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Fader question. [message #74492]

Fri, 20 October 2006 06:11

cujo
Messages: 285
Registered: July 2005

Senior Member

How hot do you gys push faders during mix..
Remebering the BT vid, he mentions lowereing channels will give Paris a clearer
sound.
Where do you guys generally keep them?

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Re: Fader question. [message #74493 is a reply to message #74492]

Fri, 20 October 2006 06:35

Don Nafe

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Registered: July 2005

Senior Member

Whenever possible I initially set my faders at unity (0) then I'll use the
gain to get the levels just into the red and finally I'll fine tune with
automation.

this process just evolved and seems to work for me

DOn

"Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> How hot do you gys push faders during mix..
> Remebering the BT vid, he mentions lowereing channels will give Paris a
> clearer
> sound.
> Where do you guys generally keep them?

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Re: Fader question. [message #74494 is a reply to message #74493]

Fri, 20 October 2006 06:39

cujo
Messages: 285
Registered: July 2005

Senior Member

Thanks D, I am wondering agin if that is where my issue with murk is coming
from.
Hey, as soon as I get someone else to hold the tape,
I'll get you my room dimentions

"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>Whenever possible I initially set my faders at unity (0) then I'll use the

>gain to get the levels just into the red and finally I'll fine tune with

>automation.
>
>this process just evolved and seems to work for me
>
>DOn
>
>
>"Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>news:4538cb0f$1@linux...
>>
>>
>>
>> How hot do you gys push faders during mix..
>> Remebering the BT vid, he mentions lowereing channels will give Paris
a
>> clearer
>> sound.
>> Where do you guys generally keep them?
>
>

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Re: Fader question. [message #74495 is a reply to message #74492]

Fri, 20 October 2006 07:25

John [1]

Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005

Senior Member

I push em till they scream and use my ears. We don't care about no
stinking red lights.

John

Cujo wrote:
> How hot do you gys push faders during mix..
> Remebering the BT vid, he mentions lowereing channels will give Paris a clearer
> sound.
> Where do you guys generally keep them?

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Re: Fader question. [message #74506 is a reply to message #74495]

Fri, 20 October 2006 10:10

Rob Arsenault

Messages: 152
Registered: September 2005

Senior Member

This is how I use to mix by pushing the red all the time, louder is better
rite....!! I started noticing my mixs were loud alright but getting dull and
almost distorted at times, specially the more quiet Country/bluegrass stuff.
I started being more conservative with the faders, hardly and reds and I
keep my submix master around -1, I found my mixs have cleaned up
drastically.

My two cents....
Rob

"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4538da56@linux...
>I push em till they scream and use my ears. We don't care about no
>stinking red lights.
>
> John
>
> Cujo wrote:
>> How hot do you gys push faders during mix..
>> Remebering the BT vid, he mentions lowereing channels will give Paris a
>> clearer
>> sound.
>> Where do you guys generally keep them?

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Re: Fader question. [message #74507 is a reply to message #74506]

Fri, 20 October 2006 10:14

John [1]

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Registered: September 2005

Senior Member

So you weren't using your ears. You want MAX signal to noise ratio and
great sound quality. If you use your ears you can do this. Like the
Waves L3. If you push it up you can hear it distort, so back off to
where the functional range is. I hardly ever clip actually but I do run
it hot right up to clipping. I even have a macro that clears all the
clip lights at once. schweet.

John

Rob Arsenault wrote:
> This is how I use to mix by pushing the red all the time, louder is better
> rite....!! I started noticing my mixs were loud alright but getting dull and
> almost distorted at times, specially the more quiet Country/bluegrass stuff.
> I started being more conservative with the faders, hardly and reds and I
> keep my submix master around -1, I found my mixs have cleaned up
> drastically.
>
> My two cents....
> Rob
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4538da56@linux...
>> I push em till they scream and use my ears. We don't care about no
>> stinking red lights.
>>
>> John
>>
>> Cujo wrote:
>>> How hot do you gys push faders during mix..
>>> Remebering the BT vid, he mentions lowereing channels will give Paris a
>>> clearer
>>> sound.
>>> Where do you guys generally keep them?
>
>

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Re: Fader question. [message #74509 is a reply to message #74507]

Fri, 20 October 2006 10:45

chuck duffy
Messages: 453
Registered: July 2005

Senior Member

"You want MAX signal to noise ratio"

It's really not all that important. We aren't using tape machines any more.

Chuck

John <no@no.com> wrote:
>So you weren't using your ears. You want MAX signal to noise ratio and

>great sound quality. If you use your ears you can do this. Like the
>Waves L3. If you push it up you can hear it distort, so back off to
>where the functional range is. I hardly ever clip actually but I do run

>it hot right up to clipping. I even have a macro that clears all the
>clip lights at once. schweet.
>
>John
>
>Rob Arsenault wrote:
>> This is how I use to mix by pushing the red all the time, louder is better

>> rite....!! I started noticing my mixs were loud alright but getting dull
and
>> almost distorted at times, specially the more quiet Country/bluegrass
stuff.
>> I started being more conservative with the faders, hardly and reds and
I
>> keep my submix master around -1, I found my mixs have cleaned up
>> drastically.
>>
>> My two cents....
>> Rob
>>
>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4538da56@linux...
>>> I push em till they scream and use my ears. We don't care about no
>>> stinking red lights.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> Cujo wrote:
>>>> How hot do you gys push faders during mix..
>>>> Remebering the BT vid, he mentions lowereing channels will give Paris
a
>>>> clearer
>>>> sound.
>>>> Where do you guys generally keep them?
>>
>>

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Re: Fader question. [message #74510 is a reply to message #74509]

Fri, 20 October 2006 10:50

neil[1]
Messages: 164
Registered: October 2006

Senior Member

"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>"You want MAX signal to noise ratio"
>
>It's really not all that important. We aren't using tape machines any more.

No kidding - with DAW's all your noise comes from whatever it
hits on the way in, plus plugin's & EFX; although I guess in
that regard it should more properly be called "artifacts".

Neil

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Re: Fader question. [message #74589 is a reply to message #74506]

Sat, 21 October 2006 14:04

Cujjo

Messages: 325
Registered: June 2007

Senior Member

I need to do some slight changes on 7 mixes tomorrow.
I think I will try pulling every fader down by 1 as well as all effects and
automation points.
See what I do is probably totally wrong but I have been running a pair of
BAE 312's oi the master bus as an insert, but because I don't yet have an
ATTY I have to back the submix faders down to about -8 or so so I don;t clip
coming back in. This may allow me to also bring those back up a tad. But
really I'd love to get a bit more air in there too.

"Rob Arsenault" <mani2@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
>This is how I use to mix by pushing the red all the time, louder is better

>rite....!! I started noticing my mixs were loud alright but getting dull
and
>almost distorted at times, specially the more quiet Country/bluegrass stuff.

>I started being more conservative with the faders, hardly and reds and I

>keep my submix master around -1, I found my mixs have cleaned up
>drastically.
>
>My two cents....
>Rob
>
>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4538da56@linux...
>>I push em till they scream and use my ears. We don't care about no
>>stinking red lights.
>>
>> John
>>
>> Cujo wrote:
>>> How hot do you gys push faders during mix..
>>> Remebering the BT vid, he mentions lowereing channels will give Paris
a
>>> clearer
>>> sound.
>>> Where do you guys generally keep them?
>
>

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Re: Fader question. [message #74591 is a reply to message #74589]

Sat, 21 October 2006 14:22

Aaron Allen

Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008

Senior Member

It's easier just to bump down the EQ gain by 1 db everywhere than fooling
with all your automation, ainnit?
AA

"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message news:453a8b66$1@linux...
>
>
> I need to do some slight changes on 7 mixes tomorrow.
> I think I will try pulling every fader down by 1 as well as all effects
> and
> automation points.
> See what I do is probably totally wrong but I have been running a pair of
> BAE 312's oi the master bus as an insert, but because I don't yet have an
> ATTY I have to back the submix faders down to about -8 or so so I don;t
> clip
> coming back in. This may allow me to also bring those back up a tad. But
> really I'd love to get a bit more air in there too.
>
> "Rob Arsenault" <mani2@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
>>This is how I use to mix by pushing the red all the time, louder is better
>
>>rite....!! I started noticing my mixs were loud alright but getting dull
> and
>>almost distorted at times, specially the more quiet Country/bluegrass
>>stuff.
>
>>I started being more conservative with the faders, hardly and reds and I
>
>>keep my submix master around -1, I found my mixs have cleaned up
>>drastically.
>>
>>My two cents....
>>Rob
>>
>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4538da56@linux...
>>>I push em till they scream and use my ears. We don't care about no
>>>stinking red lights.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> Cujo wrote:
>>>> How hot do you gys push faders during mix..
>>>> Remebering the BT vid, he mentions lowereing channels will give Paris
> a
>>>> clearer
>>>> sound.
>>>> Where do you guys generally keep them?
>>
>>
>

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Re: Fader question. [message #74596 is a reply to message #74591]

Sat, 21 October 2006 16:03

Rod Lincoln
Messages: 883
Registered: September 2005

Senior Member

Naw...just Ctrl A in the auto editor, and pull all down by 1 db.
Rinse and repeat for each submix. Maximum of 8 moves, as opposed to a possible
maxium of 128 moves.
If no automation is written, do a ctrl N in the mixer and lower by one. 8
moves at the most here also. Make sure fader groups are turned off first
though (for method B)
Rod
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>It's easier just to bump down the EQ gain by 1 db everywhere than fooling

>with all your automation, ainnit?
>AA
>
>
>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message news:453a8b66$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> I need to do some slight changes on 7 mixes tomorrow.
>> I think I will try pulling every fader down by 1 as well as all effects

>> and
>> automation points.
>> See what I do is probably totally wrong but I have been running a pair
of
>> BAE 312's oi the master bus as an insert, but because I don't yet have
an
>> ATTY I have to back the submix faders down to about -8 or so so I don;t

>> clip
>> coming back in. This may allow me to also bring those back up a tad. But
>> really I'd love to get a bit more air in there too.
>>
>> "Rob Arsenault" <mani2@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
>>>This is how I use to mix by pushing the red all the time, louder is better
>>
>>>rite....!! I started noticing my mixs were loud alright but getting dull
>> and
>>>almost distorted at times, specially the more quiet Country/bluegrass

>>>stuff.
>>
>>>I started being more conservative with the faders, hardly and reds and
I
>>
>>>keep my submix master around -1, I found my mixs have cleaned up
>>>drastically.
>>>
>>>My two cents....
>>>Rob
>>>
>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4538da56@linux...
>>>>I push em till they scream and use my ears. We don't care about no
>>>>stinking red lights.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> Cujo wrote:
>>>>> How hot do you gys push faders during mix..
>>>>> Remebering the BT vid, he mentions lowereing channels will give Paris
>> a
>>>>> clearer
>>>>> sound.
>>>>> Where do you guys generally keep them?
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

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