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MIDI Sync Anyone [message #84278]

Thu, 10 May 2007 19:24

JeffH

Messages: 307
Registered: October 2007
Location: Wamic, OR

Senior Member

Trying to eiher sync an external hardware sequencer to Paris or the
other way around. Have tried it with two different workstations (XP80
and a ZR76) and am not seeming to get MTC either of them like or MTC
from them that Paris will accept.

Going thrugh a USB Midisport 4X4 to get midi to them.

Any ideas?

JH

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Re: MIDI Sync Anyone [message #84284 is a reply to message #84278]

Thu, 10 May 2007 20:01

Deej [4]

Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007

Senior Member

You'll never get the ZR 76 to operate properly It doesn't send MTC from it's
output........midi clock only. You have to record to it's internal
sequencer, save it as a SMF, load it to a floppy and them import it into a
sequencer.

Deej

"Jeff Hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message news:4643d56b@linux...
> Trying to eiher sync an external hardware sequencer to Paris or the other
> way around. Have tried it with two different workstations (XP80 and a
> ZR76) and am not seeming to get MTC either of them like or MTC from them
> that Paris will accept.
>
> Going thrugh a USB Midisport 4X4 to get midi to them.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> JH

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Re: MIDI Sync Anyone [message #84285 is a reply to message #84284]

Thu, 10 May 2007 20:04

JeffH

Messages: 307
Registered: October 2007
Location: Wamic, OR

Senior Member

DJ

I actually was trying to setup for a friend that was coming over
tomorrow and thinks we should be able to use sync from Paris to drive
the Arpeggiator on the XP80. Sounds like it's a no go.

JH

> You'll never get the ZR 76 to operate properly It doesn't send MTC from it's
> output........midi clock only. You have to record to it's internal
> sequencer, save it as a SMF, load it to a floppy and them import it into a
> sequencer.
>
> Deej
>
> "Jeff Hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message news:4643d56b@linux...
>
>>Trying to eiher sync an external hardware sequencer to Paris or the other
>>way around. Have tried it with two different workstations (XP80 and a
>>ZR76) and am not seeming to get MTC either of them like or MTC from them
>>that Paris will accept.
>>
>>Going thrugh a USB Midisport 4X4 to get midi to them.
>>
>>Any ideas?
>>
>>JH
>
>
>

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Re: MIDI Sync Anyone [message #84288 is a reply to message #84285]

Thu, 10 May 2007 20:17

Deej [4]

Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007

Senior Member

I don't know about the XP 80. the MR/ZR series was a brilliant concept which
was hoplessly flawed in it's actual implementation because it locked the
user into the onboard sequencer which is, by far, one of the most awful, non
intuitive pieces of gradoo that I've ever had the misfortune to own. I sol
my MR76 and bought an MR Rack. Add a nice midi controller and you've got a
cool sound module that works normally. IIRC, the MR can be used as a sound
engine with a sequencer. I'm pretty sure I did this with my MR76. I've got
..xml's for Cubase for the MR 76 if you ever need them.

Deej

"Jeff Hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message
news:4643dec5$1@linux...
> DJ
>
> I actually was trying to setup for a friend that was coming over tomorrow
> and thinks we should be able to use sync from Paris to drive the
> Arpeggiator on the XP80. Sounds like it's a no go.
>
> JH
>
>
>> You'll never get the ZR 76 to operate properly It doesn't send MTC from
>> it's output........midi clock only. You have to record to it's internal
>> sequencer, save it as a SMF, load it to a floppy and them import it into
>> a sequencer.
>>
>> Deej
>>
>> "Jeff Hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message
>> news:4643d56b@linux...
>>
>>>Trying to eiher sync an external hardware sequencer to Paris or the other
>>>way around. Have tried it with two different workstations (XP80 and a
>>>ZR76) and am not seeming to get MTC either of them like or MTC from them
>>>that Paris will accept.
>>>
>>>Going thrugh a USB Midisport 4X4 to get midi to them.
>>>
>>>Any ideas?
>>>
>>>JH
>>
>>

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Re: MIDI Sync Anyone [message #84290 is a reply to message #84288]

Thu, 10 May 2007 20:31

JeffH

Messages: 307
Registered: October 2007
Location: Wamic, OR

Senior Member

I bought the XP80 because I couldn't get my head around the ZR
sequencer. I used an MC500 for years and figured the XP would get me
back in the game a little. Just can't stand the piano sounds...you
think they borrowed them from an old MT32.

JH

DJ wrote:
> I don't know about the XP 80. the MR/ZR series was a brilliant concept which
> was hoplessly flawed in it's actual implementation because it locked the
> user into the onboard sequencer which is, by far, one of the most awful, non
> intuitive pieces of gradoo that I've ever had the misfortune to own. I sol
> my MR76 and bought an MR Rack. Add a nice midi controller and you've got a
> cool sound module that works normally. IIRC, the MR can be used as a sound
> engine with a sequencer. I'm pretty sure I did this with my MR76. I've got
> .xml's for Cubase for the MR 76 if you ever need them.
>
> Deej
>
> "Jeff Hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:4643dec5$1@linux...
>
>>DJ
>>
>>I actually was trying to setup for a friend that was coming over tomorrow
>>and thinks we should be able to use sync from Paris to drive the
>>Arpeggiator on the XP80. Sounds like it's a no go.
>>
>>JH
>>
>>
>>
>>>You'll never get the ZR 76 to operate properly It doesn't send MTC from
>>>it's output........midi clock only. You have to record to it's internal
>>>sequencer, save it as a SMF, load it to a floppy and them import it into
>>>a sequencer.
>>>
>>>Deej
>>>
>>>"Jeff Hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message
>>>news:4643d56b@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Trying to eiher sync an external hardware sequencer to Paris or the other
>>>>way around. Have tried it with two different workstations (XP80 and a
>>>>ZR76) and am not seeming to get MTC either of them like or MTC from them
>>>>that Paris will accept.
>>>>
>>>>Going thrugh a USB Midisport 4X4 to get midi to them.
>>>>
>>>>Any ideas?
>>>>
>>>>JH
>>>
>>>
>

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Re: MIDI Sync Anyone [message #84295 is a reply to message #84278]

Thu, 10 May 2007 23:13

Aaron Allen

Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008

Senior Member

Won't work. You'll need something to translate the MTC to midi seq timing.
Try picking up a PPS-2 on ebay for cheap.

AA

"Jeff Hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message news:4643d56b@linux...
> Trying to eiher sync an external hardware sequencer to Paris or the other
> way around. Have tried it with two different workstations (XP80 and a
> ZR76) and am not seeming to get MTC either of them like or MTC from them
> that Paris will accept.
>
> Going thrugh a USB Midisport 4X4 to get midi to them.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> JH

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Re: MIDI Sync Anyone [message #84303 is a reply to message #84285]

Fri, 11 May 2007 06:23

Nil
Messages: 245
Registered: March 2007

Senior Member

Search around on the web for some kind of free audio app that
has MIDI (or some free standalone MIDI app? There might be
something like that available, what with all the freeware
that's around nowadays) assuming you don't have a separate
platform you could load & use for this purpose.
I used to use an older version of Logic for MIDI-only with
Paris when I had an XP-80... worked perfect. Sync'ed great...
you just need to make sure to give it a measure or two lead-in
and I found it worked better to slave Paris to the MIDI app,
not the other way around like the manual says.

Neil

Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>DJ
>
>I actually was trying to setup for a friend that was coming over
>tomorrow and thinks we should be able to use sync from Paris to drive
>the Arpeggiator on the XP80. Sounds like it's a no go.
>
>JH
>
>
>> You'll never get the ZR 76 to operate properly It doesn't send MTC from
it's
>> output........midi clock only. You have to record to it's internal
>> sequencer, save it as a SMF, load it to a floppy and them import it into
a
>> sequencer.
>>
>> Deej
>>
>> "Jeff Hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message news:4643d56b@linux...
>>
>>>Trying to eiher sync an external hardware sequencer to Paris or the other

>>>way around. Have tried it with two different workstations (XP80 and a

>>>ZR76) and am not seeming to get MTC either of them like or MTC from them

>>>that Paris will accept.
>>>
>>>Going thrugh a USB Midisport 4X4 to get midi to them.
>>>
>>>Any ideas?
>>>
>>>JH
>>
>>
>>

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Re: MIDI Sync Anyone [message #84306 is a reply to message #84278]

Fri, 11 May 2007 07:53

David L

Messages: 59
Registered: September 2007

Member

I used to do it by using a software sequencer in the middle. If you have an
old version of Cakewalk or maybe a demo of an app you can try out for 30
days, it works this way.

Download Hubi's MIDI loopback. It's free. This gives you internal MIDI
ports to work with.

Set PARIS to send MTC through one of the HUBI ports into your software
sequencer.
Set the software sequencer to see MTC in the HUBI port, and output MIDI
CLOCK through the 4x4 out.
Set the software sequence clock source to external MTC.
Set your Roland or ZR76 clock to external MIDI.
PARIS starts the software sequencer, which starts the hardware sequencer.
It's a little more lag time, but as long as they all synch, it should do the
trick.

David

On 10-May-2007, Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:

> Trying to eiher sync an external hardware sequencer to Paris or the
> other way around. Have tried it with two different workstations (XP80
> and a ZR76) and am not seeming to get MTC either of them like or MTC
> from them that Paris will accep

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