>>>>like.
>>>>>>>>I will put those on Toms and use for extras like guitar cabs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, but if you must limit yourself to that price point, I am
>>>>>>> going to insist that you buy at least a couple Audix i5's
>>>>>>> instead... yes, I'm insisting - I won't let you do otherwise :)
>>>>>>> These things blow away 57's for guitar & snare, and plus you
>>>>>>> already have some 57's... GET SOME DIFFERENT VOICINGS GOING!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seriously - think about getting some different colors happening -
>>>>>>> what David said about going with only one MOTU Preamp set & one
>>>>>>> of another brand/tonality makes sense (I thought you already HAD
>>>>>>> the two MOTU boxes). Otherwise, you'd really be better off
>>>>>>> getting a halfway-decent small-format console (more
>>>>>>> routing/monitoring capabilities, plus all same-sounding preamps).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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