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Fri, 16 June 2006 00:45  |
Sarah
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If you haven't seen the new TV ads for Mac, this won't make much sense, =
but this is the one I'd like to see:
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interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
=20
PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (young cute guy) facing camera, standing =
side by side between two computer monitors
=20
MAC
Hi, I'm a Mac.
=20
PC
Hi, I'm a PC.
=20
MAC
I'm into music, video, games, stuff like that . =
.. .
=20
PC
Wow! Music, video, and games? Coooool . . . =
Wish I could do that . . . (winks at =
camera)
=20
MAC
Yeah, and I'm really cute and hip-looking, too.
=20
PC
Yes, you are. Do you have the 2GHz processor, or =
the 1.83?
=20
MAC
Um . . . processor?
=20
PC
Uh, never mind. Hey, I like games, too. I just =
got a GeForce 7800 GTX graphics card installed.
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MAC
Oh. Really? But . . . you're just a PC . . . =
What's a graphics card?
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PC
Mac, why don't you go play, sweetie . . . I have =
some work to do . . . it's =
big-people stuff.
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MAC
OK.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you haven't seen the new TV ads for =
Mac, this=20
won't make much sense, but this is the one I'd like to see:</FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">FADE IN: =
<?xml:namespace=20
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<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
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mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; TEXT-TRANSFORM: uppercase; FONT-FAMILY: =
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<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; TEXT-TRANSFORM: uppercase; FONT-FAMILY: =
'Courier New'">interior,=20
bright, spacious room, background non-descript<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">PC (nerdy older =
guy) and MAC=20
(young cute guy) facing camera, standing side by side between two =
computer=20
monitors<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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align=3Dcenter><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">MAC<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
4"> &nbs=
p; &nbs p; =20
</SPAN>Hi, I'm a Mac.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
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New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
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mso-layout-grid-align: none"=20
align=3Dcenter><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">PC<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
4"> &nbs=
p; &nbs p; =20
</SPAN>Hi, I'm a PC.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"=20
align=3Dcenter><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">MAC<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
4"> &nbs=
p; &nbs p; =20
</SPAN>I'm into music, video, games, stuff like that . . =
..<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"=20
align=3Dcenter><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">PC<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
4"> &nbs=
p; &nbs p; =20
</SPAN>Wow!<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Music, video, =
and=20
games? Coooool . . . Wish <B style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><I=20
style=3D"mso-bidi-font-style: normal">I</I></B> could do <SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
3"> &nbs=
p; =20
</SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
2"> =20
</SPAN>that . . . (winks at camera)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
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mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
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New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"=20
align=3Dcenter><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">MAC<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
4"> &nbs=
p; &nbs p; =20
</SPAN>Yeah, and I'm really cute and hip-looking, =
too.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"=20
align=3Dcenter><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">PC<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
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mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
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style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
4"> &nbs=
p; &nbs p; =20
</SPAN>Yes, you are. Do you have the 2GHz processor, or the=20
1.83?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"=20
align=3Dcenter><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">MAC<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
4"> &nbs=
p; &nbs p; =20
</SPAN>Um . . . processor?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center"=20
align=3Dcenter><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">PC<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
4"> &nbs=
p; &nbs p; =20
</SPAN>Uh, never mind.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
</SPAN>Hey, I like=20
games, too.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I just got a =
GeForce=20
7800 GTX <SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
4"> &nbs=
p; &nbs p; =20
</SPAN>graphics card installed.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
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</SPAN>Oh.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Really?<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>But . . . you're just a PC . . =
.. What's=20
a graphics <SPAN style=3D"mso-tab-count: 1"></SPAN><SPAN=20
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3"> &nbs=
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</SPAN><SPAN=20
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
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align=3Dcenter><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
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</SPAN>Mac, why don't you go play, sweetie . . . I have some work <SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: 2"> =
</SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
2"> =20
</SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
2"> =20
</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"mso-tab-count: 1"> =
</SPAN>to=20
do . . . it's big-people stuff.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
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| Re: OT -- the new Mac ads [message #69362 is a reply to message #69361] |
Fri, 16 June 2006 01:24  |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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so are you saying that PC's actually work?????? macheads aren't going
to like to hear that.
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:45:19 -0700, "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com>
wrote:
>If you haven't seen the new TV ads for Mac, this won't make much sense, but this is the one I'd like to see:
>
>FADE IN:
>
>
>
>interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
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>
>
>PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (young cute guy) facing camera, standing side by side between two computer monitors
>
>
>
>MAC
>
> Hi, I'm a Mac.
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>
>
>PC
>
> Hi, I'm a PC.
>
>
>
>MAC
>
> I'm into music, video, games, stuff like that . . .
>
>
>
>PC
>
> Wow! Music, video, and games? Coooool . . . Wish I could do that . . . (winks at camera)
>
>
>
>MAC
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> Yeah, and I'm really cute and hip-looking, too.
>
>
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>PC
>
> Yes, you are. Do you have the 2GHz processor, or the 1.83?
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>
>
>MAC
>
> Um . . . processor?
>
>
>
>PC
>
> Uh, never mind. Hey, I like games, too. I just got a GeForce 7800 GTX graphics card installed.
>
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>
>MAC
>
> Oh. Really? But . . . you're just a PC . . . What's a graphics card?
>
>
>
>PC
>
> Mac, why don't you go play, sweetie . . . I have some work to do . . . it's big-people stuff.
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>MAC
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> OK.
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| Re: OT -- the new Mac ads [message #69365 is a reply to message #69361] |
Fri, 16 June 2006 05:58 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
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"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message =
news:4492605e@linux...
If you haven't seen the new TV ads for Mac, this won't make much =
sense, but this is the one I'd like to see:
FADE IN:=20
=20
interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
=20
PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (young cute guy) facing camera, standing =
side by side between two computer monitors
=20
MAC
Hi, I'm a Mac.
=20
PC
Hi, I'm a PC.
=20
MAC
I'm into music, video, games, stuff like that =
.. . .
=20
PC
Wow! Music, video, and games? Coooool . . . =
Wish I could do that . . . (winks at =
camera)
=20
MAC
Yeah, and I'm really cute and hip-looking, =
too.
=20
PC
Yes, you are. Do you have the 2GHz processor, =
or the 1.83?
=20
MAC
Um . . . processor?
=20
PC
Uh, never mind. Hey, I like games, too. I =
just got a GeForce 7800 GTX graphics card installed.
=20
MAC
Oh. Really? But . . . you're just a PC . . . =
What's a graphics card?
=20
PC
Mac, why don't you go play, sweetie . . . I =
have some work to do . . . it's =
big-people stuff.
=20
MAC
OK.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you haven't seen the new TV ads =
for Mac, this=20
won't make much sense, but this is the one I'd like to =
see:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
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monitors<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center; mso-pagination: =
none; mso-layout-grid-align: none"=20
align=3Dcenter><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">MAC<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
4"> &nbs=
p; &nbs p; =20
</SPAN>Hi, I'm a Mac.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center; mso-pagination: =
none; mso-layout-grid-align: none"=20
align=3Dcenter><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">PC<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
4"> &nbs=
p; &nbs p; =20
</SPAN>Hi, I'm a PC.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center; mso-pagination: =
none; mso-layout-grid-align: none"=20
align=3Dcenter><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">MAC<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
4"> &nbs=
p; &nbs p; =20
</SPAN>I'm into music, video, games, stuff like that . .=20
.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center; mso-pagination: =
none; mso-layout-grid-align: none"=20
align=3Dcenter><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">PC<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
4"> &nbs=
p; &nbs p; =20
</SPAN>Wow!<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Music, =
video, and=20
games? Coooool . . . Wish <B style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><I =
style=3D"mso-bidi-font-style: normal">I</I></B> could do <SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
3"> &nbs=
p; =20
</SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
2"> =20
</SPAN>that . . . (winks at camera)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center; mso-pagination: =
none; mso-layout-grid-align: none"=20
align=3Dcenter><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">MAC<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
4"> &nbs=
p; &nbs p; =20
</SPAN>Yeah, and I'm really cute and hip-looking, =
too.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center; mso-pagination: =
none; mso-layout-grid-align: none"=20
align=3Dcenter><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">PC<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
4"> &nbs=
p; &nbs p; =20
</SPAN>Yes, you are. Do you have the 2GHz processor, or the=20
1.83?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center; mso-pagination: =
none; mso-layout-grid-align: none"=20
align=3Dcenter><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">MAC<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
4"> &nbs=
p; &nbs p; =20
</SPAN>Um . . . processor?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" =
align=3Dcenter><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">PC<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
4"> &nbs=
p; &nbs p; =20
</SPAN>Uh, never mind.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
</SPAN>Hey, I=20
like games, too.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I just =
got a=20
GeForce 7800 GTX <SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
4"> &nbs=
p; &nbs p; =20
</SPAN>graphics card installed.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" =
align=3Dcenter><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">MAC<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
4"> &nbs=
p; &nbs p; =20
</SPAN>Oh.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Really?<SPAN =
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>But . . . you're just a PC . =
.. .=20
What's a graphics <SPAN style=3D"mso-tab-count: 1"></SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
3"> &nbs=
p; =20
</SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
2"> =20
</SPAN>card?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" =
align=3Dcenter><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">PC<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
4"> &nbs=
p; &nbs p; =20
</SPAN>Mac, why don't you go play, sweetie . . . I have some work =
<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: 2"> =
</SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
2"> =20
</SPAN><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
2"> =20
</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"mso-tab-count: 1"> =
</SPAN>to=20
do . . . it's big-people stuff.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" =
align=3Dcenter><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier =
New'">MAC<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: =
4"> &nbs=
p; &nbs p; =20
</SPAN>OK.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-pagination: none; =
mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN=20
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| Re: OT -- the new Mac ads [message #69369 is a reply to message #69361] |
Fri, 16 June 2006 09:07 |
Tony Benson
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Yawn.
Tony
"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message news:4492605e@linux...
If you haven't seen the new TV ads for Mac, this won't make much sense, but
this is the one I'd like to see:
FADE IN:
interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (young cute guy) facing camera, standing side
by side between two computer monitors
MAC
Hi, I'm a Mac.
PC
Hi, I'm a PC.
MAC
I'm into music, video, games, stuff like that . . .
PC
Wow! Music, video, and games? Coooool . . . Wish I
could do that . . . (winks at camera)
MAC
Yeah, and I'm really cute and hip-looking, too.
PC
Yes, you are. Do you have the 2GHz processor, or the
1.83?
MAC
Um . . . processor?
PC
Uh, never mind. Hey, I like games, too. I just got
a GeForce 7800 GTX graphics card installed.
MAC
Oh. Really? But . . . you're just a PC . . .
What's a graphics card?
PC
Mac, why don't you go play, sweetie . . . I have
some work to do . . . it's big-people
stuff.
MAC
OK.
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| Re: OT -- the new Mac ads- Here's the ad I'd rather see! [message #69371 is a reply to message #69361] |
Fri, 16 June 2006 10:23 |
excelav
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FADE IN:
interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (younger guy) facing camera, standing side by
side between two computer monitors
MAC
Hi, I'm a Mac.
PC
Hi, I'm a PC.
MAC
I'm into music, video, games, stuff like that . .
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Fri, 16 June 2006 10:27 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
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Location: Metro Detroit
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FADE IN:
interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (younger guy) facing camera, standing side by
side between two computer monitors
MAC
Hi, I'm a Mac.
PC
Hi, I'm a PC.
MAC
I'm into music, video, games, stuff like that . .
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Fri, 16 June 2006 10:33 |
EK Sound
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I take it your MAC crashed in the middle of typing.... ;-)
David.
James McCloskey wrote:
> FADE IN:
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> side between two computer monitors
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> Hi, I'm a Mac.
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| Re: OT -- the new Mac ads- Here's the ad I'd rather see! [message #69374 is a reply to message #69361] |
Fri, 16 June 2006 10:46 |
excelav
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One more time... I just love PC formating!
FADE IN:
interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (younger guy) facing camera, standing side by
side between two computer monitors.
MAC
Hi, I'm a Mac.
PC
And I'm a PC.
MAC
I'm into music, video, games, stuff like that ...
PC
Wow! Music, video, and games? Coooool . . . Wish I could do that . . . (winks
at camera)
MAC
Yeah, I'm number one in Music, number two in professional video editing and
now I can run Mac and PC Games too! By the way I'm really an elegant design,
I constantly win awards, the industry is always trying to copy me, too.
Have you seen my operating system? It's vary elegant too! Oh yeah, that's
right, your trying to copy it.
PC
Yes, you are! Do you have the 2GHz processor, or the 1.83?
MAC
Um . . . processor? I have four of them, 2.5MHz or dual 2.7MHz! I've got
up to 4MB L2 cache, 8GB of main memory, and eight double-precision floating-point
units for blistering performance of up to 76.6 gigaflops, for some heavy
lifting. Check back with me next month, the whole industry will be talking
about my new processors, I'll be showing at MacWorld!
PC
Uh, never mind. Hey, I like games, too. I just got a GeForce 7800 GTX graphics
card installed.
MAC
Oh, Really? It's not necessary to install a better video card, I come with
a great video card already installed! In fact, I have a great selection
of video cards including an NVIDIA GeForce 7800 series card and an even faster
NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500! Speaking of graphics, have you seen my 30-inch Apple
Cinema HD Display?
PC
WOW! I guess I should get my head out of my ass and quit being so ignorant
about Macs!
MAC
Ah...yeah! Ignorance is so blissful!
James
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Fri, 16 June 2006 10:52 |
excelav
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EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>I take it your MAC crashed in the middle of typing.... ;-)
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>David.
No never, not with my Mac, but that's the kind of shit my PC does on a regular
basis though!
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>James McCloskey wrote:
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>> PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (younger guy) facing camera, standing side
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>> Hi, I'm a Mac.
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| Re: OT -- the new Mac ads [message #69377 is a reply to message #69365] |
Fri, 16 June 2006 11:27 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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question...when the guts are PC and it's running bootcamp and XP is it
still a mac...or is it a pc. isn't it also funny now that macs are pc
inside they're now have the power they claimed they had.
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 06:58:35 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>;o)
> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message news:4492605e@linux...
> If you haven't seen the new TV ads for Mac, this won't make much sense, but this is the one I'd like to see:
>
> FADE IN:
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> interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
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> PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (young cute guy) facing camera, standing side by side between two computer monitors
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> Hi, I'm a Mac.
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> Hi, I'm a PC.
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> I'm into music, video, games, stuff like that . . .
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> Wow! Music, video, and games? Coooool . . . Wish I could do that . . . (winks at camera)
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> Yeah, and I'm really cute and hip-looking, too.
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> Yes, you are. Do you have the 2GHz processor, or the 1.83?
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> Um . . . processor?
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> Uh, never mind. Hey, I like games, too. I just got a GeForce 7800 GTX graphics card installed.
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> Oh. Really? But . . . you're just a PC . . . What's a graphics card?
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| Re: OT -- the new Mac ads- Here's the ad I'd rather see! [message #69378 is a reply to message #69373] |
Fri, 16 June 2006 11:29 |
rick
Messages: 1976
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:33:57 -0600, EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>I take it your MAC crashed in the middle of typing.... ;-)
>
>David.
>
>James McCloskey wrote:
>> FADE IN:
>>
>>
>>
>> interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
>>
>>
>>
>> PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (younger guy) facing camera, standing side by
>> side between two computer monitors
>>
>>
>>
>> MAC
>>
>> Hi, I'm a Mac.
>>
>>
>>
>> PC
>>
>> Hi, I'm a PC.
>>
>>
>>
>> MAC
>>
>> I'm into music, video, games, stuff like that . .
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Fri, 16 June 2006 11:47 |
excelav
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Location: Metro Detroit
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rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>question...when the guts are PC and it's running bootcamp and XP is it
>still a mac...or is it a pc. isn't it also funny now that macs are pc
>inside they're now have the power they claimed they had.
>
>
Yes it's still a Mac. When Apple switched to the IBM G5 and it would no
longer run Mac O/S 9, it was still a Mac. Now Apple and Intel are designing
the MOBOs together. it's still a Mac. When somebody hacks Mac O/S X and
runs it on a PC does the PC become a Mac? No!
The intel Macs are running a whole new generation of intel chips.
James
>
>On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 06:58:35 -0600, "DJ"
><animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
>>;o)
>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message news:4492605e@linux...
>> If you haven't seen the new TV ads for Mac, this won't make much sense,
but this
>is the one I'd like to see:
>>
>> FADE IN:
>>
>>
>>
>> interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
>>
>>
>>
>> PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (young cute guy) facing camera, standing
side by side
>between two computer monitors
>>
>>
>>
>> MAC
>>
>> Hi, I'm a Mac.
>>
>>
>>
>> PC
>>
>> Hi, I'm a PC.
>>
>>
>>
>> MAC
>>
>> I'm into music, video, games, stuff like that
. . .
>>
>>
>>
>> PC
>>
>> Wow! Music, video, and games? Coooool . . .
Wish I could
>do that . . . (winks at camera)
>>
>>
>>
>> MAC
>>
>> Yeah, and I'm really cute and hip-looking, too.
>>
>>
>>
>> PC
>>
>> Yes, you are. Do you have the 2GHz processor,
or the 1.83?
>>
>>
>>
>> MAC
>>
>> Um . . . processor?
>>
>>
>>
>> PC
>>
>> Uh, never mind. Hey, I like games, too. I just
got a GeForce
>7800 GTX graphics card installed.
>>
>>
>>
>> MAC
>>
>> Oh. Really? But . . . you're just a PC . .
. What's a graphics
> card?
>>
>>
>>
>> PC
>>
>> Mac, why don't you go play, sweetie . . . I have
some work
> to do . . . it's big-people stuff.
>>
>>
>>
>> MAC
>>
>> OK.
>>
>>
>
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Fri, 16 June 2006 17:25 |
Deej [1]
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ROTFLMA****'inAO!!!!
;oD
"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:4492ea34$1@linux...
> I take it your MAC crashed in the middle of typing.... ;-)
>
> David.
>
> James McCloskey wrote:
> > FADE IN:
> >
> >
> >
> > interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
> >
> >
> >
> > PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (younger guy) facing camera, standing side
by
> > side between two computer monitors
> >
> >
> >
> > MAC
> >
> > Hi, I'm a Mac.
> >
> >
> >
> > PC
> >
> > Hi, I'm a PC.
> >
> >
> >
> > MAC
> >
> > I'm into music, video, games, stuff like that .
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Fri, 16 June 2006 17:39 |
excelav
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I do believe Apple needs to come down on their pricing, and I've said so here
in the past. You get what you pay for though! If you were to compare a
Hyundai or a KIA to a Cadillac, you have different pricing structures. The
Cadillac has a simulated birds eye maple dash, the KIA has a cheap gray dash.
Do you need a fancy dash?, I don't know but your definitely paying for it
in the price of the Cadillac! Do you need a computer with a fancy aluminum
alloy case?, I don't know but you are paying for it in the price of the Mac!
Macs also cost more because they are not mass produced in the quantities
that PCs are. It's like saying Ferraris suck because they cost five times
more than Cadillacs.
There is other tangible and intangible value in the price of a Mac, such
as your time, Macs just work! Almost no down time, there's not much time
spent on trying to get things to work. What is your time worth? PC guys
here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware conflicts,
.dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches. If
you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
I think the Mac drivers are better, and they're built in. No need to go searching
for the drivers. The iLife software rocks! Figure about $100.00 a program,
and then figure in that they actually work! There is no need for Anti Spyware
software, pop up blocking software. The need for anti virus software is
minimal, on a PC it is absolutely necessary if you are going on the internet
and down loading anything. Viruses still get buy the software on a PC, what
does time and lost data cost? On a mac you don't have to be a security administrator.
Macs are harder to hack.
The united States Navy, Hues aircraft and Boeing did cost of operation studies
in the past. It was something like 6 IT guys per 100 PCs to maintain and
administrate. It was 1 IT guy per 100 plus Macs to maintain and administrate.
Because of the lower labor costs, the over all costs for business is lower
with macs.
So Macs do cost more initially, but that cost is offset by the time saved
and the rest of the above mentioned. You get what you pay for!
I think the MacBook is a reasonable deal for what you get.
I'm not saying a Mac is perfect, it just looks that way next to a Windows
box!
I like my PCs too, I just know my Macs are better!
I say use what works for you.
James
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>OK, my turn...
>
>>FADE IN:
>>
>>interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
>>PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (younger guy) facing camera,
>>standing side by side between two computer monitors.
>>
>>MAC
>>
>>Hi, I'm a Mac.
>>
>>PC
>>
>>And I'm a PC.
>>
>>MAC
>>
>>I used to be different than him, but now I'm being built
>>like a PC with Intel chips & everything.
>>
>>PC
>>
>>Ummm... but you're still going to cost like three times as
>>much as a PC?
>>
>>MAC
>>
>>Uhhh... Yeah! <winks at camera>
>
>FADE TO BLACK
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Fri, 16 June 2006 17:54 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
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>PC guys
>here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
conflicts,
>dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches. If
>you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
OK James. I would be really curious to know if you think you could set up
two Macs to work exactly like I've got my PC's working and tell me if
everything works perfectly first time. I would be really curious to know. My
Paris PC cost me about $500.00. My Native PC cost me around $700.00
(neither price includes montors or audio hardware).
You will need a Mac for Paris (which I assume you've already got) and it
will need to have at least a 2G CPU, I G of RAM and 4 x video heads.. The
Native machine will need to be running Cubase SX and have a dual 2.5G CPU, 4
G RAM, 4 x UAD-1 cards 3 x RME HDSP cards running in two separate Magma
chassis' (unless you can somehow cram all of this into a mobo and 1 Magma)
and three video heads.
I will admit it took a while to get this working properly on a PC, (properly
meaning the *exact* way I had planned it to work) but it certainly did not
put me out of business for one second or lose me any money because I had
total control of the OS and I could work around every glitch I encountered
until I found the sweet spot. No downtime........none at all........just
lots of options when I needed them while I configured the
system..........and yes, there is some configuration time involved to be
sure, but I'm the one doing the configuring rather than having an OS handed
to me that has ten tons of crap bundled with it that I'll never use and I'm
expected to take or leave. Can you strip this stuff out of Mac OS like you
can with Windows? I'm curious.
Regards,
Deej
..
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:44934f4e$1@linux...
>
> I do believe Apple needs to come down on their pricing, and I've said so
here
> in the past. You get what you pay for though! If you were to compare a
> Hyundai or a KIA to a Cadillac, you have different pricing structures.
The
> Cadillac has a simulated birds eye maple dash, the KIA has a cheap gray
dash.
> Do you need a fancy dash?, I don't know but your definitely paying for it
> in the price of the Cadillac! Do you need a computer with a fancy
aluminum
> alloy case?, I don't know but you are paying for it in the price of the
Mac!
> Macs also cost more because they are not mass produced in the quantities
> that PCs are. It's like saying Ferraris suck because they cost five times
> more than Cadillacs.
>
> There is other tangible and intangible value in the price of a Mac, such
> as your time, Macs just work! Almost no down time, there's not much time
> spent on trying to get things to work. What is your time worth? PC guys
> here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
conflicts,
> dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches. If
> you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
>
> I think the Mac drivers are better, and they're built in. No need to go
searching
> for the drivers. The iLife software rocks! Figure about $100.00 a
program,
> and then figure in that they actually work! There is no need for Anti
Spyware
> software, pop up blocking software. The need for anti virus software is
> minimal, on a PC it is absolutely necessary if you are going on the
internet
> and down loading anything. Viruses still get buy the software on a PC,
what
> does time and lost data cost? On a mac you don't have to be a security
administrator.
> Macs are harder to hack.
>
> The united States Navy, Hues aircraft and Boeing did cost of operation
studies
> in the past. It was something like 6 IT guys per 100 PCs to maintain and
> administrate. It was 1 IT guy per 100 plus Macs to maintain and
administrate.
> Because of the lower labor costs, the over all costs for business is
lower
> with macs.
>
> So Macs do cost more initially, but that cost is offset by the time saved
> and the rest of the above mentioned. You get what you pay for!
>
> I think the MacBook is a reasonable deal for what you get.
>
> I'm not saying a Mac is perfect, it just looks that way next to a Windows
> box!
>
> I like my PCs too, I just know my Macs are better!
>
> I say use what works for you.
>
> James
>
> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
> >
> >OK, my turn...
> >
> >>FADE IN:
> >>
> >>interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
> >>PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (younger guy) facing camera,
> >>standing side by side between two computer monitors.
> >>
> >>MAC
> >>
> >>Hi, I'm a Mac.
> >>
> >>PC
> >>
> >>And I'm a PC.
> >>
> >>MAC
> >>
> >>I used to be different than him, but now I'm being built
> >>like a PC with Intel chips & everything.
> >>
> >>PC
> >>
> >>Ummm... but you're still going to cost like three times as
> >>much as a PC?
> >>
> >>MAC
> >>
> >>Uhhh... Yeah! <winks at camera>
> >
> >FADE TO BLACK
>
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Fri, 16 June 2006 18:12 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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If you didn't see all the ads, here are the links. Make sure you scroll
down and read the reasons why!
http://www.apple.com/getamac/
http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I do believe Apple needs to come down on their pricing, and I've said so
here
>in the past. You get what you pay for though! If you were to compare a
>Hyundai or a KIA to a Cadillac, you have different pricing structures.
The
>Cadillac has a simulated birds eye maple dash, the KIA has a cheap gray
dash.
> Do you need a fancy dash?, I don't know but your definitely paying for
it
>in the price of the Cadillac! Do you need a computer with a fancy aluminum
>alloy case?, I don't know but you are paying for it in the price of the
Mac!
> Macs also cost more because they are not mass produced in the quantities
>that PCs are. It's like saying Ferraris suck because they cost five times
>more than Cadillacs.
>
>There is other tangible and intangible value in the price of a Mac, such
>as your time, Macs just work! Almost no down time, there's not much time
>spent on trying to get things to work. What is your time worth? PC guys
>here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware conflicts,
>dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches. If
>you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
>
>I think the Mac drivers are better, and they're built in. No need to go
searching
>for the drivers. The iLife software rocks! Figure about $100.00 a program,
>and then figure in that they actually work! There is no need for Anti Spyware
>software, pop up blocking software. The need for anti virus software is
>minimal, on a PC it is absolutely necessary if you are going on the internet
>and down loading anything. Viruses still get buy the software on a PC,
what
>does time and lost data cost? On a mac you don't have to be a security
administrator.
> Macs are harder to hack.
>
>The united States Navy, Hues aircraft and Boeing did cost of operation studies
>in the past. It was something like 6 IT guys per 100 PCs to maintain and
>administrate. It was 1 IT guy per 100 plus Macs to maintain and administrate.
> Because of the lower labor costs, the over all costs for business is lower
>with macs.
>
>So Macs do cost more initially, but that cost is offset by the time saved
>and the rest of the above mentioned. You get what you pay for!
>
>I think the MacBook is a reasonable deal for what you get.
>
>I'm not saying a Mac is perfect, it just looks that way next to a Windows
>box!
>
>I like my PCs too, I just know my Macs are better!
>
>I say use what works for you.
>
>James
>
>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>OK, my turn...
>>
>>>FADE IN:
>>>
>>>interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
>>>PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (younger guy) facing camera,
>>>standing side by side between two computer monitors.
>>>
>>>MAC
>>>
>>>Hi, I'm a Mac.
>>>
>>>PC
>>>
>>>And I'm a PC.
>>>
>>>MAC
>>>
>>>I used to be different than him, but now I'm being built
>>>like a PC with Intel chips & everything.
>>>
>>>PC
>>>
>>>Ummm... but you're still going to cost like three times as
>>>much as a PC?
>>>
>>>MAC
>>>
>>>Uhhh... Yeah! <winks at camera>
>>
>>FADE TO BLACK
>
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Fri, 16 June 2006 19:43 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
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Location: Metro Detroit
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Well, yes and no. Would it be the same exact system for the same kind of
money, no. Obviously your system is quite unique, so I think it is a little
unfair to ask if I could duplicate it exactly. I think you could have a
similar setup with all Macs and I think it would work a lot more problem
free. Price never seems the be too much of an object, so here it is.
Mac G4 1.25 GHz ( about equivalent to a P4 2.8 GHz) you could also upgrade
to 1.8GHz G4 for more power. The G4 has 4 PCI slots and 1 AGP slot.
Add a dual monitor PCI card for four monitors expanded desk top. Or you
could add a four head AGP card and save a PCI slot.
Add Magma for 13 PCI slots this would give you up to 15 PCI slots.
You can install 2GB of memory in the G4 and 4 HDs, plus external FW HDs.
16GB of memory in the G5. You also have Gigabit Ethernet on both machines
standard, that might come in handy. You also have FireWire as an option
for audio I/O, and DSPs. FW actually works on a Mac.
SX machine G5 Quad 2.5GHz with 16 GB of RAM, FW 400 & FW 800, USB 2, dual
HDs, dual head video, if you needed more monitors you could add a 4 head
AGP or add a dual PCI-E card.
Add the Magma and add your cards.
You can delete all the software you don't want. If your talking about stripping
out the system software, I wouldn't do it!, but there are people that can.
You can simply turn off the extensions on the O/S 9 machine, or you can
throw the stuff away you don't want like the printer drivers or language
libraries, etc.
I think it would work, and I think you would find in time, that it would
work trouble free for the most part. I think it would be rock solid and
run smooth. But I think your system works for you, so why change.
James
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>PC guys
>>here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
>conflicts,
>>dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches. If
>>you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
>
>OK James. I would be really curious to know if you think you could set up
>two Macs to work exactly like I've got my PC's working and tell me if
>everything works perfectly first time. I would be really curious to know.
My
>Paris PC cost me about $500.00. My Native PC cost me around $700.00
>(neither price includes montors or audio hardware).
>
>You will need a Mac for Paris (which I assume you've already got) and it
>will need to have at least a 2G CPU, I G of RAM and 4 x video heads.. The
>Native machine will need to be running Cubase SX and have a dual 2.5G CPU,
4
>G RAM, 4 x UAD-1 cards 3 x RME HDSP cards running in two separate Magma
>chassis' (unless you can somehow cram all of this into a mobo and 1 Magma)
>and three video heads.
>
>I will admit it took a while to get this working properly on a PC, (properly
>meaning the *exact* way I had planned it to work) but it certainly did not
>put me out of business for one second or lose me any money because I had
>total control of the OS and I could work around every glitch I encountered
>until I found the sweet spot. No downtime........none at all........just
>lots of options when I needed them while I configured the
>system..........and yes, there is some configuration time involved to be
>sure, but I'm the one doing the configuring rather than having an OS handed
>to me that has ten tons of crap bundled with it that I'll never use and
I'm
>expected to take or leave. Can you strip this stuff out of Mac OS like you
>can with Windows? I'm curious.
>
>Regards,
>
>Deej
>
>
>.
>
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:44934f4e$1@linux...
>>
>> I do believe Apple needs to come down on their pricing, and I've said
so
>here
>> in the past. You get what you pay for though! If you were to compare
a
>> Hyundai or a KIA to a Cadillac, you have different pricing structures.
>The
>> Cadillac has a simulated birds eye maple dash, the KIA has a cheap gray
>dash.
>> Do you need a fancy dash?, I don't know but your definitely paying for
it
>> in the price of the Cadillac! Do you need a computer with a fancy
>aluminum
>> alloy case?, I don't know but you are paying for it in the price of the
>Mac!
>> Macs also cost more because they are not mass produced in the quantities
>> that PCs are. It's like saying Ferraris suck because they cost five times
>> more than Cadillacs.
>>
>> There is other tangible and intangible value in the price of a Mac, such
>> as your time, Macs just work! Almost no down time, there's not much
time
>> spent on trying to get things to work. What is your time worth? PC guys
>> here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
>conflicts,
>> dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches. If
>> you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
>>
>> I think the Mac drivers are better, and they're built in. No need to go
>searching
>> for the drivers. The iLife software rocks! Figure about $100.00 a
>program,
>> and then figure in that they actually work! There is no need for Anti
>Spyware
>> software, pop up blocking software. The need for anti virus software
is
>> minimal, on a PC it is absolutely necessary if you are going on the
>internet
>> and down loading anything. Viruses still get buy the software on a PC,
>what
>> does time and lost data cost? On a mac you don't have to be a security
>administrator.
>> Macs are harder to hack.
>>
>> The united States Navy, Hues aircraft and Boeing did cost of operation
>studies
>> in the past. It was something like 6 IT guys per 100 PCs to maintain
and
>> administrate. It was 1 IT guy per 100 plus Macs to maintain and
>administrate.
>> Because of the lower labor costs, the over all costs for business is
>lower
>> with macs.
>>
>> So Macs do cost more initially, but that cost is offset by the time saved
>> and the rest of the above mentioned. You get what you pay for!
>>
>> I think the MacBook is a reasonable deal for what you get.
>>
>> I'm not saying a Mac is perfect, it just looks that way next to a Windows
>> box!
>>
>> I like my PCs too, I just know my Macs are better!
>>
>> I say use what works for you.
>>
>> James
>>
>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >OK, my turn...
>> >
>> >>FADE IN:
>> >>
>> >>interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
>> >>PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (younger guy) facing camera,
>> >>standing side by side between two computer monitors.
>> >>
>> >>MAC
>> >>
>> >>Hi, I'm a Mac.
>> >>
>> >>PC
>> >>
>> >>And I'm a PC.
>> >>
>> >>MAC
>> >>
>> >>I used to be different than him, but now I'm being built
>> >>like a PC with Intel chips & everything.
>> >>
>> >>PC
>> >>
>> >>Ummm... but you're still going to cost like three times as
>> >>much as a PC?
>> >>
>> >>MAC
>> >>
>> >>Uhhh... Yeah! <winks at camera>
>> >
>> >FADE TO BLACK
>>
>
>
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| Re: OT -- the new Mac ads- Here's the ad I'd rather see! [message #69400 is a reply to message #69395] |
Fri, 16 June 2006 20:19 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Senior Member |
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I wouldn't want to be in charge of supporting the setup you've got,
Deej. But your stories are great.
The amount of time you've taken to just relate your tweaking adventures
is enough to pay for a fast Mac several times over, let alone the time
and money it took to actually do the tweaking, researching and buying of
more zippy stuff to hang off your hot rod. It's all very cool and more
power to you! Someday I will make a pilgrimage to your studio just to
bow in awe.
I will say this: The latest version of Logic on a dual 2.5GHZ OSX mac
with the cool AU plugins I have is one amazing setup. It blows away what
I could accomplish in PARIS. It has a much better integrated work flow.
And it all only takes one Mac (Logic can split processes to additional
machines but I've never needed to do that with this rig).
It took a long time to get here. But it's here. There's also a learning
curve (couple weeks) but I'm well past that.
BTW, there is NO need to strip anything out of MacOSX for audio on this
machine. I can be online, run several other major programs, and be
working on a massive Logic project, no prob. Core audio, dood. ;^) It's
working pretty well.
If I need to I can drop in up to 8GB RAM for more play room (I have
2.5GB right now). This machine is two years old and rocks hard. It's
good to go for the next few years.
There have still been a few Logic weirdnesses now and then, so there's
more development work to do. But nothing that's brought down the OS or
lost any work.
I've enjoyed reading everyone's commercials. :^)
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
DJ wrote:
>> PC guys
>> here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
> conflicts,
>> dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches. If
>> you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
>
> OK James. I would be really curious to know if you think you could set up
> two Macs to work exactly like I've got my PC's working and tell me if
> everything works perfectly first time. I would be really curious to know. My
> Paris PC cost me about $500.00. My Native PC cost me around $700.00
> (neither price includes montors or audio hardware).
>
> You will need a Mac for Paris (which I assume you've already got) and it
> will need to have at least a 2G CPU, I G of RAM and 4 x video heads.. The
> Native machine will need to be running Cubase SX and have a dual 2.5G CPU, 4
> G RAM, 4 x UAD-1 cards 3 x RME HDSP cards running in two separate Magma
> chassis' (unless you can somehow cram all of this into a mobo and 1 Magma)
> and three video heads.
>
> I will admit it took a while to get this working properly on a PC, (properly
> meaning the *exact* way I had planned it to work) but it certainly did not
> put me out of business for one second or lose me any money because I had
> total control of the OS and I could work around every glitch I encountered
> until I found the sweet spot. No downtime........none at all........just
> lots of options when I needed them while I configured the
> system..........and yes, there is some configuration time involved to be
> sure, but I'm the one doing the configuring rather than having an OS handed
> to me that has ten tons of crap bundled with it that I'll never use and I'm
> expected to take or leave. Can you strip this stuff out of Mac OS like you
> can with Windows? I'm curious.
>
> Regards,
>
> Deej
>
>
> .
>
>
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:44934f4e$1@linux...
>> I do believe Apple needs to come down on their pricing, and I've said so
> here
>> in the past. You get what you pay for though! If you were to compare a
>> Hyundai or a KIA to a Cadillac, you have different pricing structures.
> The
>> Cadillac has a simulated birds eye maple dash, the KIA has a cheap gray
> dash.
>> Do you need a fancy dash?, I don't know but your definitely paying for it
>> in the price of the Cadillac! Do you need a computer with a fancy
> aluminum
>> alloy case?, I don't know but you are paying for it in the price of the
> Mac!
>> Macs also cost more because they are not mass produced in the quantities
>> that PCs are. It's like saying Ferraris suck because they cost five times
>> more than Cadillacs.
>>
>> There is other tangible and intangible value in the price of a Mac, such
>> as your time, Macs just work! Almost no down time, there's not much time
>> spent on trying to get things to work. What is your time worth? PC guys
>> here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
> conflicts,
>> dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches. If
>> you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
>>
>> I think the Mac drivers are better, and they're built in. No need to go
> searching
>> for the drivers. The iLife software rocks! Figure about $100.00 a
> program,
>> and then figure in that they actually work! There is no need for Anti
> Spyware
>> software, pop up blocking software. The need for anti virus software is
>> minimal, on a PC it is absolutely necessary if you are going on the
> internet
>> and down loading anything. Viruses still get buy the software on a PC,
> what
>> does time and lost data cost? On a mac you don't have to be a security
> administrator.
>> Macs are harder to hack.
>>
>> The united States Navy, Hues aircraft and Boeing did cost of operation
> studies
>> in the past. It was something like 6 IT guys per 100 PCs to maintain and
>> administrate. It was 1 IT guy per 100 plus Macs to maintain and
> administrate.
>> Because of the lower labor costs, the over all costs for business is
> lower
>> with macs.
>>
>> So Macs do cost more initially, but that cost is offset by the time saved
>> and the rest of the above mentioned. You get what you pay for!
>>
>> I think the MacBook is a reasonable deal for what you get.
>>
>> I'm not saying a Mac is perfect, it just looks that way next to a Windows
>> box!
>>
>> I like my PCs too, I just know my Macs are better!
>>
>> I say use what works for you.
>>
>> James
>>
>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>> OK, my turn...
>>>
>>>> FADE IN:
>>>>
>>>> interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
>>>> PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (younger guy) facing camera,
>>>> standing side by side between two computer monitors.
>>>>
>>>> MAC
>>>>
>>>> Hi, I'm a Mac.
>>>>
>>>> PC
>>>>
>>>> And I'm a PC.
>>>>
>>>> MAC
>>>>
>>>> I used to be different than him, but now I'm being built
>>>> like a PC with Intel chips & everything.
>>>>
>>>> PC
>>>>
>>>> Ummm... but you're still going to cost like three times as
>>>> much as a PC?
>>>>
>>>> MAC
>>>>
>>>> Uhhh... Yeah! <winks at camera>
>>> FADE TO BLACK
>
>
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| Re: OT -- the new Mac ads- Here's the ad I'd rather see! [message #69401 is a reply to message #69399] |
Fri, 16 June 2006 20:40 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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Senior Member |
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I'm all for ease of use...........so tell me, if I was using a Mac for my
native rig, do you think I could have use of all 13 PCI slots in the Magma?
If there are no IRQ's with the Mac, then does this translate that any PCI
card I put in any PCI slot is going to work with the Mac with no conflicts
with other PCI cards? The reason I ask is that with a 13 slot Magma, I can
use only 7 of the slots for UAD-1 cards due to IRQ conflicts and if I were
to actually use 7 of the 13 slots, there would be massive PCI bus overload.
This wouldn't happen on a Mac? I can fill up a Magma with whatever I want,
insert the host card into a PCI slot in a new G5 and all of the cards will
just work because it's a Mac?
Thanks,
Deej
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:44936c3c$1@linux...
>
> Well, yes and no. Would it be the same exact system for the same kind of
> money, no. Obviously your system is quite unique, so I think it is a
little
> unfair to ask if I could duplicate it exactly. I think you could have a
> similar setup with all Macs and I think it would work a lot more problem
> free. Price never seems the be too much of an object, so here it is.
>
> Mac G4 1.25 GHz ( about equivalent to a P4 2.8 GHz) you could also
upgrade
> to 1.8GHz G4 for more power. The G4 has 4 PCI slots and 1 AGP slot.
>
> Add a dual monitor PCI card for four monitors expanded desk top. Or you
> could add a four head AGP card and save a PCI slot.
>
> Add Magma for 13 PCI slots this would give you up to 15 PCI slots.
>
> You can install 2GB of memory in the G4 and 4 HDs, plus external FW HDs.
> 16GB of memory in the G5. You also have Gigabit Ethernet on both
machines
> standard, that might come in handy. You also have FireWire as an option
> for audio I/O, and DSPs. FW actually works on a Mac.
>
> SX machine G5 Quad 2.5GHz with 16 GB of RAM, FW 400 & FW 800, USB 2, dual
> HDs, dual head video, if you needed more monitors you could add a 4 head
> AGP or add a dual PCI-E card.
>
> Add the Magma and add your cards.
>
> You can delete all the software you don't want. If your talking about
stripping
> out the system software, I wouldn't do it!, but there are people that can.
> You can simply turn off the extensions on the O/S 9 machine, or you can
> throw the stuff away you don't want like the printer drivers or language
> libraries, etc.
>
> I think it would work, and I think you would find in time, that it would
> work trouble free for the most part. I think it would be rock solid and
> run smooth. But I think your system works for you, so why change.
>
> James
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>PC guys
> >>here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
> >conflicts,
> >>dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches. If
> >>you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
> >
> >OK James. I would be really curious to know if you think you could set up
> >two Macs to work exactly like I've got my PC's working and tell me if
> >everything works perfectly first time. I would be really curious to know.
> My
> >Paris PC cost me about $500.00. My Native PC cost me around $700.00
> >(neither price includes montors or audio hardware).
> >
> >You will need a Mac for Paris (which I assume you've already got) and it
> >will need to have at least a 2G CPU, I G of RAM and 4 x video heads.. The
> >Native machine will need to be running Cubase SX and have a dual 2.5G
CPU,
> 4
> >G RAM, 4 x UAD-1 cards 3 x RME HDSP cards running in two separate Magma
> >chassis' (unless you can somehow cram all of this into a mobo and 1
Magma)
> >and three video heads.
> >
> >I will admit it took a while to get this working properly on a PC,
(properly
> >meaning the *exact* way I had planned it to work) but it certainly did
not
> >put me out of business for one second or lose me any money because I had
> >total control of the OS and I could work around every glitch I
encountered
> >until I found the sweet spot. No downtime........none at all........just
> >lots of options when I needed them while I configured the
> >system..........and yes, there is some configuration time involved to be
> >sure, but I'm the one doing the configuring rather than having an OS
handed
> >to me that has ten tons of crap bundled with it that I'll never use and
> I'm
> >expected to take or leave. Can you strip this stuff out of Mac OS like
you
> >can with Windows? I'm curious.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Deej
> >
> >
> >.
> >
> >
> >
> >"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:44934f4e$1@linux...
> >>
> >> I do believe Apple needs to come down on their pricing, and I've said
> so
> >here
> >> in the past. You get what you pay for though! If you were to compare
> a
> >> Hyundai or a KIA to a Cadillac, you have different pricing structures.
> >The
> >> Cadillac has a simulated birds eye maple dash, the KIA has a cheap gray
> >dash.
> >> Do you need a fancy dash?, I don't know but your definitely paying for
> it
> >> in the price of the Cadillac! Do you need a computer with a fancy
> >aluminum
> >> alloy case?, I don't know but you are paying for it in the price of the
> >Mac!
> >> Macs also cost more because they are not mass produced in the
quantities
> >> that PCs are. It's like saying Ferraris suck because they cost five
times
> >> more than Cadillacs.
> >>
> >> There is other tangible and intangible value in the price of a Mac,
such
> >> as your time, Macs just work! Almost no down time, there's not much
> time
> >> spent on trying to get things to work. What is your time worth? PC
guys
> >> here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
> >conflicts,
> >> dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches. If
> >> you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
> >>
> >> I think the Mac drivers are better, and they're built in. No need to go
> >searching
> >> for the drivers. The iLife software rocks! Figure about $100.00 a
> >program,
> >> and then figure in that they actually work! There is no need for Anti
> >Spyware
> >> software, pop up blocking software. The need for anti virus software
> is
> >> minimal, on a PC it is absolutely necessary if you are going on the
> >internet
> >> and down loading anything. Viruses still get buy the software on a PC,
> >what
> >> does time and lost data cost? On a mac you don't have to be a security
> >administrator.
> >> Macs are harder to hack.
> >>
> >> The united States Navy, Hues aircraft and Boeing did cost of operation
> >studies
> >> in the past. It was something like 6 IT guys per 100 PCs to maintain
> and
> >> administrate. It was 1 IT guy per 100 plus Macs to maintain and
> >administrate.
> >> Because of the lower labor costs, the over all costs for business is
> >lower
> >> with macs.
> >>
> >> So Macs do cost more initially, but that cost is offset by the time
saved
> >> and the rest of the above mentioned. You get what you pay for!
> >>
> >> I think the MacBook is a reasonable deal for what you get.
> >>
> >> I'm not saying a Mac is perfect, it just looks that way next to a
Windows
> >> box!
> >>
> >> I like my PCs too, I just know my Macs are better!
> >>
> >> I say use what works for you.
> >>
> >> James
> >>
> >> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >OK, my turn...
> >> >
> >> >>FADE IN:
> >> >>
> >> >>interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
> >> >>PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (younger guy) facing camera,
> >> >>standing side by side between two computer monitors.
> >> >>
> >> >>MAC
> >> >>
> >> >>Hi, I'm a Mac.
> >> >>
> >> >>PC
> >> >>
> >> >>And I'm a PC.
> >> >>
> >> >>MAC
> >> >>
> >> >>I used to be different than him, but now I'm being built
> >> >>like a PC with Intel chips & everything.
> >> >>
> >> >>PC
> >> >>
> >> >>Ummm... but you're still going to cost like three times as
> >> >>much as a PC?
> >> >>
> >> >>MAC
> >> >>
> >> >>Uhhh... Yeah! <winks at camera>
> >> >
> >> >FADE TO BLACK
> >>
> >
> >
>
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| Re: OT -- the new Mac ads- Here's the ad I'd rather see! [message #69402 is a reply to message #69399] |
Fri, 16 June 2006 20:41 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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Senior Member |
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Oh yeah...............there is a 4 head video card for the Mac? Link please.
Thanks again,
Deej
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:44936c3c$1@linux...
>
> Well, yes and no. Would it be the same exact system for the same kind of
> money, no. Obviously your system is quite unique, so I think it is a
little
> unfair to ask if I could duplicate it exactly. I think you could have a
> similar setup with all Macs and I think it would work a lot more problem
> free. Price never seems the be too much of an object, so here it is.
>
> Mac G4 1.25 GHz ( about equivalent to a P4 2.8 GHz) you could also
upgrade
> to 1.8GHz G4 for more power. The G4 has 4 PCI slots and 1 AGP slot.
>
> Add a dual monitor PCI card for four monitors expanded desk top. Or you
> could add a four head AGP card and save a PCI slot.
>
> Add Magma for 13 PCI slots this would give you up to 15 PCI slots.
>
> You can install 2GB of memory in the G4 and 4 HDs, plus external FW HDs.
> 16GB of memory in the G5. You also have Gigabit Ethernet on both
machines
> standard, that might come in handy. You also have FireWire as an option
> for audio I/O, and DSPs. FW actually works on a Mac.
>
> SX machine G5 Quad 2.5GHz with 16 GB of RAM, FW 400 & FW 800, USB 2, dual
> HDs, dual head video, if you needed more monitors you could add a 4 head
> AGP or add a dual PCI-E card.
>
> Add the Magma and add your cards.
>
> You can delete all the software you don't want. If your talking about
stripping
> out the system software, I wouldn't do it!, but there are people that can.
> You can simply turn off the extensions on the O/S 9 machine, or you can
> throw the stuff away you don't want like the printer drivers or language
> libraries, etc.
>
> I think it would work, and I think you would find in time, that it would
> work trouble free for the most part. I think it would be rock solid and
> run smooth. But I think your system works for you, so why change.
>
> James
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>PC guys
> >>here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
> >conflicts,
> >>dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches. If
> >>you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
> >
> >OK James. I would be really curious to know if you think you could set up
> >two Macs to work exactly like I've got my PC's working and tell me if
> >everything works perfectly first time. I would be really curious to know.
> My
> >Paris PC cost me about $500.00. My Native PC cost me around $700.00
> >(neither price includes montors or audio hardware).
> >
> >You will need a Mac for Paris (which I assume you've already got) and it
> >will need to have at least a 2G CPU, I G of RAM and 4 x video heads.. The
> >Native machine will need to be running Cubase SX and have a dual 2.5G
CPU,
> 4
> >G RAM, 4 x UAD-1 cards 3 x RME HDSP cards running in two separate Magma
> >chassis' (unless you can somehow cram all of this into a mobo and 1
Magma)
> >and three video heads.
> >
> >I will admit it took a while to get this working properly on a PC,
(properly
> >meaning the *exact* way I had planned it to work) but it certainly did
not
> >put me out of business for one second or lose me any money because I had
> >total control of the OS and I could work around every glitch I
encountered
> >until I found the sweet spot. No downtime........none at all........just
> >lots of options when I needed them while I configured the
> >system..........and yes, there is some configuration time involved to be
> >sure, but I'm the one doing the configuring rather than having an OS
handed
> >to me that has ten tons of crap bundled with it that I'll never use and
> I'm
> >expected to take or leave. Can you strip this stuff out of Mac OS like
you
> >can with Windows? I'm curious.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Deej
> >
> >
> >.
> >
> >
> >
> >"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:44934f4e$1@linux...
> >>
> >> I do believe Apple needs to come down on their pricing, and I've said
> so
> >here
> >> in the past. You get what you pay for though! If you were to compare
> a
> >> Hyundai or a KIA to a Cadillac, you have different pricing structures.
> >The
> >> Cadillac has a simulated birds eye maple dash, the KIA has a cheap gray
> >dash.
> >> Do you need a fancy dash?, I don't know but your definitely paying for
> it
> >> in the price of the Cadillac! Do you need a computer with a fancy
> >aluminum
> >> alloy case?, I don't know but you are paying for it in the price of the
> >Mac!
> >> Macs also cost more because they are not mass produced in the
quantities
> >> that PCs are. It's like saying Ferraris suck because they cost five
times
> >> more than Cadillacs.
> >>
> >> There is other tangible and intangible value in the price of a Mac,
such
> >> as your time, Macs just work! Almost no down time, there's not much
> time
> >> spent on trying to get things to work. What is your time worth? PC
guys
> >> here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
> >conflicts,
> >> dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches. If
> >> you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
> >>
> >> I think the Mac drivers are better, and they're built in. No need to go
> >searching
> >> for the drivers. The iLife software rocks! Figure about $100.00 a
> >program,
> >> and then figure in that they actually work! There is no need for Anti
> >Spyware
> >> software, pop up blocking software. The need for anti virus software
> is
> >> minimal, on a PC it is absolutely necessary if you are going on the
> >internet
> >> and down loading anything. Viruses still get buy the software on a PC,
> >what
> >> does time and lost data cost? On a mac you don't have to be a security
> >administrator.
> >> Macs are harder to hack.
> >>
> >> The united States Navy, Hues aircraft and Boeing did cost of operation
> >studies
> >> in the past. It was something like 6 IT guys per 100 PCs to maintain
> and
> >> administrate. It was 1 IT guy per 100 plus Macs to maintain and
> >administrate.
> >> Because of the lower labor costs, the over all costs for business is
> >lower
> >> with macs.
> >>
> >> So Macs do cost more initially, but that cost is offset by the time
saved
> >> and the rest of the above mentioned. You get what you pay for!
> >>
> >> I think the MacBook is a reasonable deal for what you get.
> >>
> >> I'm not saying a Mac is perfect, it just looks that way next to a
Windows
> >> box!
> >>
> >> I like my PCs too, I just know my Macs are better!
> >>
> >> I say use what works for you.
> >>
> >> James
> >>
> >> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >OK, my turn...
> >> >
> >> >>FADE IN:
> >> >>
> >> >>interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
> >> >>PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (younger guy) facing camera,
> >> >>standing side by side between two computer monitors.
> >> >>
> >> >>MAC
> >> >>
> >> >>Hi, I'm a Mac.
> >> >>
> >> >>PC
> >> >>
> >> >>And I'm a PC.
> >> >>
> >> >>MAC
> >> >>
> >> >>I used to be different than him, but now I'm being built
> >> >>like a PC with Intel chips & everything.
> >> >>
> >> >>PC
> >> >>
> >> >>Ummm... but you're still going to cost like three times as
> >> >>much as a PC?
> >> >>
> >> >>MAC
> >> >>
> >> >>Uhhh... Yeah! <winks at camera>
> >> >
> >> >FADE TO BLACK
> >>
> >
> >
>
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| Re: OT -- the new Mac ads- Here's the ad I'd rather see! [message #69403 is a reply to message #69394] |
Fri, 16 June 2006 20:55 |
Martin Harrington
Messages: 560
Registered: September 2005
|
Senior Member |
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You know, the Mac / pc bash is pretty senseless, BUT, and this is a BIG
"BUT", to say that Macs "work" is truly a fallacy.
Many of my friends and colleagues are Mac users / owners, many of them the
new generation, and they have as many problems with them crashing as do
pc's, often more.
They're computers, they crash...deal with it.
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:44934f4e$1@linux...
>
> I do believe Apple needs to come down on their pricing, and I've said so
> here
> in the past. You get what you pay for though! If you were to compare a
> Hyundai or a KIA to a Cadillac, you have different pricing structures.
> The
> Cadillac has a simulated birds eye maple dash, the KIA has a cheap gray
> dash.
> Do you need a fancy dash?, I don't know but your definitely paying for it
> in the price of the Cadillac! Do you need a computer with a fancy
> aluminum
> alloy case?, I don't know but you are paying for it in the price of the
> Mac!
> Macs also cost more because they are not mass produced in the quantities
> that PCs are. It's like saying Ferraris suck because they cost five times
> more than Cadillacs.
>
> There is other tangible and intangible value in the price of a Mac, such
> as your time, Macs just work! Almost no down time, there's not much time
> spent on trying to get things to work. What is your time worth? PC guys
> here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
> conflicts,
> dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches. If
> you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
>
> I think the Mac drivers are better, and they're built in. No need to go
> searching
> for the drivers. The iLife software rocks! Figure about $100.00 a
> program,
> and then figure in that they actually work! There is no need for Anti
> Spyware
> software, pop up blocking software. The need for anti virus software is
> minimal, on a PC it is absolutely necessary if you are going on the
> internet
> and down loading anything. Viruses still get buy the software on a PC,
> what
> does time and lost data cost? On a mac you don't have to be a security
> administrator.
> Macs are harder to hack.
>
> The united States Navy, Hues aircraft and Boeing did cost of operation
> studies
> in the past. It was something like 6 IT guys per 100 PCs to maintain and
> administrate. It was 1 IT guy per 100 plus Macs to maintain and
> administrate.
> Because of the lower labor costs, the over all costs for business is lower
> with macs.
>
> So Macs do cost more initially, but that cost is offset by the time saved
> and the rest of the above mentioned. You get what you pay for!
>
> I think the MacBook is a reasonable deal for what you get.
>
> I'm not saying a Mac is perfect, it just looks that way next to a Windows
> box!
>
> I like my PCs too, I just know my Macs are better!
>
> I say use what works for you.
>
> James
>
> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>OK, my turn...
>>
>>>FADE IN:
>>>
>>>interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
>>>PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (younger guy) facing camera,
>>>standing side by side between two computer monitors.
>>>
>>>MAC
>>>
>>>Hi, I'm a Mac.
>>>
>>>PC
>>>
>>>And I'm a PC.
>>>
>>>MAC
>>>
>>>I used to be different than him, but now I'm being built
>>>like a PC with Intel chips & everything.
>>>
>>>PC
>>>
>>>Ummm... but you're still going to cost like three times as
>>>much as a PC?
>>>
>>>MAC
>>>
>>>Uhhh... Yeah! <winks at camera>
>>
>>FADE TO BLACK
>
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| Re: OT -- the new Mac ads- Here's the ad I'd rather see! [message #69405 is a reply to message #69400] |
Fri, 16 June 2006 21:04 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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Heh, heh, heh........well, it is kinda like tricking out a hotrod sometimes
I guess. I probably spend much more time tweaking this than is necessary
just because it interests me. Anyway, you're certainly welcome to drop by
anc take the jalopy for a test drive.
As far as it not being necessary to strip anything out of the Mac OS, that's
the exact mindset that I see with most Mac users........it seems to be an
assumption that the Mac can do no wrong so why change it? The Mac OS is
omnipotent and superior. I've played around with OS X here at the local Mac
store and I agree that it's elegant, but there is a ton of crap that I would
never use in a million years in an audio computer and the first thing I
would want to do is to rip the superfulous crap right out of this OS.. I'm
not criticizing you personally, but I can assure you that I never will think
that a macrofunctional OS is going to be the best solution for a narrow
function such as audio.........but then again, if I would never have to deal
with another conflict/incompatibility issue, I might overlook the bloat.
I remember your threads years ago about BEOS. I really wish this had
survived. I was talking to the factory rep for the Muse Receptor the other
day. We talked for a couple of hours. The Receptor uses a derivative of BEOS
and from what I gathered in our conversation, BEOS is probably the best
platform ever invented for audio apps. It's a shame it didn't fare well in
the market and eventually dropped off the radar..
Despite my taking potshots at Macs (a lot), I'm not necessarily a Windows
fan. I'd go to something different if I thought it was better. If Cubase SX
and all of my peripherals would run on Linux, that's where I'd be right now.
I've just seen the way Apple plays the corporate *hose the end user* game.
It reminds me of Digidesign and the Cupertino faction has, at times, seemed
to me to be at least the equal of the Redmond guys when it came to cutthroat
tactics and greed, so considering the facade that Mac puts up to the public
of being the *cool computer* it's just about the untimate in hypocracy,
IMHO.
............but I keep telling myself........it's just a machine.........it's
just a machine..........
;o)
Cheers,
Deej
;o)
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:44937365@linux...
>
> I wouldn't want to be in charge of supporting the setup you've got,
> Deej. But your stories are great.
>
> The amount of time you've taken to just relate your tweaking adventures
> is enough to pay for a fast Mac several times over, let alone the time
> and money it took to actually do the tweaking, researching and buying of
> more zippy stuff to hang off your hot rod. It's all very cool and more
> power to you! Someday I will make a pilgrimage to your studio just to
> bow in awe.
>
> I will say this: The latest version of Logic on a dual 2.5GHZ OSX mac
> with the cool AU plugins I have is one amazing setup. It blows away what
> I could accomplish in PARIS. It has a much better integrated work flow.
> And it all only takes one Mac (Logic can split processes to additional
> machines but I've never needed to do that with this rig).
>
> It took a long time to get here. But it's here. There's also a learning
> curve (couple weeks) but I'm well past that.
>
> BTW, there is NO need to strip anything out of MacOSX for audio on this
> machine. I can be online, run several other major programs, and be
> working on a massive Logic project, no prob. Core audio, dood. ;^) It's
> working pretty well.
>
> If I need to I can drop in up to 8GB RAM for more play room (I have
> 2.5GB right now). This machine is two years old and rocks hard. It's
> good to go for the next few years.
>
> There have still been a few Logic weirdnesses now and then, so there's
> more development work to do. But nothing that's brought down the OS or
> lost any work.
>
> I've enjoyed reading everyone's commercials. :^)
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
> DJ wrote:
> >> PC guys
> >> here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
> > conflicts,
> >> dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches. If
> >> you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
> >
> > OK James. I would be really curious to know if you think you could set
up
> > two Macs to work exactly like I've got my PC's working and tell me if
> > everything works perfectly first time. I would be really curious to
know. My
> > Paris PC cost me about $500.00. My Native PC cost me around $700.00
> > (neither price includes montors or audio hardware).
> >
> > You will need a Mac for Paris (which I assume you've already got) and it
> > will need to have at least a 2G CPU, I G of RAM and 4 x video heads..
The
> > Native machine will need to be running Cubase SX and have a dual 2.5G
CPU, 4
> > G RAM, 4 x UAD-1 cards 3 x RME HDSP cards running in two separate Magma
> > chassis' (unless you can somehow cram all of this into a mobo and 1
Magma)
> > and three video heads.
> >
> > I will admit it took a while to get this working properly on a PC,
(properly
> > meaning the *exact* way I had planned it to work) but it certainly did
not
> > put me out of business for one second or lose me any money because I had
> > total control of the OS and I could work around every glitch I
encountered
> > until I found the sweet spot. No downtime........none at all........just
> > lots of options when I needed them while I configured the
> > system..........and yes, there is some configuration time involved to be
> > sure, but I'm the one doing the configuring rather than having an OS
handed
> > to me that has ten tons of crap bundled with it that I'll never use and
I'm
> > expected to take or leave. Can you strip this stuff out of Mac OS like
you
> > can with Windows? I'm curious.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Deej
> >
> >
> > .
> >
> >
> >
> > "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:44934f4e$1@linux...
> >> I do believe Apple needs to come down on their pricing, and I've said
so
> > here
> >> in the past. You get what you pay for though! If you were to compare
a
> >> Hyundai or a KIA to a Cadillac, you have different pricing structures.
> > The
> >> Cadillac has a simulated birds eye maple dash, the KIA has a cheap gray
> > dash.
> >> Do you need a fancy dash?, I don't know but your definitely paying for
it
> >> in the price of the Cadillac! Do you need a computer with a fancy
> > aluminum
> >> alloy case?, I don't know but you are paying for it in the price of the
> > Mac!
> >> Macs also cost more because they are not mass produced in the
quantities
> >> that PCs are. It's like saying Ferraris suck because they cost five
times
> >> more than Cadillacs.
> >>
> >> There is other tangible and intangible value in the price of a Mac,
such
> >> as your time, Macs just work! Almost no down time, there's not much
time
> >> spent on trying to get things to work. What is your time worth? PC
guys
> >> here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
> > conflicts,
> >> dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches. If
> >> you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
> >>
> >> I think the Mac drivers are better, and they're built in. No need to go
> > searching
> >> for the drivers. The iLife software rocks! Figure about $100.00 a
> > program,
> >> and then figure in that they actually work! There is no need for Anti
> > Spyware
> >> software, pop up blocking software. The need for anti virus software
is
> >> minimal, on a PC it is absolutely necessary if you are going on the
> > internet
> >> and down loading anything. Viruses still get buy the software on a PC,
> > what
> >> does time and lost data cost? On a mac you don't have to be a security
> > administrator.
> >> Macs are harder to hack.
> >>
> >> The united States Navy, Hues aircraft and Boeing did cost of operation
> > studies
> >> in the past. It was something like 6 IT guys per 100 PCs to maintain
and
> >> administrate. It was 1 IT guy per 100 plus Macs to maintain and
> > administrate.
> >> Because of the lower labor costs, the over all costs for business is
> > lower
> >> with macs.
> >>
> >> So Macs do cost more initially, but that cost is offset by the time
saved
> >> and the rest of the above mentioned. You get what you pay for!
> >>
> >> I think the MacBook is a reasonable deal for what you get.
> >>
> >> I'm not saying a Mac is perfect, it just looks that way next to a
Windows
> >> box!
> >>
> >> I like my PCs too, I just know my Macs are better!
> >>
> >> I say use what works for you.
> >>
> >> James
> >>
> >> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
> >>> OK, my turn...
> >>>
> >>>> FADE IN:
> >>>>
> >>>> interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
> >>>> PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (younger guy) facing camera,
> >>>> standing side by side between two computer monitors.
> >>>>
> >>>> MAC
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi, I'm a Mac.
> >>>>
> >>>> PC
> >>>>
> >>>> And I'm a PC.
> >>>>
> >>>> MAC
> >>>>
> >>>> I used to be different than him, but now I'm being built
> >>>> like a PC with Intel chips & everything.
> >>>>
> >>>> PC
> >>>>
> >>>> Ummm... but you're still going to cost like three times as
> >>>> much as a PC?
> >>>>
> >>>> MAC
> >>>>
> >>>> Uhhh... Yeah! <winks at camera>
> >>> FADE TO BLACK
> >
> >
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| Re: OT -- the new Mac ads- Here's the ad I'd rather see! [message #69407 is a reply to message #69401] |
Fri, 16 June 2006 22:17 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Well Deej, you would know more about the Magma and over loading, than I would.
I sold them and SBS at one time, but never really used them. I did do tech
support on them but it's been years and don't remember much. I think you
questions about the Mac and the Magma could be answered better by Magma or
on the PT NG. Mixing different types of PCI cards with different power requirements
and filling a magma is questionable. There is only so much power and throughput
Theoretically everything works, reality is a different story.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I'm all for ease of use...........so tell me, if I was using a Mac for my
>native rig, do you think I could have use of all 13 PCI slots in the Magma?
>If there are no IRQ's with the Mac, then does this translate that any PCI
>card I put in any PCI slot is going to work with the Mac with no conflicts
>with other PCI cards? The reason I ask is that with a 13 slot Magma, I can
>use only 7 of the slots for UAD-1 cards due to IRQ conflicts and if I were
>to actually use 7 of the 13 slots, there would be massive PCI bus overload.
>This wouldn't happen on a Mac? I can fill up a Magma with whatever I want,
>insert the host card into a PCI slot in a new G5 and all of the cards will
>just work because it's a Mac?
>Thanks,
>
>Deej
>
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:44936c3c$1@linux...
>>
>> Well, yes and no. Would it be the same exact system for the same kind
of
>> money, no. Obviously your system is quite unique, so I think it is a
>little
>> unfair to ask if I could duplicate it exactly. I think you could have
a
>> similar setup with all Macs and I think it would work a lot more problem
>> free. Price never seems the be too much of an object, so here it is.
>>
>> Mac G4 1.25 GHz ( about equivalent to a P4 2.8 GHz) you could also
>upgrade
>> to 1.8GHz G4 for more power. The G4 has 4 PCI slots and 1 AGP slot.
>>
>> Add a dual monitor PCI card for four monitors expanded desk top. Or you
>> could add a four head AGP card and save a PCI slot.
>>
>> Add Magma for 13 PCI slots this would give you up to 15 PCI slots.
>>
>> You can install 2GB of memory in the G4 and 4 HDs, plus external FW HDs.
>> 16GB of memory in the G5. You also have Gigabit Ethernet on both
>machines
>> standard, that might come in handy. You also have FireWire as an option
>> for audio I/O, and DSPs. FW actually works on a Mac.
>>
>> SX machine G5 Quad 2.5GHz with 16 GB of RAM, FW 400 & FW 800, USB 2, dual
>> HDs, dual head video, if you needed more monitors you could add a 4 head
>> AGP or add a dual PCI-E card.
>>
>> Add the Magma and add your cards.
>>
>> You can delete all the software you don't want. If your talking about
>stripping
>> out the system software, I wouldn't do it!, but there are people that
can.
>> You can simply turn off the extensions on the O/S 9 machine, or you can
>> throw the stuff away you don't want like the printer drivers or language
>> libraries, etc.
>>
>> I think it would work, and I think you would find in time, that it would
>> work trouble free for the most part. I think it would be rock solid and
>> run smooth. But I think your system works for you, so why change.
>>
>> James
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>PC guys
>> >>here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
>> >conflicts,
>> >>dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches.
If
>> >>you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
>> >
>> >OK James. I would be really curious to know if you think you could set
up
>> >two Macs to work exactly like I've got my PC's working and tell me if
>> >everything works perfectly first time. I would be really curious to know.
>> My
>> >Paris PC cost me about $500.00. My Native PC cost me around $700.00
>> >(neither price includes montors or audio hardware).
>> >
>> >You will need a Mac for Paris (which I assume you've already got) and
it
>> >will need to have at least a 2G CPU, I G of RAM and 4 x video heads..
The
>> >Native machine will need to be running Cubase SX and have a dual 2.5G
>CPU,
>> 4
>> >G RAM, 4 x UAD-1 cards 3 x RME HDSP cards running in two separate Magma
>> >chassis' (unless you can somehow cram all of this into a mobo and 1
>Magma)
>> >and three video heads.
>> >
>> >I will admit it took a while to get this working properly on a PC,
>(properly
>> >meaning the *exact* way I had planned it to work) but it certainly did
>not
>> >put me out of business for one second or lose me any money because I
had
>> >total control of the OS and I could work around every glitch I
>encountered
>> >until I found the sweet spot. No downtime........none at all........just
>> >lots of options when I needed them while I configured the
>> >system..........and yes, there is some configuration time involved to
be
>> >sure, but I'm the one doing the configuring rather than having an OS
>handed
>> >to me that has ten tons of crap bundled with it that I'll never use and
>> I'm
>> >expected to take or leave. Can you strip this stuff out of Mac OS like
>you
>> >can with Windows? I'm curious.
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >
>> >Deej
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:44934f4e$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> I do believe Apple needs to come down on their pricing, and I've said
>> so
>> >here
>> >> in the past. You get what you pay for though! If you were to compare
>> a
>> >> Hyundai or a KIA to a Cadillac, you have different pricing structures.
>> >The
>> >> Cadillac has a simulated birds eye maple dash, the KIA has a cheap
gray
>> >dash.
>> >> Do you need a fancy dash?, I don't know but your definitely paying
for
>> it
>> >> in the price of the Cadillac! Do you need a computer with a fancy
>> >aluminum
>> >> alloy case?, I don't know but you are paying for it in the price of
the
>> >Mac!
>> >> Macs also cost more because they are not mass produced in the
>quantities
>> >> that PCs are. It's like saying Ferraris suck because they cost five
>times
>> >> more than Cadillacs.
>> >>
>> >> There is other tangible and intangible value in the price of a Mac,
>such
>> >> as your time, Macs just work! Almost no down time, there's not much
>> time
>> >> spent on trying to get things to work. What is your time worth? PC
>guys
>> >> here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
>> >conflicts,
>> >> dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches.
If
>> >> you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
>> >>
>> >> I think the Mac drivers are better, and they're built in. No need to
go
>> >searching
>> >> for the drivers. The iLife software rocks! Figure about $100.00 a
>> >program,
>> >> and then figure in that they actually work! There is no need for Anti
>> >Spyware
>> >> software, pop up blocking software. The need for anti virus software
>> is
>> >> minimal, on a PC it is absolutely necessary if you are going on the
>> >internet
>> >> and down loading anything. Viruses still get buy the software on a
PC,
>> >what
>> >> does time and lost data cost? On a mac you don't have to be a security
>> >administrator.
>> >> Macs are harder to hack.
>> >>
>> >> The united States Navy, Hues aircraft and Boeing did cost of operation
>> >studies
>> >> in the past. It was something like 6 IT guys per 100 PCs to maintain
>> and
>> >> administrate. It was 1 IT guy per 100 plus Macs to maintain and
>> >administrate.
>> >> Because of the lower labor costs, the over all costs for business
is
>> >lower
>> >> with macs.
>> >>
>> >> So Macs do cost more initially, but that cost is offset by the time
>saved
>> >> and the rest of the above mentioned. You get what you pay for!
>> >>
>> >> I think the MacBook is a reasonable deal for what you get.
>> >>
>> >> I'm not saying a Mac is perfect, it just looks that way next to a
>Windows
>> >> box!
>> >>
>> >> I like my PCs too, I just know my Macs are better!
>> >>
>> >> I say use what works for you.
>> >>
>> >> James
>> >>
>> >> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >OK, my turn...
>> >> >
>> >> >>FADE IN:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
>> >> >>PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (younger guy) facing camera,
>> >> >>standing side by side between two computer monitors.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>MAC
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Hi, I'm a Mac.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>PC
>> >> >>
>> >> >>And I'm a PC.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>MAC
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I used to be different than him, but now I'm being built
>> >> >>like a PC with Intel chips & everything.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>PC
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Ummm... but you're still going to cost like three times as
>> >> >>much as a PC?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>MAC
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Uhhh... Yeah! <winks at camera>
>> >> >
>> >> >FADE TO BLACK
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
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| Re: OT -- the new Mac ads- Here's the ad I'd rather see! [message #69409 is a reply to message #69405] |
Fri, 16 June 2006 22:51 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Senior Member |
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Thanks for the invite, Deej. Next time I'm down your way I'll try and
stop by. Same here, if you get up to the front range please feel welcome
to look me up.
Speaking of BeOS, here's my Mac ad:
*****
FADE IN:
interior, dark, background ominous
PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (young cute guy) facing camera, standing
side by side between two computer monitors
MAC
Hi, I'm a Mac.
PC
Hi, I'm a PC.
MAC
I peed on BeOS.
PC
I killed it. Cut off its air supply!
MAC
Heh heh.
PC
Huh, huh, heh.
PC
Huh, heh, snort.
Mac
You wanna get a beer?
PC
OK.
Fade to very black.
*****
But anyway, on the topic of "stripping" OSX, what do you want to take
out? It's not like OS9 or, apparently, MSWindows - in that you really
don't need to strip it down to do audio work. Seriously. I can tell you
it's just not a problem here.
You can remove any apps you don't want, of course, if you need the HD
space. You can get down and dirty with UNIX on the command line if you
like. Or not if you're not into that.
You can load a Mac up with a ton of cool stuff like Ivory, B4, Battery
2, Zebra, etc. etc. and run a truckload of plug-ins without breaking a
sweat. You can also do video, graphics and animation production. Run
your office (for example NeoOffice works great, it's a native version of
Open Office). Monitor over-the-air HDTV at full resolution. Write
software. Do internet browsing/email. That's all stuff I do with OSX.
This box is a workhorse.
BTW, you don't need to get stuck on having 4 (smaller?) screens. It
might be possible to do that on the Mac (haven't looked into it), but
two 24" Dells or two 30" Apple monitors is probably plenty. Heck, one of
either of those is enough if you're running an app like Logic that can
show any number of tracks in a mixer window and can have multiple mixer
windows showing whatever you want arranged however you want. Logic takes
great advantage of the screen space. I had two monitors but I'm down to
one BIG monitor and I like it better for the software I'm using and the
physical space available. (For Paris I liked having two smaller monitors
because of the way the Paris interface is designed).
If we get together I'll show you all the stuff running and hanging off
this box. It's not in the same league with your Rube Goldbergian shrine
but it's pretty amazing in its own right.
OSX carries the weight in the studio right now and I am impressed with
what Apple has achieved with it. Meanwhile, Linux keeps moving forward
and that's exciting, too. Choice is good.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
DJ wrote:
> Heh, heh, heh........well, it is kinda like tricking out a hotrod sometimes
> I guess. I probably spend much more time tweaking this than is necessary
> just because it interests me. Anyway, you're certainly welcome to drop by
> anc take the jalopy for a test drive.
>
> As far as it not being necessary to strip anything out of the Mac OS, that's
> the exact mindset that I see with most Mac users........it seems to be an
> assumption that the Mac can do no wrong so why change it? The Mac OS is
> omnipotent and superior. I've played around with OS X here at the local Mac
> store and I agree that it's elegant, but there is a ton of crap that I would
> never use in a million years in an audio computer and the first thing I
> would want to do is to rip the superfulous crap right out of this OS.. I'm
> not criticizing you personally, but I can assure you that I never will think
> that a macrofunctional OS is going to be the best solution for a narrow
> function such as audio.........but then again, if I would never have to deal
> with another conflict/incompatibility issue, I might overlook the bloat.
>
> I remember your threads years ago about BEOS. I really wish this had
> survived. I was talking to the factory rep for the Muse Receptor the other
> day. We talked for a couple of hours. The Receptor uses a derivative of BEOS
> and from what I gathered in our conversation, BEOS is probably the best
> platform ever invented for audio apps. It's a shame it didn't fare well in
> the market and eventually dropped off the radar..
>
> Despite my taking potshots at Macs (a lot), I'm not necessarily a Windows
> fan. I'd go to something different if I thought it was better. If Cubase SX
> and all of my peripherals would run on Linux, that's where I'd be right now.
> I've just seen the way Apple plays the corporate *hose the end user* game.
> It reminds me of Digidesign and the Cupertino faction has, at times, seemed
> to me to be at least the equal of the Redmond guys when it came to cutthroat
> tactics and greed, so considering the facade that Mac puts up to the public
> of being the *cool computer* it's just about the untimate in hypocracy,
> IMHO.
>
> ...........but I keep telling myself........it's just a machine.........it's
> just a machine..........
>
> ;o)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Deej
>
>
> ;o)
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:44937365@linux...
>> I wouldn't want to be in charge of supporting the setup you've got,
>> Deej. But your stories are great.
>>
>> The amount of time you've taken to just relate your tweaking adventures
>> is enough to pay for a fast Mac several times over, let alone the time
>> and money it took to actually do the tweaking, researching and buying of
>> more zippy stuff to hang off your hot rod. It's all very cool and more
>> power to you! Someday I will make a pilgrimage to your studio just to
>> bow in awe.
>>
>> I will say this: The latest version of Logic on a dual 2.5GHZ OSX mac
>> with the cool AU plugins I have is one amazing setup. It blows away what
>> I could accomplish in PARIS. It has a much better integrated work flow.
>> And it all only takes one Mac (Logic can split processes to additional
>> machines but I've never needed to do that with this rig).
>>
>> It took a long time to get here. But it's here. There's also a learning
>> curve (couple weeks) but I'm well past that.
>>
>> BTW, there is NO need to strip anything out of MacOSX for audio on this
>> machine. I can be online, run several other major programs, and be
>> working on a massive Logic project, no prob. Core audio, dood. ;^) It's
>> working pretty well.
>>
>> If I need to I can drop in up to 8GB RAM for more play room (I have
>> 2.5GB right now). This machine is two years old and rocks hard. It's
>> good to go for the next few years.
>>
>> There have still been a few Logic weirdnesses now and then, so there's
>> more development work to do. But nothing that's brought down the OS or
>> lost any work.
>>
>> I've enjoyed reading everyone's commercials. :^)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>>> PC guys
>>>> here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
>>> conflicts,
>>>> dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches. If
>>>> you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
>>> OK James. I would be really curious to know if you think you could set
> up
>>> two Macs to work exactly like I've got my PC's working and tell me if
>>> everything works perfectly first time. I would be really curious to
> know. My
>>> Paris PC cost me about $500.00. My Native PC cost me around $700.00
>>> (neither price includes montors or audio hardware).
>>>
>>> You will need a Mac for Paris (which I assume you've already got) and it
>>> will need to have at least a 2G CPU, I G of RAM and 4 x video heads..
> The
>>> Native machine will need to be running Cubase SX and have a dual 2.5G
> CPU, 4
>>> G RAM, 4 x UAD-1 cards 3 x RME HDSP cards running in two separate Magma
>>> chassis' (unless you can somehow cram all of this into a mobo and 1
> Magma)
>>> and three video heads.
>>>
>>> I will admit it took a while to get this working properly on a PC,
> (properly
>>> meaning the *exact* way I had planned it to work) but it certainly did
> not
>>> put me out of business for one second or lose me any money because I had
>>> total control of the OS and I could work around every glitch I
> encountered
>>> until I found the sweet spot. No downtime........none at all........just
>>> lots of options when I needed them while I configured the
>>> system..........and yes, there is some configuration time involved to be
>>> sure, but I'm the one doing the configuring rather than having an OS
> handed
>>> to me that has ten tons of crap bundled with it that I'll never use and
> I'm
>>> expected to take or leave. Can you strip this stuff out of Mac OS like
> you
>>> can with Windows? I'm curious.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Deej
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:44934f4e$1@linux...
>>>> I do believe Apple needs to come down on their pricing, and I've said
> so
>>> here
>>>> in the past. You get what you pay for though! If you were to compare
> a
>>>> Hyundai or a KIA to a Cadillac, you have different pricing structures.
>>> The
>>>> Cadillac has a simulated birds eye maple dash, the KIA has a cheap gray
>>> dash.
>>>> Do you need a fancy dash?, I don't know but your definitely paying for
> it
>>>> in the price of the Cadillac! Do you need a computer with a fancy
>>> aluminum
>>>> alloy case?, I don't know but you are paying for it in the price of the
>>> Mac!
>>>> Macs also cost more because they are not mass produced in the
> quantities
>>>> that PCs are. It's like saying Ferraris suck because they cost five
> times
>>>> more than Cadillacs.
>>>>
>>>> There is other tangible and intangible value in the price of a Mac,
> such
>>>> as your time, Macs just work! Almost no down time, there's not much
> time
>>>> spent on trying to get things to work. What is your time worth? PC
> guys
>>>> here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
>>> conflicts,
>>>> dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches. If
>>>> you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
>>>>
>>>> I think the Mac drivers are better, and they're built in. No need to go
>>> searching
>>>> for the drivers. The iLife software rocks! Figure about $100.00 a
>>> program,
>>>> and then figure in that they actually work! There is no need for Anti
>>> Spyware
>>>> software, pop up blocking software. The need for anti virus software
> is
>>>> minimal, on a PC it is absolutely necessary if you are going on the
>>> internet
>>>> and down loading anything. Viruses still get buy the software on a PC,
>>> what
>>>> does time and lost data cost? On a mac you don't have to be a security
>>> administrator.
>>>> Macs are harder to hack.
>>>>
>>>> The united States Navy, Hues aircraft and Boeing did cost of operation
>>> studies
>>>> in the past. It was something like 6 IT guys per 100 PCs to maintain
> and
>>>> administrate. It was 1 IT guy per 100 plus Macs to maintain and
>>> administrate.
>>>> Because of the lower labor costs, the over all costs for business is
>>> lower
>>>> with macs.
>>>>
>>>> So Macs do cost more initially, but that cost is offset by the time
> saved
>>>> and the rest of the above mentioned. You get what you pay for!
>>>>
>>>> I think the MacBook is a reasonable deal for what you get.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not saying a Mac is perfect, it just looks that way next to a
> Windows
>>>> box!
>>>>
>>>> I like my PCs too, I just know my Macs are better!
>>>>
>>>> I say use what works for you.
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>> OK, my turn...
>>>>>
>>>>>> FADE IN:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
>>>>>> PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (younger guy) facing camera,
>>>>>> standing side by side between two computer monitors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MAC
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, I'm a Mac.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PC
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I'm a PC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MAC
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I used to be different than him, but now I'm being built
>>>>>> like a PC with Intel chips & everything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PC
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ummm... but you're still going to cost like three times as
>>>>>> much as a PC?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MAC
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Uhhh... Yeah! <winks at camera>
>>>>> FADE TO BLACK
>>>
>
>
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| Re: OT -- the new Mac ads- Here's the ad I'd rather see! [message #69410 is a reply to message #69401] |
Fri, 16 June 2006 23:31 |
Kim
Messages: 1246
Registered: October 2005
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IRQ's are part of the PCI standard far as I know. Mac's can't run PCI and
not have them. They may be invisable to the user, but they have to be there
for PCI to function.
Like you I share a concern that no self-managing IRQ system is likely to
deal with what you would be doing. I could be wrong. It would be an interesting
test. If a Mac could do it I'd be impressed. I worked on Mac's for three
years. Far as I know you can't tweak IRQ's... though there must be a way,
as they are obviously controlled somewhere, but I suspect it would require
a hack more than anything. Could be wrong.
Cheers,
Kim.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I'm all for ease of use...........so tell me, if I was using a Mac for my
>native rig, do you think I could have use of all 13 PCI slots in the Magma?
>If there are no IRQ's with the Mac, then does this translate that any PCI
>card I put in any PCI slot is going to work with the Mac with no conflicts
>with other PCI cards? The reason I ask is that with a 13 slot Magma, I can
>use only 7 of the slots for UAD-1 cards due to IRQ conflicts and if I were
>to actually use 7 of the 13 slots, there would be massive PCI bus overload.
>This wouldn't happen on a Mac? I can fill up a Magma with whatever I want,
>insert the host card into a PCI slot in a new G5 and all of the cards will
>just work because it's a Mac?
>Thanks,
>
>Deej
>
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:44936c3c$1@linux...
>>
>> Well, yes and no. Would it be the same exact system for the same kind
of
>> money, no. Obviously your system is quite unique, so I think it is a
>little
>> unfair to ask if I could duplicate it exactly. I think you could have
a
>> similar setup with all Macs and I think it would work a lot more problem
>> free. Price never seems the be too much of an object, so here it is.
>>
>> Mac G4 1.25 GHz ( about equivalent to a P4 2.8 GHz) you could also
>upgrade
>> to 1.8GHz G4 for more power. The G4 has 4 PCI slots and 1 AGP slot.
>>
>> Add a dual monitor PCI card for four monitors expanded desk top. Or you
>> could add a four head AGP card and save a PCI slot.
>>
>> Add Magma for 13 PCI slots this would give you up to 15 PCI slots.
>>
>> You can install 2GB of memory in the G4 and 4 HDs, plus external FW HDs.
>> 16GB of memory in the G5. You also have Gigabit Ethernet on both
>machines
>> standard, that might come in handy. You also have FireWire as an option
>> for audio I/O, and DSPs. FW actually works on a Mac.
>>
>> SX machine G5 Quad 2.5GHz with 16 GB of RAM, FW 400 & FW 800, USB 2, dual
>> HDs, dual head video, if you needed more monitors you could add a 4 head
>> AGP or add a dual PCI-E card.
>>
>> Add the Magma and add your cards.
>>
>> You can delete all the software you don't want. If your talking about
>stripping
>> out the system software, I wouldn't do it!, but there are people that
can.
>> You can simply turn off the extensions on the O/S 9 machine, or you can
>> throw the stuff away you don't want like the printer drivers or language
>> libraries, etc.
>>
>> I think it would work, and I think you would find in time, that it would
>> work trouble free for the most part. I think it would be rock solid and
>> run smooth. But I think your system works for you, so why change.
>>
>> James
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>PC guys
>> >>here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
>> >conflicts,
>> >>dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches.
If
>> >>you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
>> >
>> >OK James. I would be really curious to know if you think you could set
up
>> >two Macs to work exactly like I've got my PC's working and tell me if
>> >everything works perfectly first time. I would be really curious to know.
>> My
>> >Paris PC cost me about $500.00. My Native PC cost me around $700.00
>> >(neither price includes montors or audio hardware).
>> >
>> >You will need a Mac for Paris (which I assume you've already got) and
it
>> >will need to have at least a 2G CPU, I G of RAM and 4 x video heads..
The
>> >Native machine will need to be running Cubase SX and have a dual 2.5G
>CPU,
>> 4
>> >G RAM, 4 x UAD-1 cards 3 x RME HDSP cards running in two separate Magma
>> >chassis' (unless you can somehow cram all of this into a mobo and 1
>Magma)
>> >and three video heads.
>> >
>> >I will admit it took a while to get this working properly on a PC,
>(properly
>> >meaning the *exact* way I had planned it to work) but it certainly did
>not
>> >put me out of business for one second or lose me any money because I
had
>> >total control of the OS and I could work around every glitch I
>encountered
>> >until I found the sweet spot. No downtime........none at all........just
>> >lots of options when I needed them while I configured the
>> >system..........and yes, there is some configuration time involved to
be
>> >sure, but I'm the one doing the configuring rather than having an OS
>handed
>> >to me that has ten tons of crap bundled with it that I'll never use and
>> I'm
>> >expected to take or leave. Can you strip this stuff out of Mac OS like
>you
>> >can with Windows? I'm curious.
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >
>> >Deej
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:44934f4e$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> I do believe Apple needs to come down on their pricing, and I've said
>> so
>> >here
>> >> in the past. You get what you pay for though! If you were to compare
>> a
>> >> Hyundai or a KIA to a Cadillac, you have different pricing structures.
>> >The
>> >> Cadillac has a simulated birds eye maple dash, the KIA has a cheap
gray
>> >dash.
>> >> Do you need a fancy dash?, I don't know but your definitely paying
for
>> it
>> >> in the price of the Cadillac! Do you need a computer with a fancy
>> >aluminum
>> >> alloy case?, I don't know but you are paying for it in the price of
the
>> >Mac!
>> >> Macs also cost more because they are not mass produced in the
>quantities
>> >> that PCs are. It's like saying Ferraris suck because they cost five
>times
>> >> more than Cadillacs.
>> >>
>> >> There is other tangible and intangible value in the price of a Mac,
>such
>> >> as your time, Macs just work! Almost no down time, there's not much
>> time
>> >> spent on trying to get things to work. What is your time worth? PC
>guys
>> >> here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
>> >conflicts,
>> >> dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches.
If
>> >> you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
>> >>
>> >> I think the Mac drivers are better, and they're built in. No need to
go
>> >searching
>> >> for the drivers. The iLife software rocks! Figure about $100.00 a
>> >program,
>> >> and then figure in that they actually work! There is no need for Anti
>> >Spyware
>> >> software, pop up blocking software. The need for anti virus software
>> is
>> >> minimal, on a PC it is absolutely necessary if you are going on the
>> >internet
>> >> and down loading anything. Viruses still get buy the software on a
PC,
>> >what
>> >> does time and lost data cost? On a mac you don't have to be a security
>> >administrator.
>> >> Macs are harder to hack.
>> >>
>> >> The united States Navy, Hues aircraft and Boeing did cost of operation
>> >studies
>> >> in the past. It was something like 6 IT guys per 100 PCs to maintain
>> and
>> >> administrate. It was 1 IT guy per 100 plus Macs to maintain and
>> >administrate.
>> >> Because of the lower labor costs, the over all costs for business
is
>> >lower
>> >> with macs.
>> >>
>> >> So Macs do cost more initially, but that cost is offset by the time
>saved
>> >> and the rest of the above mentioned. You get what you pay for!
>> >>
>> >> I think the MacBook is a reasonable deal for what you get.
>> >>
>> >> I'm not saying a Mac is perfect, it just looks that way next to a
>Windows
>> >> box!
>> >>
>> >> I like my PCs too, I just know my Macs are better!
>> >>
>> >> I say use what works for you.
>> >>
>> >> James
>> >>
>> >> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >OK, my turn...
>> >> >
>> >> >>FADE IN:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
>> >> >>PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (younger guy) facing camera,
>> >> >>standing side by side between two computer monitors.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>MAC
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Hi, I'm a Mac.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>PC
>> >> >>
>> >> >>And I'm a PC.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>MAC
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I used to be different than him, but now I'm being built
>> >> >>like a PC with Intel chips & everything.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>PC
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Ummm... but you're still going to cost like three times as
>> >> >>much as a PC?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>MAC
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Uhhh... Yeah! <winks at camera>
>> >> >
>> >> >FADE TO BLACK
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
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| Re: OT -- the new Mac ads- Here's the ad I'd rather see! [message #69412 is a reply to message #69403] |
Fri, 16 June 2006 23:41 |
Kim
Messages: 1246
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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I've got to say I worked supporting Macs for three years, and they didn't
seem magical never fail machines. They failed roughly as often as PC's...
more in fact, though they did carry a higher workload.
Like PC's, some Macs were wonderful and never stepped wrong. Others had a
problem every month. Others would crash every day or two for no reason. Some
arrived with faulty hardware. Most were fine. And some Mac users seemed to
have trouble on any machine you gave them, while others tended to keep their
machines running nicely, whatever you gave them.
Not that I'm anti-mac. If they were the same price as PC's I'd probably own
one. They do have benefits, but so does the PC.
Anyhow, haven't we done all this... ? ;o)
Cheers,
Kim.
"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>You know, the Mac / pc bash is pretty senseless, BUT, and this is a BIG
>"BUT", to say that Macs "work" is truly a fallacy.
>Many of my friends and colleagues are Mac users / owners, many of them the
>new generation, and they have as many problems with them crashing as do
>pc's, often more.
>They're computers, they crash...deal with it.
>--
>Martin Harrington
>www.lendanear-sound.com
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:44934f4e$1@linux...
>>
>> I do believe Apple needs to come down on their pricing, and I've said
so
>> here
>> in the past. You get what you pay for though! If you were to compare
a
>> Hyundai or a KIA to a Cadillac, you have different pricing structures.
>> The
>> Cadillac has a simulated birds eye maple dash, the KIA has a cheap gray
>> dash.
>> Do you need a fancy dash?, I don't know but your definitely paying for
it
>> in the price of the Cadillac! Do you need a computer with a fancy
>> aluminum
>> alloy case?, I don't know but you are paying for it in the price of the
>> Mac!
>> Macs also cost more because they are not mass produced in the quantities
>> that PCs are. It's like saying Ferraris suck because they cost five times
>> more than Cadillacs.
>>
>> There is other tangible and intangible value in the price of a Mac, such
>> as your time, Macs just work! Almost no down time, there's not much
time
>> spent on trying to get things to work. What is your time worth? PC guys
>> here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
>> conflicts,
>> dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches. If
>> you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
>>
>> I think the Mac drivers are better, and they're built in. No need to go
>> searching
>> for the drivers. The iLife software rocks! Figure about $100.00 a
>> program,
>> and then figure in that they actually work! There is no need for Anti
>> Spyware
>> software, pop up blocking software. The need for anti virus software
is
>> minimal, on a PC it is absolutely necessary if you are going on the
>> internet
>> and down loading anything. Viruses still get buy the software on a PC,
>> what
>> does time and lost data cost? On a mac you don't have to be a security
>> administrator.
>> Macs are harder to hack.
>>
>> The united States Navy, Hues aircraft and Boeing did cost of operation
>> studies
>> in the past. It was something like 6 IT guys per 100 PCs to maintain
and
>> administrate. It was 1 IT guy per 100 plus Macs to maintain and
>> administrate.
>> Because of the lower labor costs, the over all costs for business is lower
>> with macs.
>>
>> So Macs do cost more initially, but that cost is offset by the time saved
>> and the rest of the above mentioned. You get what you pay for!
>>
>> I think the MacBook is a reasonable deal for what you get.
>>
>> I'm not saying a Mac is perfect, it just looks that way next to a Windows
>> box!
>>
>> I like my PCs too, I just know my Macs are better!
>>
>> I say use what works for you.
>>
>> James
>>
>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>OK, my turn...
>>>
>>>>FADE IN:
>>>>
>>>>interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
>>>>PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (younger guy) facing camera,
>>>>standing side by side between two computer monitors.
>>>>
>>>>MAC
>>>>
>>>>Hi, I'm a Mac.
>>>>
>>>>PC
>>>>
>>>>And I'm a PC.
>>>>
>>>>MAC
>>>>
>>>>I used to be different than him, but now I'm being built
>>>>like a PC with Intel chips & everything.
>>>>
>>>>PC
>>>>
>>>>Ummm... but you're still going to cost like three times as
>>>>much as a PC?
>>>>
>>>>MAC
>>>>
>>>>Uhhh... Yeah! <winks at camera>
>>>
>>>FADE TO BLACK
>>
>
>
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| Re: OT -- the new Mac ads- Here's the ad I'd rather see! [message #69416 is a reply to message #69403] |
Sat, 17 June 2006 02:11 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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Senior Member |
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truer words never spoken.
..
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 13:55:20 +1000, "Martin Harrington"
<lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>You know, the Mac / pc bash is pretty senseless, BUT, and this is a BIG
>"BUT", to say that Macs "work" is truly a fallacy.
>Many of my friends and colleagues are Mac users / owners, many of them the
>new generation, and they have as many problems with them crashing as do
>pc's, often more.
>They're computers, they crash...deal with it.
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| Re: OT -- the new Mac ads- Here's the ad I'd rather see! [message #69417 is a reply to message #69399] |
Sat, 17 June 2006 06:20 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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Senior Member |
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>Mac G4 1.25 GHz ( about equivalent to a P4 2.8 GHz)
..............so how do you arrive at this conclusion? Unless it's an Altivec
enabled program, it's gonna be 1.25GHz, isn't it? I've seen this kind of
propaganda put out by Apple for years saying that the the "Magic Mac" CPU
runs faster than an Intel or AMD CPU. I had an Intel PII 350 around here for
a while and it was roughly equivalent to my G4 400MHz machine performance
wise. Nothing special, to be sure.
Thanks,
Deej
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:44936c3c$1@linux...
>
> Well, yes and no. Would it be the same exact system for the same kind of
> money, no. Obviously your system is quite unique, so I think it is a
little
> unfair to ask if I could duplicate it exactly. I think you could have a
> similar setup with all Macs and I think it would work a lot more problem
> free. Price never seems the be too much of an object, so here it is.
>
> Mac G4 1.25 GHz ( about equivalent to a P4 2.8 GHz) you could also
upgrade
> to 1.8GHz G4 for more power. The G4 has 4 PCI slots and 1 AGP slot.
>
> Add a dual monitor PCI card for four monitors expanded desk top. Or you
> could add a four head AGP card and save a PCI slot.
>
> Add Magma for 13 PCI slots this would give you up to 15 PCI slots.
>
> You can install 2GB of memory in the G4 and 4 HDs, plus external FW HDs.
> 16GB of memory in the G5. You also have Gigabit Ethernet on both
machines
> standard, that might come in handy. You also have FireWire as an option
> for audio I/O, and DSPs. FW actually works on a Mac.
>
> SX machine G5 Quad 2.5GHz with 16 GB of RAM, FW 400 & FW 800, USB 2, dual
> HDs, dual head video, if you needed more monitors you could add a 4 head
> AGP or add a dual PCI-E card.
>
> Add the Magma and add your cards.
>
> You can delete all the software you don't want. If your talking about
stripping
> out the system software, I wouldn't do it!, but there are people that can.
> You can simply turn off the extensions on the O/S 9 machine, or you can
> throw the stuff away you don't want like the printer drivers or language
> libraries, etc.
>
> I think it would work, and I think you would find in time, that it would
> work trouble free for the most part. I think it would be rock solid and
> run smooth. But I think your system works for you, so why change.
>
> James
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>PC guys
> >>here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
> >conflicts,
> >>dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches. If
> >>you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
> >
> >OK James. I would be really curious to know if you think you could set up
> >two Macs to work exactly like I've got my PC's working and tell me if
> >everything works perfectly first time. I would be really curious to know.
> My
> >Paris PC cost me about $500.00. My Native PC cost me around $700.00
> >(neither price includes montors or audio hardware).
> >
> >You will need a Mac for Paris (which I assume you've already got) and it
> >will need to have at least a 2G CPU, I G of RAM and 4 x video heads.. The
> >Native machine will need to be running Cubase SX and have a dual 2.5G
CPU,
> 4
> >G RAM, 4 x UAD-1 cards 3 x RME HDSP cards running in two separate Magma
> >chassis' (unless you can somehow cram all of this into a mobo and 1
Magma)
> >and three video heads.
> >
> >I will admit it took a while to get this working properly on a PC,
(properly
> >meaning the *exact* way I had planned it to work) but it certainly did
not
> >put me out of business for one second or lose me any money because I had
> >total control of the OS and I could work around every glitch I
encountered
> >until I found the sweet spot. No downtime........none at all........just
> >lots of options when I needed them while I configured the
> >system..........and yes, there is some configuration time involved to be
> >sure, but I'm the one doing the configuring rather than having an OS
handed
> >to me that has ten tons of crap bundled with it that I'll never use and
> I'm
> >expected to take or leave. Can you strip this stuff out of Mac OS like
you
> >can with Windows? I'm curious.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Deej
> >
> >
> >.
> >
> >
> >
> >"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:44934f4e$1@linux...
> >>
> >> I do believe Apple needs to come down on their pricing, and I've said
> so
> >here
> >> in the past. You get what you pay for though! If you were to compare
> a
> >> Hyundai or a KIA to a Cadillac, you have different pricing structures.
> >The
> >> Cadillac has a simulated birds eye maple dash, the KIA has a cheap gray
> >dash.
> >> Do you need a fancy dash?, I don't know but your definitely paying for
> it
> >> in the price of the Cadillac! Do you need a computer with a fancy
> >aluminum
> >> alloy case?, I don't know but you are paying for it in the price of the
> >Mac!
> >> Macs also cost more because they are not mass produced in the
quantities
> >> that PCs are. It's like saying Ferraris suck because they cost five
times
> >> more than Cadillacs.
> >>
> >> There is other tangible and intangible value in the price of a Mac,
such
> >> as your time, Macs just work! Almost no down time, there's not much
> time
> >> spent on trying to get things to work. What is your time worth? PC
guys
> >> here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
> >conflicts,
> >> dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches. If
> >> you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
> >>
> >> I think the Mac drivers are better, and they're built in. No need to go
> >searching
> >> for the drivers. The iLife software rocks! Figure about $100.00 a
> >program,
> >> and then figure in that they actually work! There is no need for Anti
> >Spyware
> >> software, pop up blocking software. The need for anti virus software
> is
> >> minimal, on a PC it is absolutely necessary if you are going on the
> >internet
> >> and down loading anything. Viruses still get buy the software on a PC,
> >what
> >> does time and lost data cost? On a mac you don't have to be a security
> >administrator.
> >> Macs are harder to hack.
> >>
> >> The united States Navy, Hues aircraft and Boeing did cost of operation
> >studies
> >> in the past. It was something like 6 IT guys per 100 PCs to maintain
> and
> >> administrate. It was 1 IT guy per 100 plus Macs to maintain and
> >administrate.
> >> Because of the lower labor costs, the over all costs for business is
> >lower
> >> with macs.
> >>
> >> So Macs do cost more initially, but that cost is offset by the time
saved
> >> and the rest of the above mentioned. You get what you pay for!
> >>
> >> I think the MacBook is a reasonable deal for what you get.
> >>
> >> I'm not saying a Mac is perfect, it just looks that way next to a
Windows
> >> box!
> >>
> >> I like my PCs too, I just know my Macs are better!
> >>
> >> I say use what works for you.
> >>
> >> James
> >>
> >> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >OK, my turn...
> >> >
> >> >>FADE IN:
> >> >>
> >> >>interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
> >> >>PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (younger guy) facing camera,
> >> >>standing side by side between two computer monitors.
> >> >>
> >> >>MAC
> >> >>
> >> >>Hi, I'm a Mac.
> >> >>
> >> >>PC
> >> >>
> >> >>And I'm a PC.
> >> >>
> >> >>MAC
> >> >>
> >> >>I used to be different than him, but now I'm being built
> >> >>like a PC with Intel chips & everything.
> >> >>
> >> >>PC
> >> >>
> >> >>Ummm... but you're still going to cost like three times as
> >> >>much as a PC?
> >> >>
> >> >>MAC
> >> >>
> >> >>Uhhh... Yeah! <winks at camera>
> >> >
> >> >FADE TO BLACK
> >>
> >
> >
>
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| Re: OT -- the new Mac ads- Here's the ad I'd rather see! [message #69419 is a reply to message #69412] |
Sat, 17 June 2006 07:39 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Senior Member |
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Components can fail. Software can have bugs. As consumers we shouldn't
put up with faulty components or buggy software from any supplier. Apple
has built-in reporting software to catch and send crash reports with one
click. I think that's a step in the right direction and I think it's
contributed to making the OSX environment and apps more stable over
time. Apple also regularly puts OS and security updates out that are a
couple of clicks to install.
EVERY company should buy Redstone Software's software testing app
"Eggplant" - it runs on OSX and it can test software on any platform. I
know of it because I wrote their first set of docs.
Different commercial operating systems are built on different designs in
order to provide what the designers consider to be advantages, and what
marketing people hope to use to differentiate in the market within the
commercial constraints of what the managers think will make them money.
They each carry different sets of baggage from previous iterations.
It would be a mistake to think, for example, that MacOSX and MSWindows
are alike.
Linux has less of a commercial constraint but the same idea applies, it
has areas of differentiation. It would be a mistake to think that all
operating systems are alike.
MacOSX carries less baggage and has a more elegant design overall than
the current and previous versions of MSWindows. That may not make a
difference to a lot of folks. Which is totally OK. The fact that they
are different doesn't mean you can't get a lot of work done with either
system.
But it matters to me. Given the choice, OSX is currently a better value
because it's easier to support and has better core integration for the
audio/video stuff that I do.
What's not a better value is the limited choice for hardware to run OSX.
You can't build your own box from commodity components. But if you
compare to similar pre-built MSWindows boxes using similar quality
parts, the price of a Mac is pretty close. In some cases slightly more,
in some cases not. Either way, you're getting what I think is a more
elegant system.
As elegant as a BeOS system would be had it not been sabotaged? As
elegant as an Amiga would be if it had had steady development to date?
As elegant as an Atari ST would be if it had lived on? Hard to say. But
as elegant as you can buy at the moment, perhaps until the media apps
and environment catch up on Linux.
As always, use what works for you, and don't be surprised if someone
else uses something different for their own reasons. Whatever you decide
to put up with, take advantage of, suffer with or enjoy, what matters
here is making great music.
No one will care in 100 years what OS you used, that's just for your
comfort, but they might care about the music if you make it great.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
Kim wrote:
> I've got to say I worked supporting Macs for three years, and they didn't
> seem magical never fail machines. They failed roughly as often as PC's...
> more in fact, though they did carry a higher workload.
>
> Like PC's, some Macs were wonderful and never stepped wrong. Others had a
> problem every month. Others would crash every day or two for no reason. Some
> arrived with faulty hardware. Most were fine. And some Mac users seemed to
> have trouble on any machine you gave them, while others tended to keep their
> machines running nicely, whatever you gave them.
>
> Not that I'm anti-mac. If they were the same price as PC's I'd probably own
> one. They do have benefits, but so does the PC.
>
> Anyhow, haven't we done all this... ? ;o)
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>> You know, the Mac / pc bash is pretty senseless, BUT, and this is a BIG
>
>> "BUT", to say that Macs "work" is truly a fallacy.
>> Many of my friends and colleagues are Mac users / owners, many of them the
>
>> new generation, and they have as many problems with them crashing as do
>
>> pc's, often more.
>> They're computers, they crash...deal with it.
>> --
>> Martin Harrington
>> www.lendanear-sound.com
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:44934f4e$1@linux...
>>> I do believe Apple needs to come down on their pricing, and I've said
> so
>>> here
>>> in the past. You get what you pay for though! If you were to compare
> a
>>> Hyundai or a KIA to a Cadillac, you have different pricing structures.
>
>>> The
>>> Cadillac has a simulated birds eye maple dash, the KIA has a cheap gray
>
>>> dash.
>>> Do you need a fancy dash?, I don't know but your definitely paying for
> it
>>> in the price of the Cadillac! Do you need a computer with a fancy
>>> aluminum
>>> alloy case?, I don't know but you are paying for it in the price of the
>
>>> Mac!
>>> Macs also cost more because they are not mass produced in the quantities
>>> that PCs are. It's like saying Ferraris suck because they cost five times
>>> more than Cadillacs.
>>>
>>> There is other tangible and intangible value in the price of a Mac, such
>>> as your time, Macs just work! Almost no down time, there's not much
> time
>>> spent on trying to get things to work. What is your time worth? PC guys
>>> here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
>>> conflicts,
>>> dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches. If
>>> you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
>>>
>>> I think the Mac drivers are better, and they're built in. No need to go
>
>>> searching
>>> for the drivers. The iLife software rocks! Figure about $100.00 a
>>> program,
>>> and then figure in that they actually work! There is no need for Anti
>
>>> Spyware
>>> software, pop up blocking software. The need for anti virus software
> is
>>> minimal, on a PC it is absolutely necessary if you are going on the
>>> internet
>>> and down loading anything. Viruses still get buy the software on a PC,
>
>>> what
>>> does time and lost data cost? On a mac you don't have to be a security
>
>>> administrator.
>>> Macs are harder to hack.
>>>
>>> The united States Navy, Hues aircraft and Boeing did cost of operation
>
>>> studies
>>> in the past. It was something like 6 IT guys per 100 PCs to maintain
> and
>>> administrate. It was 1 IT guy per 100 plus Macs to maintain and
>>> administrate.
>>> Because of the lower labor costs, the over all costs for business is lower
>>> with macs.
>>>
>>> So Macs do cost more initially, but that cost is offset by the time saved
>>> and the rest of the above mentioned. You get what you pay for!
>>>
>>> I think the MacBook is a reasonable deal for what you get.
>>>
>>> I'm not saying a Mac is perfect, it just looks that way next to a Windows
>>> box!
>>>
>>> I like my PCs too, I just know my Macs are better!
>>>
>>> I say use what works for you.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>> OK, my turn...
>>>>
>>>>> FADE IN:
>>>>>
>>>>> interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
>>>>> PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (younger guy) facing camera,
>>>>> standing side by side between two computer monitors.
>>>>>
>>>>> MAC
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, I'm a Mac.
>>>>>
>>>>> PC
>>>>>
>>>>> And I'm a PC.
>>>>>
>>>>> MAC
>>>>>
>>>>> I used to be different than him, but now I'm being built
>>>>> like a PC with Intel chips & everything.
>>>>>
>>>>> PC
>>>>>
>>>>> Ummm... but you're still going to cost like three times as
>>>>> much as a PC?
>>>>>
>>>>> MAC
>>>>>
>>>>> Uhhh... Yeah! <winks at camera>
>>>> FADE TO BLACK
>>
>
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| Re: OT -- the new Mac ads- Here's the ad I'd rather see! [message #69421 is a reply to message #69417] |
Sat, 17 June 2006 08:07 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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Senior Member |
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Hopefully I'm remembering this correctly, but I believe Brian T did a
comparison of Photoshop render tests between his dual dual cores at Lakewood
and a new dual G5 (at the time, not a MacIntel) - the AMDs smoked it. We've
had Macs for years, and that's the main reason I've stuck with a PC - just
way faster for less money.
All the Nuendo performance tests I've seen bear out the same results - just
far more power to be had on a PC if you are willing to do some research and
build a system (buying one from a DAW builder will run close the same as a
Mac, but will be faster for the same money at least).
No, Macs aren't crash prone, my wife's Mac kernel panics or locks up 3-5
times a day. The repair bill (a new motherboard - bad USB, I almost
positive) would be $700 so we are hanging on until we can buy or build a new
machine. Given the cost of a new Mac vs. building a new PC we are
considering the cost of crossgrading all of her software too, just as an
option to have more speed and lower maintenance costs. I don't have
anything against Macs at all - if the new machines compete better in speed
for the cost, we'll consider a Macintel.
I bought a Mac when I got into Paris just because I wanted a simple config
to run and go with - and it did offer that. However, Paris had issues and
it crashed projects, but I found a workaround. After realizing how much
power I gave up for the less cost (compared to plugin counts on PCs at the
time), I went back to a PC.
For folks that really like Macs better and don't need to squeeze every last
ounce of power out of their investment, Macs are great machines.
Oh, a little misnomer, Macs really are PCs...personal computers... :-)
That would make a funny ad!
Regards,
Dedric
On 6/17/06 7:20 AM, in article 44940347@linux, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> Mac G4 1.25 GHz ( about equivalent to a P4 2.8 GHz)
>
> .............so how do you arrive at this conclusion? Unless it's an Altivec
> enabled program, it's gonna be 1.25GHz, isn't it? I've seen this kind of
> propaganda put out by Apple for years saying that the the "Magic Mac" CPU
> runs faster than an Intel or AMD CPU. I had an Intel PII 350 around here for
> a while and it was roughly equivalent to my G4 400MHz machine performance
> wise. Nothing special, to be sure.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Deej
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:44936c3c$1@linux...
>>
>> Well, yes and no. Would it be the same exact system for the same kind of
>> money, no. Obviously your system is quite unique, so I think it is a
> little
>> unfair to ask if I could duplicate it exactly. I think you could have a
>> similar setup with all Macs and I think it would work a lot more problem
>> free. Price never seems the be too much of an object, so here it is.
>>
>> Mac G4 1.25 GHz ( about equivalent to a P4 2.8 GHz) you could also
> upgrade
>> to 1.8GHz G4 for more power. The G4 has 4 PCI slots and 1 AGP slot.
>>
>> Add a dual monitor PCI card for four monitors expanded desk top. Or you
>> could add a four head AGP card and save a PCI slot.
>>
>> Add Magma for 13 PCI slots this would give you up to 15 PCI slots.
>>
>> You can install 2GB of memory in the G4 and 4 HDs, plus external FW HDs.
>> 16GB of memory in the G5. You also have Gigabit Ethernet on both
> machines
>> standard, that might come in handy. You also have FireWire as an option
>> for audio I/O, and DSPs. FW actually works on a Mac.
>>
>> SX machine G5 Quad 2.5GHz with 16 GB of RAM, FW 400 & FW 800, USB 2, dual
>> HDs, dual head video, if you needed more monitors you could add a 4 head
>> AGP or add a dual PCI-E card.
>>
>> Add the Magma and add your cards.
>>
>> You can delete all the software you don't want. If your talking about
> stripping
>> out the system software, I wouldn't do it!, but there are people that can.
>> You can simply turn off the extensions on the O/S 9 machine, or you can
>> throw the stuff away you don't want like the printer drivers or language
>> libraries, etc.
>>
>> I think it would work, and I think you would find in time, that it would
>> work trouble free for the most part. I think it would be rock solid and
>> run smooth. But I think your system works for you, so why change.
>>
>> James
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>> PC guys
>>>> here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
>>> conflicts,
>>>> dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches. If
>>>> you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
>>>
>>> OK James. I would be really curious to know if you think you could set up
>>> two Macs to work exactly like I've got my PC's working and tell me if
>>> everything works perfectly first time. I would be really curious to know.
>> My
>>> Paris PC cost me about $500.00. My Native PC cost me around $700.00
>>> (neither price includes montors or audio hardware).
>>>
>>> You will need a Mac for Paris (which I assume you've already got) and it
>>> will need to have at least a 2G CPU, I G of RAM and 4 x video heads.. The
>>> Native machine will need to be running Cubase SX and have a dual 2.5G
> CPU,
>> 4
>>> G RAM, 4 x UAD-1 cards 3 x RME HDSP cards running in two separate Magma
>>> chassis' (unless you can somehow cram all of this into a mobo and 1
> Magma)
>>> and three video heads.
>>>
>>> I will admit it took a while to get this working properly on a PC,
> (properly
>>> meaning the *exact* way I had planned it to work) but it certainly did
> not
>>> put me out of business for one second or lose me any money because I had
>>> total control of the OS and I could work around every glitch I
> encountered
>>> until I found the sweet spot. No downtime........none at all........just
>>> lots of options when I needed them while I configured the
>>> system..........and yes, there is some configuration time involved to be
>>> sure, but I'm the one doing the configuring rather than having an OS
> handed
>>> to me that has ten tons of crap bundled with it that I'll never use and
>> I'm
>>> expected to take or leave. Can you strip this stuff out of Mac OS like
> you
>>> can with Windows? I'm curious.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Deej
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:44934f4e$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> I do believe Apple needs to come down on their pricing, and I've said
>> so
>>> here
>>>> in the past. You get what you pay for though! If you were to compare
>> a
>>>> Hyundai or a KIA to a Cadillac, you have different pricing structures.
>>> The
>>>> Cadillac has a simulated birds eye maple dash, the KIA has a cheap gray
>>> dash.
>>>> Do you need a fancy dash?, I don't know but your definitely paying for
>> it
>>>> in the price of the Cadillac! Do you need a computer with a fancy
>>> aluminum
>>>> alloy case?, I don't know but you are paying for it in the price of the
>>> Mac!
>>>> Macs also cost more because they are not mass produced in the
> quantities
>>>> that PCs are. It's like saying Ferraris suck because they cost five
> times
>>>> more than Cadillacs.
>>>>
>>>> There is other tangible and intangible value in the price of a Mac,
> such
>>>> as your time, Macs just work! Almost no down time, there's not much
>> time
>>>> spent on trying to get things to work. What is your time worth? PC
> guys
>>>> here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
>>> conflicts,
>>>> dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches. If
>>>> you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
>>>>
>>>> I think the Mac drivers are better, and they're built in. No need to go
>>> searching
>>>> for the drivers. The iLife software rocks! Figure about $100.00 a
>>> program,
>>>> and then figure in that they actually work! There is no need for Anti
>>> Spyware
>>>> software, pop up blocking software. The need for anti virus software
>> is
>>>> minimal, on a PC it is absolutely necessary if you are going on the
>>> internet
>>>> and down loading anything. Viruses still get buy the software on a PC,
>>> what
>>>> does time and lost data cost? On a mac you don't have to be a security
>>> administrator.
>>>> Macs are harder to hack.
>>>>
>>>> The united States Navy, Hues aircraft and Boeing did cost of operation
>>> studies
>>>> in the past. It was something like 6 IT guys per 100 PCs to maintain
>> and
>>>> administrate. It was 1 IT guy per 100 plus Macs to maintain and
>>> administrate.
>>>> Because of the lower labor costs, the over all costs for business is
>>> lower
>>>> with macs.
>>>>
>>>> So Macs do cost more initially, but that cost is offset by the time
> saved
>>>> and the rest of the above mentioned. You get what you pay for!
>>>>
>>>> I think the MacBook is a reasonable deal for what you get.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not saying a Mac is perfect, it just looks that way next to a
> Windows
>>>> box!
>>>>
>>>> I like my PCs too, I just know my Macs are better!
>>>>
>>>> I say use what works for you.
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, my turn...
>>>>>
>>>>>> FADE IN:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
>>>>>> PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (younger guy) facing camera,
>>>>>> standing side by side between two computer monitors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MAC
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, I'm a Mac.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PC
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I'm a PC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MAC
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I used to be different than him, but now I'm being built
>>>>>> like a PC with Intel chips & everything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PC
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ummm... but you're still going to cost like three times as
>>>>>> much as a PC?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MAC
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Uhhh... Yeah! <winks at camera>
>>>>>
>>>>> FADE TO BLACK
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: OT -- the new Mac ads- Here's the ad I'd rather see! [message #69425 is a reply to message #69421] |
Sat, 17 June 2006 11:02 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Senior Member |
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Hey Dedric,
There actually have been periods of time where the new G5s were the
fastest box on the block. But there's always something new coming out so
it changes week to week. Any benchmark is just a snapshot of the moment,
to be precluded by the next speed champion. AMD has come out with some
very speedy processors, and more power to them! Same with Intel and
IBM/Motorola.
Right now my dual 2.5GHZ G5 is not the fastest box on the block. On the
Mac side there's a quad G5 that's been out for a while, and shortly
there will be dual and perhaps quad Intel Macs out. Intel and AMD will
battle on, and so it continues.
As the CPU race goes on, nothing has yet been able to make my dual G5
box obsolete for audio because it's already more than fast enough to run
Logic with a ton of tracks and amazing plugins. For what I do, it's a
faster system to work with than anything I've used before.
This dual G5 box also runs quiet (huge improvement over the G4) and
drives a big monitor (or two), stock. It handles vast and fast hard
drives, tons of RAM, and has great i/o support. And it runs an elegant
modern operating system that made a clean and necessary break with past
Apple OS baggage, and has been steadily upgraded and improved by Apple,
which I appreciate.
All of which means I spend very little time dealing with the computer
itself. Which means more time using it.
Back to your point, what will be quite interesting will be comparing
Intel Macs with Intel boxes running other operating systems. That, at
least, reduces the variables.
Or Intel Macs running OSX vs. the same Intel Mac running another OS
(Apple's "Bootcamp" allows you to run other operating systems on Intel
Mac hardware).
Then performance gets down to OS design efficiencies in data handling
and workflow.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
Dedric Terry wrote:
> Hopefully I'm remembering this correctly, but I believe Brian T did a
> comparison of Photoshop render tests between his dual dual cores at Lakewood
> and a new dual G5 (at the time, not a MacIntel) - the AMDs smoked it. We've
> had Macs for years, and that's the main reason I've stuck with a PC - just
> way faster for less money.
>
> All the Nuendo performance tests I've seen bear out the same results - just
> far more power to be had on a PC if you are willing to do some research and
> build a system (buying one from a DAW builder will run close the same as a
> Mac, but will be faster for the same money at least).
>
> No, Macs aren't crash prone, my wife's Mac kernel panics or locks up 3-5
> times a day. The repair bill (a new motherboard - bad USB, I almost
> positive) would be $700 so we are hanging on until we can buy or build a new
> machine. Given the cost of a new Mac vs. building a new PC we are
> considering the cost of crossgrading all of her software too, just as an
> option to have more speed and lower maintenance costs. I don't have
> anything against Macs at all - if the new machines compete better in speed
> for the cost, we'll consider a Macintel.
>
> I bought a Mac when I got into Paris just because I wanted a simple config
> to run and go with - and it did offer that. However, Paris had issues and
> it crashed projects, but I found a workaround. After realizing how much
> power I gave up for the less cost (compared to plugin counts on PCs at the
> time), I went back to a PC.
>
> For folks that really like Macs better and don't need to squeeze every last
> ounce of power out of their investment, Macs are great machines.
>
> Oh, a little misnomer, Macs really are PCs...personal computers... :-)
>
> That would make a funny ad!
>
> Regards,
> Dedric
>
> On 6/17/06 7:20 AM, in article 44940347@linux, "DJ"
> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
>>> Mac G4 1.25 GHz ( about equivalent to a P4 2.8 GHz)
>> .............so how do you arrive at this conclusion? Unless it's an Altivec
>> enabled program, it's gonna be 1.25GHz, isn't it? I've seen this kind of
>> propaganda put out by Apple for years saying that the the "Magic Mac" CPU
>> runs faster than an Intel or AMD CPU. I had an Intel PII 350 around here for
>> a while and it was roughly equivalent to my G4 400MHz machine performance
>> wise. Nothing special, to be sure.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Deej
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:44936c3c$1@linux...
>>> Well, yes and no. Would it be the same exact system for the same kind of
>>> money, no. Obviously your system is quite unique, so I think it is a
>> little
>>> unfair to ask if I could duplicate it exactly. I think you could have a
>>> similar setup with all Macs and I think it would work a lot more problem
>>> free. Price never seems the be too much of an object, so here it is.
>>>
>>> Mac G4 1.25 GHz ( about equivalent to a P4 2.8 GHz) you could also
>> upgrade
>>> to 1.8GHz G4 for more power. The G4 has 4 PCI slots and 1 AGP slot.
>>>
>>> Add a dual monitor PCI card for four monitors expanded desk top. Or you
>>> could add a four head AGP card and save a PCI slot.
>>>
>>> Add Magma for 13 PCI slots this would give you up to 15 PCI slots.
>>>
>>> You can install 2GB of memory in the G4 and 4 HDs, plus external FW HDs.
>>> 16GB of memory in the G5. You also have Gigabit Ethernet on both
>> machines
>>> standard, that might come in handy. You also have FireWire as an option
>>> for audio I/O, and DSPs. FW actually works on a Mac.
>>>
>>> SX machine G5 Quad 2.5GHz with 16 GB of RAM, FW 400 & FW 800, USB 2, dual
>>> HDs, dual head video, if you needed more monitors you could add a 4 head
>>> AGP or add a dual PCI-E card.
>>>
>>> Add the Magma and add your cards.
>>>
>>> You can delete all the software you don't want. If your talking about
>> stripping
>>> out the system software, I wouldn't do it!, but there are people that can.
>>> You can simply turn off the extensions on the O/S 9 machine, or you can
>>> throw the stuff away you don't want like the printer drivers or language
>>> libraries, etc.
>>>
>>> I think it would work, and I think you would find in time, that it would
>>> work trouble free for the most part. I think it would be rock solid and
>>> run smooth. But I think your system works for you, so why change.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>> PC guys
>>>>> here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
>>>> conflicts,
>>>>> dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches. If
>>>>> you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
>>>> OK James. I would be really curious to know if you think you could set up
>>>> two Macs to work exactly like I've got my PC's working and tell me if
>>>> everything works perfectly first time. I would be really curious to know.
>>> My
>>>> Paris PC cost me about $500.00. My Native PC cost me around $700.00
>>>> (neither price includes montors or audio hardware).
>>>>
>>>> You will need a Mac for Paris (which I assume you've already got) and it
>>>> will need to have at least a 2G CPU, I G of RAM and 4 x video heads.. The
>>>> Native machine will need to be running Cubase SX and have a dual 2.5G
>> CPU,
>>> 4
>>>> G RAM, 4 x UAD-1 cards 3 x RME HDSP cards running in two separate Magma
>>>> chassis' (unless you can somehow cram all of this into a mobo and 1
>> Magma)
>>>> and three video heads.
>>>>
>>>> I will admit it took a while to get this working properly on a PC,
>> (properly
>>>> meaning the *exact* way I had planned it to work) but it certainly did
>> not
>>>> put me out of business for one second or lose me any money because I had
>>>> total control of the OS and I could work around every glitch I
>> encountered
>>>> until I found the sweet spot. No downtime........none at all........just
>>>> lots of options when I needed them while I configured the
>>>> system..........and yes, there is some configuration time involved to be
>>>> sure, but I'm the one doing the configuring rather than having an OS
>> handed
>>>> to me that has ten tons of crap bundled with it that I'll never use and
>>> I'm
>>>> expected to take or leave. Can you strip this stuff out of Mac OS like
>> you
>>>> can with Windows? I'm curious.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Deej
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:44934f4e$1@linux...
>>>>> I do believe Apple needs to come down on their pricing, and I've said
>>> so
>>>> here
>>>>> in the past. You get what you pay for though! If you were to compare
>>> a
>>>>> Hyundai or a KIA to a Cadillac, you have different pricing structures.
>>>> The
>>>>> Cadillac has a simulated birds eye maple dash, the KIA has a cheap gray
>>>> dash.
>>>>> Do you need a fancy dash?, I don't know but your definitely paying for
>>> it
>>>>> in the price of the Cadillac! Do you need a computer with a fancy
>>>> aluminum
>>>>> alloy case?, I don't know but you are paying for it in the price of the
>>>> Mac!
>>>>> Macs also cost more because they are not mass produced in the
>> quantities
>>>>> that PCs are. It's like saying Ferraris suck because they cost five
>> times
>>>>> more than Cadillacs.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is other tangible and intangible value in the price of a Mac,
>> such
>>>>> as your time, Macs just work! Almost no down time, there's not much
>>> time
>>>>> spent on trying to get things to work. What is your time worth? PC
>> guys
>>>>> here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
>>>> conflicts,
>>>>> dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches. If
>>>>> you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the Mac drivers are better, and they're built in. No need to go
>>>> searching
>>>>> for the drivers. The iLife software rocks! Figure about $100.00 a
>>>> program,
>>>>> and then figure in that they actually work! There is no need for Anti
>>>> Spyware
>>>>> software, pop up blocking software. The need for anti virus software
>>> is
>>>>> minimal, on a PC it is absolutely necessary if you are going on the
>>>> internet
>>>>> and down loading anything. Viruses still get buy the software on a PC,
>>>> what
>>>>> does time and lost data cost? On a mac you don't have to be a security
>>>> administrator.
>>>>> Macs are harder to hack.
>>>>>
>>>>> The united States Navy, Hues aircraft and Boeing did cost of operation
>>>> studies
>>>>> in the past. It was something like 6 IT guys per 100 PCs to maintain
>>> and
>>>>> administrate. It was 1 IT guy per 100 plus Macs to maintain and
>>>> administrate.
>>>>> Because of the lower labor costs, the over all costs for business is
>>>> lower
>>>>> with macs.
>>>>>
>>>>> So Macs do cost more initially, but that cost is offset by the time
>> saved
>>>>> and the rest of the above mentioned. You get what you pay for!
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the MacBook is a reasonable deal for what you get.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not saying a Mac is perfect, it just looks that way next to a
>> Windows
>>>>> box!
>>>>>
>>>>> I like my PCs too, I just know my Macs are better!
>>>>>
>>>>> I say use what works for you.
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>>> OK, my turn...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FADE IN:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
>>>>>>> PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (younger guy) facing camera,
>>>>>>> standing side by side between two computer monitors.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MAC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi, I'm a Mac.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And I'm a PC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MAC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I used to be different than him, but now I'm being built
>>>>>>> like a PC with Intel chips & everything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ummm... but you're still going to cost like three times as
>>>>>>> much as a PC?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MAC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Uhhh... Yeah! <winks at camera>
>>>>>> FADE TO BLACK
>>>>
>>
>
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| Re: OT -- the new Mac ads- Here's the ad I'd rather see! [message #69427 is a reply to message #69425] |
Sat, 17 June 2006 11:01 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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Senior Member |
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One thing about Macs that appeals to me is the 64 bit OS which can use lots
of RAM. Some of the best audio PCI hardware out there (RME) doesn't yet have
64 bit drivers, though the Fireface does. The new Mac specific Apogee boxes
look like a very nice option for a native system. I think it's going to be
another year, at least, before the Vista OS is burned in enough to bring the
developers to the table with fully functional 64 bit drivers for the UAD-1
and RME PCI cards........so to my thinking, OSX has some advantages,
depending on what hardware you're using. I can tell you this, a big a kludge
as my system is here, what basically is happening is that I have two
computers linked together in a manner that produces audio that, s I continue
to refine my methods, sounds less and less like a digital system and more
and more like the old analog sound that I grew up with and prefer. I know
Paris is a big part of that, but so are the UAD-1 processors in the native
machine. All in all, I guess this could be done with Logic or Cubase on a
Mac, as well. I haven't paid too much attention to Cubase on a Mac. Is it as
well integrated as Logic? Somehow I doubt it since Logic is owned by Apple..
Deej
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:44944280@linux...
>
> Hey Dedric,
>
> There actually have been periods of time where the new G5s were the
> fastest box on the block. But there's always something new coming out so
> it changes week to week. Any benchmark is just a snapshot of the moment,
> to be precluded by the next speed champion. AMD has come out with some
> very speedy processors, and more power to them! Same with Intel and
> IBM/Motorola.
>
> Right now my dual 2.5GHZ G5 is not the fastest box on the block. On the
> Mac side there's a quad G5 that's been out for a while, and shortly
> there will be dual and perhaps quad Intel Macs out. Intel and AMD will
> battle on, and so it continues.
>
> As the CPU race goes on, nothing has yet been able to make my dual G5
> box obsolete for audio because it's already more than fast enough to run
> Logic with a ton of tracks and amazing plugins. For what I do, it's a
> faster system to work with than anything I've used before.
>
> This dual G5 box also runs quiet (huge improvement over the G4) and
> drives a big monitor (or two), stock. It handles vast and fast hard
> drives, tons of RAM, and has great i/o support. And it runs an elegant
> modern operating system that made a clean and necessary break with past
> Apple OS baggage, and has been steadily upgraded and improved by Apple,
> which I appreciate.
>
> All of which means I spend very little time dealing with the computer
> itself. Which means more time using it.
>
> Back to your point, what will be quite interesting will be comparing
> Intel Macs with Intel boxes running other operating systems. That, at
> least, reduces the variables.
>
> Or Intel Macs running OSX vs. the same Intel Mac running another OS
> (Apple's "Bootcamp" allows you to run other operating systems on Intel
> Mac hardware).
>
> Then performance gets down to OS design efficiencies in data handling
> and workflow.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> Dedric Terry wrote:
> > Hopefully I'm remembering this correctly, but I believe Brian T did a
> > comparison of Photoshop render tests between his dual dual cores at
Lakewood
> > and a new dual G5 (at the time, not a MacIntel) - the AMDs smoked it.
We've
> > had Macs for years, and that's the main reason I've stuck with a PC -
just
> > way faster for less money.
> >
> > All the Nuendo performance tests I've seen bear out the same results -
just
> > far more power to be had on a PC if you are willing to do some research
and
> > build a system (buying one from a DAW builder will run close the same as
a
> > Mac, but will be faster for the same money at least).
> >
> > No, Macs aren't crash prone, my wife's Mac kernel panics or locks up 3-5
> > times a day. The repair bill (a new motherboard - bad USB, I almost
> > positive) would be $700 so we are hanging on until we can buy or build a
new
> > machine. Given the cost of a new Mac vs. building a new PC we are
> > considering the cost of crossgrading all of her software too, just as an
> > option to have more speed and lower maintenance costs. I don't have
> > anything against Macs at all - if the new machines compete better in
speed
> > for the cost, we'll consider a Macintel.
> >
> > I bought a Mac when I got into Paris just because I wanted a simple
config
> > to run and go with - and it did offer that. However, Paris had issues
and
> > it crashed projects, but I found a workaround. After realizing how much
> > power I gave up for the less cost (compared to plugin counts on PCs at
the
> > time), I went back to a PC.
> >
> > For folks that really like Macs better and don't need to squeeze every
last
> > ounce of power out of their investment, Macs are great machines.
> >
> > Oh, a little misnomer, Macs really are PCs...personal computers... :-)
> >
> > That would make a funny ad!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dedric
> >
> > On 6/17/06 7:20 AM, in article 44940347@linux, "DJ"
> > <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >
> >>> Mac G4 1.25 GHz ( about equivalent to a P4 2.8 GHz)
> >> .............so how do you arrive at this conclusion? Unless it's an
Altivec
> >> enabled program, it's gonna be 1.25GHz, isn't it? I've seen this kind
of
> >> propaganda put out by Apple for years saying that the the "Magic Mac"
CPU
> >> runs faster than an Intel or AMD CPU. I had an Intel PII 350 around
here for
> >> a while and it was roughly equivalent to my G4 400MHz machine
performance
> >> wise. Nothing special, to be sure.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Deej
> >>
> >> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:44936c3c$1@linux...
> >>> Well, yes and no. Would it be the same exact system for the same kind
of
> >>> money, no. Obviously your system is quite unique, so I think it is a
> >> little
> >>> unfair to ask if I could duplicate it exactly. I think you could have
a
> >>> similar setup with all Macs and I think it would work a lot more
problem
> >>> free. Price never seems the be too much of an object, so here it is.
> >>>
> >>> Mac G4 1.25 GHz ( about equivalent to a P4 2.8 GHz) you could also
> >> upgrade
> >>> to 1.8GHz G4 for more power. The G4 has 4 PCI slots and 1 AGP slot.
> >>>
> >>> Add a dual monitor PCI card for four monitors expanded desk top. Or
you
> >>> could add a four head AGP card and save a PCI slot.
> >>>
> >>> Add Magma for 13 PCI slots this would give you up to 15 PCI slots.
> >>>
> >>> You can install 2GB of memory in the G4 and 4 HDs, plus external FW
HDs.
> >>> 16GB of memory in the G5. You also have Gigabit Ethernet on both
> >> machines
> >>> standard, that might come in handy. You also have FireWire as an
option
> >>> for audio I/O, and DSPs. FW actually works on a Mac.
> >>>
> >>> SX machine G5 Quad 2.5GHz with 16 GB of RAM, FW 400 & FW 800, USB 2,
dual
> >>> HDs, dual head video, if you needed more monitors you could add a 4
head
> >>> AGP or add a dual PCI-E card.
> >>>
> >>> Add the Magma and add your cards.
> >>>
> >>> You can delete all the software you don't want. If your talking about
> >> stripping
> >>> out the system software, I wouldn't do it!, but there are people that
can.
> >>> You can simply turn off the extensions on the O/S 9 machine, or you
can
> >>> throw the stuff away you don't want like the printer drivers or
language
> >>> libraries, etc.
> >>>
> >>> I think it would work, and I think you would find in time, that it
would
> >>> work trouble free for the most part. I think it would be rock solid
and
> >>> run smooth. But I think your system works for you, so why change.
> >>>
> >>> James
> >>>
> >>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>>>> PC guys
> >>>>> here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
> >>>> conflicts,
> >>>>> dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches.
If
> >>>>> you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
> >>>> OK James. I would be really curious to know if you think you could
set up
> >>>> two Macs to work exactly like I've got my PC's working and tell me if
> >>>> everything works perfectly first time. I would be really curious to
know.
> >>> My
> >>>> Paris PC cost me about $500.00. My Native PC cost me around $700.00
> >>>> (neither price includes montors or audio hardware).
> >>>>
> >>>> You will need a Mac for Paris (which I assume you've already got) and
it
> >>>> will need to have at least a 2G CPU, I G of RAM and 4 x video heads..
The
> >>>> Native machine will need to be running Cubase SX and have a dual 2.5G
> >> CPU,
> >>> 4
> >>>> G RAM, 4 x UAD-1 cards 3 x RME HDSP cards running in two separate
Magma
> >>>> chassis' (unless you can somehow cram all of this into a mobo and 1
> >> Magma)
> >>>> and three video heads.
> >>>>
> >>>> I will admit it took a while to get this working properly on a PC,
> >> (properly
> >>>> meaning the *exact* way I had planned it to work) but it certainly
did
> >> not
> >>>> put me out of business for one second or lose me any money because I
had
> >>>> total control of the OS and I could work around every glitch I
> >> encountered
> >>>> until I found the sweet spot. No downtime........none at
all........just
> >>>> lots of options when I needed them while I configured the
> >>>> system..........and yes, there is some configuration time involved to
be
> >>>> sure, but I'm the one doing the configuring rather than having an OS
> >> handed
> >>>> to me that has ten tons of crap bundled with it that I'll never use
and
> >>> I'm
> >>>> expected to take or leave. Can you strip this stuff out of Mac OS
like
> >> you
> >>>> can with Windows? I'm curious.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Deej
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> .
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:44934f4e$1@linux...
> >>>>> I do believe Apple needs to come down on their pricing, and I've
said
> >>> so
> >>>> here
> >>>>> in the past. You get what you pay for though! If you were to
compare
> >>> a
> >>>>> Hyundai or a KIA to a Cadillac, you have different pricing
structures.
> >>>> The
> >>>>> Cadillac has a simulated birds eye maple dash, the KIA has a cheap
gray
> >>>> dash.
> >>>>> Do you need a fancy dash?, I don't know but your definitely paying
for
> >>> it
> >>>>> in the price of the Cadillac! Do you need a computer with a fancy
> >>>> aluminum
> >>>>> alloy case?, I don't know but you are paying for it in the price of
the
> >>>> Mac!
> >>>>> Macs also cost more because they are not mass produced in the
> >> quantities
> >>>>> that PCs are. It's like saying Ferraris suck because they cost five
> >> times
> >>>>> more than Cadillacs.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There is other tangible and intangible value in the price of a Mac,
> >> such
> >>>>> as your time, Macs just work! Almost no down time, there's not
much
> >>> time
> >>>>> spent on trying to get things to work. What is your time worth? PC
> >> guys
> >>>>> here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
> >>>> conflicts,
> >>>>> dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches.
If
> >>>>> you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think the Mac drivers are better, and they're built in. No need to
go
> >>>> searching
> >>>>> for the drivers. The iLife software rocks! Figure about $100.00 a
> >>>> program,
> >>>>> and then figure in that they actually work! There is no need for
Anti
> >>>> Spyware
> >>>>> software, pop up blocking software. The need for anti virus
software
> >>> is
> >>>>> minimal, on a PC it is absolutely necessary if you are going on the
> >>>> internet
> >>>>> and down loading anything. Viruses still get buy the software on a
PC,
> >>>> what
> >>>>> does time and lost data cost? On a mac you don't have to be a
security
> >>>> administrator.
> >>>>> Macs are harder to hack.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The united States Navy, Hues aircraft and Boeing did cost of
operation
> >>>> studies
> >>>>> in the past. It was something like 6 IT guys per 100 PCs to
maintain
> >>> and
> >>>>> administrate. It was 1 IT guy per 100 plus Macs to maintain and
> >>>> administrate.
> >>>>> Because of the lower labor costs, the over all costs for business
is
> >>>> lower
> >>>>> with macs.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So Macs do cost more initially, but that cost is offset by the time
> >> saved
> >>>>> and the rest of the above mentioned. You get what you pay for!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think the MacBook is a reasonable deal for what you get.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm not saying a Mac is perfect, it just looks that way next to a
> >> Windows
> >>>>> box!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I like my PCs too, I just know my Macs are better!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I say use what works for you.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> James
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> OK, my turn...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> FADE IN:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
> >>>>>>> PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (younger guy) facing camera,
> >>>>>>> standing side by side between two computer monitors.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> MAC
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi, I'm a Mac.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> PC
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> And I'm a PC.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> MAC
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I used to be different than him, but now I'm being built
> >>>>>>> like a PC with Intel chips & everything.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> PC
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ummm... but you're still going to cost like three times as
> >>>>>>> much as a PC?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> MAC
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Uhhh... Yeah! <winks at camera>
> >>>>>> FADE TO BLACK
> >>>>
> >>
> >
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| Re: OT -- the new Mac ads- Here's the ad I'd rather see! [message #69430 is a reply to message #69427] |
Sat, 17 June 2006 11:41 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Senior Member |
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On the Mac it's sorta 64 bit but not really. IOW, OSX GUI and OSX apps
are currently 32 bit but there is underlying support for access to
larger amounts of RAM, which as you point out is a great benefit.
Being able to run everything on one computer and within one application
is a huge workflow benefit. Whether a native system will give you the
sound you want, I can't say. But using all native w/Logic does sound
good to me, and my clients haven't complained. :^)
I don't know how efficient Cubase is on OSX. When I was evaluating
sequencers for the Mac, Logic got my $$. But Logic was efficient before
Apple bought out eMagic, and it was efficient on other platforms before
it came to OSX. There's no reason Cubase couldn't be efficient on OSX
with core audio. Digital Performer also has a lot of fans.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
DJ wrote:
> One thing about Macs that appeals to me is the 64 bit OS which can use lots
> of RAM. Some of the best audio PCI hardware out there (RME) doesn't yet have
> 64 bit drivers, though the Fireface does. The new Mac specific Apogee boxes
> look like a very nice option for a native system. I think it's going to be
> another year, at least, before the Vista OS is burned in enough to bring the
> developers to the table with fully functional 64 bit drivers for the UAD-1
> and RME PCI cards........so to my thinking, OSX has some advantages,
> depending on what hardware you're using. I can tell you this, a big a kludge
> as my system is here, what basically is happening is that I have two
> computers linked together in a manner that produces audio that, s I continue
> to refine my methods, sounds less and less like a digital system and more
> and more like the old analog sound that I grew up with and prefer. I know
> Paris is a big part of that, but so are the UAD-1 processors in the native
> machine. All in all, I guess this could be done with Logic or Cubase on a
> Mac, as well. I haven't paid too much attention to Cubase on a Mac. Is it as
> well integrated as Logic? Somehow I doubt it since Logic is owned by Apple..
>
> Deej
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:44944280@linux...
>> Hey Dedric,
>>
>> There actually have been periods of time where the new G5s were the
>> fastest box on the block. But there's always something new coming out so
>> it changes week to week. Any benchmark is just a snapshot of the moment,
>> to be precluded by the next speed champion. AMD has come out with some
>> very speedy processors, and more power to them! Same with Intel and
>> IBM/Motorola.
>>
>> Right now my dual 2.5GHZ G5 is not the fastest box on the block. On the
>> Mac side there's a quad G5 that's been out for a while, and shortly
>> there will be dual and perhaps quad Intel Macs out. Intel and AMD will
>> battle on, and so it continues.
>>
>> As the CPU race goes on, nothing has yet been able to make my dual G5
>> box obsolete for audio because it's already more than fast enough to run
>> Logic with a ton of tracks and amazing plugins. For what I do, it's a
>> faster system to work with than anything I've used before.
>>
>> This dual G5 box also runs quiet (huge improvement over the G4) and
>> drives a big monitor (or two), stock. It handles vast and fast hard
>> drives, tons of RAM, and has great i/o support. And it runs an elegant
>> modern operating system that made a clean and necessary break with past
>> Apple OS baggage, and has been steadily upgraded and improved by Apple,
>> which I appreciate.
>>
>> All of which means I spend very little time dealing with the computer
>> itself. Which means more time using it.
>>
>> Back to your point, what will be quite interesting will be comparing
>> Intel Macs with Intel boxes running other operating systems. That, at
>> least, reduces the variables.
>>
>> Or Intel Macs running OSX vs. the same Intel Mac running another OS
>> (Apple's "Bootcamp" allows you to run other operating systems on Intel
>> Mac hardware).
>>
>> Then performance gets down to OS design efficiencies in data handling
>> and workflow.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>> Hopefully I'm remembering this correctly, but I believe Brian T did a
>>> comparison of Photoshop render tests between his dual dual cores at
> Lakewood
>>> and a new dual G5 (at the time, not a MacIntel) - the AMDs smoked it.
> We've
>>> had Macs for years, and that's the main reason I've stuck with a PC -
> just
>>> way faster for less money.
>>>
>>> All the Nuendo performance tests I've seen bear out the same results -
> just
>>> far more power to be had on a PC if you are willing to do some research
> and
>>> build a system (buying one from a DAW builder will run close the same as
> a
>>> Mac, but will be faster for the same money at least).
>>>
>>> No, Macs aren't crash prone, my wife's Mac kernel panics or locks up 3-5
>>> times a day. The repair bill (a new motherboard - bad USB, I almost
>>> positive) would be $700 so we are hanging on until we can buy or build a
> new
>>> machine. Given the cost of a new Mac vs. building a new PC we are
>>> considering the cost of crossgrading all of her software too, just as an
>>> option to have more speed and lower maintenance costs. I don't have
>>> anything against Macs at all - if the new machines compete better in
> speed
>>> for the cost, we'll consider a Macintel.
>>>
>>> I bought a Mac when I got into Paris just because I wanted a simple
> config
>>> to run and go with - and it did offer that. However, Paris had issues
> and
>>> it crashed projects, but I found a workaround. After realizing how much
>>> power I gave up for the less cost (compared to plugin counts on PCs at
> the
>>> time), I went back to a PC.
>>>
>>> For folks that really like Macs better and don't need to squeeze every
> last
>>> ounce of power out of their investment, Macs are great machines.
>>>
>>> Oh, a little misnomer, Macs really are PCs...personal computers... :-)
>>>
>>> That would make a funny ad!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> On 6/17/06 7:20 AM, in article 44940347@linux, "DJ"
>>> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Mac G4 1.25 GHz ( about equivalent to a P4 2.8 GHz)
>>>> .............so how do you arrive at this conclusion? Unless it's an
> Altivec
>>>> enabled program, it's gonna be 1.25GHz, isn't it? I've seen this kind
> of
>>>> propaganda put out by Apple for years saying that the the "Magic Mac"
> CPU
>>>> runs faster than an Intel or AMD CPU. I had an Intel PII 350 around
> here for
>>>> a while and it was roughly equivalent to my G4 400MHz machine
> performance
>>>> wise. Nothing special, to be sure.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Deej
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:44936c3c$1@linux...
>>>>> Well, yes and no. Would it be the same exact system for the same kind
> of
>>>>> money, no. Obviously your system is quite unique, so I think it is a
>>>> little
>>>>> unfair to ask if I could duplicate it exactly. I think you could have
> a
>>>>> similar setup with all Macs and I think it would work a lot more
> problem
>>>>> free. Price never seems the be too much of an object, so here it is.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mac G4 1.25 GHz ( about equivalent to a P4 2.8 GHz) you could also
>>>> upgrade
>>>>> to 1.8GHz G4 for more power. The G4 has 4 PCI slots and 1 AGP slot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Add a dual monitor PCI card for four monitors expanded desk top. Or
> you
>>>>> could add a four head AGP card and save a PCI slot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Add Magma for 13 PCI slots this would give you up to 15 PCI slots.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can install 2GB of memory in the G4 and 4 HDs, plus external FW
> HDs.
>>>>> 16GB of memory in the G5. You also have Gigabit Ethernet on both
>>>> machines
>>>>> standard, that might come in handy. You also have FireWire as an
> option
>>>>> for audio I/O, and DSPs. FW actually works on a Mac.
>>>>>
>>>>> SX machine G5 Quad 2.5GHz with 16 GB of RAM, FW 400 & FW 800, USB 2,
> dual
>>>>> HDs, dual head video, if you needed more monitors you could add a 4
> head
>>>>> AGP or add a dual PCI-E card.
>>>>>
>>>>> Add the Magma and add your cards.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can delete all the software you don't want. If your talking about
>>>> stripping
>>>>> out the system software, I wouldn't do it!, but there are people that
> can.
>>>>> You can simply turn off the extensions on the O/S 9 machine, or you
> can
>>>>> throw the stuff away you don't want like the printer drivers or
> language
>>>>> libraries, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it would work, and I think you would find in time, that it
> would
>>>>> work trouble free for the most part. I think it would be rock solid
> and
>>>>> run smooth. But I think your system works for you, so why change.
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> PC guys
>>>>>>> here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
>>>>>> conflicts,
>>>>>>> dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches.
> If
>>>>>>> you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
>>>>>> OK James. I would be really curious to know if you think you could
> set up
>>>>>> two Macs to work exactly like I've got my PC's working and tell me if
>>>>>> everything works perfectly first time. I would be really curious to
> know.
>>>>> My
>>>>>> Paris PC cost me about $500.00. My Native PC cost me around $700.00
>>>>>> (neither price includes montors or audio hardware).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You will need a Mac for Paris (which I assume you've already got) and
> it
>>>>>> will need to have at least a 2G CPU, I G of RAM and 4 x video heads..
> The
>>>>>> Native machine will need to be running Cubase SX and have a dual 2.5G
>>>> CPU,
>>>>> 4
>>>>>> G RAM, 4 x UAD-1 cards 3 x RME HDSP cards running in two separate
> Magma
>>>>>> chassis' (unless you can somehow cram all of this into a mobo and 1
>>>> Magma)
>>>>>> and three video heads.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will admit it took a while to get this working properly on a PC,
>>>> (properly
>>>>>> meaning the *exact* way I had planned it to work) but it certainly
> did
>>>> not
>>>>>> put me out of business for one second or lose me any money because I
> had
>>>>>> total control of the OS and I could work around every glitch I
>>>> encountered
>>>>>> until I found the sweet spot. No downtime........none at
> all........just
>>>>>> lots of options when I needed them while I configured the
>>>>>> system..........and yes, there is some configuration time involved to
> be
>>>>>> sure, but I'm the one doing the configuring rather than having an OS
>>>> handed
>>>>>> to me that has ten tons of crap bundled with it that I'll never use
> and
>>>>> I'm
>>>>>> expected to take or leave. Can you strip this stuff out of Mac OS
> like
>>>> you
>>>>>> can with Windows? I'm curious.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Deej
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:44934f4e$1@linux...
>>>>>>> I do believe Apple needs to come down on their pricing, and I've
> said
>>>>> so
>>>>>> here
>>>>>>> in the past. You get what you pay for though! If you were to
> compare
>>>>> a
>>>>>>> Hyundai or a KIA to a Cadillac, you have different pricing
> structures.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> Cadillac has a simulated birds eye maple dash, the KIA has a cheap
> gray
>>>>>> dash.
>>>>>>> Do you need a fancy dash?, I don't know but your definitely paying
> for
>>>>> it
>>>>>>> in the price of the Cadillac! Do you need a computer with a fancy
>>>>>> aluminum
>>>>>>> alloy case?, I don't know but you are paying for it in the price of
> the
>>>>>> Mac!
>>>>>>> Macs also cost more because they are not mass produced in the
>>>> quantities
>>>>>>> that PCs are. It's like saying Ferraris suck because they cost five
>>>> times
>>>>>>> more than Cadillacs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is other tangible and intangible value in the price of a Mac,
>>>> such
>>>>>>> as your time, Macs just work! Almost no down time, there's not
> much
>>>>> time
>>>>>>> spent on trying to get things to work. What is your time worth? PC
>>>> guys
>>>>>>> here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
>>>>>> conflicts,
>>>>>>> dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches.
> If
>>>>>>> you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the Mac drivers are better, and they're built in. No need to
> go
>>>>>> searching
>>>>>>> for the drivers. The iLife software rocks! Figure about $100.00 a
>>>>>> program,
>>>>>>> and then figure in that they actually work! There is no need for
> Anti
>>>>>> Spyware
>>>>>>> software, pop up blocking software. The need for anti virus
> software
>>>>> is
>>>>>>> minimal, on a PC it is absolutely necessary if you are going on the
>>>>>> internet
>>>>>>> and down loading anything. Viruses still get buy the software on a
> PC,
>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> does time and lost data cost? On a mac you don't have to be a
> security
>>>>>> administrator.
>>>>>>> Macs are harder to hack.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The united States Navy, Hues aircraft and Boeing did cost of
> operation
>>>>>> studies
>>>>>>> in the past. It was something like 6 IT guys per 100 PCs to
> maintain
>>>>> and
>>>>>>> administrate. It was 1 IT guy per 100 plus Macs to maintain and
>>>>>> administrate.
>>>>>>> Because of the lower labor costs, the over all costs for business
> is
>>>>>> lower
>>>>>>> with macs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So Macs do cost more initially, but that cost is offset by the time
>>>> saved
>>>>>>> and the rest of the above mentioned. You get what you pay for!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the MacBook is a reasonable deal for what you get.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not saying a Mac is perfect, it just looks that way next to a
>>>> Windows
>>>>>>> box!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like my PCs too, I just know my Macs are better!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I say use what works for you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> OK, my turn...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> FADE IN:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
>>>>>>>>> PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (younger guy) facing camera,
>>>>>>>>> standing side by side between two computer monitors.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> MAC
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi, I'm a Mac.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> PC
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And I'm a PC.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> MAC
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I used to be different than him, but now I'm being built
>>>>>>>>> like a PC with Intel chips & everything.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> PC
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ummm... but you're still going to cost like three times as
>>>>>>>>> much as a PC?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> MAC
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Uhhh... Yeah! <winks at camera>
>>>>>>>> FADE TO BLACK
>
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Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
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Thanks for the info on this. I haven't ruled out getting a Macintel in the
future. It would be nice to be able to access more RAM in Cubase SX.
;o)
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:44944b6c@linux...
>
> On the Mac it's sorta 64 bit but not really. IOW, OSX GUI and OSX apps
> are currently 32 bit but there is underlying support for access to
> larger amounts of RAM, which as you point out is a great benefit.
>
> Being able to run everything on one computer and within one application
> is a huge workflow benefit. Whether a native system will give you the
> sound you want, I can't say. But using all native w/Logic does sound
> good to me, and my clients haven't complained. :^)
>
> I don't know how efficient Cubase is on OSX. When I was evaluating
> sequencers for the Mac, Logic got my $$. But Logic was efficient before
> Apple bought out eMagic, and it was efficient on other platforms before
> it came to OSX. There's no reason Cubase couldn't be efficient on OSX
> with core audio. Digital Performer also has a lot of fans.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> DJ wrote:
> > One thing about Macs that appeals to me is the 64 bit OS which can use
lots
> > of RAM. Some of the best audio PCI hardware out there (RME) doesn't yet
have
> > 64 bit drivers, though the Fireface does. The new Mac specific Apogee
boxes
> > look like a very nice option for a native system. I think it's going to
be
> > another year, at least, before the Vista OS is burned in enough to bring
the
> > developers to the table with fully functional 64 bit drivers for the
UAD-1
> > and RME PCI cards........so to my thinking, OSX has some advantages,
> > depending on what hardware you're using. I can tell you this, a big a
kludge
> > as my system is here, what basically is happening is that I have two
> > computers linked together in a manner that produces audio that, s I
continue
> > to refine my methods, sounds less and less like a digital system and
more
> > and more like the old analog sound that I grew up with and prefer. I
know
> > Paris is a big part of that, but so are the UAD-1 processors in the
native
> > machine. All in all, I guess this could be done with Logic or Cubase on
a
> > Mac, as well. I haven't paid too much attention to Cubase on a Mac. Is
it as
> > well integrated as Logic? Somehow I doubt it since Logic is owned by
Apple..
> >
> > Deej
> >
> > "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:44944280@linux...
> >> Hey Dedric,
> >>
> >> There actually have been periods of time where the new G5s were the
> >> fastest box on the block. But there's always something new coming out
so
> >> it changes week to week. Any benchmark is just a snapshot of the
moment,
> >> to be precluded by the next speed champion. AMD has come out with some
> >> very speedy processors, and more power to them! Same with Intel and
> >> IBM/Motorola.
> >>
> >> Right now my dual 2.5GHZ G5 is not the fastest box on the block. On the
> >> Mac side there's a quad G5 that's been out for a while, and shortly
> >> there will be dual and perhaps quad Intel Macs out. Intel and AMD will
> >> battle on, and so it continues.
> >>
> >> As the CPU race goes on, nothing has yet been able to make my dual G5
> >> box obsolete for audio because it's already more than fast enough to
run
> >> Logic with a ton of tracks and amazing plugins. For what I do, it's a
> >> faster system to work with than anything I've used before.
> >>
> >> This dual G5 box also runs quiet (huge improvement over the G4) and
> >> drives a big monitor (or two), stock. It handles vast and fast hard
> >> drives, tons of RAM, and has great i/o support. And it runs an elegant
> >> modern operating system that made a clean and necessary break with past
> >> Apple OS baggage, and has been steadily upgraded and improved by Apple,
> >> which I appreciate.
> >>
> >> All of which means I spend very little time dealing with the computer
> >> itself. Which means more time using it.
> >>
> >> Back to your point, what will be quite interesting will be comparing
> >> Intel Macs with Intel boxes running other operating systems. That, at
> >> least, reduces the variables.
> >>
> >> Or Intel Macs running OSX vs. the same Intel Mac running another OS
> >> (Apple's "Bootcamp" allows you to run other operating systems on Intel
> >> Mac hardware).
> >>
> >> Then performance gets down to OS design efficiencies in data handling
> >> and workflow.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> -Jamie
> >> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
> >>
> >>
> >> Dedric Terry wrote:
> >>> Hopefully I'm remembering this correctly, but I believe Brian T did a
> >>> comparison of Photoshop render tests between his dual dual cores at
> > Lakewood
> >>> and a new dual G5 (at the time, not a MacIntel) - the AMDs smoked it.
> > We've
> >>> had Macs for years, and that's the main reason I've stuck with a PC -
> > just
> >>> way faster for less money.
> >>>
> >>> All the Nuendo performance tests I've seen bear out the same results -
> > just
> >>> far more power to be had on a PC if you are willing to do some
research
> > and
> >>> build a system (buying one from a DAW builder will run close the same
as
> > a
> >>> Mac, but will be faster for the same money at least).
> >>>
> >>> No, Macs aren't crash prone, my wife's Mac kernel panics or locks up
3-5
> >>> times a day. The repair bill (a new motherboard - bad USB, I almost
> >>> positive) would be $700 so we are hanging on until we can buy or build
a
> > new
> >>> machine. Given the cost of a new Mac vs. building a new PC we are
> >>> considering the cost of crossgrading all of her software too, just as
an
> >>> option to have more speed and lower maintenance costs. I don't have
> >>> anything against Macs at all - if the new machines compete better in
> > speed
> >>> for the cost, we'll consider a Macintel.
> >>>
> >>> I bought a Mac when I got into Paris just because I wanted a simple
> > config
> >>> to run and go with - and it did offer that. However, Paris had issues
> > and
> >>> it crashed projects, but I found a workaround. After realizing how
much
> >>> power I gave up for the less cost (compared to plugin counts on PCs at
> > the
> >>> time), I went back to a PC.
> >>>
> >>> For folks that really like Macs better and don't need to squeeze every
> > last
> >>> ounce of power out of their investment, Macs are great machines.
> >>>
> >>> Oh, a little misnomer, Macs really are PCs...personal computers... :-)
> >>>
> >>> That would make a funny ad!
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Dedric
> >>>
> >>> On 6/17/06 7:20 AM, in article 44940347@linux, "DJ"
> >>> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> Mac G4 1.25 GHz ( about equivalent to a P4 2.8 GHz)
> >>>> .............so how do you arrive at this conclusion? Unless it's an
> > Altivec
> >>>> enabled program, it's gonna be 1.25GHz, isn't it? I've seen this kind
> > of
> >>>> propaganda put out by Apple for years saying that the the "Magic Mac"
> > CPU
> >>>> runs faster than an Intel or AMD CPU. I had an Intel PII 350 around
> > here for
> >>>> a while and it was roughly equivalent to my G4 400MHz machine
> > performance
> >>>> wise. Nothing special, to be sure.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Deej
> >>>>
> >>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:44936c3c$1@linux...
> >>>>> Well, yes and no. Would it be the same exact system for the same
kind
> > of
> >>>>> money, no. Obviously your system is quite unique, so I think it is
a
> >>>> little
> >>>>> unfair to ask if I could duplicate it exactly. I think you could
have
> > a
> >>>>> similar setup with all Macs and I think it would work a lot more
> > problem
> >>>>> free. Price never seems the be too much of an object, so here it
is.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mac G4 1.25 GHz ( about equivalent to a P4 2.8 GHz) you could also
> >>>> upgrade
> >>>>> to 1.8GHz G4 for more power. The G4 has 4 PCI slots and 1 AGP slot.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Add a dual monitor PCI card for four monitors expanded desk top. Or
> > you
> >>>>> could add a four head AGP card and save a PCI slot.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Add Magma for 13 PCI slots this would give you up to 15 PCI slots.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You can install 2GB of memory in the G4 and 4 HDs, plus external FW
> > HDs.
> >>>>> 16GB of memory in the G5. You also have Gigabit Ethernet on both
> >>>> machines
> >>>>> standard, that might come in handy. You also have FireWire as an
> > option
> >>>>> for audio I/O, and DSPs. FW actually works on a Mac.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> SX machine G5 Quad 2.5GHz with 16 GB of RAM, FW 400 & FW 800, USB 2,
> > dual
> >>>>> HDs, dual head video, if you needed more monitors you could add a 4
> > head
> >>>>> AGP or add a dual PCI-E card.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Add the Magma and add your cards.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You can delete all the software you don't want. If your talking
about
> >>>> stripping
> >>>>> out the system software, I wouldn't do it!, but there are people
that
> > can.
> >>>>> You can simply turn off the extensions on the O/S 9 machine, or you
> > can
> >>>>> throw the stuff away you don't want like the printer drivers or
> > language
> >>>>> libraries, etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think it would work, and I think you would find in time, that it
> > would
> >>>>> work trouble free for the most part. I think it would be rock solid
> > and
> >>>>> run smooth. But I think your system works for you, so why change.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> James
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>> PC guys
> >>>>>>> here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts,
hardware
> >>>>>> conflicts,
> >>>>>>> dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other
headaches.
> > If
> >>>>>>> you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
> >>>>>> OK James. I would be really curious to know if you think you could
> > set up
> >>>>>> two Macs to work exactly like I've got my PC's working and tell me
if
> >>>>>> everything works perfectly first time. I would be really curious to
> > know.
> >>>>> My
> >>>>>> Paris PC cost me about $500.00. My Native PC cost me around
$700.00
> >>>>>> (neither price includes montors or audio hardware).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You will need a Mac for Paris (which I assume you've already got)
and
> > it
> >>>>>> will need to have at least a 2G CPU, I G of RAM and 4 x video
heads..
> > The
> >>>>>> Native machine will need to be running Cubase SX and have a dual
2.5G
> >>>> CPU,
> >>>>> 4
> >>>>>> G RAM, 4 x UAD-1 cards 3 x RME HDSP cards running in two separate
> > Magma
> >>>>>> chassis' (unless you can somehow cram all of this into a mobo and 1
> >>>> Magma)
> >>>>>> and three video heads.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I will admit it took a while to get this working properly on a PC,
> >>>> (properly
> >>>>>> meaning the *exact* way I had planned it to work) but it certainly
> > did
> >>>> not
> >>>>>> put me out of business for one second or lose me any money because
I
> > had
> >>>>>> total control of the OS and I could work around every glitch I
> >>>> encountered
> >>>>>> until I found the sweet spot. No downtime........none at
> > all........just
> >>>>>> lots of options when I needed them while I configured the
> >>>>>> system..........and yes, there is some configuration time involved
to
> > be
> >>>>>> sure, but I'm the one doing the configuring rather than having an
OS
> >>>> handed
> >>>>>> to me that has ten tons of crap bundled with it that I'll never use
> > and
> >>>>> I'm
> >>>>>> expected to take or leave. Can you strip this stuff out of Mac OS
> > like
> >>>> you
> >>>>>> can with Windows? I'm curious.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Deej
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> .
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>> news:44934f4e$1@linux...
> >>>>>>> I do believe Apple needs to come down on their pricing, and I've
> > said
> >>>>> so
> >>>>>> here
> >>>>>>> in the past. You get what you pay for though! If you were to
> > compare
> >>>>> a
> >>>>>>> Hyundai or a KIA to a Cadillac, you have different pricing
> > structures.
> >>>>>> The
> >>>>>>> Cadillac has a simulated birds eye maple dash, the KIA has a cheap
> > gray
> >>>>>> dash.
> >>>>>>> Do you need a fancy dash?, I don't know but your definitely
paying
> > for
> >>>>> it
> >>>>>>> in the price of the Cadillac! Do you need a computer with a fancy
> >>>>>> aluminum
> >>>>>>> alloy case?, I don't know but you are paying for it in the price
of
> > the
> >>>>>> Mac!
> >>>>>>> Macs also cost more because they are not mass produced in the
> >>>> quantities
> >>>>>>> that PCs are. It's like saying Ferraris suck because they cost
five
> >>>> times
> >>>>>>> more than Cadillacs.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There is other tangible and intangible value in the price of a
Mac,
> >>>> such
> >>>>>>> as your time, Macs just work! Almost no down time, there's not
> > much
> >>>>> time
> >>>>>>> spent on trying to get things to work. What is your time worth?
PC
> >>>> guys
> >>>>>>> here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts,
hardware
> >>>>>> conflicts,
> >>>>>>> dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other
headaches.
> > If
> >>>>>>> you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I think the Mac drivers are better, and they're built in. No need
to
> > go
> >>>>>> searching
> >>>>>>> for the drivers. The iLife software rocks! Figure about $100.00
a
> >>>>>> program,
> >>>>>>> and then figure in that they actually work! There is no need for
> > Anti
> >>>>>> Spyware
> >>>>>>> software, pop up blocking software. The need for anti virus
> > software
> >>>>> is
> >>>>>>> minimal, on a PC it is absolutely necessary if you are going on
the
> >>>>>> internet
> >>>>>>> and down loading anything. Viruses still get buy the software on
a
> > PC,
> >>>>>> what
> >>>>>>> does time and lost data cost? On a mac you don't have to be a
> > security
> >>>>>> administrator.
> >>>>>>> Macs are harder to hack.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The united States Navy, Hues aircraft and Boeing did cost of
> > operation
> >>>>>> studies
> >>>>>>> in the past. It was something like 6 IT guys per 100 PCs to
> > maintain
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>>> administrate. It was 1 IT guy per 100 plus Macs to maintain and
> >>>>>> administrate.
> >>>>>>> Because of the lower labor costs, the over all costs for business
> > is
> >>>>>> lower
> >>>>>>> with macs.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So Macs do cost more initially, but that cost is offset by the
time
> >>>> saved
> >>>>>>> and the rest of the above mentioned. You get what you pay for!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I think the MacBook is a reasonable deal for what you get.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm not saying a Mac is perfect, it just looks that way next to a
> >>>> Windows
> >>>>>>> box!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I like my PCs too, I just know my Macs are better!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I say use what works for you.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> James
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> OK, my turn...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> FADE IN:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
> >>>>>>>>> PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (younger guy) facing camera,
> >>>>>>>>> standing side by side between two computer monitors.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> MAC
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hi, I'm a Mac.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> PC
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> And I'm a PC.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> MAC
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I used to be different than him, but now I'm being built
> >>>>>>>>> like a PC with Intel chips & everything.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> PC
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Ummm... but you're still going to cost like three times as
> >>>>>>>>> much as a PC?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> MAC
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Uhhh... Yeah! <winks at camera>
> >>>>>>>> FADE TO BLACK
> >
> >
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| Re: OT -- the new Mac ads- Here's the ad I'd rather see! [message #69437 is a reply to message #69402] |
Sat, 17 June 2006 12:19 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Oh yeah...............there is a 4 head video card for the Mac? Link please.
>
>Thanks again,
>
>Deej
I think I'm 2 for 2. I believe I was wrong about 4 head cards being available
for the Mac. In the past at MacWorld I saw a company with a 4 head card,
I think it may have been Tatung, I don't remember, I also saw a 4 head card
at a Matrox presentation for the RTMac. I've been under the impression that
Matrox had a 4 head card for the Mac, but after looking I seen nothing on
their sight.
I was also under the impression that Dual Link DVI cards could support 4
monitors with Y cables, but I my be wrong on that one too.
However, you can add multiple video cards to a Mac and extend the desk top.
Here is another option for the Mac, Zenview.
http://digitaltigers.com/index.shtml?gclid=CMC6sbv5zYUCFRd4S AodLUdAow
http://www.digitaltigers.com/sidecar-mac.shtml
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:44936c3c$1@linux...
>>
>> Well, yes and no. Would it be the same exact system for the same kind
of
>> money, no. Obviously your system is quite unique, so I think it is a
>little
>> unfair to ask if I could duplicate it exactly. I think you could have
a
>> similar setup with all Macs and I think it would work a lot more problem
>> free. Price never seems the be too much of an object, so here it is.
>>
>> Mac G4 1.25 GHz ( about equivalent to a P4 2.8 GHz) you could also
>upgrade
>> to 1.8GHz G4 for more power. The G4 has 4 PCI slots and 1 AGP slot.
>>
>> Add a dual monitor PCI card for four monitors expanded desk top. Or you
>> could add a four head AGP card and save a PCI slot.
>>
>> Add Magma for 13 PCI slots this would give you up to 15 PCI slots.
>>
>> You can install 2GB of memory in the G4 and 4 HDs, plus external FW HDs.
>> 16GB of memory in the G5. You also have Gigabit Ethernet on both
>machines
>> standard, that might come in handy. You also have FireWire as an option
>> for audio I/O, and DSPs. FW actually works on a Mac.
>>
>> SX machine G5 Quad 2.5GHz with 16 GB of RAM, FW 400 & FW 800, USB 2, dual
>> HDs, dual head video, if you needed more monitors you could add a 4 head
>> AGP or add a dual PCI-E card.
>>
>> Add the Magma and add your cards.
>>
>> You can delete all the software you don't want. If your talking about
>stripping
>> out the system software, I wouldn't do it!, but there are people that
can.
>> You can simply turn off the extensions on the O/S 9 machine, or you can
>> throw the stuff away you don't want like the printer drivers or language
>> libraries, etc.
>>
>> I think it would work, and I think you would find in time, that it would
>> work trouble free for the most part. I think it would be rock solid and
>> run smooth. But I think your system works for you, so why change.
>>
>> James
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>PC guys
>> >>here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
>> >conflicts,
>> >>dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches.
If
>> >>you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
>> >
>> >OK James. I would be really curious to know if you think you could set
up
>> >two Macs to work exactly like I've got my PC's working and tell me if
>> >everything works perfectly first time. I would be really curious to know.
>> My
>> >Paris PC cost me about $500.00. My Native PC cost me around $700.00
>> >(neither price includes montors or audio hardware).
>> >
>> >You will need a Mac for Paris (which I assume you've already got) and
it
>> >will need to have at least a 2G CPU, I G of RAM and 4 x video heads..
The
>> >Native machine will need to be running Cubase SX and have a dual 2.5G
>CPU,
>> 4
>> >G RAM, 4 x UAD-1 cards 3 x RME HDSP cards running in two separate Magma
>> >chassis' (unless you can somehow cram all of this into a mobo and 1
>Magma)
>> >and three video heads.
>> >
>> >I will admit it took a while to get this working properly on a PC,
>(properly
>> >meaning the *exact* way I had planned it to work) but it certainly did
>not
>> >put me out of business for one second or lose me any money because I
had
>> >total control of the OS and I could work around every glitch I
>encountered
>> >until I found the sweet spot. No downtime........none at all........just
>> >lots of options when I needed them while I configured the
>> >system..........and yes, there is some configuration time involved to
be
>> >sure, but I'm the one doing the configuring rather than having an OS
>handed
>> >to me that has ten tons of crap bundled with it that I'll never use and
>> I'm
>> >expected to take or leave. Can you strip this stuff out of Mac OS like
>you
>> >can with Windows? I'm curious.
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >
>> >Deej
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:44934f4e$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> I do believe Apple needs to come down on their pricing, and I've said
>> so
>> >here
>> >> in the past. You get what you pay for though! If you were to compare
>> a
>> >> Hyundai or a KIA to a Cadillac, you have different pricing structures.
>> >The
>> >> Cadillac has a simulated birds eye maple dash, the KIA has a cheap
gray
>> >dash.
>> >> Do you need a fancy dash?, I don't know but your definitely paying
for
>> it
>> >> in the price of the Cadillac! Do you need a computer with a fancy
>> >aluminum
>> >> alloy case?, I don't know but you are paying for it in the price of
the
>> >Mac!
>> >> Macs also cost more because they are not mass produced in the
>quantities
>> >> that PCs are. It's like saying Ferraris suck because they cost five
>times
>> >> more than Cadillacs.
>> >>
>> >> There is other tangible and intangible value in the price of a Mac,
>such
>> >> as your time, Macs just work! Almost no down time, there's not much
>> time
>> >> spent on trying to get things to work. What is your time worth? PC
>guys
>> >> here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
>> >conflicts,
>> >> dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches.
If
>> >> you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
>> >>
>> >> I think the Mac drivers are better, and they're built in. No need to
go
>> >searching
>> >> for the drivers. The iLife software rocks! Figure about $100.00 a
>> >program,
>> >> and then figure in that they actually work! There is no need for Anti
>> >Spyware
>> >> software, pop up blocking software. The need for anti virus software
>> is
>> >> minimal, on a PC it is absolutely necessary if you are going on the
>> >internet
>> >> and down loading anything. Viruses still get buy the software on a
PC,
>> >what
>> >> does time and lost data cost? On a mac you don't have to be a security
>> >administrator.
>> >> Macs are harder to hack.
>> >>
>> >> The united States Navy, Hues aircraft and Boeing did cost of operation
>> >studies
>> >> in the past. It was something like 6 IT guys per 100 PCs to maintain
>> and
>> >> administrate. It was 1 IT guy per 100 plus Macs to maintain and
>> >administrate.
>> >> Because of the lower labor costs, the over all costs for business
is
>> >lower
>> >> with macs.
>> >>
>> >> So Macs do cost more initially, but that cost is offset by the time
>saved
>> >> and the rest of the above mentioned. You get what you pay for!
>> >>
>> >> I think the MacBook is a reasonable deal for what you get.
>> >>
>> >> I'm not saying a Mac is perfect, it just looks that way next to a
>Windows
>> >> box!
>> >>
>> >> I like my PCs too, I just know my Macs are better!
>> >>
>> >> I say use what works for you.
>> >>
>> >> James
>> >>
>> >> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >OK, my turn...
>> >> >
>> >> >>FADE IN:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
>> >> >>PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (younger guy) facing camera,
>> >> >>standing side by side between two computer monitors.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>MAC
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Hi, I'm a Mac.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>PC
>> >> >>
>> >> >>And I'm a PC.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>MAC
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I used to be different than him, but now I'm being built
>> >> >>like a PC with Intel chips & everything.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>PC
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Ummm... but you're still going to cost like three times as
>> >> >>much as a PC?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>MAC
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Uhhh... Yeah! <winks at camera>
>> >> >
>> >> >FADE TO BLACK
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
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| Re: OT -- the new Mac ads- Here's the ad I'd rather see! [message #69441 is a reply to message #69437] |
Sat, 17 June 2006 13:00 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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Senior Member |
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With all due respect James, this is exactly what I'm talking about when I
refer to Mac as hosing the end user. the triple screen display is $4k and to
add two more monitors (which you will have to pay for) to an existing setup
is $2k . That's pretty tall cotton amigo. Add that to a 4k Mac and you've
broke the bank for a hardware configuration that will be obsolete in a year
(or sooner if Apple needs a new cash infusion.)
Digidesign anyone?
Regards,
Deej
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:449455df$1@linux...
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >Oh yeah...............there is a 4 head video card for the Mac? Link
please.
> >
> >Thanks again,
> >
> >Deej
>
> I think I'm 2 for 2. I believe I was wrong about 4 head cards being
available
> for the Mac. In the past at MacWorld I saw a company with a 4 head card,
> I think it may have been Tatung, I don't remember, I also saw a 4 head
card
> at a Matrox presentation for the RTMac. I've been under the impression
that
> Matrox had a 4 head card for the Mac, but after looking I seen nothing on
> their sight.
> I was also under the impression that Dual Link DVI cards could support 4
> monitors with Y cables, but I my be wrong on that one too.
>
> However, you can add multiple video cards to a Mac and extend the desk
top.
>
> Here is another option for the Mac, Zenview.
>
> http://digitaltigers.com/index.shtml?gclid=CMC6sbv5zYUCFRd4S AodLUdAow
>
> http://www.digitaltigers.com/sidecar-mac.shtml
>
>
>
> >
> >"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:44936c3c$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Well, yes and no. Would it be the same exact system for the same kind
> of
> >> money, no. Obviously your system is quite unique, so I think it is a
> >little
> >> unfair to ask if I could duplicate it exactly. I think you could have
> a
> >> similar setup with all Macs and I think it would work a lot more
problem
> >> free. Price never seems the be too much of an object, so here it is.
> >>
> >> Mac G4 1.25 GHz ( about equivalent to a P4 2.8 GHz) you could also
> >upgrade
> >> to 1.8GHz G4 for more power. The G4 has 4 PCI slots and 1 AGP slot.
> >>
> >> Add a dual monitor PCI card for four monitors expanded desk top. Or
you
> >> could add a four head AGP card and save a PCI slot.
> >>
> >> Add Magma for 13 PCI slots this would give you up to 15 PCI slots.
> >>
> >> You can install 2GB of memory in the G4 and 4 HDs, plus external FW
HDs.
> >> 16GB of memory in the G5. You also have Gigabit Ethernet on both
> >machines
> >> standard, that might come in handy. You also have FireWire as an
option
> >> for audio I/O, and DSPs. FW actually works on a Mac.
> >>
> >> SX machine G5 Quad 2.5GHz with 16 GB of RAM, FW 400 & FW 800, USB 2,
dual
> >> HDs, dual head video, if you needed more monitors you could add a 4
head
> >> AGP or add a dual PCI-E card.
> >>
> >> Add the Magma and add your cards.
> >>
> >> You can delete all the software you don't want. If your talking about
> >stripping
> >> out the system software, I wouldn't do it!, but there are people that
> can.
> >> You can simply turn off the extensions on the O/S 9 machine, or you
can
> >> throw the stuff away you don't want like the printer drivers or
language
> >> libraries, etc.
> >>
> >> I think it would work, and I think you would find in time, that it
would
> >> work trouble free for the most part. I think it would be rock solid
and
> >> run smooth. But I think your system works for you, so why change.
> >>
> >> James
> >>
> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >>PC guys
> >> >>here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
> >> >conflicts,
> >> >>dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches.
> If
> >> >>you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
> >> >
> >> >OK James. I would be really curious to know if you think you could set
> up
> >> >two Macs to work exactly like I've got my PC's working and tell me if
> >> >everything works perfectly first time. I would be really curious to
know.
> >> My
> >> >Paris PC cost me about $500.00. My Native PC cost me around $700.00
> >> >(neither price includes montors or audio hardware).
> >> >
> >> >You will need a Mac for Paris (which I assume you've already got) and
> it
> >> >will need to have at least a 2G CPU, I G of RAM and 4 x video heads..
> The
> >> >Native machine will need to be running Cubase SX and have a dual 2.5G
> >CPU,
> >> 4
> >> >G RAM, 4 x UAD-1 cards 3 x RME HDSP cards running in two separate
Magma
> >> >chassis' (unless you can somehow cram all of this into a mobo and 1
> >Magma)
> >> >and three video heads.
> >> >
> >> >I will admit it took a while to get this working properly on a PC,
> >(properly
> >> >meaning the *exact* way I had planned it to work) but it certainly did
> >not
> >> >put me out of business for one second or lose me any money because I
> had
> >> >total control of the OS and I could work around every glitch I
> >encountered
> >> >until I found the sweet spot. No downtime........none at
all........just
> >> >lots of options when I needed them while I configured the
> >> >system..........and yes, there is some configuration time involved to
> be
> >> >sure, but I'm the one doing the configuring rather than having an OS
> >handed
> >> >to me that has ten tons of crap bundled with it that I'll never use
and
> >> I'm
> >> >expected to take or leave. Can you strip this stuff out of Mac OS like
> >you
> >> >can with Windows? I'm curious.
> >> >
> >> >Regards,
> >> >
> >> >Deej
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:44934f4e$1@linux...
> >> >>
> >> >> I do believe Apple needs to come down on their pricing, and I've
said
> >> so
> >> >here
> >> >> in the past. You get what you pay for though! If you were to
compare
> >> a
> >> >> Hyundai or a KIA to a Cadillac, you have different pricing
structures.
> >> >The
> >> >> Cadillac has a simulated birds eye maple dash, the KIA has a cheap
> gray
> >> >dash.
> >> >> Do you need a fancy dash?, I don't know but your definitely paying
> for
> >> it
> >> >> in the price of the Cadillac! Do you need a computer with a fancy
> >> >aluminum
> >> >> alloy case?, I don't know but you are paying for it in the price of
> the
> >> >Mac!
> >> >> Macs also cost more because they are not mass produced in the
> >quantities
> >> >> that PCs are. It's like saying Ferraris suck because they cost five
> >times
> >> >> more than Cadillacs.
> >> >>
> >> >> There is other tangible and intangible value in the price of a Mac,
> >such
> >> >> as your time, Macs just work! Almost no down time, there's not
much
> >> time
> >> >> spent on trying to get things to work. What is your time worth? PC
> >guys
> >> >> here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
> >> >conflicts,
> >> >> dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches.
> If
> >> >> you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
> >> >>
> >> >> I think the Mac drivers are better, and they're built in. No need to
> go
> >> >searching
> >> >> for the drivers. The iLife software rocks! Figure about $100.00 a
> >> >program,
> >> >> and then figure in that they actually work! There is no need for
Anti
> >> >Spyware
> >> >> software, pop up blocking software. The need for anti virus
software
> >> is
> >> >> minimal, on a PC it is absolutely necessary if you are going on the
> >> >internet
> >> >> and down loading anything. Viruses still get buy the software on a
> PC,
> >> >what
> >> >> does time and lost data cost? On a mac you don't have to be a
security
> >> >administrator.
> >> >> Macs are harder to hack.
> >> >>
> >> >> The united States Navy, Hues aircraft and Boeing did cost of
operation
> >> >studies
> >> >> in the past. It was something like 6 IT guys per 100 PCs to
maintain
> >> and
> >> >> administrate. It was 1 IT guy per 100 plus Macs to maintain and
> >> >administrate.
> >> >> Because of the lower labor costs, the over all costs for business
> is
> >> >lower
> >> >> with macs.
> >> >>
> >> >> So Macs do cost more initially, but that cost is offset by the time
> >saved
> >> >> and the rest of the above mentioned. You get what you pay for!
> >> >>
> >> >> I think the MacBook is a reasonable deal for what you get.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm not saying a Mac is perfect, it just looks that way next to a
> >Windows
> >> >> box!
> >> >>
> >> >> I like my PCs too, I just know my Macs are better!
> >> >>
> >> >> I say use what works for you.
> >> >>
> >> >> James
> >> >>
> >> >> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >OK, my turn...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>FADE IN:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
> >> >> >>PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (younger guy) facing camera,
> >> >> >>standing side by side between two computer monitors.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>MAC
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Hi, I'm a Mac.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>PC
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>And I'm a PC.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>MAC
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>I used to be different than him, but now I'm being built
> >> >> >>like a PC with Intel chips & everything.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>PC
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Ummm... but you're still going to cost like three times as
> >> >> >>much as a PC?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>MAC
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Uhhh... Yeah! <winks at camera>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >FADE TO BLACK
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
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| Re: OT -- the new Mac ads- Here's the ad I'd rather see! [message #69442 is a reply to message #69441] |
Sat, 17 June 2006 13:50 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Senior Member |
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"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>With all due respect James, this is exactly what I'm talking about when
I
>refer to Mac as hosing the end user. the triple screen display is $4k and
to
>add two more monitors (which you will have to pay for) to an existing setup
>is $2k . That's pretty tall cotton amigo. Add that to a 4k Mac and you've
>broke the bank for a hardware configuration that will be obsolete in a year
>(or sooner if Apple needs a new cash infusion.)
>
>Digidesign anyone?
>
>Regards,
>
>Deej
>
Or you could add another dual PCI card for about $100.00 and have 4 monitors,
I believe.
It's not Apple's fault that third party manufactures don't make 4 head cards
for their products. I do think the G5s are steep! I would, and I will wait
to see what apple does. I wouldn't buy an Intel Mac unless it was a 64bit
processor. Vista will only run on 64bit according to MS!
I know that $3300.00 for a G5 is high, but compare it to the top of the line
Dell, it's something like 15K the last time I looked. 3 K for a Mac is not
much more than you would pay for a good reverb, mic pre or A/D-D/A. The
price to me is worth it when you consider the hassle factor of maintaining
a PC. You like doing that so that's Ok for you. I know a Mac cost more,
however the other values I've mentioned before make up for a lot of that.
I use both, and the Mac is a lot more problem free.
If you are considering an IntelMac, I would highly recommend waiting for
the second generation to come out before buying.
James
>
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:449455df$1@linux...
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >Oh yeah...............there is a 4 head video card for the Mac? Link
>please.
>> >
>> >Thanks again,
>> >
>> >Deej
>>
>> I think I'm 2 for 2. I believe I was wrong about 4 head cards being
>available
>> for the Mac. In the past at MacWorld I saw a company with a 4 head card,
>> I think it may have been Tatung, I don't remember, I also saw a 4 head
>card
>> at a Matrox presentation for the RTMac. I've been under the impression
>that
>> Matrox had a 4 head card for the Mac, but after looking I seen nothing
on
>> their sight.
>> I was also under the impression that Dual Link DVI cards could support
4
>> monitors with Y cables, but I my be wrong on that one too.
>>
>> However, you can add multiple video cards to a Mac and extend the desk
>top.
>>
>> Here is another option for the Mac, Zenview.
>>
>> http://digitaltigers.com/index.shtml?gclid=CMC6sbv5zYUCFRd4S AodLUdAow
>>
>> http://www.digitaltigers.com/sidecar-mac.shtml
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:44936c3c$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> Well, yes and no. Would it be the same exact system for the same kind
>> of
>> >> money, no. Obviously your system is quite unique, so I think it is
a
>> >little
>> >> unfair to ask if I could duplicate it exactly. I think you could have
>> a
>> >> similar setup with all Macs and I think it would work a lot more
>problem
>> >> free. Price never seems the be too much of an object, so here it is.
>> >>
>> >> Mac G4 1.25 GHz ( about equivalent to a P4 2.8 GHz) you could also
>> >upgrade
>> >> to 1.8GHz G4 for more power. The G4 has 4 PCI slots and 1 AGP slot.
>> >>
>> >> Add a dual monitor PCI card for four monitors expanded desk top. Or
>you
>> >> could add a four head AGP card and save a PCI slot.
>> >>
>> >> Add Magma for 13 PCI slots this would give you up to 15 PCI slots.
>> >>
>> >> You can install 2GB of memory in the G4 and 4 HDs, plus external FW
>HDs.
>> >> 16GB of memory in the G5. You also have Gigabit Ethernet on both
>> >machines
>> >> standard, that might come in handy. You also have FireWire as an
>option
>> >> for audio I/O, and DSPs. FW actually works on a Mac.
>> >>
>> >> SX machine G5 Quad 2.5GHz with 16 GB of RAM, FW 400 & FW 800, USB 2,
>dual
>> >> HDs, dual head video, if you needed more monitors you could add a 4
>head
>> >> AGP or add a dual PCI-E card.
>> >>
>> >> Add the Magma and add your cards.
>> >>
>> >> You can delete all the software you don't want. If your talking about
>> >stripping
>> >> out the system software, I wouldn't do it!, but there are people that
>> can.
>> >> You can simply turn off the extensions on the O/S 9 machine, or you
>can
>> >> throw the stuff away you don't want like the printer drivers or
>language
>> >> libraries, etc.
>> >>
>> >> I think it would work, and I think you would find in time, that it
>would
>> >> work trouble free for the most part. I think it would be rock solid
>and
>> >> run smooth. But I think your system works for you, so why change.
>> >>
>> >> James
>> >>
>> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >>PC guys
>> >> >>here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
>> >> >conflicts,
>> >> >>dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches.
>> If
>> >> >>you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
>> >> >
>> >> >OK James. I would be really curious to know if you think you could
set
>> up
>> >> >two Macs to work exactly like I've got my PC's working and tell me
if
>> >> >everything works perfectly first time. I would be really curious to
>know.
>> >> My
>> >> >Paris PC cost me about $500.00. My Native PC cost me around $700.00
>> >> >(neither price includes montors or audio hardware).
>> >> >
>> >> >You will need a Mac for Paris (which I assume you've already got)
and
>> it
>> >> >will need to have at least a 2G CPU, I G of RAM and 4 x video heads..
>> The
>> >> >Native machine will need to be running Cubase SX and have a dual 2.5G
>> >CPU,
>> >> 4
>> >> >G RAM, 4 x UAD-1 cards 3 x RME HDSP cards running in two separate
>Magma
>> >> >chassis' (unless you can somehow cram all of this into a mobo and
1
>> >Magma)
>> >> >and three video heads.
>> >> >
>> >> >I will admit it took a while to get this working properly on a PC,
>> >(properly
>> >> >meaning the *exact* way I had planned it to work) but it certainly
did
>> >not
>> >> >put me out of business for one second or lose me any money because
I
>> had
>> >> >total control of the OS and I could work around every glitch I
>> >encountered
>> >> >until I found the sweet spot. No downtime........none at
>all........just
>> >> >lots of options when I needed them while I configured the
>> >> >system..........and yes, there is some configuration time involved
to
>> be
>> >> >sure, but I'm the one doing the configuring rather than having an
OS
>> >handed
>> >> >to me that has ten tons of crap bundled with it that I'll never use
>and
>> >> I'm
>> >> >expected to take or leave. Can you strip this stuff out of Mac OS
like
>> >you
>> >> >can with Windows? I'm curious.
>> >> >
>> >> >Regards,
>> >> >
>> >> >Deej
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:44934f4e$1@linux...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I do believe Apple needs to come down on their pricing, and I've
>said
>> >> so
>> >> >here
>> >> >> in the past. You get what you pay for though! If you were to
>compare
>> >> a
>> >> >> Hyundai or a KIA to a Cadillac, you have different pricing
>structures.
>> >> >The
>> >> >> Cadillac has a simulated birds eye maple dash, the KIA has a cheap
>> gray
>> >> >dash.
>> >> >> Do you need a fancy dash?, I don't know but your definitely paying
>> for
>> >> it
>> >> >> in the price of the Cadillac! Do you need a computer with a fancy
>> >> >aluminum
>> >> >> alloy case?, I don't know but you are paying for it in the price
of
>> the
>> >> >Mac!
>> >> >> Macs also cost more because they are not mass produced in the
>> >quantities
>> >> >> that PCs are. It's like saying Ferraris suck because they cost
five
>> >times
>> >> >> more than Cadillacs.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> There is other tangible and intangible value in the price of a Mac,
>> >such
>> >> >> as your time, Macs just work! Almost no down time, there's not
>much
>> >> time
>> >> >> spent on trying to get things to work. What is your time worth?
PC
>> >guys
>> >> >> here are constantly fussing with their PCs, IRQ conflicts, hardware
>> >> >conflicts,
>> >> >> dll file issues, driver issues, malicious code and other headaches.
>> If
>> >> >> you want to fuss, cool, but time is money.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I think the Mac drivers are better, and they're built in. No need
to
>> go
>> >> >searching
>> >> >> for the drivers. The iLife software rocks! Figure about $100.00
a
>> >> >program,
>> >> >> and then figure in that they actually work! There is no need for
>Anti
>> >> >Spyware
>> >> >> software, pop up blocking software. The need for anti virus
>software
>> >> is
>> >> >> minimal, on a PC it is absolutely necessary if you are going on
the
>> >> >internet
>> >> >> and down loading anything. Viruses still get buy the software on
a
>> PC,
>> >> >what
>> >> >> does time and lost data cost? On a mac you don't have to be a
>security
>> >> >administrator.
>> >> >> Macs are harder to hack.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The united States Navy, Hues aircraft and Boeing did cost of
>operation
>> >> >studies
>> >> >> in the past. It was something like 6 IT guys per 100 PCs to
>maintain
>> >> and
>> >> >> administrate. It was 1 IT guy per 100 plus Macs to maintain and
>> >> >administrate.
>> >> >> Because of the lower labor costs, the over all costs for business
>> is
>> >> >lower
>> >> >> with macs.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So Macs do cost more initially, but that cost is offset by the time
>> >saved
>> >> >> and the rest of the above mentioned. You get what you pay for!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I think the MacBook is a reasonable deal for what you get.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'm not saying a Mac is perfect, it just looks that way next to
a
>> >Windows
>> >> >> box!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I like my PCs too, I just know my Macs are better!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I say use what works for you.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> James
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >OK, my turn...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>FADE IN:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>interior, bright, spacious room, background non-descript
>> >> >> >>PC (nerdy older guy) and MAC (younger guy) facing camera,
>> >> >> >>standing side by side between two computer monitors.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>MAC
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Hi, I'm a Mac.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>PC
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>And I'm a PC.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>MAC
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>I used to be different than him, but now I'm being built
>> >> >> >>like a PC with Intel chips & everything.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>PC
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Ummm... but you're still going to cost like three times as
>> >> >> >>much as a PC?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>MAC
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Uhhh... Yeah! <winks at camera>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >FADE TO BLACK
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
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