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DC is currently offline  DC
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http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/18928656

SSC would LOVE this sh*t. Think there are audio applications?

Oh yeah...

DC
Re: Surface... [message #85642 is a reply to message #85640] Wed, 30 May 2007 08:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Neil is currently offline  Neil
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"DC" <dc@spammersinRedmond.com> wrote:
>
>http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/18928656
>
>SSC would LOVE this sh*t. Think there are audio applications?
>
>Oh yeah...

Oh great - just what the world needs... another Theremin.

:)
Re: Surface... [message #85653 is a reply to message #85642] Wed, 30 May 2007 09:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
dc[3] is currently offline  dc[3]
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Imagine, you sit back in a big chair, the screen descends from the ceiling,
no mouse, no KB.

You bring up a sound, you EQ it with a wave of the hand and squeeze
it with another...

Big time audio applications for this.

DC
Re: Surface... [message #85655 is a reply to message #85642] Wed, 30 May 2007 10:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jamie K is currently offline  Jamie K   UNITED STATES
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Other multi-touch projects already in progress:

http://www.jazzmutant.com/
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/65
http://cs.nyu.edu/~jhan/ftirsense/
http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/

Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com



Neil wrote:
> "DC" <dc@spammersinRedmond.com> wrote:
>> http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/18928656
>>
>> SSC would LOVE this sh*t. Think there are audio applications?
>>
>> Oh yeah...
>
> Oh great - just what the world needs... another Theremin.
>
> :)
Re: Surface... [message #85656 is a reply to message #85655] Wed, 30 May 2007 10:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dedric Terry is currently offline  Dedric Terry   UNITED STATES
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Have you seen a price on JazzMutant? I'm thinking Lemur was $6k+ (but could
be wrong), so I'm guessing $5-10k.

Actually, in place of a control surface (if it fully suffices for one) it
could be a viable alternative to
an ID or Euphonix MC, though I'm still jonesin' for an MC.... :-)

One day we'll be using these things for mixing and people will wonder what
the heck
one did with a hardware console that couldn't change views, layouts,
screens, or customize
faders, throw length, etc. ;-)

"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:465db128@linux...
>
> Other multi-touch projects already in progress:
>
> http://www.jazzmutant.com/
> http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/65
> http://cs.nyu.edu/~jhan/ftirsense/
> http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
> Neil wrote:
>> "DC" <dc@spammersinRedmond.com> wrote:
>>> http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/18928656
>>>
>>> SSC would LOVE this sh*t. Think there are audio applications?
>>>
>>> Oh yeah...
>>
>> Oh great - just what the world needs... another Theremin.
>>
>> :)
Re: Surface... [message #85660 is a reply to message #85656] Wed, 30 May 2007 11:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jamie K is currently offline  Jamie K   UNITED STATES
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I don't know the prices but they should come down over time.

I'm currently comfortable mixing using a mouse, with no control surface
needed. I can be very precise that way, and Logic is already
configurable to group and show channels onscreen as I like. So I
vacillate on whether a control surface would be a worthwhile improvement.

The MC looks interesting, if you get one I'll have to come check it out.

Multi-touch interface ideas are flashy and intriguing. Maybe even moreso
for graphics work than audio. The demos look like fun!

Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com


Dedric Terry wrote:
> Have you seen a price on JazzMutant? I'm thinking Lemur was $6k+ (but could
> be wrong), so I'm guessing $5-10k.
>
> Actually, in place of a control surface (if it fully suffices for one) it
> could be a viable alternative to
> an ID or Euphonix MC, though I'm still jonesin' for an MC.... :-)
>
> One day we'll be using these things for mixing and people will wonder what
> the heck
> one did with a hardware console that couldn't change views, layouts,
> screens, or customize
> faders, throw length, etc. ;-)
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:465db128@linux...
>> Other multi-touch projects already in progress:
>>
>> http://www.jazzmutant.com/
>> http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/65
>> http://cs.nyu.edu/~jhan/ftirsense/
>> http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Neil wrote:
>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinRedmond.com> wrote:
>>>> http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/18928656
>>>>
>>>> SSC would LOVE this sh*t. Think there are audio applications?
>>>>
>>>> Oh yeah...
>>> Oh great - just what the world needs... another Theremin.
>>>
>>> :)
>
>
Re: Surface... [message #85661 is a reply to message #85640] Wed, 30 May 2007 11:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The whole thing is remarkably intuitive, says Gates, because it’s remarkably
similar to what people do in everyday life. “When you make it so that it's
just visual — touch and visual — you're drawing on what humans are incredibly
good at,” he said. “You know, what people have been practicing their entire
lives. People will start to see that this world of information and entertainment
is going to be far more accessible."

I dunno, I've spent a fair bit of my life practicing how to use bash and
Emacs. Not sure if I need to be able to push around stuff with my fingers
to use a computer.

Also, this is yet another attempt to make a computer act unlike a computer.
It's not going to make mistakes, need updates, recognize things incorrectly,
and so on. Maybe this is Microsoft's Newton?

TCB

"DC" <dc@spammersinRedmond.com> wrote:
>
>http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/18928656
>
>SSC would LOVE this sh*t. Think there are audio applications?
>
>Oh yeah...
>
>DC
>
Re: Surface... [message #85662 is a reply to message #85661] Wed, 30 May 2007 12:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Read this:

http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/112/open_features-cantto uchthis.html

Do watch the video...

DC
Re: Surface... [message #85664 is a reply to message #85640] Wed, 30 May 2007 13:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [4] is currently offline  Deej [4]   UNITED STATES
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I'm sure they stole this from Apple.

;o)

"DC" <dc@spammersinRedmond.com> wrote in message news:465d9cc6$1@linux...
>
> http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/18928656
>
> SSC would LOVE this sh*t. Think there are audio applications?
>
> Oh yeah...
>
> DC
>
Re: Surface... [message #85665 is a reply to message #85664] Wed, 30 May 2007 13:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DC is currently offline  DC
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What do you want to bet they stole it from Jeff Han?

DC


"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>I'm sure they stole this from Apple.
>
>;o)
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinRedmond.com> wrote in message news:465d9cc6$1@linux...
>>
>> http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/18928656
>>
>> SSC would LOVE this sh*t. Think there are audio applications?
>>
>> Oh yeah...
>>
>> DC
>>
>
>
Re: Surface... [message #85690 is a reply to message #85653] Wed, 30 May 2007 22:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
xpam_mark is currently offline  xpam_mark   UNITED STATES
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I'm thinking that's gonna be like flying a kite all day... tired arms at
those dimensions.

Dubya

"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:465dacc8@linux...
>
> Imagine, you sit back in a big chair, the screen descends from the
> ceiling,
> no mouse, no KB.
>
> You bring up a sound, you EQ it with a wave of the hand and squeeze
> it with another...
>
> Big time audio applications for this.
>
> DC
>
Re: Surface... [message #85699 is a reply to message #85662] Thu, 31 May 2007 07:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm a professional geek, I saw the youtube stuff a while ago. Really cool
tech, I agree, I just don't see it having a wide enough appeal to go very
far.

TCB

"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
>Read this:
>
> http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/112/open_features-cantto uchthis.html
>
>Do watch the video...
>
>DC
>
Re: Surface... [message #85709 is a reply to message #85699] Thu, 31 May 2007 08:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
xpam_mark is currently offline  xpam_mark   UNITED STATES
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Same here. Exactly. The geometry required to make this useful is larger
than to which I am willing to be "limited" if I may use that word in a lower
limit (think mimum speed limit) sorta way.

Dubya

"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:465edc40$1@linux...
>
> I'm a professional geek, I saw the youtube stuff a while ago. Really cool
> tech, I agree, I just don't see it having a wide enough appeal to go very
> far.
>
> TCB
>
> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>
>>Read this:
>>
>> http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/112/open_features-cantto uchthis.html
>>
>>Do watch the video...
>>
>>DC
>>
>
Re: Surface... [message #85713 is a reply to message #85699] Thu, 31 May 2007 10:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Seems to me, because of the sophistication of the potential
audio application using the thing, that it could provide something
to the highend studio that the home DAW people cannot
compete with, nor afford.



DC


"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>I'm a professional geek, I saw the youtube stuff a while ago. Really cool
>tech, I agree, I just don't see it having a wide enough appeal to go very
>far.
>
>TCB
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>
>>Read this:
>>
>> http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/112/open_features-cantto uchthis.html
>>
>>Do watch the video...
>>
>>DC
>>
>
Re: Surface... [message #85715 is a reply to message #85713] Thu, 31 May 2007 10:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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But the high end places already have things the smaller studios don't, like
SSL/Neve desks, big fancy monitors, vintage mics and instruments, hot secretaries,
coke dealers on speed dial, and so forth. But they're still getting their
clocks cleaned.

I'm wrong a lot, I thought the Colts were nuts for passing on Ryan Leaf (no,
really, I did), but I wouldn't bet a dime on the Surface getting traction
in the market.

TCB

"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
>Seems to me, because of the sophistication of the potential
>audio application using the thing, that it could provide something
>to the highend studio that the home DAW people cannot
>compete with, nor afford.
>
>
>
>DC
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>I'm a professional geek, I saw the youtube stuff a while ago. Really cool
>>tech, I agree, I just don't see it having a wide enough appeal to go very
>>far.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Read this:
>>>
>>> http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/112/open_features-cantto uchthis.html
>>>
>>>Do watch the video...
>>>
>>>DC
>>>
>>
>
Re: Surface... [message #85716 is a reply to message #85715] Thu, 31 May 2007 11:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aaron Allen is currently offline  Aaron Allen   UNITED STATES
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I would. As a security guy, the applications I see for this thing are wild.
Casino's have lotttsa money and like toys that allow quick and accurate
access to visual information. Both visual and proximity information. Imagine
one web page to control all entries, cameras, motion detectors and audio
groups as well as routing what video to what viewing device. That web tech
already exists as an overlay, but with 'this' thing on top of it the
possiblities for speed and accuracy go way up.

Will it dominate? Not unless the price gets real reasonable. Consumers are
cheap.

AA

"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:465f0cae$1@linux...
>
> But the high end places already have things the smaller studios don't,
> like
> SSL/Neve desks, big fancy monitors, vintage mics and instruments, hot
> secretaries,
> coke dealers on speed dial, and so forth. But they're still getting their
> clocks cleaned.
>
> I'm wrong a lot, I thought the Colts were nuts for passing on Ryan Leaf
> (no,
> really, I did), but I wouldn't bet a dime on the Surface getting traction
> in the market.
>
> TCB
>
> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>
>>Seems to me, because of the sophistication of the potential
>>audio application using the thing, that it could provide something
>>to the highend studio that the home DAW people cannot
>>compete with, nor afford.
>>
>>
>>
>>DC
>>
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I'm a professional geek, I saw the youtube stuff a while ago. Really cool
>>>tech, I agree, I just don't see it having a wide enough appeal to go very
>>>far.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Read this:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/112/open_features-cantto uchthis.html
>>>>
>>>>Do watch the video...
>>>>
>>>>DC
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Surface... [message #85719 is a reply to message #85715] Thu, 31 May 2007 13:52 Go to previous message
dc[3] is currently offline  dc[3]
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A-ha, but none of those things represents "the future" does it?

<grin>

Wouldn't be the first time the pros have made a living from
industry hype...

DC

"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>But the high end places already have things the smaller studios don't, like
>SSL/Neve desks, big fancy monitors, vintage mics and instruments, hot secretaries,
>coke dealers on speed dial, and so forth. But they're still getting their
>clocks cleaned.
>
>I'm wrong a lot, I thought the Colts were nuts for passing on Ryan Leaf
(no,
>really, I did), but I wouldn't bet a dime on the Surface getting traction
>in the market.
>
>TCB
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>
>>Seems to me, because of the sophistication of the potential
>>audio application using the thing, that it could provide something
>>to the highend studio that the home DAW people cannot
>>compete with, nor afford.
>>
>>
>>
>>DC
>>
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I'm a professional geek, I saw the youtube stuff a while ago. Really cool
>>>tech, I agree, I just don't see it having a wide enough appeal to go very
>>>far.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Read this:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/112/open_features-cantto uchthis.html
>>>>
>>>>Do watch the video...
>>>>
>>>>DC
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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