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| Re: paris converters now... [message #103673 is a reply to message #103672] |
Tue, 07 July 2009 11:50   |
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What you call "degradation", others call "mojo" 
PARIS convertors were excellent for the day, but even in 1998 they weren't considered the "top of the line" like Apogee - although they were closer to that quality than many of the other offerings of that day (can you say "AudioWerks 8"? Pfeh). I like the slight "mojo" myself (my ear hears it as "musical and pleasing") but it's not "crystalline and pure".
Before you invest in external convertors, have you tried clocking it to a higher quality external source? PARIS' internal clock was excellent for its time but folks have reported noticeable gains by clocking it to higher quality external sources.
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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| Re: paris converters now... [message #103685 is a reply to message #103683] |
Tue, 07 July 2009 21:43 |
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Just put your cursor where you want the smiley and then click on the one you want, and that'll insert it at the cursor's location.
Perhaps you tried to drag them into your message? That'd give you something like this:
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"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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| Re: paris converters now... [message #103688 is a reply to message #103672] |
Wed, 08 July 2009 05:35 |
Ted Gerber
Messages: 705
Registered: January 2009
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Hi Damien -
The biggest improvement came with either the ISA converters instead of the Paris converters or the word clock by itself added to the paris converters. Either one yielded a very similar improvement. Both together (ISA AD with the Lucid) was a bigger bump in clarity and definition, without getting too clinical. The Big Ben was another bump up, but less than adding the Lucid in the first place. The 24 bit S/PDIF vs. the 20 bit ADAT had the least impact but one that I thought I heard nonetheless. (By the way, the ISA has 24 bit straight out, and dithering to 20 bit available. I used both options and if I was sending out to the ADAT cards, I preferred the dithering down to 20 bit approach).
These are all subjective, personal conclusions of course.
Also - As a further experiment, I tracked to Cubase, with the same mics and pres using both the setup described above (ISA/Big Ben) and a Lynx Aurora 8 AD/DA ( a fantastic unit at a great price) and I preferred the ISA/Big Ben combo. It seemed the image was bigger and more forward. Both had great clarity and 3D images. I ran out of time to try the Aurora 8 clocked to the Big Ben, which is what a certain big wig at Mercenary Audio says he prefers over the Apogee AD16x (with or without the Big Ben). Since I couldn't afford both the Aurora and the Big Ben, and since I already had the ISA with ADAT out in my rig, I was too concerned to try this combo.
Good luck
Ted
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| Re: paris converters now... [message #103719 is a reply to message #103672] |
Fri, 10 July 2009 01:58 |
damien
Messages: 36
Registered: October 2008
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Thanks all for this,
Does the "ADAT - external converter" chain increase latency ? Did someone tested it ?
With stock stuff, paris is 1.3 @ 48K in to out, witch is one of the reasons i like this system (despite i found no way to align perfectly tracks who have been processed externally).
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