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| Re: Bye Paris [message #65546 is a reply to message #65542] |
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Deej [1]
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Dave,
Good luck to you. I hope you're happy with the PT rig. If you plan on mixing
any projects at 44.1, you Paris rig can still come in very handy as a
summing bus.
Cheers,
Deej
"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:441d9384$1@linux...
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> Howdy all.
>
> Sad but exciting moment has arrived. My last Paris tracking happened
> tonight. Six years Paris has been a loyal friend to me, but its time to
move
> on.
>
> My Pro Tools rig has arrived, and Im setting it up this week. I bought
> a Pro tools HD3 accel PCI-e rig, with a control 24, and a dual 2.0 G5.
Hence
> the excitement.
>
> paris has treated me well. Ive done a number of records on it that have
> done quite well here in Australia. I have won Engineer/producer of the
year
> for the last 2 years here in Western Australia, and I truly believe Paris
> added something to my sound that other digital studios couldnt achieve.
>
>
> I am keeping my Paris rig, cuz i cant entirely let go yet.
>
> Cheers to ya all.!!!
>
> Dave
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #65590 is a reply to message #65542] |
Tue, 21 March 2006 09:12 |
emarenot
Messages: 345
Registered: June 2005
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Hey Dave
You know, this group could almost be newly titled to include current Paris
users and Paris users who have moved on to other systems, or Paris users who
are using other systems with Paris. For me the greatest loss is when folks
leave Paris and then this NG. I hope you'll stick around.
Cheers,
MR
"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:441d9384$1@linux...
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> Howdy all.
>
> Sad but exciting moment has arrived. My last Paris tracking happened
> tonight. Six years Paris has been a loyal friend to me, but its time to
move
> on.
>
> My Pro Tools rig has arrived, and Im setting it up this week. I bought
> a Pro tools HD3 accel PCI-e rig, with a control 24, and a dual 2.0 G5.
Hence
> the excitement.
>
> paris has treated me well. Ive done a number of records on it that have
> done quite well here in Australia. I have won Engineer/producer of the
year
> for the last 2 years here in Western Australia, and I truly believe Paris
> added something to my sound that other digital studios couldnt achieve.
>
>
> I am keeping my Paris rig, cuz i cant entirely let go yet.
>
> Cheers to ya all.!!!
>
> Dave
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66486 is a reply to message #65590] |
Tue, 11 April 2006 02:34 |
dave Parkin
Messages: 24
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Howdy all,
Havent dropped by in a month or so. Ill endeavour to drop by still. Alot
of interesting posts to shuffle through....
My PT's rig is going very well. It took me and the pro tools rep less
than 48 hours to completely swap over systems. That includes the new console
and surrounding furniture.
The main difference to me with the mix bus in PT's, as opposed to Paris,
is how much larger it is. Its easier to get cloudy in Paris. Im still running
at 48KHz on PT's. Paris certainly was a great way to spend 6 years, but things
really have progressed in the Digidesign world.
Just a few thoughts.....
Cheers
"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Hey Dave
>You know, this group could almost be newly titled to include current Paris
>users and Paris users who have moved on to other systems, or Paris users
who
>are using other systems with Paris. For me the greatest loss is when folks
>leave Paris and then this NG. I hope you'll stick around.
>Cheers,
>MR
>
>
>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message
>news:441d9384$1@linux...
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>> Howdy all.
>>
>> Sad but exciting moment has arrived. My last Paris tracking happened
>> tonight. Six years Paris has been a loyal friend to me, but its time to
>move
>> on.
>>
>> My Pro Tools rig has arrived, and Im setting it up this week. I bought
>> a Pro tools HD3 accel PCI-e rig, with a control 24, and a dual 2.0 G5.
>Hence
>> the excitement.
>>
>> paris has treated me well. Ive done a number of records on it that have
>> done quite well here in Australia. I have won Engineer/producer of the
>year
>> for the last 2 years here in Western Australia, and I truly believe Paris
>> added something to my sound that other digital studios couldnt achieve.
>>
>>
>> I am keeping my Paris rig, cuz i cant entirely let go yet.
>>
>> Cheers to ya all.!!!
>>
>> Dave
>
>
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66489 is a reply to message #66486] |
Tue, 11 April 2006 04:18 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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How many dollars?
"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
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>Howdy all,
>
> Havent dropped by in a month or so. Ill endeavour to drop by still.
Alot
>of interesting posts to shuffle through....
>
> My PT's rig is going very well. It took me and the pro tools rep less
>than 48 hours to completely swap over systems. That includes the new console
>and surrounding furniture.
>
> The main difference to me with the mix bus in PT's, as opposed to Paris,
>is how much larger it is. Its easier to get cloudy in Paris. Im still running
>at 48KHz on PT's. Paris certainly was a great way to spend 6 years, but
things
>really have progressed in the Digidesign world.
>
> Just a few thoughts.....
>
>Cheers
>
>
>
>
>
>"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Hey Dave
>>You know, this group could almost be newly titled to include current Paris
>>users and Paris users who have moved on to other systems, or Paris users
>who
>>are using other systems with Paris. For me the greatest loss is when folks
>>leave Paris and then this NG. I hope you'll stick around.
>>Cheers,
>>MR
>>
>>
>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>news:441d9384$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Howdy all.
>>>
>>> Sad but exciting moment has arrived. My last Paris tracking happened
>>> tonight. Six years Paris has been a loyal friend to me, but its time
to
>>move
>>> on.
>>>
>>> My Pro Tools rig has arrived, and Im setting it up this week. I bought
>>> a Pro tools HD3 accel PCI-e rig, with a control 24, and a dual 2.0 G5.
>>Hence
>>> the excitement.
>>>
>>> paris has treated me well. Ive done a number of records on it that
have
>>> done quite well here in Australia. I have won Engineer/producer of the
>>year
>>> for the last 2 years here in Western Australia, and I truly believe Paris
>>> added something to my sound that other digital studios couldnt achieve.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am keeping my Paris rig, cuz i cant entirely let go yet.
>>>
>>> Cheers to ya all.!!!
>>>
>>> Dave
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66492 is a reply to message #66486] |
Tue, 11 April 2006 06:18 |
Stevehwan
Messages: 207
Registered: January 2006
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Dave,
This being a Paris forum and all,.... your post is helping and encouraging
the Paris users How??
Steve
"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
>
>Howdy all,
>
> Havent dropped by in a month or so. Ill endeavour to drop by still.
Alot
>of interesting posts to shuffle through....
>
> My PT's rig is going very well. It took me and the pro tools rep less
>than 48 hours to completely swap over systems. That includes the new console
>and surrounding furniture.
>
> The main difference to me with the mix bus in PT's, as opposed to Paris,
>is how much larger it is. Its easier to get cloudy in Paris. Im still running
>at 48KHz on PT's. Paris certainly was a great way to spend 6 years, but
things
>really have progressed in the Digidesign world.
>
> Just a few thoughts.....
>
>Cheers
>
>
>
>
>
>"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Hey Dave
>>You know, this group could almost be newly titled to include current Paris
>>users and Paris users who have moved on to other systems, or Paris users
>who
>>are using other systems with Paris. For me the greatest loss is when folks
>>leave Paris and then this NG. I hope you'll stick around.
>>Cheers,
>>MR
>>
>>
>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>news:441d9384$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Howdy all.
>>>
>>> Sad but exciting moment has arrived. My last Paris tracking happened
>>> tonight. Six years Paris has been a loyal friend to me, but its time
to
>>move
>>> on.
>>>
>>> My Pro Tools rig has arrived, and Im setting it up this week. I bought
>>> a Pro tools HD3 accel PCI-e rig, with a control 24, and a dual 2.0 G5.
>>Hence
>>> the excitement.
>>>
>>> paris has treated me well. Ive done a number of records on it that
have
>>> done quite well here in Australia. I have won Engineer/producer of the
>>year
>>> for the last 2 years here in Western Australia, and I truly believe Paris
>>> added something to my sound that other digital studios couldnt achieve.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am keeping my Paris rig, cuz i cant entirely let go yet.
>>>
>>> Cheers to ya all.!!!
>>>
>>> Dave
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66493 is a reply to message #66492] |
Tue, 11 April 2006 06:34 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
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Dave - glad the new rig is working well for you. Best of luck with it!
Steve,
I believe most of us have been under the assumption that all past and
present Paris users are welcome here regardless of what we use now (or so I
hope), unless Kim says the server has decided otherwise. I'm not a ProTools
fan, but if I were considering an HD rig, I would take the feedback of a
former Paris user over the Digi forum any day. For those considering
ProTools I would think Dave's post would likely be of interest.
I don't participate a whole lot, but I consider this forum to be the last
refuge for Paris users (former and present) that found it to be more
professional and friendly than any other forum on the planet, and a nice way
to stay in touch with Paris users we've come to know and even meet in
person. I try to stay out of Paris-subject threads for sake of bandwidth
and keep my participation short and simple, helping if I can - to allow
current Paris users to read or pass along the info they need, but if you
guys find non-Paris user participation to be distracting, I'll respect that
and stop posting. No offense taken - I'm just reading into your post that
maybe there are newer Paris users, or other participants that prefer this to
be a Paris users-only forum. If so, you have that right.
I've been under the assumption that past Paris users are still welcome, but
if that isn't the case, please feel free to say so.
Regards,
Dedric
On 4/11/06 7:18 AM, in article 443bacc1$1@linux, "Steve Cox"
<stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
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> Dave,
> This being a Paris forum and all,.... your post is helping and encouraging
> the Paris users How??
> Steve
> "Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> Howdy all,
>>
>> Havent dropped by in a month or so. Ill endeavour to drop by still.
> Alot
>> of interesting posts to shuffle through....
>>
>> My PT's rig is going very well. It took me and the pro tools rep less
>> than 48 hours to completely swap over systems. That includes the new console
>> and surrounding furniture.
>>
>> The main difference to me with the mix bus in PT's, as opposed to Paris,
>> is how much larger it is. Its easier to get cloudy in Paris. Im still running
>> at 48KHz on PT's. Paris certainly was a great way to spend 6 years, but
> things
>> really have progressed in the Digidesign world.
>>
>> Just a few thoughts.....
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Hey Dave
>>> You know, this group could almost be newly titled to include current Paris
>>> users and Paris users who have moved on to other systems, or Paris users
>> who
>>> are using other systems with Paris. For me the greatest loss is when folks
>>> leave Paris and then this NG. I hope you'll stick around.
>>> Cheers,
>>> MR
>>>
>>>
>>> "Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>> news:441d9384$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Howdy all.
>>>>
>>>> Sad but exciting moment has arrived. My last Paris tracking happened
>>>> tonight. Six years Paris has been a loyal friend to me, but its time
> to
>>> move
>>>> on.
>>>>
>>>> My Pro Tools rig has arrived, and Im setting it up this week. I bought
>>>> a Pro tools HD3 accel PCI-e rig, with a control 24, and a dual 2.0 G5.
>>> Hence
>>>> the excitement.
>>>>
>>>> paris has treated me well. Ive done a number of records on it that
> have
>>>> done quite well here in Australia. I have won Engineer/producer of the
>>> year
>>>> for the last 2 years here in Western Australia, and I truly believe Paris
>>>> added something to my sound that other digital studios couldnt achieve.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am keeping my Paris rig, cuz i cant entirely let go yet.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers to ya all.!!!
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66494 is a reply to message #66492] |
Tue, 11 April 2006 07:22 |
Pauln[1]
Messages: 19
Registered: February 2007
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Steve,
How does YOUR post help this newsgroup? You've been here what... two weeks
now and this isn't the first time you've come out swinging. Dave is well
respected here and welcome to post whatever the hell he whats to. OK?
"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>
>Dave,
>This being a Paris forum and all,.... your post is helping and encouraging
>the Paris users How??
>Steve
>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>Howdy all,
>>
>> Havent dropped by in a month or so. Ill endeavour to drop by still.
>Alot
>>of interesting posts to shuffle through....
>>
>> My PT's rig is going very well. It took me and the pro tools rep less
>>than 48 hours to completely swap over systems. That includes the new console
>>and surrounding furniture.
>>
>> The main difference to me with the mix bus in PT's, as opposed to Paris,
>>is how much larger it is. Its easier to get cloudy in Paris. Im still running
>>at 48KHz on PT's. Paris certainly was a great way to spend 6 years, but
>things
>>really have progressed in the Digidesign world.
>>
>> Just a few thoughts.....
>>
>>Cheers
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>Hey Dave
>>>You know, this group could almost be newly titled to include current Paris
>>>users and Paris users who have moved on to other systems, or Paris users
>>who
>>>are using other systems with Paris. For me the greatest loss is when
folks
>>>leave Paris and then this NG. I hope you'll stick around.
>>>Cheers,
>>>MR
>>>
>>>
>>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>>news:441d9384$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Howdy all.
>>>>
>>>> Sad but exciting moment has arrived. My last Paris tracking happened
>>>> tonight. Six years Paris has been a loyal friend to me, but its time
>to
>>>move
>>>> on.
>>>>
>>>> My Pro Tools rig has arrived, and Im setting it up this week. I bought
>>>> a Pro tools HD3 accel PCI-e rig, with a control 24, and a dual 2.0 G5.
>>>Hence
>>>> the excitement.
>>>>
>>>> paris has treated me well. Ive done a number of records on it that
>have
>>>> done quite well here in Australia. I have won Engineer/producer of the
>>>year
>>>> for the last 2 years here in Western Australia, and I truly believe
Paris
>>>> added something to my sound that other digital studios couldnt achieve.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am keeping my Paris rig, cuz i cant entirely let go yet.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers to ya all.!!!
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66500 is a reply to message #66493] |
Tue, 11 April 2006 08:04 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Dedric,
You are most welcome to hang around this forum. Many of us use Multi-DAW's.
I still use Paris,but I also use Neundo, PT HD & M-Powered.
This site has always welcome insightful DAW discusions. You have been as
"asset" to this forum and I'd hope that you continue to post here and share
your thoughts and finds with Nuendo and other gear.
Take care,
LaMont
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Dave - glad the new rig is working well for you. Best of luck with it!
>
>Steve,
>
>I believe most of us have been under the assumption that all past and
>present Paris users are welcome here regardless of what we use now (or so
I
>hope), unless Kim says the server has decided otherwise. I'm not a ProTools
>fan, but if I were considering an HD rig, I would take the feedback of a
>former Paris user over the Digi forum any day. For those considering
>ProTools I would think Dave's post would likely be of interest.
>
>I don't participate a whole lot, but I consider this forum to be the last
>refuge for Paris users (former and present) that found it to be more
>professional and friendly than any other forum on the planet, and a nice
way
>to stay in touch with Paris users we've come to know and even meet in
>person. I try to stay out of Paris-subject threads for sake of bandwidth
>and keep my participation short and simple, helping if I can - to allow
>current Paris users to read or pass along the info they need, but if you
>guys find non-Paris user participation to be distracting, I'll respect that
>and stop posting. No offense taken - I'm just reading into your post that
>maybe there are newer Paris users, or other participants that prefer this
to
>be a Paris users-only forum. If so, you have that right.
>
>I've been under the assumption that past Paris users are still welcome,
but
>if that isn't the case, please feel free to say so.
>
>Regards,
>Dedric
>
>On 4/11/06 7:18 AM, in article 443bacc1$1@linux, "Steve Cox"
><stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Dave,
>> This being a Paris forum and all,.... your post is helping and encouraging
>> the Paris users How??
>> Steve
>> "Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>> Howdy all,
>>>
>>> Havent dropped by in a month or so. Ill endeavour to drop by still.
>> Alot
>>> of interesting posts to shuffle through....
>>>
>>> My PT's rig is going very well. It took me and the pro tools rep less
>>> than 48 hours to completely swap over systems. That includes the new
console
>>> and surrounding furniture.
>>>
>>> The main difference to me with the mix bus in PT's, as opposed to
Paris,
>>> is how much larger it is. Its easier to get cloudy in Paris. Im still
running
>>> at 48KHz on PT's. Paris certainly was a great way to spend 6 years, but
>> things
>>> really have progressed in the Digidesign world.
>>>
>>> Just a few thoughts.....
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Hey Dave
>>>> You know, this group could almost be newly titled to include current
Paris
>>>> users and Paris users who have moved on to other systems, or Paris users
>>> who
>>>> are using other systems with Paris. For me the greatest loss is when
folks
>>>> leave Paris and then this NG. I hope you'll stick around.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> MR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>>> news:441d9384$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Howdy all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sad but exciting moment has arrived. My last Paris tracking happened
>>>>> tonight. Six years Paris has been a loyal friend to me, but its time
>> to
>>>> move
>>>>> on.
>>>>>
>>>>> My Pro Tools rig has arrived, and Im setting it up this week. I
bought
>>>>> a Pro tools HD3 accel PCI-e rig, with a control 24, and a dual 2.0
G5.
>>>> Hence
>>>>> the excitement.
>>>>>
>>>>> paris has treated me well. Ive done a number of records on it that
>> have
>>>>> done quite well here in Australia. I have won Engineer/producer of
the
>>>> year
>>>>> for the last 2 years here in Western Australia, and I truly believe
Paris
>>>>> added something to my sound that other digital studios couldnt achieve.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am keeping my Paris rig, cuz i cant entirely let go yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers to ya all.!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66512 is a reply to message #66494] |
Tue, 11 April 2006 10:31 |
Stevehwan
Messages: 207
Registered: January 2006
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"Paul" <paul@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>Steve,
>
>How does YOUR post help this newsgroup? You've been here what... two weeks
>now and this isn't the first time you've come out swinging. Dave is well
>respected here and welcome to post whatever the hell he whats to. OK?
>
>
>"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>Dave,
>>This being a Paris forum and all,.... your post is helping and encouraging
>>the Paris users How??
>>Steve
>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>Howdy all,
>>>
>>> Havent dropped by in a month or so. Ill endeavour to drop by still.
>>Alot
>>>of interesting posts to shuffle through....
>>>
>>> My PT's rig is going very well. It took me and the pro tools rep less
>>>than 48 hours to completely swap over systems. That includes the new console
>>>and surrounding furniture.
>>>
>>> The main difference to me with the mix bus in PT's, as opposed to
Paris,
>>>is how much larger it is. Its easier to get cloudy in Paris. Im still
running
>>>at 48KHz on PT's. Paris certainly was a great way to spend 6 years, but
>>things
>>>really have progressed in the Digidesign world.
>>>
>>> Just a few thoughts.....
>>>
>>>Cheers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>Hey Dave
>>>>You know, this group could almost be newly titled to include current
Paris
>>>>users and Paris users who have moved on to other systems, or Paris users
>>>who
>>>>are using other systems with Paris. For me the greatest loss is when
>folks
>>>>leave Paris and then this NG. I hope you'll stick around.
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>MR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>news:441d9384$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Howdy all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sad but exciting moment has arrived. My last Paris tracking happened
>>>>> tonight. Six years Paris has been a loyal friend to me, but its time
>>to
>>>>move
>>>>> on.
>>>>>
>>>>> My Pro Tools rig has arrived, and Im setting it up this week. I
bought
>>>>> a Pro tools HD3 accel PCI-e rig, with a control 24, and a dual 2.0
G5.
>>>>Hence
>>>>> the excitement.
>>>>>
>>>>> paris has treated me well. Ive done a number of records on it that
>>have
>>>>> done quite well here in Australia. I have won Engineer/producer of
the
>>>>year
>>>>> for the last 2 years here in Western Australia, and I truly believe
>Paris
>>>>> added something to my sound that other digital studios couldnt achieve.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am keeping my Paris rig, cuz i cant entirely let go yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers to ya all.!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66514 is a reply to message #66494] |
Tue, 11 April 2006 10:41 |
Stevehwan
Messages: 207
Registered: January 2006
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Senior Member |
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Hey Paul,
There was no swinging intended. None. How does my post help the group? Well,
it doesn't... Scan the posts... The way I understood it, it was ok to chit
chat, and I should grow some thicker skin. Well I did and my question was
to Dave. Just wondering where he's coming from.
Dave honestly, no swinging intended. I want to ask Dave. Dave, did I offend
you? My appologies.
Paul was it you that told me to get thicker skin before?
"Paul" <paul@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>Steve,
>
>How does YOUR post help this newsgroup? You've been here what... two weeks
>now and this isn't the first time you've come out swinging. Dave is well
>respected here and welcome to post whatever the hell he whats to. OK?
>
>
>"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>Dave,
>>This being a Paris forum and all,.... your post is helping and encouraging
>>the Paris users How??
>>Steve
>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>Howdy all,
>>>
>>> Havent dropped by in a month or so. Ill endeavour to drop by still.
>>Alot
>>>of interesting posts to shuffle through....
>>>
>>> My PT's rig is going very well. It took me and the pro tools rep less
>>>than 48 hours to completely swap over systems. That includes the new console
>>>and surrounding furniture.
>>>
>>> The main difference to me with the mix bus in PT's, as opposed to
Paris,
>>>is how much larger it is. Its easier to get cloudy in Paris. Im still
running
>>>at 48KHz on PT's. Paris certainly was a great way to spend 6 years, but
>>things
>>>really have progressed in the Digidesign world.
>>>
>>> Just a few thoughts.....
>>>
>>>Cheers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>Hey Dave
>>>>You know, this group could almost be newly titled to include current
Paris
>>>>users and Paris users who have moved on to other systems, or Paris users
>>>who
>>>>are using other systems with Paris. For me the greatest loss is when
>folks
>>>>leave Paris and then this NG. I hope you'll stick around.
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>MR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>news:441d9384$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Howdy all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sad but exciting moment has arrived. My last Paris tracking happened
>>>>> tonight. Six years Paris has been a loyal friend to me, but its time
>>to
>>>>move
>>>>> on.
>>>>>
>>>>> My Pro Tools rig has arrived, and Im setting it up this week. I
bought
>>>>> a Pro tools HD3 accel PCI-e rig, with a control 24, and a dual 2.0
G5.
>>>>Hence
>>>>> the excitement.
>>>>>
>>>>> paris has treated me well. Ive done a number of records on it that
>>have
>>>>> done quite well here in Australia. I have won Engineer/producer of
the
>>>>year
>>>>> for the last 2 years here in Western Australia, and I truly believe
>Paris
>>>>> added something to my sound that other digital studios couldnt achieve.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am keeping my Paris rig, cuz i cant entirely let go yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers to ya all.!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66516 is a reply to message #66500] |
Tue, 11 April 2006 10:40 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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Senior Member |
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Hey Lamont - no I don't plan on vacating - just thought I would give Paris
users the cordial option to voice their opinions. Compared the Nuendo forum
this NG is an island resort spa. ;-)
I agree - a very insightful and helpful forum - lots of great people and
info here.
Regards,
Dedric
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:443bc56f$1@linux...
>
> Dedric,
> You are most welcome to hang around this forum. Many of us use
> Multi-DAW's.
> I still use Paris,but I also use Neundo, PT HD & M-Powered.
>
> This site has always welcome insightful DAW discusions. You have been as
> "asset" to this forum and I'd hope that you continue to post here and
> share
> your thoughts and finds with Nuendo and other gear.
> Take care,
> LaMont
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>Dave - glad the new rig is working well for you. Best of luck with it!
>>
>>Steve,
>>
>>I believe most of us have been under the assumption that all past and
>>present Paris users are welcome here regardless of what we use now (or so
> I
>>hope), unless Kim says the server has decided otherwise. I'm not a
>>ProTools
>>fan, but if I were considering an HD rig, I would take the feedback of a
>>former Paris user over the Digi forum any day. For those considering
>>ProTools I would think Dave's post would likely be of interest.
>>
>>I don't participate a whole lot, but I consider this forum to be the last
>>refuge for Paris users (former and present) that found it to be more
>>professional and friendly than any other forum on the planet, and a nice
> way
>>to stay in touch with Paris users we've come to know and even meet in
>>person. I try to stay out of Paris-subject threads for sake of bandwidth
>>and keep my participation short and simple, helping if I can - to allow
>>current Paris users to read or pass along the info they need, but if you
>>guys find non-Paris user participation to be distracting, I'll respect
>>that
>>and stop posting. No offense taken - I'm just reading into your post that
>>maybe there are newer Paris users, or other participants that prefer this
> to
>>be a Paris users-only forum. If so, you have that right.
>>
>>I've been under the assumption that past Paris users are still welcome,
> but
>>if that isn't the case, please feel free to say so.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Dedric
>>
>>On 4/11/06 7:18 AM, in article 443bacc1$1@linux, "Steve Cox"
>><stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Dave,
>>> This being a Paris forum and all,.... your post is helping and
>>> encouraging
>>> the Paris users How??
>>> Steve
>>> "Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Howdy all,
>>>>
>>>> Havent dropped by in a month or so. Ill endeavour to drop by still.
>>> Alot
>>>> of interesting posts to shuffle through....
>>>>
>>>> My PT's rig is going very well. It took me and the pro tools rep less
>>>> than 48 hours to completely swap over systems. That includes the new
> console
>>>> and surrounding furniture.
>>>>
>>>> The main difference to me with the mix bus in PT's, as opposed to
> Paris,
>>>> is how much larger it is. Its easier to get cloudy in Paris. Im still
> running
>>>> at 48KHz on PT's. Paris certainly was a great way to spend 6 years, but
>>> things
>>>> really have progressed in the Digidesign world.
>>>>
>>>> Just a few thoughts.....
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hey Dave
>>>>> You know, this group could almost be newly titled to include current
> Paris
>>>>> users and Paris users who have moved on to other systems, or Paris
>>>>> users
>>>> who
>>>>> are using other systems with Paris. For me the greatest loss is when
> folks
>>>>> leave Paris and then this NG. I hope you'll stick around.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> MR
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>> news:441d9384$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Howdy all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sad but exciting moment has arrived. My last Paris tracking
>>>>>> happened
>>>>>> tonight. Six years Paris has been a loyal friend to me, but its time
>>> to
>>>>> move
>>>>>> on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My Pro Tools rig has arrived, and Im setting it up this week. I
> bought
>>>>>> a Pro tools HD3 accel PCI-e rig, with a control 24, and a dual 2.0
> G5.
>>>>> Hence
>>>>>> the excitement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> paris has treated me well. Ive done a number of records on it that
>>> have
>>>>>> done quite well here in Australia. I have won Engineer/producer of
> the
>>>>> year
>>>>>> for the last 2 years here in Western Australia, and I truly believe
> Paris
>>>>>> added something to my sound that other digital studios couldnt
>>>>>> achieve.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am keeping my Paris rig, cuz i cant entirely let go yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers to ya all.!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66522 is a reply to message #66494] |
Tue, 11 April 2006 11:42 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
|
Senior Member |
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|
Hey Steve has a good point, this is the Paris news group, not that other people
aren't welcome! Both guys are entitled to their opinion. I think all should
be welcome.
For some time there has been a migration away from Paris by former Paris
users. Some people have tried to justify their own choice by saying things
like the waters are safe in PT land, or PT sounds better than Paris. It
is discouraging to paris users, and kind of trolling. Some PT users have
actually come here in the past just to troll, and it didn't help our group
much. It is psychological, it makes you feel like your missing out, or your
getting left behind. When BT left, a lot of people went with him so to speak.
For the others that are going to switch, if you got to go, Ok, but don't
drag people away with you by knocking Paris. We need to encourage people
to stick around. This NG is shrinking!
I remember vary well a certain somebody, who I will leave unnamed; ) raved
about Nuendo for months on end. Now that certain somebody is not so sure
that Nuendo is better sounding than Paris! ; ) A couple of guys here that
thought Nuendo was the answer to Paris are now questioning Nuendo. Some
times other stuff just sounds different, and initially perceived as being
better. Of course paris was left behind feature wise, and some people love
the whiz-bang of all that. Others prefer the capabilities and the working
methods of newer software. There will always be something to come out that
will be more slick than Paris. Paris is still pretty slick and vary useable.
When combined with a second DAW for effect processing, Paris becomes vary
hard to beat.
Many Paris commercial studio owners have expressed that they have, or are
considering going with PT because it's "The industry standard". Many feel
that if they don't jump to PT that they are losing business. For some people
this is the case, and they need to do what they need to do. However, it
really should be based on the quality of the end result, not the equipment
you use.
Everybody has different needs. For most project studios, there is really
no need for an expensive system like PT, or 2K for Nuendo, plus the cost
of hardware. If your in a major market like N.Y., L.A., Nashville, or Austin,
then PT makes sense. For myself, I'm more in to recording live instruments,
so paris works fine and sounds great. The day a record company wants to
give me a million dollars to record an album and insist on a SSL 9000 and
a PT system, I'll buy them. When it comes to making a record, and your talking
sound quality, Paris can stand toe to toe with any DAW in the world. There
have been some pretty big records done on Paris, just ask BT. By the way,
he still mixes with Paris!
Opinions are Ok, but I feel that post about PT that are in effect saying
that PT is better than Paris, are not all that helpful to Paris users.
"Paul" <paul@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>Steve,
>
>How does YOUR post help this newsgroup? You've been here what... two weeks
>now and this isn't the first time you've come out swinging. Dave is well
>respected here and welcome to post whatever the hell he whats to. OK?
>
>
>"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>Dave,
>>This being a Paris forum and all,.... your post is helping and encouraging
>>the Paris users How??
>>Steve
>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>Howdy all,
>>>
>>> Havent dropped by in a month or so. Ill endeavour to drop by still.
>>Alot
>>>of interesting posts to shuffle through....
>>>
>>> My PT's rig is going very well. It took me and the pro tools rep less
>>>than 48 hours to completely swap over systems. That includes the new console
>>>and surrounding furniture.
>>>
>>> The main difference to me with the mix bus in PT's, as opposed to
Paris,
>>>is how much larger it is. Its easier to get cloudy in Paris. Im still
running
>>>at 48KHz on PT's. Paris certainly was a great way to spend 6 years, but
>>things
>>>really have progressed in the Digidesign world.
>>>
>>> Just a few thoughts.....
>>>
>>>Cheers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>Hey Dave
>>>>You know, this group could almost be newly titled to include current
Paris
>>>>users and Paris users who have moved on to other systems, or Paris users
>>>who
>>>>are using other systems with Paris. For me the greatest loss is when
>folks
>>>>leave Paris and then this NG. I hope you'll stick around.
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>MR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>news:441d9384$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Howdy all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sad but exciting moment has arrived. My last Paris tracking happened
>>>>> tonight. Six years Paris has been a loyal friend to me, but its time
>>to
>>>>move
>>>>> on.
>>>>>
>>>>> My Pro Tools rig has arrived, and Im setting it up this week. I
bought
>>>>> a Pro tools HD3 accel PCI-e rig, with a control 24, and a dual 2.0
G5.
>>>>Hence
>>>>> the excitement.
>>>>>
>>>>> paris has treated me well. Ive done a number of records on it that
>>have
>>>>> done quite well here in Australia. I have won Engineer/producer of
the
>>>>year
>>>>> for the last 2 years here in Western Australia, and I truly believe
>Paris
>>>>> added something to my sound that other digital studios couldnt achieve.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am keeping my Paris rig, cuz i cant entirely let go yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers to ya all.!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66526 is a reply to message #66522] |
Tue, 11 April 2006 12:03 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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If I ever get PT I'll be here telling everyone how good or lousy it is and
it WILL help paris users decide to keep paris or move on. That's great help
!
John
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Hey Steve has a good point, this is the Paris news group, not that other
people
>aren't welcome! Both guys are entitled to their opinion. I think all should
>be welcome.
>
>For some time there has been a migration away from Paris by former Paris
>users. Some people have tried to justify their own choice by saying things
>like the waters are safe in PT land, or PT sounds better than Paris. It
>is discouraging to paris users, and kind of trolling. Some PT users have
>actually come here in the past just to troll, and it didn't help our group
>much. It is psychological, it makes you feel like your missing out, or
your
>getting left behind. When BT left, a lot of people went with him so to
speak.
> For the others that are going to switch, if you got to go, Ok, but don't
>drag people away with you by knocking Paris. We need to encourage people
>to stick around. This NG is shrinking!
>
> I remember vary well a certain somebody, who I will leave unnamed; ) raved
>about Nuendo for months on end. Now that certain somebody is not so sure
>that Nuendo is better sounding than Paris! ; ) A couple of guys here that
>thought Nuendo was the answer to Paris are now questioning Nuendo. Some
>times other stuff just sounds different, and initially perceived as being
>better. Of course paris was left behind feature wise, and some people love
>the whiz-bang of all that. Others prefer the capabilities and the working
>methods of newer software. There will always be something to come out that
>will be more slick than Paris. Paris is still pretty slick and vary useable.
> When combined with a second DAW for effect processing, Paris becomes vary
>hard to beat.
>
>Many Paris commercial studio owners have expressed that they have, or are
>considering going with PT because it's "The industry standard". Many feel
>that if they don't jump to PT that they are losing business. For some people
>this is the case, and they need to do what they need to do. However, it
>really should be based on the quality of the end result, not the equipment
>you use.
>
>Everybody has different needs. For most project studios, there is really
>no need for an expensive system like PT, or 2K for Nuendo, plus the cost
>of hardware. If your in a major market like N.Y., L.A., Nashville, or Austin,
>then PT makes sense. For myself, I'm more in to recording live instruments,
>so paris works fine and sounds great. The day a record company wants to
>give me a million dollars to record an album and insist on a SSL 9000 and
>a PT system, I'll buy them. When it comes to making a record, and your
talking
>sound quality, Paris can stand toe to toe with any DAW in the world. There
>have been some pretty big records done on Paris, just ask BT. By the way,
>he still mixes with Paris!
>
>Opinions are Ok, but I feel that post about PT that are in effect saying
>that PT is better than Paris, are not all that helpful to Paris users.
>
>"Paul" <paul@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>Steve,
>>
>>How does YOUR post help this newsgroup? You've been here what... two weeks
>>now and this isn't the first time you've come out swinging. Dave is well
>>respected here and welcome to post whatever the hell he whats to. OK?
>>
>>
>>"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Dave,
>>>This being a Paris forum and all,.... your post is helping and encouraging
>>>the Paris users How??
>>>Steve
>>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Howdy all,
>>>>
>>>> Havent dropped by in a month or so. Ill endeavour to drop by still.
>>>Alot
>>>>of interesting posts to shuffle through....
>>>>
>>>> My PT's rig is going very well. It took me and the pro tools rep less
>>>>than 48 hours to completely swap over systems. That includes the new
console
>>>>and surrounding furniture.
>>>>
>>>> The main difference to me with the mix bus in PT's, as opposed to
>Paris,
>>>>is how much larger it is. Its easier to get cloudy in Paris. Im still
>running
>>>>at 48KHz on PT's. Paris certainly was a great way to spend 6 years, but
>>>things
>>>>really have progressed in the Digidesign world.
>>>>
>>>> Just a few thoughts.....
>>>>
>>>>Cheers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>Hey Dave
>>>>>You know, this group could almost be newly titled to include current
>Paris
>>>>>users and Paris users who have moved on to other systems, or Paris users
>>>>who
>>>>>are using other systems with Paris. For me the greatest loss is when
>>folks
>>>>>leave Paris and then this NG. I hope you'll stick around.
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>MR
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>news:441d9384$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Howdy all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sad but exciting moment has arrived. My last Paris tracking happened
>>>>>> tonight. Six years Paris has been a loyal friend to me, but its time
>>>to
>>>>>move
>>>>>> on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My Pro Tools rig has arrived, and Im setting it up this week. I
>bought
>>>>>> a Pro tools HD3 accel PCI-e rig, with a control 24, and a dual 2.0
>G5.
>>>>>Hence
>>>>>> the excitement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> paris has treated me well. Ive done a number of records on it that
>>>have
>>>>>> done quite well here in Australia. I have won Engineer/producer of
>the
>>>>>year
>>>>>> for the last 2 years here in Western Australia, and I truly believe
>>Paris
>>>>>> added something to my sound that other digital studios couldnt achieve.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am keeping my Paris rig, cuz i cant entirely let go yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers to ya all.!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66528 is a reply to message #66493] |
Tue, 11 April 2006 12:15 |
Stevehwan
Messages: 207
Registered: January 2006
|
Senior Member |
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Dedric,
You are an incredible individual. I agree with everything you said. Spoken
like a true gentlman. Especially the part about past/present users regardless
of what they use now. I call them "old pro's". as Dave is. My issue wasn't
about who should or shouldn't be on the forum, mercy no!!!!Actually I didn't
have much of an issue at all till everyone but Dave responded. I just wanted
to know where he was coming from in regard to posting Pro Tools being better
than Paris on a Paris users group sight. He wasn't rude or nothing and I
wasn't trying to be either. Dedric, you have a very eloquent way of putting
things. I hope they consider you also an asset to the group. I don't feel
I spoke out of line, but if I did?, sorry Dave...
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Dave - glad the new rig is working well for you. Best of luck with it!
>
>Steve,
>
>I believe most of us have been under the assumption that all past and
>present Paris users are welcome here regardless of what we use now (or so
I
>hope), unless Kim says the server has decided otherwise. I'm not a ProTools
>fan, but if I were considering an HD rig, I would take the feedback of a
>former Paris user over the Digi forum any day. For those considering
>ProTools I would think Dave's post would likely be of interest.
>
>I don't participate a whole lot, but I consider this forum to be the last
>refuge for Paris users (former and present) that found it to be more
>professional and friendly than any other forum on the planet, and a nice
way
>to stay in touch with Paris users we've come to know and even meet in
>person. I try to stay out of Paris-subject threads for sake of bandwidth
>and keep my participation short and simple, helping if I can - to allow
>current Paris users to read or pass along the info they need, but if you
>guys find non-Paris user participation to be distracting, I'll respect that
>and stop posting. No offense taken - I'm just reading into your post that
>maybe there are newer Paris users, or other participants that prefer this
to
>be a Paris users-only forum. If so, you have that right.
>
>I've been under the assumption that past Paris users are still welcome,
but
>if that isn't the case, please feel free to say so.
>
>Regards,
>Dedric
>
>On 4/11/06 7:18 AM, in article 443bacc1$1@linux, "Steve Cox"
><stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Dave,
>> This being a Paris forum and all,.... your post is helping and encouraging
>> the Paris users How??
>> Steve
>> "Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>> Howdy all,
>>>
>>> Havent dropped by in a month or so. Ill endeavour to drop by still.
>> Alot
>>> of interesting posts to shuffle through....
>>>
>>> My PT's rig is going very well. It took me and the pro tools rep less
>>> than 48 hours to completely swap over systems. That includes the new
console
>>> and surrounding furniture.
>>>
>>> The main difference to me with the mix bus in PT's, as opposed to
Paris,
>>> is how much larger it is. Its easier to get cloudy in Paris. Im still
running
>>> at 48KHz on PT's. Paris certainly was a great way to spend 6 years, but
>> things
>>> really have progressed in the Digidesign world.
>>>
>>> Just a few thoughts.....
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Hey Dave
>>>> You know, this group could almost be newly titled to include current
Paris
>>>> users and Paris users who have moved on to other systems, or Paris users
>>> who
>>>> are using other systems with Paris. For me the greatest loss is when
folks
>>>> leave Paris and then this NG. I hope you'll stick around.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> MR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>>> news:441d9384$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Howdy all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sad but exciting moment has arrived. My last Paris tracking happened
>>>>> tonight. Six years Paris has been a loyal friend to me, but its time
>> to
>>>> move
>>>>> on.
>>>>>
>>>>> My Pro Tools rig has arrived, and Im setting it up this week. I
bought
>>>>> a Pro tools HD3 accel PCI-e rig, with a control 24, and a dual 2.0
G5.
>>>> Hence
>>>>> the excitement.
>>>>>
>>>>> paris has treated me well. Ive done a number of records on it that
>> have
>>>>> done quite well here in Australia. I have won Engineer/producer of
the
>>>> year
>>>>> for the last 2 years here in Western Australia, and I truly believe
Paris
>>>>> added something to my sound that other digital studios couldnt achieve.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am keeping my Paris rig, cuz i cant entirely let go yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers to ya all.!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66533 is a reply to message #66528] |
Tue, 11 April 2006 12:29 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Hey Steve,
Thank you. Your question was to Dave, not me or anyone else - I just
misread your intent, and I apologize for that..
Regards,
Dedric
"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote in message news:443c006a$1@linux...
>
> Dedric,
> You are an incredible individual. I agree with everything you said. Spoken
> like a true gentlman. Especially the part about past/present users
> regardless
> of what they use now. I call them "old pro's". as Dave is. My issue wasn't
> about who should or shouldn't be on the forum, mercy no!!!!Actually I
> didn't
> have much of an issue at all till everyone but Dave responded. I just
> wanted
> to know where he was coming from in regard to posting Pro Tools being
> better
> than Paris on a Paris users group sight. He wasn't rude or nothing and I
> wasn't trying to be either. Dedric, you have a very eloquent way of
> putting
> things. I hope they consider you also an asset to the group. I don't feel
> I spoke out of line, but if I did?, sorry Dave...
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>Dave - glad the new rig is working well for you. Best of luck with it!
>>
>>Steve,
>>
>>I believe most of us have been under the assumption that all past and
>>present Paris users are welcome here regardless of what we use now (or so
> I
>>hope), unless Kim says the server has decided otherwise. I'm not a
>>ProTools
>>fan, but if I were considering an HD rig, I would take the feedback of a
>>former Paris user over the Digi forum any day. For those considering
>>ProTools I would think Dave's post would likely be of interest.
>>
>>I don't participate a whole lot, but I consider this forum to be the last
>>refuge for Paris users (former and present) that found it to be more
>>professional and friendly than any other forum on the planet, and a nice
> way
>>to stay in touch with Paris users we've come to know and even meet in
>>person. I try to stay out of Paris-subject threads for sake of bandwidth
>>and keep my participation short and simple, helping if I can - to allow
>>current Paris users to read or pass along the info they need, but if you
>>guys find non-Paris user participation to be distracting, I'll respect
>>that
>>and stop posting. No offense taken - I'm just reading into your post that
>>maybe there are newer Paris users, or other participants that prefer this
> to
>>be a Paris users-only forum. If so, you have that right.
>>
>>I've been under the assumption that past Paris users are still welcome,
> but
>>if that isn't the case, please feel free to say so.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Dedric
>>
>>On 4/11/06 7:18 AM, in article 443bacc1$1@linux, "Steve Cox"
>><stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Dave,
>>> This being a Paris forum and all,.... your post is helping and
>>> encouraging
>>> the Paris users How??
>>> Steve
>>> "Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Howdy all,
>>>>
>>>> Havent dropped by in a month or so. Ill endeavour to drop by still.
>>> Alot
>>>> of interesting posts to shuffle through....
>>>>
>>>> My PT's rig is going very well. It took me and the pro tools rep less
>>>> than 48 hours to completely swap over systems. That includes the new
> console
>>>> and surrounding furniture.
>>>>
>>>> The main difference to me with the mix bus in PT's, as opposed to
> Paris,
>>>> is how much larger it is. Its easier to get cloudy in Paris. Im still
> running
>>>> at 48KHz on PT's. Paris certainly was a great way to spend 6 years, but
>>> things
>>>> really have progressed in the Digidesign world.
>>>>
>>>> Just a few thoughts.....
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hey Dave
>>>>> You know, this group could almost be newly titled to include current
> Paris
>>>>> users and Paris users who have moved on to other systems, or Paris
>>>>> users
>>>> who
>>>>> are using other systems with Paris. For me the greatest loss is when
> folks
>>>>> leave Paris and then this NG. I hope you'll stick around.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> MR
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>> news:441d9384$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Howdy all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sad but exciting moment has arrived. My last Paris tracking
>>>>>> happened
>>>>>> tonight. Six years Paris has been a loyal friend to me, but its time
>>> to
>>>>> move
>>>>>> on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My Pro Tools rig has arrived, and Im setting it up this week. I
> bought
>>>>>> a Pro tools HD3 accel PCI-e rig, with a control 24, and a dual 2.0
> G5.
>>>>> Hence
>>>>>> the excitement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> paris has treated me well. Ive done a number of records on it that
>>> have
>>>>>> done quite well here in Australia. I have won Engineer/producer of
> the
>>>>> year
>>>>>> for the last 2 years here in Western Australia, and I truly believe
> Paris
>>>>>> added something to my sound that other digital studios couldnt
>>>>>> achieve.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am keeping my Paris rig, cuz i cant entirely let go yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers to ya all.!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66535 is a reply to message #66526] |
Tue, 11 April 2006 13:14 |
Stevehwan
Messages: 207
Registered: January 2006
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Senior Member |
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Hey John, Point taken...Steve
"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>If I ever get PT I'll be here telling everyone how good or lousy it is and
>it WILL help paris users decide to keep paris or move on. That's great
help
>!
>
>John
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hey Steve has a good point, this is the Paris news group, not that other
>people
>>aren't welcome! Both guys are entitled to their opinion. I think all
should
>>be welcome.
>>
>>For some time there has been a migration away from Paris by former Paris
>>users. Some people have tried to justify their own choice by saying things
>>like the waters are safe in PT land, or PT sounds better than Paris. It
>>is discouraging to paris users, and kind of trolling. Some PT users have
>>actually come here in the past just to troll, and it didn't help our group
>>much. It is psychological, it makes you feel like your missing out, or
>your
>>getting left behind. When BT left, a lot of people went with him so to
>speak.
>> For the others that are going to switch, if you got to go, Ok, but don't
>>drag people away with you by knocking Paris. We need to encourage people
>>to stick around. This NG is shrinking!
>>
>> I remember vary well a certain somebody, who I will leave unnamed; )
raved
>>about Nuendo for months on end. Now that certain somebody is not so sure
>>that Nuendo is better sounding than Paris! ; ) A couple of guys here
that
>>thought Nuendo was the answer to Paris are now questioning Nuendo. Some
>>times other stuff just sounds different, and initially perceived as being
>>better. Of course paris was left behind feature wise, and some people
love
>>the whiz-bang of all that. Others prefer the capabilities and the working
>>methods of newer software. There will always be something to come out
that
>>will be more slick than Paris. Paris is still pretty slick and vary useable.
>> When combined with a second DAW for effect processing, Paris becomes vary
>>hard to beat.
>>
>>Many Paris commercial studio owners have expressed that they have, or are
>>considering going with PT because it's "The industry standard". Many feel
>>that if they don't jump to PT that they are losing business. For some
people
>>this is the case, and they need to do what they need to do. However, it
>>really should be based on the quality of the end result, not the equipment
>>you use.
>>
>>Everybody has different needs. For most project studios, there is really
>>no need for an expensive system like PT, or 2K for Nuendo, plus the cost
>>of hardware. If your in a major market like N.Y., L.A., Nashville, or
Austin,
>>then PT makes sense. For myself, I'm more in to recording live instruments,
>>so paris works fine and sounds great. The day a record company wants to
>>give me a million dollars to record an album and insist on a SSL 9000 and
>>a PT system, I'll buy them. When it comes to making a record, and your
>talking
>>sound quality, Paris can stand toe to toe with any DAW in the world. There
>>have been some pretty big records done on Paris, just ask BT. By the way,
>>he still mixes with Paris!
>>
>>Opinions are Ok, but I feel that post about PT that are in effect saying
>>that PT is better than Paris, are not all that helpful to Paris users.
>
>>
>>"Paul" <paul@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Steve,
>>>
>>>How does YOUR post help this newsgroup? You've been here what... two weeks
>>>now and this isn't the first time you've come out swinging. Dave is well
>>>respected here and welcome to post whatever the hell he whats to. OK?
>>>
>>>
>>>"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Dave,
>>>>This being a Paris forum and all,.... your post is helping and encouraging
>>>>the Paris users How??
>>>>Steve
>>>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Howdy all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Havent dropped by in a month or so. Ill endeavour to drop by still.
>>>>Alot
>>>>>of interesting posts to shuffle through....
>>>>>
>>>>> My PT's rig is going very well. It took me and the pro tools rep
less
>>>>>than 48 hours to completely swap over systems. That includes the new
>console
>>>>>and surrounding furniture.
>>>>>
>>>>> The main difference to me with the mix bus in PT's, as opposed to
>>Paris,
>>>>>is how much larger it is. Its easier to get cloudy in Paris. Im still
>>running
>>>>>at 48KHz on PT's. Paris certainly was a great way to spend 6 years,
but
>>>>things
>>>>>really have progressed in the Digidesign world.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a few thoughts.....
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>Hey Dave
>>>>>>You know, this group could almost be newly titled to include current
>>Paris
>>>>>>users and Paris users who have moved on to other systems, or Paris
users
>>>>>who
>>>>>>are using other systems with Paris. For me the greatest loss is when
>>>folks
>>>>>>leave Paris and then this NG. I hope you'll stick around.
>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>MR
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:441d9384$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Howdy all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sad but exciting moment has arrived. My last Paris tracking happened
>>>>>>> tonight. Six years Paris has been a loyal friend to me, but its time
>>>>to
>>>>>>move
>>>>>>> on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My Pro Tools rig has arrived, and Im setting it up this week.
I
>>bought
>>>>>>> a Pro tools HD3 accel PCI-e rig, with a control 24, and a dual 2.0
>>G5.
>>>>>>Hence
>>>>>>> the excitement.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> paris has treated me well. Ive done a number of records on it that
>>>>have
>>>>>>> done quite well here in Australia. I have won Engineer/producer of
>>the
>>>>>>year
>>>>>>> for the last 2 years here in Western Australia, and I truly believe
>>>Paris
>>>>>>> added something to my sound that other digital studios couldnt achieve.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am keeping my Paris rig, cuz i cant entirely let go yet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers to ya all.!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66536 is a reply to message #66522] |
Tue, 11 April 2006 13:18 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
|
Senior Member |
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>Opinions are Ok, but I feel that post about PT that are in effect saying
that PT is better than Paris, are not all that helpful to Paris users. <
Sooooo then...........let's just argue about Macs some more
;oP
(ducking for cover)
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:443bf890$1@linux...
>
> Hey Steve has a good point, this is the Paris news group, not that other
people
> aren't welcome! Both guys are entitled to their opinion. I think all
should
> be welcome.
>
> For some time there has been a migration away from Paris by former Paris
> users. Some people have tried to justify their own choice by saying
things
> like the waters are safe in PT land, or PT sounds better than Paris. It
> is discouraging to paris users, and kind of trolling. Some PT users have
> actually come here in the past just to troll, and it didn't help our group
> much. It is psychological, it makes you feel like your missing out, or
your
> getting left behind. When BT left, a lot of people went with him so to
speak.
> For the others that are going to switch, if you got to go, Ok, but don't
> drag people away with you by knocking Paris. We need to encourage people
> to stick around. This NG is shrinking!
>
> I remember vary well a certain somebody, who I will leave unnamed; )
raved
> about Nuendo for months on end. Now that certain somebody is not so sure
> that Nuendo is better sounding than Paris! ; ) A couple of guys here
that
> thought Nuendo was the answer to Paris are now questioning Nuendo. Some
> times other stuff just sounds different, and initially perceived as being
> better. Of course paris was left behind feature wise, and some people
love
> the whiz-bang of all that. Others prefer the capabilities and the working
> methods of newer software. There will always be something to come out
that
> will be more slick than Paris. Paris is still pretty slick and vary
useable.
> When combined with a second DAW for effect processing, Paris becomes vary
> hard to beat.
>
> Many Paris commercial studio owners have expressed that they have, or are
> considering going with PT because it's "The industry standard". Many feel
> that if they don't jump to PT that they are losing business. For some
people
> this is the case, and they need to do what they need to do. However, it
> really should be based on the quality of the end result, not the equipment
> you use.
>
> Everybody has different needs. For most project studios, there is really
> no need for an expensive system like PT, or 2K for Nuendo, plus the cost
> of hardware. If your in a major market like N.Y., L.A., Nashville, or
Austin,
> then PT makes sense. For myself, I'm more in to recording live
instruments,
> so paris works fine and sounds great. The day a record company wants to
> give me a million dollars to record an album and insist on a SSL 9000 and
> a PT system, I'll buy them. When it comes to making a record, and your
talking
> sound quality, Paris can stand toe to toe with any DAW in the world.
There
> have been some pretty big records done on Paris, just ask BT. By the way,
> he still mixes with Paris!
>
> Opinions are Ok, but I feel that post about PT that are in effect saying
> that PT is better than Paris, are not all that helpful to Paris users.
>
> "Paul" <paul@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >Steve,
> >
> >How does YOUR post help this newsgroup? You've been here what... two
weeks
> >now and this isn't the first time you've come out swinging. Dave is well
> >respected here and welcome to post whatever the hell he whats to. OK?
> >
> >
> >"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>Dave,
> >>This being a Paris forum and all,.... your post is helping and
encouraging
> >>the Paris users How??
> >>Steve
> >>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Howdy all,
> >>>
> >>> Havent dropped by in a month or so. Ill endeavour to drop by still.
> >>Alot
> >>>of interesting posts to shuffle through....
> >>>
> >>> My PT's rig is going very well. It took me and the pro tools rep
less
> >>>than 48 hours to completely swap over systems. That includes the new
console
> >>>and surrounding furniture.
> >>>
> >>> The main difference to me with the mix bus in PT's, as opposed to
> Paris,
> >>>is how much larger it is. Its easier to get cloudy in Paris. Im still
> running
> >>>at 48KHz on PT's. Paris certainly was a great way to spend 6 years, but
> >>things
> >>>really have progressed in the Digidesign world.
> >>>
> >>> Just a few thoughts.....
> >>>
> >>>Cheers
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>Hey Dave
> >>>>You know, this group could almost be newly titled to include current
> Paris
> >>>>users and Paris users who have moved on to other systems, or Paris
users
> >>>who
> >>>>are using other systems with Paris. For me the greatest loss is when
> >folks
> >>>>leave Paris and then this NG. I hope you'll stick around.
> >>>>Cheers,
> >>>>MR
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message
> >>>>news:441d9384$1@linux...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Howdy all.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sad but exciting moment has arrived. My last Paris tracking
happened
> >>>>> tonight. Six years Paris has been a loyal friend to me, but its time
> >>to
> >>>>move
> >>>>> on.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My Pro Tools rig has arrived, and Im setting it up this week. I
> bought
> >>>>> a Pro tools HD3 accel PCI-e rig, with a control 24, and a dual 2.0
> G5.
> >>>>Hence
> >>>>> the excitement.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> paris has treated me well. Ive done a number of records on it that
> >>have
> >>>>> done quite well here in Australia. I have won Engineer/producer of
> the
> >>>>year
> >>>>> for the last 2 years here in Western Australia, and I truly believe
> >Paris
> >>>>> added something to my sound that other digital studios couldnt
achieve.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am keeping my Paris rig, cuz i cant entirely let go yet.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers to ya all.!!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dave
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66537 is a reply to message #66535] |
Tue, 11 April 2006 13:37 |
TC
Messages: 327
Registered: September 2005
|
Senior Member |
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Well,
I use PT HD, Logic 7 and Paris, with considerable investments in all over the years.
The fact that Paris is no longer made means that people are eventually either going to supplement their workflow with other systems, or move on once the hardware is no longer easy to come by.
Dawfensiveness is just plain silly. That hasn't really been the spirit of this NG (although it has been touchy in the past at times) and I think we can all keep an open mind and help each other with good info on various platforms.
If someone's moving to HD is going to somehow make another Paris user feel "inadequate" about their system, then so be it. Paris can hold it's own sonically, and other systems will continue to have more features than Paris, but that's just the way it goes.
This place has always been a step above other NG's since I've been around here (1998), and it's aways been more about the community here than current daw wars..
Cheers,
TC
Steve Cox wrote:
> Hey John, Point taken...Steve
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>>If I ever get PT I'll be here telling everyone how good or lousy it is and
>>it WILL help paris users decide to keep paris or move on. That's great
>
> help
>
>>!
>>
>>John
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Hey Steve has a good point, this is the Paris news group, not that other
>>
>>people
>>
>>>aren't welcome! Both guys are entitled to their opinion. I think all
>
> should
>
>>>be welcome.
>>>
>>>For some time there has been a migration away from Paris by former Paris
>>>users. Some people have tried to justify their own choice by saying things
>>>like the waters are safe in PT land, or PT sounds better than Paris. It
>>>is discouraging to paris users, and kind of trolling. Some PT users have
>>>actually come here in the past just to troll, and it didn't help our group
>>>much. It is psychological, it makes you feel like your missing out, or
>>
>>your
>>
>>>getting left behind. When BT left, a lot of people went with him so to
>>
>>speak.
>>
>>>For the others that are going to switch, if you got to go, Ok, but don't
>>>drag people away with you by knocking Paris. We need to encourage people
>>>to stick around. This NG is shrinking!
>>>
>>>I remember vary well a certain somebody, who I will leave unnamed; )
>
> raved
>
>>>about Nuendo for months on end. Now that certain somebody is not so sure
>>>that Nuendo is better sounding than Paris! ; ) A couple of guys here
>
> that
>
>>>thought Nuendo was the answer to Paris are now questioning Nuendo. Some
>>>times other stuff just sounds different, and initially perceived as being
>>>better. Of course paris was left behind feature wise, and some people
>
> love
>
>>>the whiz-bang of all that. Others prefer the capabilities and the working
>>>methods of newer software. There will always be something to come out
>
> that
>
>>>will be more slick than Paris. Paris is still pretty slick and vary useable.
>>>When combined with a second DAW for effect processing, Paris becomes vary
>>>hard to beat.
>>>
>>>Many Paris commercial studio owners have expressed that they have, or are
>>>considering going with PT because it's "The industry standard". Many feel
>>>that if they don't jump to PT that they are losing business. For some
>
> people
>
>>>this is the case, and they need to do what they need to do. However, it
>>>really should be based on the quality of the end result, not the equipment
>>>you use.
>>>
>>>Everybody has different needs. For most project studios, there is really
>>>no need for an expensive system like PT, or 2K for Nuendo, plus the cost
>>>of hardware. If your in a major market like N.Y., L.A., Nashville, or
>
> Austin,
>
>>>then PT makes sense. For myself, I'm more in to recording live instruments,
>>>so paris works fine and sounds great. The day a record company wants to
>>>give me a million dollars to record an album and insist on a SSL 9000 and
>>>a PT system, I'll buy them. When it comes to making a record, and your
>>
>>talking
>>
>>>sound quality, Paris can stand toe to toe with any DAW in the world. There
>>>have been some pretty big records done on Paris, just ask BT. By the way,
>>>he still mixes with Paris!
>>>
>>>Opinions are Ok, but I feel that post about PT that are in effect saying
>>>that PT is better than Paris, are not all that helpful to Paris users.
>
>
>>>"Paul" <paul@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Steve,
>>>>
>>>>How does YOUR post help this newsgroup? You've been here what... two weeks
>>>>now and this isn't the first time you've come out swinging. Dave is well
>>>>respected here and welcome to post whatever the hell he whats to. OK?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Dave,
>>>>>This being a Paris forum and all,.... your post is helping and encouraging
>>>>>the Paris users How??
>>>>>Steve
>>>>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Howdy all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Havent dropped by in a month or so. Ill endeavour to drop by still.
>>>>>
>>>>>Alot
>>>>>
>>>>>>of interesting posts to shuffle through....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My PT's rig is going very well. It took me and the pro tools rep
>
> less
>
>>>>>>than 48 hours to completely swap over systems. That includes the new
>>
>>console
>>
>>>>>>and surrounding furniture.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The main difference to me with the mix bus in PT's, as opposed to
>>>
>>>Paris,
>>>
>>>>>>is how much larger it is. Its easier to get cloudy in Paris. Im still
>>>
>>>running
>>>
>>>>>>at 48KHz on PT's. Paris certainly was a great way to spend 6 years,
>
> but
>
>>>>>things
>>>>>
>>>>>>really have progressed in the Digidesign world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a few thoughts.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hey Dave
>>>>>>>You know, this group could almost be newly titled to include current
>>>
>>>Paris
>>>
>>>>>>>users and Paris users who have moved on to other systems, or Paris
>
> users
>
>>>>>>who
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>are using other systems with Paris. For me the greatest loss is when
>>>>
>>>>folks
>>>>
>>>>>>>leave Paris and then this NG. I hope you'll stick around.
>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>MR
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:441d9384$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Howdy all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sad but exciting moment has arrived. My last Paris tracking happened
>>>>>>>>tonight. Six years Paris has been a loyal friend to me, but its time
>>>>>
>>>>>to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>move
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My Pro Tools rig has arrived, and Im setting it up this week.
>
> I
>
>>>bought
>>>
>>>>>>>>a Pro tools HD3 accel PCI-e rig, with a control 24, and a dual 2.0
>>>
>>>G5.
>>>
>>>>>>>Hence
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>the excitement.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> paris has treated me well. Ive done a number of records on it that
>>>>>
>>>>>have
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>done quite well here in Australia. I have won Engineer/producer of
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>>>>year
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>for the last 2 years here in Western Australia, and I truly believe
>>>>
>>>>Paris
>>>>
>>>>>>>>added something to my sound that other digital studios couldnt achieve.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am keeping my Paris rig, cuz i cant entirely let go yet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers to ya all.!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66540 is a reply to message #66537] |
Tue, 11 April 2006 16:56 |
uptown jimmy
Messages: 441
Registered: September 2005
|
Senior Member |
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Right on.
Jimmy
"TC" <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote in message
news:443c155c$1@linux...
> Well,
>
> I use PT HD, Logic 7 and Paris, with considerable investments in all over
the years.
>
> The fact that Paris is no longer made means that people are eventually
either going to supplement their workflow with other systems, or move on
once the hardware is no longer easy to come by.
>
> Dawfensiveness is just plain silly. That hasn't really been the spirit of
this NG (although it has been touchy in the past at times) and I think we
can all keep an open mind and help each other with good info on various
platforms.
>
> If someone's moving to HD is going to somehow make another Paris user feel
"inadequate" about their system, then so be it. Paris can hold it's own
sonically, and other systems will continue to have more features than Paris,
but that's just the way it goes.
>
> This place has always been a step above other NG's since I've been around
here (1998), and it's aways been more about the community here than current
daw wars..
>
> Cheers,
>
> TC
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| Re: Bye Paris - group future... [message #66546 is a reply to message #66522] |
Tue, 11 April 2006 17:43 |
Kim
Messages: 1246
Registered: October 2005
|
Senior Member |
|
|
My 2c on this discussion, for what it's worth...
I'd like to think most people here are open to other DAWs. Paris has been
unsupported for several years. I'd like to think that most people still have
respect for Paris, and understand that there are still things it does well,
but are also things it's now behind on naturally.
This group, more than any other group, is always going to be the best place
to come to for anyone with a Paris related question, simply because of the
history of those the group has attracted, being Paris users. If you're looking
for info on Paris, no other group is going to be of more help.
But if I was to go all Nazi and implement some kind of blanket ban on posts
not related directly to Paris, this place would be awefully quiet and pretty
boring IMO, and no doubt die a slow death. The reality is there is less and
less to say about a system which has had no development for half a decade.
I'd like to think, as the group moves forward, there will be certain basic
things it will take with it.
(*) It will continue to be the best place for Paris info, even though the
actual user base is bound to deplete further. Not much can be done about
that. No other group is likely to become more useful for Paris info than
this one.
(*) It will become a place where people can openly discuss other systems.
Many other systems have their own forums, but often getting unbiased advice
in such places is difficult, as the forums can be full of fanbois. Here hopefully
people can get useful information, and everyone can appreciate that all systems
have their advantages and disadvantages, just like everyone here understands
that Paris has it's strong points, but that an outdated system doesn't suit
everyone. Already the system base of users here is diverse, and people respect
that different systems have their advantages. That is pretty rare on internet
forums.
(*)It will continue to be a place where Deej can tell stories about critters,
and ridiculous setups. ;o)
I imagine that, say a decade from now, or two, the number of "current" Paris
users will be very low. I'm hoping however that the forum can continue to
be an excellent forum for general music knowledge. I'm hoping that the isolation
offered by the fact that our newsgroup is available only on this one little
server, and pushes itself on the search engine only to Paris users, will
shelter us, as it seems to have so far, from the usual issues with trolls,
fanbois etc, where it can be hard to get an honest, unbiased, useful opinion
through the noise.
It is not dissimilar to issues I was recently discussing with one of the
organisers of my (ex?)favourite music festival. It was once popular for being
"dickhead free", but recently dickheads have arrived as it's reputation has
grown. To their credit, they are looking aat changing and reducing advertising
in order to ensure that the festival remains "the best kept secret" of intelligent
funlovers, instead of becoming full of typical drunken fools who throw bottles
in the crowd, and flares in the air which land on tents. They have strategies
in place to try and ensure that the festival remains better than most. Indeed
next year they are reducing crowd numbers.
It's my view that, while still centered around Paris, this group is a bit
of a gem in that it's got geniune intelligent people giving well thought
out and educated opinions on audio gear in general. Other forums do get this
at times, but I think what this group has is rare, and I don't think its
usefullness relates only to Paris.
In any case, like it or lump it, the consideration of upgrading to other
systems, or a hybrid system, is a very real consideration on the minds of
many current Paris users, so the experiences of others who are making such
a move is valuable info.
That's my 2c anyhow. ;o)
Cheers,
Kim.
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66549 is a reply to message #66537] |
Tue, 11 April 2006 17:39 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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Senior Member |
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> Dawfensiveness
Dude, I love that term. And your right. Look at all the hits made WAAAAYYY
before we even had computers, much less DAWs. It ain't as much about the
tools as it is about the capturing of the moment. How you do that is totally
personal and up to each of us. Sure, I can spank the daylights out a PT mix
in level with Paris, but then again Paris midi sucks. Use what floats it for
ya, I say. Use it how it floats it for ya. If it's good, everyone will know
it when they hear it, and the means doesn't matter. I still prefer Paris in
a big way, but I program midi/song structures elsewhere where the 'sound'
doesn't matter and dump to.
AA
"TC" <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote in message
news:443c155c$1@linux...
> Well,
>
> I use PT HD, Logic 7 and Paris, with considerable investments in all over
> the years.
>
> The fact that Paris is no longer made means that people are eventually
> either going to supplement their workflow with other systems, or move on
> once the hardware is no longer easy to come by.
>
> Dawfensiveness is just plain silly. That hasn't really been the spirit of
> this NG (although it has been touchy in the past at times) and I think we
> can all keep an open mind and help each other with good info on various
> platforms.
>
> If someone's moving to HD is going to somehow make another Paris user feel
> "inadequate" about their system, then so be it. Paris can hold it's own
> sonically, and other systems will continue to have more features than
> Paris, but that's just the way it goes.
>
> This place has always been a step above other NG's since I've been around
> here (1998), and it's aways been more about the community here than
> current daw wars..
>
> Cheers,
>
> TC
>
>
>
>
> Steve Cox wrote:
>> Hey John, Point taken...Steve
>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>>If I ever get PT I'll be here telling everyone how good or lousy it is
>>>and
>>>it WILL help paris users decide to keep paris or move on. That's great
>>
>> help
>>
>>>!
>>>
>>>John
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hey Steve has a good point, this is the Paris news group, not that other
>>>
>>>people
>>>
>>>>aren't welcome! Both guys are entitled to their opinion. I think all
>>
>> should
>>
>>>>be welcome.
>>>>For some time there has been a migration away from Paris by former Paris
>>>>users. Some people have tried to justify their own choice by saying
>>>>things
>>>>like the waters are safe in PT land, or PT sounds better than Paris. It
>>>>is discouraging to paris users, and kind of trolling. Some PT users
>>>>have
>>>>actually come here in the past just to troll, and it didn't help our
>>>>group
>>>>much. It is psychological, it makes you feel like your missing out, or
>>>
>>>your
>>>
>>>>getting left behind. When BT left, a lot of people went with him so to
>>>
>>>speak.
>>>
>>>>For the others that are going to switch, if you got to go, Ok, but don't
>>>>drag people away with you by knocking Paris. We need to encourage
>>>>people
>>>>to stick around. This NG is shrinking!
>>>>I remember vary well a certain somebody, who I will leave unnamed; )
>>
>> raved
>>
>>>>about Nuendo for months on end. Now that certain somebody is not so
>>>>sure
>>>>that Nuendo is better sounding than Paris! ; ) A couple of guys here
>>
>> that
>>
>>>>thought Nuendo was the answer to Paris are now questioning Nuendo. Some
>>>>times other stuff just sounds different, and initially perceived as
>>>>being
>>>>better. Of course paris was left behind feature wise, and some people
>>
>> love
>>
>>>>the whiz-bang of all that. Others prefer the capabilities and the
>>>>working
>>>>methods of newer software. There will always be something to come out
>>
>> that
>>
>>>>will be more slick than Paris. Paris is still pretty slick and vary
>>>>useable.
>>>>When combined with a second DAW for effect processing, Paris becomes
>>>>vary
>>>>hard to beat.
>>>>
>>>>Many Paris commercial studio owners have expressed that they have, or
>>>>are
>>>>considering going with PT because it's "The industry standard". Many
>>>>feel
>>>>that if they don't jump to PT that they are losing business. For some
>>
>> people
>>
>>>>this is the case, and they need to do what they need to do. However, it
>>>>really should be based on the quality of the end result, not the
>>>>equipment
>>>>you use.
>>>>
>>>>Everybody has different needs. For most project studios, there is
>>>>really
>>>>no need for an expensive system like PT, or 2K for Nuendo, plus the cost
>>>>of hardware. If your in a major market like N.Y., L.A., Nashville, or
>>
>> Austin,
>>
>>>>then PT makes sense. For myself, I'm more in to recording live
>>>>instruments,
>>>>so paris works fine and sounds great. The day a record company wants to
>>>>give me a million dollars to record an album and insist on a SSL 9000
>>>>and
>>>>a PT system, I'll buy them. When it comes to making a record, and your
>>>
>>>talking
>>>
>>>>sound quality, Paris can stand toe to toe with any DAW in the world.
>>>>There
>>>>have been some pretty big records done on Paris, just ask BT. By the
>>>>way,
>>>>he still mixes with Paris!
>>>>
>>>>Opinions are Ok, but I feel that post about PT that are in effect saying
>>>>that PT is better than Paris, are not all that helpful to Paris users.
>>
>>
>>>>"Paul" <paul@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Steve,
>>>>>
>>>>>How does YOUR post help this newsgroup? You've been here what... two
>>>>>weeks
>>>>>now and this isn't the first time you've come out swinging. Dave is
>>>>>well
>>>>>respected here and welcome to post whatever the hell he whats to. OK?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dave,
>>>>>>This being a Paris forum and all,.... your post is helping and
>>>>>>encouraging
>>>>>>the Paris users How??
>>>>>>Steve
>>>>>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Howdy all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Havent dropped by in a month or so. Ill endeavour to drop by
>>>>>>> still.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Alot
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>of interesting posts to shuffle through....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My PT's rig is going very well. It took me and the pro tools rep
>>
>> less
>>
>>>>>>>than 48 hours to completely swap over systems. That includes the new
>>>
>>>console
>>>
>>>>>>>and surrounding furniture.
>>>>>>> The main difference to me with the mix bus in PT's, as opposed to
>>>>
>>>>Paris,
>>>>
>>>>>>>is how much larger it is. Its easier to get cloudy in Paris. Im still
>>>>
>>>>running
>>>>
>>>>>>>at 48KHz on PT's. Paris certainly was a great way to spend 6 years,
>>
>> but
>>
>>>>>>things
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>really have progressed in the Digidesign world.
>>>>>>> Just a few thoughts.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cheers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hey Dave
>>>>>>>>You know, this group could almost be newly titled to include current
>>>>
>>>>Paris
>>>>
>>>>>>>>users and Paris users who have moved on to other systems, or Paris
>>
>> users
>>
>>>>>>>who
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>are using other systems with Paris. For me the greatest loss is
>>>>>>>>when
>>>>>
>>>>>folks
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>leave Paris and then this NG. I hope you'll stick around.
>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>>MR
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:441d9384$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Howdy all.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sad but exciting moment has arrived. My last Paris tracking
>>>>>>>>> happened
>>>>>>>>>tonight. Six years Paris has been a loyal friend to me, but its
>>>>>>>>>time
>>>>>>
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>move
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>on.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My Pro Tools rig has arrived, and Im setting it up this week.
>>
>> I
>>
>>>>bought
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>a Pro tools HD3 accel PCI-e rig, with a control 24, and a dual 2.0
>>>>
>>>>G5.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hence
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>the excitement.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> paris has treated me well. Ive done a number of records on it
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>
>>>>>>have
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>done quite well here in Australia. I have won Engineer/producer of
>>>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>>>>year
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>for the last 2 years here in Western Australia, and I truly believe
>>>>>
>>>>>Paris
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>added something to my sound that other digital studios couldnt
>>>>>>>>>achieve.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am keeping my Paris rig, cuz i cant entirely let go yet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers to ya all.!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Dave
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66550 is a reply to message #66549] |
Tue, 11 April 2006 18:15 |
Rod Lincoln
Messages: 883
Registered: September 2005
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Yeah, I still use Paris as main DAW, although I augment with cubase sx. I
think of the spirit of this newsgroup to have evolved as those who are searching
for the best way to do their thang with music, and share it.... guys and
gals that aren't swayed by popular opinion, unless it happens to be the same
thing that works for them sonically, or logistically, or ergonomically, or
whatever, and are willing to share, or learn. I say, bring it on. If PT is
working for you, and you can tell me how...I'll listen. Maybe it will make
me better.
Rod
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>> Dawfensiveness
>
>
>Dude, I love that term. And your right. Look at all the hits made WAAAAYYY
>before we even had computers, much less DAWs. It ain't as much about the
>tools as it is about the capturing of the moment. How you do that is totally
>personal and up to each of us. Sure, I can spank the daylights out a PT
mix
>in level with Paris, but then again Paris midi sucks. Use what floats it
for
>ya, I say. Use it how it floats it for ya. If it's good, everyone will know
>it when they hear it, and the means doesn't matter. I still prefer Paris
in
>a big way, but I program midi/song structures elsewhere where the 'sound'
>doesn't matter and dump to.
>
>AA
>
>
>"TC" <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote in message
>news:443c155c$1@linux...
>> Well,
>>
>> I use PT HD, Logic 7 and Paris, with considerable investments in all over
>> the years.
>>
>> The fact that Paris is no longer made means that people are eventually
>> either going to supplement their workflow with other systems, or move
on
>> once the hardware is no longer easy to come by.
>>
>> Dawfensiveness is just plain silly. That hasn't really been the spirit
of
>> this NG (although it has been touchy in the past at times) and I think
we
>> can all keep an open mind and help each other with good info on various
>> platforms.
>>
>> If someone's moving to HD is going to somehow make another Paris user
feel
>> "inadequate" about their system, then so be it. Paris can hold it's own
>> sonically, and other systems will continue to have more features than
>> Paris, but that's just the way it goes.
>>
>> This place has always been a step above other NG's since I've been around
>> here (1998), and it's aways been more about the community here than
>> current daw wars..
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> TC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve Cox wrote:
>>> Hey John, Point taken...Steve
>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>If I ever get PT I'll be here telling everyone how good or lousy it is
>>>>and
>>>>it WILL help paris users decide to keep paris or move on. That's great
>>>
>>> help
>>>
>>>>!
>>>>
>>>>John
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hey Steve has a good point, this is the Paris news group, not that other
>>>>
>>>>people
>>>>
>>>>>aren't welcome! Both guys are entitled to their opinion. I think all
>>>
>>> should
>>>
>>>>>be welcome.
>>>>>For some time there has been a migration away from Paris by former Paris
>>>>>users. Some people have tried to justify their own choice by saying
>>>>>things
>>>>>like the waters are safe in PT land, or PT sounds better than Paris.
It
>>>>>is discouraging to paris users, and kind of trolling. Some PT users
>>>>>have
>>>>>actually come here in the past just to troll, and it didn't help our
>>>>>group
>>>>>much. It is psychological, it makes you feel like your missing out,
or
>>>>
>>>>your
>>>>
>>>>>getting left behind. When BT left, a lot of people went with him so
to
>>>>
>>>>speak.
>>>>
>>>>>For the others that are going to switch, if you got to go, Ok, but don't
>>>>>drag people away with you by knocking Paris. We need to encourage
>>>>>people
>>>>>to stick around. This NG is shrinking!
>>>>>I remember vary well a certain somebody, who I will leave unnamed;
)
>>>
>>> raved
>>>
>>>>>about Nuendo for months on end. Now that certain somebody is not so
>>>>>sure
>>>>>that Nuendo is better sounding than Paris! ; ) A couple of guys here
>>>
>>> that
>>>
>>>>>thought Nuendo was the answer to Paris are now questioning Nuendo.
Some
>>>>>times other stuff just sounds different, and initially perceived as
>>>>>being
>>>>>better. Of course paris was left behind feature wise, and some people
>>>
>>> love
>>>
>>>>>the whiz-bang of all that. Others prefer the capabilities and the
>>>>>working
>>>>>methods of newer software. There will always be something to come out
>>>
>>> that
>>>
>>>>>will be more slick than Paris. Paris is still pretty slick and vary
>>>>>useable.
>>>>>When combined with a second DAW for effect processing, Paris becomes
>>>>>vary
>>>>>hard to beat.
>>>>>
>>>>>Many Paris commercial studio owners have expressed that they have, or
>>>>>are
>>>>>considering going with PT because it's "The industry standard". Many
>>>>>feel
>>>>>that if they don't jump to PT that they are losing business. For some
>>>
>>> people
>>>
>>>>>this is the case, and they need to do what they need to do. However,
it
>>>>>really should be based on the quality of the end result, not the
>>>>>equipment
>>>>>you use.
>>>>>
>>>>>Everybody has different needs. For most project studios, there is
>>>>>really
>>>>>no need for an expensive system like PT, or 2K for Nuendo, plus the
cost
>>>>>of hardware. If your in a major market like N.Y., L.A., Nashville,
or
>>>
>>> Austin,
>>>
>>>>>then PT makes sense. For myself, I'm more in to recording live
>>>>>instruments,
>>>>>so paris works fine and sounds great. The day a record company wants
to
>>>>>give me a million dollars to record an album and insist on a SSL 9000
>>>>>and
>>>>>a PT system, I'll buy them. When it comes to making a record, and your
>>>>
>>>>talking
>>>>
>>>>>sound quality, Paris can stand toe to toe with any DAW in the world.
>>>>>There
>>>>>have been some pretty big records done on Paris, just ask BT. By the
>>>>>way,
>>>>>he still mixes with Paris!
>>>>>
>>>>>Opinions are Ok, but I feel that post about PT that are in effect saying
>>>>>that PT is better than Paris, are not all that helpful to Paris users.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>"Paul" <paul@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Steve,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How does YOUR post help this newsgroup? You've been here what... two
>>>>>>weeks
>>>>>>now and this isn't the first time you've come out swinging. Dave is
>>>>>>well
>>>>>>respected here and welcome to post whatever the hell he whats to. OK?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Dave,
>>>>>>>This being a Paris forum and all,.... your post is helping and
>>>>>>>encouraging
>>>>>>>the Paris users How??
>>>>>>>Steve
>>>>>>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Howdy all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Havent dropped by in a month or so. Ill endeavour to drop by
>>>>>>>> still.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Alot
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>of interesting posts to shuffle through....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My PT's rig is going very well. It took me and the pro tools rep
>>>
>>> less
>>>
>>>>>>>>than 48 hours to completely swap over systems. That includes the
new
>>>>
>>>>console
>>>>
>>>>>>>>and surrounding furniture.
>>>>>>>> The main difference to me with the mix bus in PT's, as opposed
to
>>>>>
>>>>>Paris,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>is how much larger it is. Its easier to get cloudy in Paris. Im still
>>>>>
>>>>>running
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>at 48KHz on PT's. Paris certainly was a great way to spend 6 years,
>>>
>>> but
>>>
>>>>>>>things
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>really have progressed in the Digidesign world.
>>>>>>>> Just a few thoughts.....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Cheers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hey Dave
>>>>>>>>>You know, this group could almost be newly titled to include current
>>>>>
>>>>>Paris
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>users and Paris users who have moved on to other systems, or Paris
>>>
>>> users
>>>
>>>>>>>>who
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>are using other systems with Paris. For me the greatest loss is
>>>>>>>>>when
>>>>>>
>>>>>>folks
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>leave Paris and then this NG. I hope you'll stick around.
>>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>MR
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:441d9384$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Howdy all.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sad but exciting moment has arrived. My last Paris tracking
>>>>>>>>>> happened
>>>>>>>>>>tonight. Six years Paris has been a loyal friend to me, but its
>>>>>>>>>>time
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>move
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>on.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My Pro Tools rig has arrived, and Im setting it up this week.
>>>
>>> I
>>>
>>>>>bought
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>a Pro tools HD3 accel PCI-e rig, with a control 24, and a dual
2.0
>>>>>
>>>>>G5.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hence
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>the excitement.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> paris has treated me well. Ive done a number of records on it
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>done quite well here in Australia. I have won Engineer/producer
of
>>>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>year
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>for the last 2 years here in Western Australia, and I truly believe
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Paris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>added something to my sound that other digital studios couldnt
>>>>>>>>>>achieve.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am keeping my Paris rig, cuz i cant entirely let go yet.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers to ya all.!!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Dave
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>
>
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| Re: Bye Paris - group future... [message #66551 is a reply to message #66546] |
Tue, 11 April 2006 18:19 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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Senior Member |
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Hear, hear! Good post!
To amplify or even perhaps elucidate on some of your comments,
I would like to say:
**I'd like to think that most people still have respect for
Paris, and understand that there are still things it does well,
but are also things it's now behind on naturally***
That's me... I do indeed have respect for Paris & what it can
do, but alas, it's not what I personally need in a DAW platform.
***If you're looking for info on Paris, no other group is going
to be of more help.***
Almost goes without saying.
***It will become a place where people can openly discuss other
systems. Many other systems have their own forums, but often
getting unbiased advice in such places is difficult***
And if I may add, this place is great for getting advice or
opinions on more than just "systems"... there's a great wealth
of knowledge here on audio in general, and that's - personally -
why I prefer to hang here more than any other audio forum.
***It will continue to be a place where Deej can tell stories
about critters, and ridiculous setups***
This is, parguably, one of the better features of this forum.
LOL
***I imagine that, say a decade from now, or two, the number
of "current" Paris users will be very low***
Five... I predict exactly "Five". :)
***I'm hoping however that the forum can continue to be an
excellent forum for general music knowledge. I'm hoping that
the isolation offered by the fact that our newsgroup is
available only on this one little server, and pushes itself on
the search engine only to Paris users, will shelter us, as it
seems to have so far, from the usual issues with trolls,
fanbois etc, where it can be hard to get an honest, unbiased,
useful opinion through the noise.
YEAH, BUDDY!!!
Thanks, Kimmers, and thanks to everyone from the folks who
started the group, to the ones that still show up here.
Neil
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>My 2c on this discussion, for what it's worth...
>
>I'd like to think most people here are open to other DAWs. Paris has been
>unsupported for several years. I'd like to think that most people still
have
>respect for Paris, and understand that there are still things it does well,
>but are also things it's now behind on naturally.
>
>This group, more than any other group, is always going to be the best place
>to come to for anyone with a Paris related question, simply because of the
>history of those the group has attracted, being Paris users. If you're looking
>for info on Paris, no other group is going to be of more help.
>
>But if I was to go all Nazi and implement some kind of blanket ban on posts
>not related directly to Paris, this place would be awefully quiet and pretty
>boring IMO, and no doubt die a slow death. The reality is there is less
and
>less to say about a system which has had no development for half a decade.
>
>I'd like to think, as the group moves forward, there will be certain basic
>things it will take with it.
>
>(*) It will continue to be the best place for Paris info, even though the
>actual user base is bound to deplete further. Not much can be done about
>that. No other group is likely to become more useful for Paris info than
>this one.
>(*) It will become a place where people can openly discuss other systems.
>Many other systems have their own forums, but often getting unbiased advice
>in such places is difficult, as the forums can be full of fanbois. Here
hopefully
>people can get useful information, and everyone can appreciate that all
systems
>have their advantages and disadvantages, just like everyone here understands
>that Paris has it's strong points, but that an outdated system doesn't suit
>everyone. Already the system base of users here is diverse, and people respect
>that different systems have their advantages. That is pretty rare on internet
>forums.
>(*)It will continue to be a place where Deej can tell stories about critters,
>and ridiculous setups. ;o)
>
>I imagine that, say a decade from now, or two, the number of "current" Paris
>users will be very low. I'm hoping however that the forum can continue to
>be an excellent forum for general music knowledge. I'm hoping that the isolation
>offered by the fact that our newsgroup is available only on this one little
>server, and pushes itself on the search engine only to Paris users, will
>shelter us, as it seems to have so far, from the usual issues with trolls,
>fanbois etc, where it can be hard to get an honest, unbiased, useful opinion
>through the noise.
>
>It is not dissimilar to issues I was recently discussing with one of the
>organisers of my (ex?)favourite music festival. It was once popular for
being
>"dickhead free", but recently dickheads have arrived as it's reputation
has
>grown. To their credit, they are looking aat changing and reducing advertising
>in order to ensure that the festival remains "the best kept secret" of intelligent
>funlovers, instead of becoming full of typical drunken fools who throw bottles
>in the crowd, and flares in the air which land on tents. They have strategies
>in place to try and ensure that the festival remains better than most. Indeed
>next year they are reducing crowd numbers.
>
>It's my view that, while still centered around Paris, this group is a bit
>of a gem in that it's got geniune intelligent people giving well thought
>out and educated opinions on audio gear in general. Other forums do get
this
>at times, but I think what this group has is rare, and I don't think its
>usefullness relates only to Paris.
>
>In any case, like it or lump it, the consideration of upgrading to other
>systems, or a hybrid system, is a very real consideration on the minds of
>many current Paris users, so the experiences of others who are making such
>a move is valuable info.
>
>That's my 2c anyhow. ;o)
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
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| Re: Bye Paris - group future... [message #66558 is a reply to message #66552] |
Tue, 11 April 2006 19:20 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OI.com> wrote:
>>And if I may add, this place is great for getting advice or
>>opinions on more than just "systems"... there's a great wealth
>>of knowledge here on audio in general, and that's - personally -
>>why I prefer to hang here more than any other audio forum.
>
>Quite true, and it even goes beyond just audio in some cases. I've learned
>plenty of non-audio computer related stuff for example. Basically it's a
>group of intelligent people with similar interests, so very often, if you're
>into it, somebody on here will know about it.
True, and not just restricted to computers, even... I'll bet if
you ask "What's the best way to re-jet and rebuild a carburetor
on a '72 Camaro with a 305 engine in order to get me another
20 or so horsepower?", someone here will refer you to the best
carb kit & jet size with which to do so.
Neil
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| Re: Bye Paris - group future... [message #66565 is a reply to message #66558] |
Tue, 11 April 2006 20:11 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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They didn't make a 305 in '72.. that was the 307, heh, and I believe it
wasn't offered for the Camero (but did show in in the Chevelle and El Camino
that I know of), unless you're reference is to the 60's aluminum chevy
limited production 302 that 'did' come in the Camaro :)
LOL (Your point proven, perhaps?)
geAArhead
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:443c63e9$1@linux...
>
> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OI.com> wrote:
>>>And if I may add, this place is great for getting advice or
>>>opinions on more than just "systems"... there's a great wealth
>>>of knowledge here on audio in general, and that's - personally -
>>>why I prefer to hang here more than any other audio forum.
>>
>>Quite true, and it even goes beyond just audio in some cases. I've learned
>>plenty of non-audio computer related stuff for example. Basically it's a
>>group of intelligent people with similar interests, so very often, if
>>you're
>>into it, somebody on here will know about it.
>
> True, and not just restricted to computers, even... I'll bet if
> you ask "What's the best way to re-jet and rebuild a carburetor
> on a '72 Camaro with a 305 engine in order to get me another
> 20 or so horsepower?", someone here will refer you to the best
> carb kit & jet size with which to do so.
>
> Neil
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66568 is a reply to message #66522] |
Tue, 11 April 2006 20:35 |
dave Parkin
Messages: 24
Registered: August 2005
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Howdy all,
I didnt realise my simple little post would cause such a stir. It seems
to me some of you want to block out the opinions of those that dont agree
with you. I wasnt putting Paris down, i think Paris is great. As stated,
I used Paris for 6 years, and it did very well.
You'd be living in a cloud if you believed all the other Daws which
are still being updated and tweaked werent as good as Paris. I love Paris,
but the truth is, things have come along way. Thats just how it is. Those
of you who dont want to hear that, shouldnt have opened the post...
Those of you curious about how much PT's cost, work it out yourself. Heres
my rig.
PT's HD3 accell PCIe
Control 24
192 box, with extra 8 ins card.
96 box
Dual 2.0 Mac G5.
Cheers all. Find peace in ya own rig, dosent matter what others are using.
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Hey Steve has a good point, this is the Paris news group, not that other
people
>aren't welcome! Both guys are entitled to their opinion. I think all should
>be welcome.
>
>For some time there has been a migration away from Paris by former Paris
>users. Some people have tried to justify their own choice by saying things
>like the waters are safe in PT land, or PT sounds better than Paris. It
>is discouraging to paris users, and kind of trolling. Some PT users have
>actually come here in the past just to troll, and it didn't help our group
>much. It is psychological, it makes you feel like your missing out, or
your
>getting left behind. When BT left, a lot of people went with him so to
speak.
> For the others that are going to switch, if you got to go, Ok, but don't
>drag people away with you by knocking Paris. We need to encourage people
>to stick around. This NG is shrinking!
>
> I remember vary well a certain somebody, who I will leave unnamed; ) raved
>about Nuendo for months on end. Now that certain somebody is not so sure
>that Nuendo is better sounding than Paris! ; ) A couple of guys here that
>thought Nuendo was the answer to Paris are now questioning Nuendo. Some
>times other stuff just sounds different, and initially perceived as being
>better. Of course paris was left behind feature wise, and some people love
>the whiz-bang of all that. Others prefer the capabilities and the working
>methods of newer software. There will always be something to come out that
>will be more slick than Paris. Paris is still pretty slick and vary useable.
> When combined with a second DAW for effect processing, Paris becomes vary
>hard to beat.
>
>Many Paris commercial studio owners have expressed that they have, or are
>considering going with PT because it's "The industry standard". Many feel
>that if they don't jump to PT that they are losing business. For some people
>this is the case, and they need to do what they need to do. However, it
>really should be based on the quality of the end result, not the equipment
>you use.
>
>Everybody has different needs. For most project studios, there is really
>no need for an expensive system like PT, or 2K for Nuendo, plus the cost
>of hardware. If your in a major market like N.Y., L.A., Nashville, or Austin,
>then PT makes sense. For myself, I'm more in to recording live instruments,
>so paris works fine and sounds great. The day a record company wants to
>give me a million dollars to record an album and insist on a SSL 9000 and
>a PT system, I'll buy them. When it comes to making a record, and your
talking
>sound quality, Paris can stand toe to toe with any DAW in the world. There
>have been some pretty big records done on Paris, just ask BT. By the way,
>he still mixes with Paris!
>
>Opinions are Ok, but I feel that post about PT that are in effect saying
>that PT is better than Paris, are not all that helpful to Paris users.
>
>"Paul" <paul@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>Steve,
>>
>>How does YOUR post help this newsgroup? You've been here what... two weeks
>>now and this isn't the first time you've come out swinging. Dave is well
>>respected here and welcome to post whatever the hell he whats to. OK?
>>
>>
>>"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Dave,
>>>This being a Paris forum and all,.... your post is helping and encouraging
>>>the Paris users How??
>>>Steve
>>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Howdy all,
>>>>
>>>> Havent dropped by in a month or so. Ill endeavour to drop by still.
>>>Alot
>>>>of interesting posts to shuffle through....
>>>>
>>>> My PT's rig is going very well. It took me and the pro tools rep less
>>>>than 48 hours to completely swap over systems. That includes the new
console
>>>>and surrounding furniture.
>>>>
>>>> The main difference to me with the mix bus in PT's, as opposed to
>Paris,
>>>>is how much larger it is. Its easier to get cloudy in Paris. Im still
>running
>>>>at 48KHz on PT's. Paris certainly was a great way to spend 6 years, but
>>>things
>>>>really have progressed in the Digidesign world.
>>>>
>>>> Just a few thoughts.....
>>>>
>>>>Cheers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>Hey Dave
>>>>>You know, this group could almost be newly titled to include current
>Paris
>>>>>users and Paris users who have moved on to other systems, or Paris users
>>>>who
>>>>>are using other systems with Paris. For me the greatest loss is when
>>folks
>>>>>leave Paris and then this NG. I hope you'll stick around.
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>MR
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>news:441d9384$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Howdy all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sad but exciting moment has arrived. My last Paris tracking happened
>>>>>> tonight. Six years Paris has been a loyal friend to me, but its time
>>>to
>>>>>move
>>>>>> on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My Pro Tools rig has arrived, and Im setting it up this week. I
>bought
>>>>>> a Pro tools HD3 accel PCI-e rig, with a control 24, and a dual 2.0
>G5.
>>>>>Hence
>>>>>> the excitement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> paris has treated me well. Ive done a number of records on it that
>>>have
>>>>>> done quite well here in Australia. I have won Engineer/producer of
>the
>>>>>year
>>>>>> for the last 2 years here in Western Australia, and I truly believe
>>Paris
>>>>>> added something to my sound that other digital studios couldnt achieve.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am keeping my Paris rig, cuz i cant entirely let go yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers to ya all.!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Bye Paris - group future... [message #66571 is a reply to message #66565] |
Tue, 11 April 2006 20:35 |
audioguy_editout_
Messages: 249
Registered: December 2005
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Senior Member |
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And if it does have the 302 Zapper motor, you would want to
throw out the Rochester carb and put a Carter AFB on it....
way easier to take care of than a Holley! ;-) But then
again, I'm a Mopar guy, so what do I know! ;-)
David.
Aaron Allen wrote:
> They didn't make a 305 in '72.. that was the 307, heh, and I believe it
> wasn't offered for the Camero (but did show in in the Chevelle and El Camino
> that I know of), unless you're reference is to the 60's aluminum chevy
> limited production 302 that 'did' come in the Camaro :)
> LOL (Your point proven, perhaps?)
>
> geAArhead
>
> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:443c63e9$1@linux...
>
>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OI.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>And if I may add, this place is great for getting advice or
>>>>opinions on more than just "systems"... there's a great wealth
>>>>of knowledge here on audio in general, and that's - personally -
>>>>why I prefer to hang here more than any other audio forum.
>>>
>>>Quite true, and it even goes beyond just audio in some cases. I've learned
>>>plenty of non-audio computer related stuff for example. Basically it's a
>>>group of intelligent people with similar interests, so very often, if
>>>you're
>>>into it, somebody on here will know about it.
>>
>>True, and not just restricted to computers, even... I'll bet if
>>you ask "What's the best way to re-jet and rebuild a carburetor
>>on a '72 Camaro with a 305 engine in order to get me another
>>20 or so horsepower?", someone here will refer you to the best
>>carb kit & jet size with which to do so.
>>
>>Neil
>
>
>
> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
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| Re: Bye Paris - group future... [message #66572 is a reply to message #66565] |
Tue, 11 April 2006 20:43 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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Senior Member |
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Honestly, I was wondering if anyone would catch that... I
actually wasn't sure if the '72's had a 305. I had a '74 Camaro
with a 305, but don't know if they used that engine in '72...
perhaps they had used it in that model for a few years, then
took it out, then started using it again?
It was that Chevy light blue color that they used on Camaros &
Malibus, and I ripped off almost every external engine
component including exhaust (installed some Hooker headers that
ended up with the mufflers being located right under the seats
UGH, too noisy! lol), and a Crane 3/4 racing cam, and a new
Edelbrock manfold and Holly 650 4bbl carb, and boy that sucker
FLEW!
Was way to loud, though... good lord!
Neil
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>They didn't make a 305 in '72.. that was the 307, heh, and I believe it
>wasn't offered for the Camero (but did show in in the Chevelle and El Camino
>that I know of), unless you're reference is to the 60's aluminum chevy
>limited production 302 that 'did' come in the Camaro :)
>LOL (Your point proven, perhaps?)
>
>geAArhead
>
>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:443c63e9$1@linux...
>>
>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OI.com> wrote:
>>>>And if I may add, this place is great for getting advice or
>>>>opinions on more than just "systems"... there's a great wealth
>>>>of knowledge here on audio in general, and that's - personally -
>>>>why I prefer to hang here more than any other audio forum.
>>>
>>>Quite true, and it even goes beyond just audio in some cases. I've learned
>>>plenty of non-audio computer related stuff for example. Basically it's
a
>>>group of intelligent people with similar interests, so very often, if
>>>you're
>>>into it, somebody on here will know about it.
>>
>> True, and not just restricted to computers, even... I'll bet if
>> you ask "What's the best way to re-jet and rebuild a carburetor
>> on a '72 Camaro with a 305 engine in order to get me another
>> 20 or so horsepower?", someone here will refer you to the best
>> carb kit & jet size with which to do so.
>>
>> Neil
>
>
>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66578 is a reply to message #66568] |
Tue, 11 April 2006 21:28 |
dc[4]
Messages: 62
Registered: September 2005
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Member |
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Ain't no peace to be found in my rig, that's for sure. Nothing but
hard work and everybody trying to be the producer.... grrrrr
DAW's are like bums, everyone's got one and they all stink
sometimes.
I'm stickin' with PARIS thanks.
Innit fun how the Control 24 eats up 196 I/O outs for every channel
you want to monitor? You would think they would return digital
to the Control 24 and then convert it and send it to your speakers.
Control 24's are not cheap, especially when you need another
196 I/O to really use them, it's the least Digi could've done, eh?
Oh, and BTW, if you patch the direct outs of your
196 I/O L & R (or surround if you swing that way) to your powered
speakers, (via a passive vol control or carefully setting their input
levels) or to your power amp, instead of routing the CR signal to the
Control 24's monitoring level controls, you will get about a 100%
improvement in fidelity. Try it, you will be amazed. The Control
24's CR monitoring circuit sounds pretty lousy.
Hey no need to thank us. Making things sound better: it's what
Paris people DO.
DC
"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
>
>Howdy all,
>
> I didnt realise my simple little post would cause such a stir. It seems
>to me some of you want to block out the opinions of those that dont agree
>with you. I wasnt putting Paris down, i think Paris is great. As stated,
>I used Paris for 6 years, and it did very well.
>
> You'd be living in a cloud if you believed all the other Daws which
>are still being updated and tweaked werent as good as Paris. I love Paris,
>but the truth is, things have come along way. Thats just how it is. Those
>of you who dont want to hear that, shouldnt have opened the post...
>
> Those of you curious about how much PT's cost, work it out yourself. Heres
>my rig.
>
> PT's HD3 accell PCIe
> Control 24
> 192 box, with extra 8 ins card.
> 96 box
> Dual 2.0 Mac G5.
>
> Cheers all. Find peace in ya own rig, dosent matter what others are using.
>
>
>
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