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| OK maybe I'm just having a sook... [message #85406] |
Sun, 27 May 2007 01:23  |
Kim
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Perhaps I'm just a big cry baby. ;o)
Maybe the problem in fact is that I'm simply not that good at music, comparatively,
and I'm just one in the long line of artists and/or people in general who
would love to make a living from their hobby but cannot. Perhaps I'm just
miffed at the world because people have to do things which they don't like
doing in order to make a living and make life liveable...
Maybe I'm just a self centred dreamer who thinks that we should all just
be able to do what we feel like and not have to work so hard or worry so
much. Perhaps I'm unrealistic and/or stupid. Perhaps my expectations were
set too high because people used to make such a big deal of my musical talents
from so young (and still do often) and hence I somehow just assumed it would
all just somehow happen. Perhaps...
Maybe I'm just miffed because I'm broken hearted and writing depressing love
songs which I personally find touching but which really don't mean much to
anybody but me, but I'm blaming a failed music career for my unhappiness
when it's really about a girl...
Maybe I should just calm down and shut up. ;o)
I dunno...
Cheers,
Kim.
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| Re: OK maybe I'm just having a sook... [message #85410 is a reply to message #85408] |
Sun, 27 May 2007 01:42  |
Kim
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;o)
Cheers.
At least I have a fireplace, a laptop, a pot of chai tea, and some people
to complain to. ;o)
Cheers,
Kim.
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>Dude, we've all been there! And some of us keep going back! Keep writing,
>that's how the best stuff comes out. It's in those moments. We can all
>relate.
>
>: )
>James
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>
>>Perhaps I'm just a big cry baby. ;o)
>>
>>Maybe the problem in fact is that I'm simply not that good at music, comparatively,
>>and I'm just one in the long line of artists and/or people in general who
>>would love to make a living from their hobby but cannot. Perhaps I'm just
>>miffed at the world because people have to do things which they don't like
>>doing in order to make a living and make life liveable...
>>
>>Maybe I'm just a self centred dreamer who thinks that we should all just
>>be able to do what we feel like and not have to work so hard or worry so
>>much. Perhaps I'm unrealistic and/or stupid. Perhaps my expectations were
>>set too high because people used to make such a big deal of my musical
talents
>>from so young (and still do often) and hence I somehow just assumed it
would
>>all just somehow happen. Perhaps...
>>
>>Maybe I'm just miffed because I'm broken hearted and writing depressing
>love
>>songs which I personally find touching but which really don't mean much
>to
>>anybody but me, but I'm blaming a failed music career for my unhappiness
>>when it's really about a girl...
>>
>>Maybe I should just calm down and shut up. ;o)
>>
>>I dunno...
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
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| Re: OK maybe I'm just having a sook... [message #85411 is a reply to message #85410] |
Sun, 27 May 2007 01:45 |
JeffH
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Kim,
Going through a similar thing right now. Have a friend who's "helping"
me with a couple of songs that I thought were pretty good. In fact most
people who have heard them thought they were REALLY good. Right now I'm
trying to suck it up and take the suggestions because he's probably
right but
....You're messin with the music man...
Put another log on the fire and keep it going.
Jeff
> ;o)
>
> Cheers.
>
> At least I have a fireplace, a laptop, a pot of chai tea, and some people
> to complain to. ;o)
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>Dude, we've all been there! And some of us keep going back! Keep writing,
>>that's how the best stuff comes out. It's in those moments. We can all
>>relate.
>>
>>: )
>>James
>>
>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>>
>>>Perhaps I'm just a big cry baby. ;o)
>>>
>>>Maybe the problem in fact is that I'm simply not that good at music, comparatively,
>>>and I'm just one in the long line of artists and/or people in general who
>>>would love to make a living from their hobby but cannot. Perhaps I'm just
>>>miffed at the world because people have to do things which they don't like
>>>doing in order to make a living and make life liveable...
>>>
>>>Maybe I'm just a self centred dreamer who thinks that we should all just
>>>be able to do what we feel like and not have to work so hard or worry so
>>>much. Perhaps I'm unrealistic and/or stupid. Perhaps my expectations were
>>>set too high because people used to make such a big deal of my musical
>
> talents
>
>>>from so young (and still do often) and hence I somehow just assumed it
>
> would
>
>>>all just somehow happen. Perhaps...
>>>
>>>Maybe I'm just miffed because I'm broken hearted and writing depressing
>>
>>love
>>
>>>songs which I personally find touching but which really don't mean much
>>
>>to
>>
>>>anybody but me, but I'm blaming a failed music career for my unhappiness
>>>when it's really about a girl...
>>>
>>>Maybe I should just calm down and shut up. ;o)
>>>
>>>I dunno...
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Kim.
>>
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| Re: OK maybe I'm just having a sook... [message #85412 is a reply to message #85411] |
Sun, 27 May 2007 02:05 |
Kim
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Jeff,
I'm sorry to hear it, though it does make me feel better.
The thing is sometimes I hear things and go "This change that's being made
is stupid" and I KNOW I'm right. I've been in bands, for example, and written
a melody, and the singer will of course have to replace it with some two
note drone with an interest factor of 2 out of 10, and you walk away and
the whole rest of the band is going "Your melody was better". The whole thing
just sucks.
I'll be the first to admit that I spent my late teens are early twenties
wanting to drive my musical bus like a nazi. I wanted all the money, all
the control, all the praise, and other people could be involved only if they
did exactly as I told them. Often this wasn't a problem as I tended to be
in bands where everybody was happy to do that, but still...
Now however if people want to sing... whatever... I don't mind so much.
I'm over it. I've accepted I'm not the world's best singer or guitarist.
I have a fair idea I think of where I am strong and where I am weak musically,
but finding people who are happy to fill those gaps is also a big struggle,
especially if the criteria is also that they need to understand themselves
which areas they are and are not good at. Perhaps I'm lucky because one of
the areas I am good at is "the overview" so I have a fair idea usually when
somebody (often me ;o) sucks at something. ;o)
If everybody would just do their homework, learn their craft, and then focus
on their strong areas and not infringe other people's space...
....oh, I'm dreaming again aren't I. ;o)
Perhaps I should burn these pictures of this girl... ;o)
Cheers,
Kim.
Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>Kim,
>
>Going through a similar thing right now. Have a friend who's "helping"
>me with a couple of songs that I thought were pretty good. In fact most
>people who have heard them thought they were REALLY good. Right now I'm
>trying to suck it up and take the suggestions because he's probably
>right but
>
>...You're messin with the music man...
>
>
>Put another log on the fire and keep it going.
>
>Jeff
>> ;o)
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> At least I have a fireplace, a laptop, a pot of chai tea, and some people
>> to complain to. ;o)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Dude, we've all been there! And some of us keep going back! Keep writing,
>>>that's how the best stuff comes out. It's in those moments. We can all
>>>relate.
>>>
>>>: )
>>>James
>>>
>>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Perhaps I'm just a big cry baby. ;o)
>>>>
>>>>Maybe the problem in fact is that I'm simply not that good at music,
comparatively,
>>>>and I'm just one in the long line of artists and/or people in general
who
>>>>would love to make a living from their hobby but cannot. Perhaps I'm
just
>>>>miffed at the world because people have to do things which they don't
like
>>>>doing in order to make a living and make life liveable...
>>>>
>>>>Maybe I'm just a self centred dreamer who thinks that we should all just
>>>>be able to do what we feel like and not have to work so hard or worry
so
>>>>much. Perhaps I'm unrealistic and/or stupid. Perhaps my expectations
were
>>>>set too high because people used to make such a big deal of my musical
>>
>> talents
>>
>>>>from so young (and still do often) and hence I somehow just assumed it
>>
>> would
>>
>>>>all just somehow happen. Perhaps...
>>>>
>>>>Maybe I'm just miffed because I'm broken hearted and writing depressing
>>>
>>>love
>>>
>>>>songs which I personally find touching but which really don't mean much
>>>
>>>to
>>>
>>>>anybody but me, but I'm blaming a failed music career for my unhappiness
>>>>when it's really about a girl...
>>>>
>>>>Maybe I should just calm down and shut up. ;o)
>>>>
>>>>I dunno...
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>Kim.
>>>
>>
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| Re: OK maybe I'm just having a sook... [message #85416 is a reply to message #85406] |
Sun, 27 May 2007 03:10 |
neil[1]
Messages: 164
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You have no failed music carrer - it's just a different one
than what you thought it would be... so in order to further
your career, I have three pieces of advice for you:
1.) Keep writing & playing that kind of stuff which you love
the most, for your own personal gratification.
2.) Charge people in order to be of assistance to their own
efforts (whether it be in the engineering, producing, or
arranging realms), and in that manner you have a musically-
related income stream of some level; this of course varies from
one area or market to another.
3.) Pick one or two projects a year that you want to do or
free, just to help them out, because you like their stuff...
whether it be a band that you're tracking & mixing in a most
kick-ass manner or a solo artist that you're composing &
arranging a couple of songs for... that way you get the
altrusitic warm & fuzzies, and get to stay creative on someone
else's behalf without regard to monetary issues.
4.) Find a different girl. (OK, that was four... I only promised
three, so that one's a bonus) :)
#1 gives you emotional & spiritual fulfillment, #2 gets you
some material gains & third-party validation for your skills,
and #3 gets you the feel-good/charitable vibes & good karma.
(and #4 gets you layed).
If that isn't a full life, I don't know what is.
:D
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>Perhaps I'm just a big cry baby. ;o)
>
>Maybe the problem in fact is that I'm simply not that good at music, comparatively,
>and I'm just one in the long line of artists and/or people in general who
>would love to make a living from their hobby but cannot. Perhaps I'm just
>miffed at the world because people have to do things which they don't like
>doing in order to make a living and make life liveable...
>
>Maybe I'm just a self centred dreamer who thinks that we should all just
>be able to do what we feel like and not have to work so hard or worry so
>much. Perhaps I'm unrealistic and/or stupid. Perhaps my expectations were
>set too high because people used to make such a big deal of my musical talents
>from so young (and still do often) and hence I somehow just assumed it would
>all just somehow happen. Perhaps...
>
>Maybe I'm just miffed because I'm broken hearted and writing depressing
love
>songs which I personally find touching but which really don't mean much
to
>anybody but me, but I'm blaming a failed music career for my unhappiness
>when it's really about a girl...
>
>Maybe I should just calm down and shut up. ;o)
>
>I dunno...
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
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| Re: OK maybe I'm just having a sook... [message #85418 is a reply to message #85416] |
Sun, 27 May 2007 03:35 |
Kim
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I see your point...
I am sure I'll keep writing stuff. What I probably SHOULD do is at least
send some to RRR and/or PBS our independent community stations. That might
at least get me some airplay...
I'm only half in a position to charge people at the moment. Perhaps I could
get into making backing tracks for 1 & 2 peice cover bands or something,
but I'm not placed to record much more than solo or 2 piece acts. I have
no drum room yada yada as the studio is small. I didn't really enjoy the
process of recording random acts anyhow, so in a sense I'm relieved about
that. It's good experience though, and at least if you get a bad act you
can walk away thinking "Well, I feel better about my own music now". ;o)
I do try and keep involved with the odd project I enjoy, but to be honest
I'm stupidly fussy. ;o) Fortunately some of my closest musical friends are
looking at buying Paris systems at the moment due to the cheap prices and
the fact that you can get a lot of inputs for little money. None of them
use MIDI anyhow, so Paris is kinda good enough for what they need for home
studios. If that all happens I'll have an excellent drummer, guitarist, and
vocalist on tap with whom I can interchange tracks to get parts laid down.
That may spur me along a little.
As for the girl, I suppose if I said ..."but she was like a dream come true..."
oh never mind. ;o) I think I need to put some more effort in to improving
my women skills, but that is, as I keep saying, another story. ;o)
Thanks for the advice, and especially the laugh. I needed a laugh. ;o)
Cheers,
Kim.
"Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>You have no failed music carrer - it's just a different one
>than what you thought it would be... so in order to further
>your career, I have three pieces of advice for you:
>
>1.) Keep writing & playing that kind of stuff which you love
>the most, for your own personal gratification.
>
>2.) Charge people in order to be of assistance to their own
>efforts (whether it be in the engineering, producing, or
>arranging realms), and in that manner you have a musically-
>related income stream of some level; this of course varies from
>one area or market to another.
>
>3.) Pick one or two projects a year that you want to do or
>free, just to help them out, because you like their stuff...
>whether it be a band that you're tracking & mixing in a most
>kick-ass manner or a solo artist that you're composing &
>arranging a couple of songs for... that way you get the
>altrusitic warm & fuzzies, and get to stay creative on someone
>else's behalf without regard to monetary issues.
>
>4.) Find a different girl. (OK, that was four... I only promised
>three, so that one's a bonus) :)
>
>
>#1 gives you emotional & spiritual fulfillment, #2 gets you
>some material gains & third-party validation for your skills,
>and #3 gets you the feel-good/charitable vibes & good karma.
>(and #4 gets you layed).
>
>If that isn't a full life, I don't know what is.
>
>:D
>
>
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>Perhaps I'm just a big cry baby. ;o)
>>
>>Maybe the problem in fact is that I'm simply not that good at music, comparatively,
>>and I'm just one in the long line of artists and/or people in general who
>>would love to make a living from their hobby but cannot. Perhaps I'm just
>>miffed at the world because people have to do things which they don't like
>>doing in order to make a living and make life liveable...
>>
>>Maybe I'm just a self centred dreamer who thinks that we should all just
>>be able to do what we feel like and not have to work so hard or worry so
>>much. Perhaps I'm unrealistic and/or stupid. Perhaps my expectations were
>>set too high because people used to make such a big deal of my musical
talents
>>from so young (and still do often) and hence I somehow just assumed it
would
>>all just somehow happen. Perhaps...
>>
>>Maybe I'm just miffed because I'm broken hearted and writing depressing
>love
>>songs which I personally find touching but which really don't mean much
>to
>>anybody but me, but I'm blaming a failed music career for my unhappiness
>>when it's really about a girl...
>>
>>Maybe I should just calm down and shut up. ;o)
>>
>>I dunno...
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
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| Re: OK maybe I'm just having a sook... [message #85421 is a reply to message #85411] |
Sun, 27 May 2007 04:43 |
John
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I find it much easier to be delusional like me and just KNOW you're a
rock star and NO one else gets it !!!
hehe, chin up
John
Jeff Hoover wrote:
> Kim,
>
> Going through a similar thing right now. Have a friend who's "helping"
> me with a couple of songs that I thought were pretty good. In fact most
> people who have heard them thought they were REALLY good. Right now I'm
> trying to suck it up and take the suggestions because he's probably
> right but
>
> ...You're messin with the music man...
>
>
> Put another log on the fire and keep it going.
>
> Jeff
>> ;o)
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> At least I have a fireplace, a laptop, a pot of chai tea, and some people
>> to complain to. ;o)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dude, we've all been there! And some of us keep going back! Keep
>>> writing,
>>> that's how the best stuff comes out. It's in those moments. We can all
>>> relate.
>>>
>>> : )
>>> James
>>>
>>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps I'm just a big cry baby. ;o)
>>>>
>>>> Maybe the problem in fact is that I'm simply not that good at music,
>>>> comparatively,
>>>> and I'm just one in the long line of artists and/or people in
>>>> general who
>>>> would love to make a living from their hobby but cannot. Perhaps I'm
>>>> just
>>>> miffed at the world because people have to do things which they
>>>> don't like
>>>> doing in order to make a living and make life liveable...
>>>>
>>>> Maybe I'm just a self centred dreamer who thinks that we should all
>>>> just
>>>> be able to do what we feel like and not have to work so hard or
>>>> worry so
>>>> much. Perhaps I'm unrealistic and/or stupid. Perhaps my expectations
>>>> were
>>>> set too high because people used to make such a big deal of my musical
>>
>> talents
>>
>>>> from so young (and still do often) and hence I somehow just assumed it
>>
>> would
>>
>>>> all just somehow happen. Perhaps...
>>>>
>>>> Maybe I'm just miffed because I'm broken hearted and writing depressing
>>>
>>> love
>>>
>>>> songs which I personally find touching but which really don't mean much
>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>> anybody but me, but I'm blaming a failed music career for my
>>>> unhappiness
>>>> when it's really about a girl...
>>>>
>>>> Maybe I should just calm down and shut up. ;o)
>>>>
>>>> I dunno...
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Kim.
>>>
>>
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| Re: OK maybe I'm just having a sook... [message #85422 is a reply to message #85406] |
Sun, 27 May 2007 06:38 |
Sarah
Messages: 608
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Ah, women . . . can't trust 'em any further than you can throw 'em. :)
Hey, how do we know if you're any good or not? Where are the songs?
As far as making a living from your hobby, I can tell you this: as soon as
I stopped trying to make money with my music, I started making much better
music and much more of it, probably because I was doing it for me instead of
chasing the lastest music fashions around. There are millions of people out
there competing for attention for their music, and lots of them are pretty
talented. Unfortunately, very few of them will "make it big" no matter how
good they are. It matters more how cute you are and how well you conform to
current trends.
That may sound cynical, but I feel nothing but liberated since I decided to
ignore trends and make music based on what I want to hear. Interestingly,
when I did that, my friends liked the music better, too.
Listen to your heart and your gut and make music that expresses the essence
of you.
If that doesn't work, you can always get some evil clown costumes and start
a KISS tribute band.
Hugs,
Sarah
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:46593ff9$1@linux...
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> Perhaps I'm just a big cry baby. ;o)
>
> Maybe the problem in fact is that I'm simply not that good at music,
> comparatively,
> and I'm just one in the long line of artists and/or people in general who
> would love to make a living from their hobby but cannot. Perhaps I'm just
> miffed at the world because people have to do things which they don't like
> doing in order to make a living and make life liveable...
>
> Maybe I'm just a self centred dreamer who thinks that we should all just
> be able to do what we feel like and not have to work so hard or worry so
> much. Perhaps I'm unrealistic and/or stupid. Perhaps my expectations were
> set too high because people used to make such a big deal of my musical
> talents
> from so young (and still do often) and hence I somehow just assumed it
> would
> all just somehow happen. Perhaps...
>
> Maybe I'm just miffed because I'm broken hearted and writing depressing
> love
> songs which I personally find touching but which really don't mean much to
> anybody but me, but I'm blaming a failed music career for my unhappiness
> when it's really about a girl...
>
> Maybe I should just calm down and shut up. ;o)
>
> I dunno...
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
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| Re: OK maybe I'm just having a sook... [message #85426 is a reply to message #85410] |
Sun, 27 May 2007 08:55 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
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I too share your frustration. I've been working on a project for a number
of years, but there doesn't seem to be much industry interest in tunes like
"When your Melisma meets my Miasma", "Turgidity and Relief" and my personal
favorite, "What's White and Sticky".
Chuck
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>
>;o)
>
>Cheers.
>
>At least I have a fireplace, a laptop, a pot of chai tea, and some people
>to complain to. ;o)
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Dude, we've all been there! And some of us keep going back! Keep writing,
>>that's how the best stuff comes out. It's in those moments. We can all
>>relate.
>>
>>: )
>>James
>>
>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Perhaps I'm just a big cry baby. ;o)
>>>
>>>Maybe the problem in fact is that I'm simply not that good at music, comparatively,
>>>and I'm just one in the long line of artists and/or people in general
who
>>>would love to make a living from their hobby but cannot. Perhaps I'm just
>>>miffed at the world because people have to do things which they don't
like
>>>doing in order to make a living and make life liveable...
>>>
>>>Maybe I'm just a self centred dreamer who thinks that we should all just
>>>be able to do what we feel like and not have to work so hard or worry
so
>>>much. Perhaps I'm unrealistic and/or stupid. Perhaps my expectations were
>>>set too high because people used to make such a big deal of my musical
>talents
>>>from so young (and still do often) and hence I somehow just assumed it
>would
>>>all just somehow happen. Perhaps...
>>>
>>>Maybe I'm just miffed because I'm broken hearted and writing depressing
>>love
>>>songs which I personally find touching but which really don't mean much
>>to
>>>anybody but me, but I'm blaming a failed music career for my unhappiness
>>>when it's really about a girl...
>>>
>>>Maybe I should just calm down and shut up. ;o)
>>>
>>>I dunno...
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Kim.
>>
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| Re: OK maybe I'm just having a sook... [message #85428 is a reply to message #85406] |
Sun, 27 May 2007 09:06 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
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Kim,
From your previous post to me on the "Taxi" thread, I gather that you are a
bit of an introvert. I'm of an introverted nature too until I get to know
people.
Find a group of people to start working with. Take it slowly and get to know
them. Then just keep plugging away at your songwriting and compositions or
whatever else. It's good that you can write "for an artist or genre". That's
a considerable talent and one I noticed in some of your material that I have
heard. ....and the best piece of advice aws far as love and life goes is to
do what you do for the sake of doing it without haviing expectations of
others. It's hard to do, but when I practice this, I end up being much
happier and more creative.......and things that I would never dream could
happen in a million years (good things, mind you) start falling in my lap. I
find that when I try too hard to make things happen, they never do. when I
just put it out there without expectations, things happen...just not
necessarily what "I" had in mind.....which is often a good thing ;oD
Writing from the heart is what writers do. Don't be afraid to feel and don't
be afraid to write about how you feel. It's OK. You might never use it, or
it might be the next "One For The Road" for the next Frank Sinatra.
I have a 6" x 8"of the link below framed and sitting on the meter bridge of
my studio, just to keep things in perspective:
http://despair.com/insanity.html
I need to be reminded of this on a dialy basis or I will take the actions
of myself and others wayyyyy too seriously.
;o)
Hang in there
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:46593ff9$1@linux...
>
>
> Perhaps I'm just a big cry baby. ;o)
>
> Maybe the problem in fact is that I'm simply not that good at music,
> comparatively,
> and I'm just one in the long line of artists and/or people in general who
> would love to make a living from their hobby but cannot. Perhaps I'm just
> miffed at the world because people have to do things which they don't like
> doing in order to make a living and make life liveable...
>
> Maybe I'm just a self centred dreamer who thinks that we should all just
> be able to do what we feel like and not have to work so hard or worry so
> much. Perhaps I'm unrealistic and/or stupid. Perhaps my expectations were
> set too high because people used to make such a big deal of my musical
> talents
> from so young (and still do often) and hence I somehow just assumed it
> would
> all just somehow happen. Perhaps...
>
> Maybe I'm just miffed because I'm broken hearted and writing depressing
> love
> songs which I personally find touching but which really don't mean much to
> anybody but me, but I'm blaming a failed music career for my unhappiness
> when it's really about a girl...
>
> Maybe I should just calm down and shut up. ;o)
>
> I dunno...
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
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| Re: OK maybe I'm just having a sook... [message #85431 is a reply to message #85416] |
Sun, 27 May 2007 10:04 |
Paul Artola
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Neil -
You forgot the 5th of your three pieces of advice:
5.) Marry rich!
- Paul Artola
Ellicott City, Maryland
On 27 May 2007 20:10:58 +1000, "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>You have no failed music carrer - it's just a different one
>than what you thought it would be... so in order to further
>your career, I have three pieces of advice for you:
>
>1.) Keep writing & playing that kind of stuff which you love
>the most, for your own personal gratification.
>
>2.) Charge people in order to be of assistance to their own
>efforts (whether it be in the engineering, producing, or
>arranging realms), and in that manner you have a musically-
>related income stream of some level; this of course varies from
>one area or market to another.
>
>3.) Pick one or two projects a year that you want to do or
>free, just to help them out, because you like their stuff...
>whether it be a band that you're tracking & mixing in a most
>kick-ass manner or a solo artist that you're composing &
>arranging a couple of songs for... that way you get the
>altrusitic warm & fuzzies, and get to stay creative on someone
>else's behalf without regard to monetary issues.
>
>4.) Find a different girl. (OK, that was four... I only promised
>three, so that one's a bonus) :)
>
>
>#1 gives you emotional & spiritual fulfillment, #2 gets you
>some material gains & third-party validation for your skills,
>and #3 gets you the feel-good/charitable vibes & good karma.
>(and #4 gets you layed).
>
>If that isn't a full life, I don't know what is.
>
>:D
>
>
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Perhaps I'm just a big cry baby. ;o)
>>
>>Maybe the problem in fact is that I'm simply not that good at music, comparatively,
>>and I'm just one in the long line of artists and/or people in general who
>>would love to make a living from their hobby but cannot. Perhaps I'm just
>>miffed at the world because people have to do things which they don't like
>>doing in order to make a living and make life liveable...
>>
>>Maybe I'm just a self centred dreamer who thinks that we should all just
>>be able to do what we feel like and not have to work so hard or worry so
>>much. Perhaps I'm unrealistic and/or stupid. Perhaps my expectations were
>>set too high because people used to make such a big deal of my musical talents
>>from so young (and still do often) and hence I somehow just assumed it would
>>all just somehow happen. Perhaps...
>>
>>Maybe I'm just miffed because I'm broken hearted and writing depressing
>love
>>songs which I personally find touching but which really don't mean much
>to
>>anybody but me, but I'm blaming a failed music career for my unhappiness
>>when it's really about a girl...
>>
>>Maybe I should just calm down and shut up. ;o)
>>
>>I dunno...
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
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| Re: OK maybe I'm just having a sook... [message #85432 is a reply to message #85428] |
Sun, 27 May 2007 11:13 |
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Couple more things...
Even sad songs are written by optimists...
The act of creating is an inherently hopeful one. Sad songs are theater,
NOT an expression of reality. Depression makes us write sh*t that no one
else will ever care about.
Wrote a song years ago called "Iron Rose" about a girl who was very
destructive of her life (and mine). I *thought* it was heavy, angry. and
evil sounding, but it never felt right, so one day I asked the punker kid
drummer I was working with; "what do you think this song is about"?
Ummmm, well, it sounds like it is you crying 'cuz some girl kicked
yer guts out"....
I was stunned... He was right.
F*ck this sh*t! said I. And I started to think about why I first started
writing, and that brought me back to remembering how excited I once was
about living... Of how physical and strong I once was, both in body
and spiritually. I remembered finishing a karate kata with a huge yell
that shook the building while sweat ran down my nose. I remembered
deadlifting the motor to my BMW, 3 steps at a time, out to the car from
my kitchen, hooking it up to the lift and three hours later driving the car
home for Christmas... I remembered the girl with the strawberry blonde
hair who wanted me so bad, her face was flushing red... Jeez she was
beautiful... And here I was whining about my life.
And I played the riff to that song again, forgetting all my troubles,
and simply asked, "what is this music about, what does it sound like"?
And the answer was clear. It sounded like drag racing. It sounded
like top fuel drag racing... So that is what I wrote about.
It's probably my best tune, and everyone that hears it loves it.
Now I live in a house full of women. Big ones, little ones, a wife, and
2
daughters. And I know one thing:
LOVE IS NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART
So, remember the VH song?
--Right now, she is getting on with her life--
ouch!
Yeah, now it is your turn...
Why did you start doing music??
And even if you write sad songs (that mean so much..) you will be
smiling while you do so.
DC
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| Re: OK maybe I'm just having a sook... [message #85435 is a reply to message #85422] |
Sun, 27 May 2007 13:39 |
Kim
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"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>Ah, women . . . can't trust 'em any further than you can throw 'em. :)
Mmm, sometimes I wonder how I come across too. Sometimes I wonder if we get
so used to lying and playing games, that it's all we know how to do. Anyhow...
>Hey, how do we know if you're any good or not? Where are the songs?
In your email any moment...
I know what you mean about "following your heart" yada yada. I find it hard
to bother sometimes when I feel like I'm just recording for myself, about
3 friends, and maybe 15 people on Myspace. ;o)
Cheers,
Kim.
>As far as making a living from your hobby, I can tell you this: as soon
as
>I stopped trying to make money with my music, I started making much better
>music and much more of it, probably because I was doing it for me instead
of
>chasing the lastest music fashions around. There are millions of people
out
>there competing for attention for their music, and lots of them are pretty
>talented. Unfortunately, very few of them will "make it big" no matter
how
>good they are. It matters more how cute you are and how well you conform
to
>current trends.
>
>That may sound cynical, but I feel nothing but liberated since I decided
to
>ignore trends and make music based on what I want to hear. Interestingly,
>when I did that, my friends liked the music better, too.
>
>Listen to your heart and your gut and make music that expresses the essence
>of you.
>
>If that doesn't work, you can always get some evil clown costumes and start
>a KISS tribute band.
>
>Hugs,
>
>Sarah
>
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:46593ff9$1@linux...
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>>
>> Perhaps I'm just a big cry baby. ;o)
>>
>> Maybe the problem in fact is that I'm simply not that good at music,
>> comparatively,
>> and I'm just one in the long line of artists and/or people in general
who
>> would love to make a living from their hobby but cannot. Perhaps I'm just
>> miffed at the world because people have to do things which they don't
like
>> doing in order to make a living and make life liveable...
>>
>> Maybe I'm just a self centred dreamer who thinks that we should all just
>> be able to do what we feel like and not have to work so hard or worry
so
>> much. Perhaps I'm unrealistic and/or stupid. Perhaps my expectations were
>> set too high because people used to make such a big deal of my musical
>> talents
>> from so young (and still do often) and hence I somehow just assumed it
>> would
>> all just somehow happen. Perhaps...
>>
>> Maybe I'm just miffed because I'm broken hearted and writing depressing
>> love
>> songs which I personally find touching but which really don't mean much
to
>> anybody but me, but I'm blaming a failed music career for my unhappiness
>> when it's really about a girl...
>>
>> Maybe I should just calm down and shut up. ;o)
>>
>> I dunno...
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>
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| Re: OK maybe I'm just having a sook... [message #85436 is a reply to message #85426] |
Sun, 27 May 2007 13:40 |
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;o) Oh gosh. ;o)
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>I too share your frustration. I've been working on a project for a number
>of years, but there doesn't seem to be much industry interest in tunes like
>"When your Melisma meets my Miasma", "Turgidity and Relief" and my personal
>favorite, "What's White and Sticky".
>
>Chuck
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>Cheers.
>>
>>At least I have a fireplace, a laptop, a pot of chai tea, and some people
>>to complain to. ;o)
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Dude, we've all been there! And some of us keep going back! Keep writing,
>>>that's how the best stuff comes out. It's in those moments. We can all
>>>relate.
>>>
>>>: )
>>>James
>>>
>>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Perhaps I'm just a big cry baby. ;o)
>>>>
>>>>Maybe the problem in fact is that I'm simply not that good at music,
comparatively,
>>>>and I'm just one in the long line of artists and/or people in general
>who
>>>>would love to make a living from their hobby but cannot. Perhaps I'm
just
>>>>miffed at the world because people have to do things which they don't
>like
>>>>doing in order to make a living and make life liveable...
>>>>
>>>>Maybe I'm just a self centred dreamer who thinks that we should all just
>>>>be able to do what we feel like and not have to work so hard or worry
>so
>>>>much. Perhaps I'm unrealistic and/or stupid. Perhaps my expectations
were
>>>>set too high because people used to make such a big deal of my musical
>>talents
>>>>from so young (and still do often) and hence I somehow just assumed it
>>would
>>>>all just somehow happen. Perhaps...
>>>>
>>>>Maybe I'm just miffed because I'm broken hearted and writing depressing
>>>love
>>>>songs which I personally find touching but which really don't mean much
>>>to
>>>>anybody but me, but I'm blaming a failed music career for my unhappiness
>>>>when it's really about a girl...
>>>>
>>>>Maybe I should just calm down and shut up. ;o)
>>>>
>>>>I dunno...
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>Kim.
>>>
>>
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| Re: OK maybe I'm just having a sook... [message #85438 is a reply to message #85428] |
Sun, 27 May 2007 13:53 |
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"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>From your previous post to me on the "Taxi" thread, I gather that you are
a
>bit of an introvert. I'm of an introverted nature too until I get to know
>people.
Yeh, I'm kinda an extroverted introvert though. If I do a personality test
I often come out extraverted, but I guess there's some of that in all of
us. I also struggle because I don't watch movies, keep up with popular culture,
or watch football, or generally pay attention to most of the "default" conversation
topics that go on. Here I can just talk music and music gear, or in this
case, me ;o), and I don't "look stupid" if I don't answer a post.
I am, kinda, "in the thick of things" here where I live, which is a start,
if the rent doesn't go up too soon and I can hang here for a bit. ;o) I met
an actor in a well known independant Aussie film the other day just at random
in the pub. Of course as I just said I don't pay attention to movies, so
I hadn't seen it. ;o) Point is that I have gone out a few times and met people
from bands, and even people who have worked with people I know who I've never
met. I'm in the right place I guess.
There's a long list of reasons I struggle with this, not least of which is
that I seem to only enjoy doing things myself or "my way". I do make space
for people to work their own way, and I would allow somebody to produce my
tunes themselves assuming they knew what they were doing, but if people are
going to mess with my parts, I'd rather be somewhere else. ;o) I know that
people hate controlling musicians. Thing is that often I am asked to control,
because I'm quite good at it. Often I have to control because it's really
obvious that the others are bad at it. There is probably the odd moment where
I don't give a good idea the space it deserves, though the same happens to
me. You know the politics.
There's a bunch of my muso friends who are building studios currently. I'm
hoping I'll end up with a network of "Hey can you lay down three drum tracks
this week for me" (as I don't do drums) type stuff so that I can properly
get some good sounding stuff happening. We'll see...
Cheers,
Kim.
>Find a group of people to start working with. Take it slowly and get to
know
>them. Then just keep plugging away at your songwriting and compositions
or
>whatever else. It's good that you can write "for an artist or genre". That's
>a considerable talent and one I noticed in some of your material that I
have
>heard. ....and the best piece of advice aws far as love and life goes is
to
>do what you do for the sake of doing it without haviing expectations of
>others. It's hard to do, but when I practice this, I end up being much
>happier and more creative.......and things that I would never dream could
>happen in a million years (good things, mind you) start falling in my lap.
I
>find that when I try too hard to make things happen, they never do. when
I
>just put it out there without expectations, things happen...just not
>necessarily what "I" had in mind.....which is often a good thing ;oD
>
>Writing from the heart is what writers do. Don't be afraid to feel and don't
>be afraid to write about how you feel. It's OK. You might never use it,
or
>it might be the next "One For The Road" for the next Frank Sinatra.
>
>I have a 6" x 8"of the link below framed and sitting on the meter bridge
of
>my studio, just to keep things in perspective:
>
>http://despair.com/insanity.html
>
>I need to be reminded of this on a dialy basis or I will take the actions
>of myself and others wayyyyy too seriously.
>
>;o)
>Hang in there
>
>
>
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:46593ff9$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> Perhaps I'm just a big cry baby. ;o)
>>
>> Maybe the problem in fact is that I'm simply not that good at music,
>> comparatively,
>> and I'm just one in the long line of artists and/or people in general
who
>> would love to make a living from their hobby but cannot. Perhaps I'm just
>> miffed at the world because people have to do things which they don't
like
>> doing in order to make a living and make life liveable...
>>
>> Maybe I'm just a self centred dreamer who thinks that we should all just
>> be able to do what we feel like and not have to work so hard or worry
so
>> much. Perhaps I'm unrealistic and/or stupid. Perhaps my expectations were
>> set too high because people used to make such a big deal of my musical
>> talents
>> from so young (and still do often) and hence I somehow just assumed it
>> would
>> all just somehow happen. Perhaps...
>>
>> Maybe I'm just miffed because I'm broken hearted and writing depressing
>> love
>> songs which I personally find touching but which really don't mean much
to
>> anybody but me, but I'm blaming a failed music career for my unhappiness
>> when it's really about a girl...
>>
>> Maybe I should just calm down and shut up. ;o)
>>
>> I dunno...
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>
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| Re: OK maybe I'm just having a sook... [message #85439 is a reply to message #85432] |
Sun, 27 May 2007 13:56 |
Kim
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"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
>Couple more things...
>
>Even sad songs are written by optimists...
True. On some level just to bother complaining is a sign of hope.
I know what you're saying about the wrong lyrics. I have a few of those.
I was talking up doing live shows a while back, but didn't in part because
I listened to my old lyrics and went "Mmm, some are just poor, while others
are just plain WRONG!". I should rework them, but half of them I'd have to
produce again and erghh... ;o)
Cheers,
Kim.
>The act of creating is an inherently hopeful one. Sad songs are theater,
>NOT an expression of reality. Depression makes us write sh*t that no one
>else will ever care about.
>
>Wrote a song years ago called "Iron Rose" about a girl who was very
>destructive of her life (and mine). I *thought* it was heavy, angry. and
>evil sounding, but it never felt right, so one day I asked the punker kid
>drummer I was working with; "what do you think this song is about"?
>
>Ummmm, well, it sounds like it is you crying 'cuz some girl kicked
>yer guts out"....
>
>I was stunned... He was right.
>
>F*ck this sh*t! said I. And I started to think about why I first started
>writing, and that brought me back to remembering how excited I once was
>about living... Of how physical and strong I once was, both in body
>and spiritually. I remembered finishing a karate kata with a huge yell
>that shook the building while sweat ran down my nose. I remembered
>deadlifting the motor to my BMW, 3 steps at a time, out to the car from
>my kitchen, hooking it up to the lift and three hours later driving the
car
>
>home for Christmas... I remembered the girl with the strawberry blonde
>hair who wanted me so bad, her face was flushing red... Jeez she was
>beautiful... And here I was whining about my life.
>
>And I played the riff to that song again, forgetting all my troubles,
>and simply asked, "what is this music about, what does it sound like"?
>
>And the answer was clear. It sounded like drag racing. It sounded
>like top fuel drag racing... So that is what I wrote about.
>
>It's probably my best tune, and everyone that hears it loves it.
>
>Now I live in a house full of women. Big ones, little ones, a wife, and
>2
>daughters. And I know one thing:
>
>LOVE IS NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART
>
>So, remember the VH song?
>
>--Right now, she is getting on with her life--
>
>ouch!
>
>Yeah, now it is your turn...
>
>Why did you start doing music??
>
>And even if you write sad songs (that mean so much..) you will be
>smiling while you do so.
>
>
>
>DC
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| Re: OK maybe I'm just having a sook... [message #85440 is a reply to message #85422] |
Sun, 27 May 2007 14:07 |
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"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>Hey, how do we know if you're any good or not? Where are the songs?
Well before I post the link, let me say this link is NOT to my best material.
It just happens to be the last three songs I've done over the last two weeks
or so. Yes, I need a singer. Yes the production is sloppy, but nobody listens
anyhow, so what does it matter? ;o)
Beautiful Lonely is the song I recorded yesterday before my complaints/counselling
session on the NG. ;o) Rough acoustic mix. Sorry.
Believe in Pure Love is a song that I could see U2 using on their next album
if they didn't write all their own stuff, and yes it does need Bono singing
it rather than myself, and yes that acoustic guitar in the bridge is out
of time, and yes... but I can fix all that when I actually get motivated.
I mean it's not hard...
Love Is The Door is a song I wrote about ARGHHHhhhhhhhh!!! ;o)
I'm sure you'll all listen and go "Well it's all so rough that no wonder
nobody cares" but it's one of those circular situations where I can't be
bothered putting the effort in because nobody is listening... Beautiful
Lonely even has lines of lyrics written which I just stuffed up on the take
which is on there and couldn't be bothered re-doing it. Lazy? Sure. Well,
upset moreso...
Anyhow:
www.myspace.com/drschnauberg
Go on, tell me it's garbage. It probably is... ;o)
Cheers,
Kim.
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| Re: OK maybe I'm just having a sook... [message #85442 is a reply to message #85422] |
Sun, 27 May 2007 14:20 |
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Sarah,
I thought too late...
....I hope you have broadband, because I just sent you a rather large email.
;o)
Cheers,
Kim.
"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>Ah, women . . . can't trust 'em any further than you can throw 'em. :)
>
>Hey, how do we know if you're any good or not? Where are the songs?
>
>As far as making a living from your hobby, I can tell you this: as soon
as
>I stopped trying to make money with my music, I started making much better
>music and much more of it, probably because I was doing it for me instead
of
>chasing the lastest music fashions around. There are millions of people
out
>there competing for attention for their music, and lots of them are pretty
>talented. Unfortunately, very few of them will "make it big" no matter
how
>good they are. It matters more how cute you are and how well you conform
to
>current trends.
>
>That may sound cynical, but I feel nothing but liberated since I decided
to
>ignore trends and make music based on what I want to hear. Interestingly,
>when I did that, my friends liked the music better, too.
>
>Listen to your heart and your gut and make music that expresses the essence
>of you.
>
>If that doesn't work, you can always get some evil clown costumes and start
>a KISS tribute band.
>
>Hugs,
>
>Sarah
>
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:46593ff9$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> Perhaps I'm just a big cry baby. ;o)
>>
>> Maybe the problem in fact is that I'm simply not that good at music,
>> comparatively,
>> and I'm just one in the long line of artists and/or people in general
who
>> would love to make a living from their hobby but cannot. Perhaps I'm just
>> miffed at the world because people have to do things which they don't
like
>> doing in order to make a living and make life liveable...
>>
>> Maybe I'm just a self centred dreamer who thinks that we should all just
>> be able to do what we feel like and not have to work so hard or worry
so
>> much. Perhaps I'm unrealistic and/or stupid. Perhaps my expectations were
>> set too high because people used to make such a big deal of my musical
>> talents
>> from so young (and still do often) and hence I somehow just assumed it
>> would
>> all just somehow happen. Perhaps...
>>
>> Maybe I'm just miffed because I'm broken hearted and writing depressing
>> love
>> songs which I personally find touching but which really don't mean much
to
>> anybody but me, but I'm blaming a failed music career for my unhappiness
>> when it's really about a girl...
>>
>> Maybe I should just calm down and shut up. ;o)
>>
>> I dunno...
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>
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| Re: OK maybe I'm just having a sook... [message #85459 is a reply to message #85453] |
Sun, 27 May 2007 23:58 |
Kim
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"DC" <dc@spammersintherapy.org> wrote:
>
>Writing on that level
>requires full possession of all your skills and concentration.
True. I did my songwriting a little differently yesterday, in that I wrote
a song "deliberately removed" if you like, in which I spoke of a girl, and
the girl in the song was actually me in a sense, but in another sense just
somebody. By putting myself in the third person however and making it a girl
I was able to better examine my own situation, as well as removing myself
from it somewhat in the song writing process.
Mind you, at the same time I found I could relate to it better. I don't normally
cry at my own songs, but I found it awefully difficult to do a vocal take
early on...
>Right. Step back and listen to the music and ask "what it this really about"
A number of my tunes are going to need to be reproduced from scratch now
that I'm getting back to a work flow I like, as well as finally reaching
a point where I should be able to fully produce my solo stuff to a pro level.
Remaking them is a little annoying to me as it is the writing process I enjoy
moreso than the recording process. The up side is however that if I consider
it a complete rework process where lyrics are replaced etc then it becomes
more a writing process again.
So now that that's sorted, if I can just meet the girl of my dreams in the
next couple of weeks... ;o)
Cheers,
Kim.
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Mon, 28 May 2007 00:13 |
dc[3]
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"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>True. I did my songwriting a little differently yesterday, in that I wrote
>a song "deliberately removed" if you like, in which I spoke of a girl, and
>the girl in the song was actually me in a sense,
errrr mate, yer takin' this list-mom stuff way too seriously...
(grin)
>but in another sense just
>somebody. By putting myself in the third person however and making it a
girl
>I was able to better examine my own situation, as well as removing myself
>from it somewhat in the song writing process.
Sounds like a good technique actually.
>Mind you, at the same time I found I could relate to it better. I don't
normally
>cry at my own songs, but I found it awefully difficult to do a vocal take
>early on...
Been there... I have a lullaby that I wrote for the leetle one that always
gets me...
>A number of my tunes are going to need to be reproduced from scratch now
>that I'm getting back to a work flow I like, as well as finally reaching
>a point where I should be able to fully produce my solo stuff to a pro level.
>Remaking them is a little annoying to me as it is the writing process I
enjoy
>moreso than the recording process. The up side is however that if I consider
>it a complete rework process where lyrics are replaced etc then it becomes
>more a writing process again.
Yes. Steve Morse told me not to use the public as your editor... Get rid
of any bad stuff before they ever hear it. There's usually something cool
about every song. Pull it back to there and rebuild it.
>So now that that's sorted, if I can just meet the girl of my dreams in the
>next couple of weeks... ;o)
Ahhh buggerit. You only meet cool women when you just couldn't care
less and are happy. Women love men that have interesting lives and are
in love with those lives.
Then they want you to give it up for them... snork...
Sorry, just kidding. Dang that testosterone!
DC
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| Re: OK maybe I'm just having a sook... [message #85484 is a reply to message #85422] |
Mon, 28 May 2007 09:00 |
Bill L
Messages: 766
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Sarah's right-on about following *your* vision and not the money or
latest big thing.
Another thing I have learned is that being a musician and artist means
just doing it on what ever scale or stage you have available to you.
I've played for tens of thousands and I've played for 40. And I had just
as much fun and gratification from doing a great job for 40.
Example: last weekend we had a wedding gig and my wife, the lead singer,
got laryngitis - could not sing a note. I usually sing 5 songs a night,
but this one was all on me. So I rose to the occasion and if I do say so
myself, I killed it. I was pulling out songs I barely knew and the
people were singing along and dancing like it was 1999. I had a BLAST
and so did the ass-kicking band I put together, even though it was
*just* a wedding and there were under 50 people attending.
Example 2: I worked for Chick Corea as his studio manager/technical
dogsbody for a while and went out as his keyboard tech on a Japanese
tour of the Electrik Band. These guys are arguably the finest electric
ensemble in the world, each one a towering leader on their instrument,
yet they played for the most part 2 shows a night at Blue Note clubs
which seat 200-300 people. There were some larger concerts along the
way, but nothing over 3,000. They all have to work their asses off to be
successful, but they have thriving careers, and as long as they can work
they can certainly make a good living (unlike some "successful" pop
artists, whose careers can be incredibly short-lived). AND, most
importantly they are doing what they LOVE.
Artists create the society. Your work IS valuable. There are victories
to be had at every level of the industry, so just go do it. Don't think
that if you are not in the big time you are nowhere. You are you.
Bill L
Sarah wrote:
> Ah, women . . . can't trust 'em any further than you can throw 'em. :)
>
> Hey, how do we know if you're any good or not? Where are the songs?
>
> As far as making a living from your hobby, I can tell you this: as soon as
> I stopped trying to make money with my music, I started making much better
> music and much more of it, probably because I was doing it for me instead of
> chasing the lastest music fashions around. There are millions of people out
> there competing for attention for their music, and lots of them are pretty
> talented. Unfortunately, very few of them will "make it big" no matter how
> good they are. It matters more how cute you are and how well you conform to
> current trends.
>
> That may sound cynical, but I feel nothing but liberated since I decided to
> ignore trends and make music based on what I want to hear. Interestingly,
> when I did that, my friends liked the music better, too.
>
> Listen to your heart and your gut and make music that expresses the essence
> of you.
>
> If that doesn't work, you can always get some evil clown costumes and start
> a KISS tribute band.
>
> Hugs,
>
> Sarah
>
>
> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:46593ff9$1@linux...
>>
>> Perhaps I'm just a big cry baby. ;o)
>>
>> Maybe the problem in fact is that I'm simply not that good at music,
>> comparatively,
>> and I'm just one in the long line of artists and/or people in general who
>> would love to make a living from their hobby but cannot. Perhaps I'm just
>> miffed at the world because people have to do things which they don't like
>> doing in order to make a living and make life liveable...
>>
>> Maybe I'm just a self centred dreamer who thinks that we should all just
>> be able to do what we feel like and not have to work so hard or worry so
>> much. Perhaps I'm unrealistic and/or stupid. Perhaps my expectations were
>> set too high because people used to make such a big deal of my musical
>> talents
>> from so young (and still do often) and hence I somehow just assumed it
>> would
>> all just somehow happen. Perhaps...
>>
>> Maybe I'm just miffed because I'm broken hearted and writing depressing
>> love
>> songs which I personally find touching but which really don't mean much to
>> anybody but me, but I'm blaming a failed music career for my unhappiness
>> when it's really about a girl...
>>
>> Maybe I should just calm down and shut up. ;o)
>>
>> I dunno...
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>
>
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| Re: OK maybe I'm just having a sook... [message #85508 is a reply to message #85440] |
Mon, 28 May 2007 12:33 |
Bill L
Messages: 766
Registered: August 2006
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Well crafted songs, Kim! Great piano playing, too. I don't care for the
f/x and EQ on the vocals - they are kind of washed out and have no
definition or impingement. I'd like to hear some more arrangement and
instruments too.
You're really talented and skilled and you need to stop feeling sorry
for yourself.
"Never regret yesterday. Life is in you today and you make your own
tomorrow." L Ron Hubbard
Kim wrote:
> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>> Hey, how do we know if you're any good or not? Where are the songs?
>
> Well before I post the link, let me say this link is NOT to my best material.
> It just happens to be the last three songs I've done over the last two weeks
> or so. Yes, I need a singer. Yes the production is sloppy, but nobody listens
> anyhow, so what does it matter? ;o)
>
> Beautiful Lonely is the song I recorded yesterday before my complaints/counselling
> session on the NG. ;o) Rough acoustic mix. Sorry.
>
> Believe in Pure Love is a song that I could see U2 using on their next album
> if they didn't write all their own stuff, and yes it does need Bono singing
> it rather than myself, and yes that acoustic guitar in the bridge is out
> of time, and yes... but I can fix all that when I actually get motivated.
> I mean it's not hard...
>
> Love Is The Door is a song I wrote about ARGHHHhhhhhhhh!!! ;o)
>
> I'm sure you'll all listen and go "Well it's all so rough that no wonder
> nobody cares" but it's one of those circular situations where I can't be
> bothered putting the effort in because nobody is listening... Beautiful
> Lonely even has lines of lyrics written which I just stuffed up on the take
> which is on there and couldn't be bothered re-doing it. Lazy? Sure. Well,
> upset moreso...
>
> Anyhow:
> www.myspace.com/drschnauberg
>
> Go on, tell me it's garbage. It probably is... ;o)
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
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| Re: OK maybe I'm just having a sook... [message #85514 is a reply to message #85484] |
Mon, 28 May 2007 15:01 |
Kim
Messages: 1246
Registered: October 2005
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Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>Don't think
>that if you are not in the big time you are nowhere. You are you.
Very true.
If i actually got off my backside and put a show together... ;o)
Thanks for both those posts though Bill. They're what I needed to hear methinks...
Cheers,
Kim.
>
>Bill L
>
>
>Sarah wrote:
>> Ah, women . . . can't trust 'em any further than you can throw 'em. :)
>>
>> Hey, how do we know if you're any good or not? Where are the songs?
>>
>> As far as making a living from your hobby, I can tell you this: as soon
as
>> I stopped trying to make money with my music, I started making much better
>> music and much more of it, probably because I was doing it for me instead
of
>> chasing the lastest music fashions around. There are millions of people
out
>> there competing for attention for their music, and lots of them are pretty
>> talented. Unfortunately, very few of them will "make it big" no matter
how
>> good they are. It matters more how cute you are and how well you conform
to
>> current trends.
>>
>> That may sound cynical, but I feel nothing but liberated since I decided
to
>> ignore trends and make music based on what I want to hear. Interestingly,
>> when I did that, my friends liked the music better, too.
>>
>> Listen to your heart and your gut and make music that expresses the essence
>> of you.
>>
>> If that doesn't work, you can always get some evil clown costumes and
start
>> a KISS tribute band.
>>
>> Hugs,
>>
>> Sarah
>>
>>
>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:46593ff9$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Perhaps I'm just a big cry baby. ;o)
>>>
>>> Maybe the problem in fact is that I'm simply not that good at music,
>>> comparatively,
>>> and I'm just one in the long line of artists and/or people in general
who
>>> would love to make a living from their hobby but cannot. Perhaps I'm
just
>>> miffed at the world because people have to do things which they don't
like
>>> doing in order to make a living and make life liveable...
>>>
>>> Maybe I'm just a self centred dreamer who thinks that we should all just
>>> be able to do what we feel like and not have to work so hard or worry
so
>>> much. Perhaps I'm unrealistic and/or stupid. Perhaps my expectations
were
>>> set too high because people used to make such a big deal of my musical
>>> talents
>>> from so young (and still do often) and hence I somehow just assumed it
>>> would
>>> all just somehow happen. Perhaps...
>>>
>>> Maybe I'm just miffed because I'm broken hearted and writing depressing
>>> love
>>> songs which I personally find touching but which really don't mean much
to
>>> anybody but me, but I'm blaming a failed music career for my unhappiness
>>> when it's really about a girl...
>>>
>>> Maybe I should just calm down and shut up. ;o)
>>>
>>> I dunno...
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Kim.
>>
>>
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