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| Apple sucks [message #92276] |
Fri, 02 November 2007 12:07  |
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dc[3]
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Guess what? Got an older iBook? Maybe an older G3 or G4
tower?
Want to upgrade to Leopard?
You're screwed.
No CD-Rom version exists.
So if you have an older box without a DVD drive it is now
an orphan. And no you can't install from an outboard drive
because you cannot boot from an outboard drive.
Stupid, stupid, stupid...
Like it would be really hard to release a CD version...
This deliberate obsolete-ing of products to force you to buy
new ones is stupid, scummy, and certainly not green...
Which is important if you remember that Algore is on the
Apple board and Jobs was SO PROUD of him for winning the
Nobel...
Computer companies suck... all of them.
DC
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| Re: Apple sucks [message #92279 is a reply to message #92276] |
Fri, 02 November 2007 12:34  |
Steve Helm
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Relax...
MacFixit.com has a workaround:
"Run Leopard (Mac OS X 10.5) on pre-867MHz systems
Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) requires Mac with an Intel, PowerPC G5, or PowerPC
G4 processor running at 867MHz or faster, and will refuse to install on any
systems running at a lower clock speed (even dual 800 MHz systems are excluded).
However, there's an easy way to trick your lower-than-867 MHz Mac into running
Leopard: install the operating system on an external FireWire hard drive
using a computer that does meet the minimum clock speed requirements. You
can then use that drive to boot a Mac running at less than 867 MHz (see the
screenshot below for proof).
Better yet, you can hook a pre-867 MHz Mac up to a Mac that does meet official
Leopard requirements and boot it in Target Disk Mode, then install Leopard
directly. This should (we haven't yet tested this method) allow you to boot
Leopard from the system's internal hard drive.
For more information on installing Leopard on a FireWire drive, see this
article.
Obviously, performance for some features will be somewhat sluggish on older
processors, but we've already received reports indicating normal operation.
MacFixIt reader Jim writes:
"(I) hooked a Leopard drive to a 533 Mhz G4. It boots and runs fine. I don't
know why Apple limited it to 867 or above. Maybe something will show up down
the road but so far I don't see any slowdown in speed or any anomalies. QT
movies and trailers play, Flip4Mac plays fine. It has only been a short while
on it, but so far I don't get why they cut it off where they did."
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
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>Guess what? Got an older iBook? Maybe an older G3 or G4
>tower?
>
>Want to upgrade to Leopard?
>
>You're screwed.
>
>No CD-Rom version exists.
>
>So if you have an older box without a DVD drive it is now
>an orphan. And no you can't install from an outboard drive
>because you cannot boot from an outboard drive.
>
>Stupid, stupid, stupid...
>
>Like it would be really hard to release a CD version...
>
>This deliberate obsolete-ing of products to force you to buy
>new ones is stupid, scummy, and certainly not green...
>Which is important if you remember that Algore is on the
>Apple board and Jobs was SO PROUD of him for winning the
>Nobel...
>
>Computer companies suck... all of them.
>DC
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| Re: Apple sucks [message #92280 is a reply to message #92276] |
Fri, 02 November 2007 11:30 |
Jamie K
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All computers suck. All computers are great. Which is not to imply that
all computers are the same.
BTW, love him or hate him, Al Gore's name is two words. People can
generally spell your name correctly once you win half the Nobel - and
please don't forget all the scientists who share the prize, some of whom
are here in Colorado.
Anyhoo, planned obsolescence does suck. OTOH, there's some argument to
made for a cutoff point before which computers are too slow to
reasonably handle new features.
Apple's approach for OSX 1.5 is, from what I remember, that for this
release G3s are not supported. G4s under a certain clock speed are also
not supported, although I've heard if you change a line on the install
script it will still work. I quibble with this cutoff, all G4s should be
supported IMO.
How old does a CD drive have to be in order to not support _reading_ a
DVD? I would bet that all the supported computers can read a DVD.
I wasn't aware that you can't boot from an outboard drive. Another
alternative might be over a firewire direct connection from the reader
on another Mac, might be worth a try if you're attempting to install on
a non-supported system.
If that doesn't work and you have an old G3, OSX 1.4 is still very viable.
I'm waiting on the update to OSX 1.5, just in case, to allow a bit of
time for developers to catch up and any first release bugs to be addressed.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
DC wrote:
> Guess what? Got an older iBook? Maybe an older G3 or G4
> tower?
>
> Want to upgrade to Leopard?
>
> You're screwed.
>
> No CD-Rom version exists.
>
> So if you have an older box without a DVD drive it is now
> an orphan. And no you can't install from an outboard drive
> because you cannot boot from an outboard drive.
> Stupid, stupid, stupid...
>
> Like it would be really hard to release a CD version...
>
> This deliberate obsolete-ing of products to force you to buy
> new ones is stupid, scummy, and certainly not green...
> Which is important if you remember that Algore is on the
> Apple board and Jobs was SO PROUD of him for winning the
> Nobel...
>
> Computer companies suck... all of them.
> DC
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| Re: Apple sucks [message #92281 is a reply to message #92276] |
Fri, 02 November 2007 12:38 |
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DC, Leopard would not run that good anyway on a G3 or G4. That OS what built
for Dual core/Core Dual Intels. Not that old motorola stuff..
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
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>Guess what? Got an older iBook? Maybe an older G3 or G4
>tower?
>
>Want to upgrade to Leopard?
>
>You're screwed.
>
>No CD-Rom version exists.
>
>So if you have an older box without a DVD drive it is now
>an orphan. And no you can't install from an outboard drive
>because you cannot boot from an outboard drive.
>
>Stupid, stupid, stupid...
>
>Like it would be really hard to release a CD version...
>
>This deliberate obsolete-ing of products to force you to buy
>new ones is stupid, scummy, and certainly not green...
>Which is important if you remember that Algore is on the
>Apple board and Jobs was SO PROUD of him for winning the
>Nobel...
>
>Computer companies suck... all of them.
>DC
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| Re: Apple sucks [message #92285 is a reply to message #92279] |
Fri, 02 November 2007 12:47 |
dc[3]
Messages: 895
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thanks Steve! Do you have the url for that article?
DC
"Steve Helm" <shelm@radford.edu> wrote:
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>Relax...
>MacFixit.com has a workaround:
>
>"Run Leopard (Mac OS X 10.5) on pre-867MHz systems
>
>Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) requires Mac with an Intel, PowerPC G5, or PowerPC
>G4 processor running at 867MHz or faster, and will refuse to install on
any
>systems running at a lower clock speed (even dual 800 MHz systems are excluded).
>However, there's an easy way to trick your lower-than-867 MHz Mac into running
>Leopard: install the operating system on an external FireWire hard drive
>using a computer that does meet the minimum clock speed requirements. You
>can then use that drive to boot a Mac running at less than 867 MHz (see
the
>screenshot below for proof).
>
>Better yet, you can hook a pre-867 MHz Mac up to a Mac that does meet official
>Leopard requirements and boot it in Target Disk Mode, then install Leopard
>directly. This should (we haven't yet tested this method) allow you to boot
>Leopard from the system's internal hard drive.
>
>For more information on installing Leopard on a FireWire drive, see this
>article.
>
>Obviously, performance for some features will be somewhat sluggish on older
>processors, but we've already received reports indicating normal operation.
>
>MacFixIt reader Jim writes:
>
>"(I) hooked a Leopard drive to a 533 Mhz G4. It boots and runs fine. I don't
>know why Apple limited it to 867 or above. Maybe something will show up
down
>the road but so far I don't see any slowdown in speed or any anomalies.
QT
>movies and trailers play, Flip4Mac plays fine. It has only been a short
while
>on it, but so far I don't get why they cut it off where they did."
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
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>>Guess what? Got an older iBook? Maybe an older G3 or G4
>>tower?
>>
>>Want to upgrade to Leopard?
>>
>>You're screwed.
>>
>>No CD-Rom version exists.
>>
>>So if you have an older box without a DVD drive it is now
>>an orphan. And no you can't install from an outboard drive
>>because you cannot boot from an outboard drive.
>>
>>Stupid, stupid, stupid...
>>
>>Like it would be really hard to release a CD version...
>>
>>This deliberate obsolete-ing of products to force you to buy
>>new ones is stupid, scummy, and certainly not green...
>>Which is important if you remember that Algore is on the
>>Apple board and Jobs was SO PROUD of him for winning the
>>Nobel...
>>
>>Computer companies suck... all of them.
>>DC
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| Re: Apple sucks [message #92292 is a reply to message #92287] |
Fri, 02 November 2007 13:58 |
excelav
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I use them on occasion. I use one for local gas prices, one for weather,
yellow pages, ebay watcher, a converter, a one off envelope address printer,
cord computer, a tuner, a NIX manual, Dictionary Thesaurus, sticky notes,
etc.
Lots of cool stuff out there.
James
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
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>BTW, is anyone actually using Dashboard and the widgets etc?
>
>I have had Tiger on the Mini here for a coiuple of weeks now and
>I am not using these "features" at all. I went and set them up,
>but I nver use them.
>
>Anyone use them?
>
>DC
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| Re: Apple sucks [message #92295 is a reply to message #92292] |
Fri, 02 November 2007 14:03 |
dc[3]
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That's it. If I remember, they do those things well. Instead,
I usually use a web resource.
I wish they would do a production professional OS. Stripped
down to just what we really need. It used to be easy to make
your own with OS9, but today we are struggling with
stuff meant for consumers, because the computer outfits
see production as simply another app instead of something
you dedicate a machine to.
DC
.. It's not a matter of making
a whole new one, it's just a matter of throwing out 2/3's of
the current one...
DC
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>I use them on occasion. I use one for local gas prices, one for weather,
>yellow pages, ebay watcher, a converter, a one off envelope address printer,
>cord computer, a tuner, a NIX manual, Dictionary Thesaurus, sticky notes,
>etc.
>
>Lots of cool stuff out there.
>
>James
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
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>>BTW, is anyone actually using Dashboard and the widgets etc?
>>
>>I have had Tiger on the Mini here for a coiuple of weeks now and
>>I am not using these "features" at all. I went and set them up,
>>but I nver use them.
>>
>>Anyone use them?
>>
>>DC
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| Re: Apple sucks [message #92296 is a reply to message #92289] |
Fri, 02 November 2007 14:04 |
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Please, that what's worng with you Mac Only folks. PC guys/gals, understand
that with a New OS update, you need more CPU/RAM juice.
Mac guy/Gal still want to run Leopard of a Mac Quadra (LoL!!).. Yes, we know
how much you have invested $$$.Let it go. Stay with the OS is was primed
for..
Get a new Mac. A Current Mac. They're great.
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>Come on LaMont, you don't know that to be true. It runs on G4s, G5s, and
>intel.
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>DC, Leopard would not run that good anyway on a G3 or G4. That OS what
built
>>for Dual core/Core Dual Intels. Not that old motorola stuff..
>>
>>
>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Guess what? Got an older iBook? Maybe an older G3 or G4
>>>tower?
>>>
>>>Want to upgrade to Leopard?
>>>
>>>You're screwed.
>>>
>>>No CD-Rom version exists.
>>>
>>>So if you have an older box without a DVD drive it is now
>>>an orphan. And no you can't install from an outboard drive
>>>because you cannot boot from an outboard drive.
>>>
>>>Stupid, stupid, stupid...
>>>
>>>Like it would be really hard to release a CD version...
>>>
>>>This deliberate obsolete-ing of products to force you to buy
>>>new ones is stupid, scummy, and certainly not green...
>>>Which is important if you remember that Algore is on the
>>>Apple board and Jobs was SO PROUD of him for winning the
>>>Nobel...
>>>
>>>Computer companies suck... all of them.
>>>DC
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| Re: Apple sucks [message #92297 is a reply to message #92294] |
Fri, 02 November 2007 14:04 |
dc[3]
Messages: 895
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No, have you?
I certainly wouldn't wan't to defend apple by saying "it's no
worse than Vista" though...
Know what I mean?
DC
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>Have you looked at the size of Vista?
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>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
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>>I think he means it is bloated and slow for those machines
>>because the OS is doing so many tricks these days. 2.3 gig on
>>the install CD btw. That's really big for an OS.
>>
>>DC
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>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Come on LaMont, you don't know that to be true. It runs on G4s, G5s,
and
>>>intel.
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>DC, Leopard would not run that good anyway on a G3 or G4. That OS what
>>built
>>>>for Dual core/Core Dual Intels. Not that old motorola stuff..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Guess what? Got an older iBook? Maybe an older G3 or G4
>>>>>tower?
>>>>>
>>>>>Want to upgrade to Leopard?
>>>>>
>>>>>You're screwed.
>>>>>
>>>>>No CD-Rom version exists.
>>>>>
>>>>>So if you have an older box without a DVD drive it is now
>>>>>an orphan. And no you can't install from an outboard drive
>>>>>because you cannot boot from an outboard drive.
>>>>>
>>>>>Stupid, stupid, stupid...
>>>>>
>>>>>Like it would be really hard to release a CD version...
>>>>>
>>>>>This deliberate obsolete-ing of products to force you to buy
>>>>>new ones is stupid, scummy, and certainly not green...
>>>>>Which is important if you remember that Algore is on the
>>>>>Apple board and Jobs was SO PROUD of him for winning the
>>>>>Nobel...
>>>>>
>>>>>Computer companies suck... all of them.
>>>>>DC
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Apple sucks [message #92299 is a reply to message #92295] |
Fri, 02 November 2007 14:19 |
excelav
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This sounds familiar, hmmmm...! I personally think it's unnecessary to strip
Mac OS for running pro apps. You can strip it, you just have to know how.
There are web sites that have info on optimizing Mac OS. It's just not
necessary to dedicate a Mac to just one app.
Apple has always geared their OS to consumers, including pro audio guys;
)
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
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>That's it. If I remember, they do those things well. Instead,
>I usually use a web resource.
>
>I wish they would do a production professional OS. Stripped
>down to just what we really need. It used to be easy to make
>your own with OS9, but today we are struggling with
>stuff meant for consumers, because the computer outfits
>see production as simply another app instead of something
>you dedicate a machine to.
>
>
>DC
>
>
>. It's not a matter of making
>a whole new one, it's just a matter of throwing out 2/3's of
>the current one...
>
>DC
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>I use them on occasion. I use one for local gas prices, one for weather,
>>yellow pages, ebay watcher, a converter, a one off envelope address printer,
>>cord computer, a tuner, a NIX manual, Dictionary Thesaurus, sticky notes,
>>etc.
>>
>>Lots of cool stuff out there.
>>
>>James
>>
>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>BTW, is anyone actually using Dashboard and the widgets etc?
>>>
>>>I have had Tiger on the Mini here for a coiuple of weeks now and
>>>I am not using these "features" at all. I went and set them up,
>>>but I nver use them.
>>>
>>>Anyone use them?
>>>
>>>DC
>>>
>>
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| Re: Apple sucks [message #92300 is a reply to message #92296] |
Fri, 02 November 2007 14:32 |
excelav
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I don't think anybody expects to be able to run Leopard on a 16-17 year old
Quadra, anymore than running Windows Vista on a 286-386. It does suck that
Apple drew the line where they did, summer 2001, but they have to draw the
line some where. Some Mac users would use old machines forever if they didn't.
I won't up grade until I have to; )
"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
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>Please, that what's worng with you Mac Only folks. PC guys/gals, understand
>that with a New OS update, you need more CPU/RAM juice.
>
>Mac guy/Gal still want to run Leopard of a Mac Quadra (LoL!!).. Yes, we
know
>how much you have invested $$$.Let it go. Stay with the OS is was primed
>for..
>
>Get a new Mac. A Current Mac. They're great.
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Come on LaMont, you don't know that to be true. It runs on G4s, G5s, and
>>intel.
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>DC, Leopard would not run that good anyway on a G3 or G4. That OS what
>built
>>>for Dual core/Core Dual Intels. Not that old motorola stuff..
>>>
>>>
>>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Guess what? Got an older iBook? Maybe an older G3 or G4
>>>>tower?
>>>>
>>>>Want to upgrade to Leopard?
>>>>
>>>>You're screwed.
>>>>
>>>>No CD-Rom version exists.
>>>>
>>>>So if you have an older box without a DVD drive it is now
>>>>an orphan. And no you can't install from an outboard drive
>>>>because you cannot boot from an outboard drive.
>>>>
>>>>Stupid, stupid, stupid...
>>>>
>>>>Like it would be really hard to release a CD version...
>>>>
>>>>This deliberate obsolete-ing of products to force you to buy
>>>>new ones is stupid, scummy, and certainly not green...
>>>>Which is important if you remember that Algore is on the
>>>>Apple board and Jobs was SO PROUD of him for winning the
>>>>Nobel...
>>>>
>>>>Computer companies suck... all of them.
>>>>DC
>>>
>>
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| Re: Apple sucks [message #92301 is a reply to message #92297] |
Fri, 02 November 2007 14:50 |
excelav
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I'm not trying to defend Apple, you were saying that Mac OS is big for an
OS. Vista comes in different versions/sizes starting around 2.5 GB, RC2
(64bit) is about 8GB when installed, plus swap file (1-2GB) and hibernation
file.
The word is Leopard is optimized and runs faster than Tiger does on older
machines. It is speculation and assumption to say Leopard won't run well
on older Macs. It's FUD to say you have to go buy a new Mac to run Leopard.
Although a new Mac would be nice; )
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
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>No, have you?
>
>I certainly wouldn't wan't to defend apple by saying "it's no
>worse than Vista" though...
>
>Know what I mean?
>
>DC
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>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>Have you looked at the size of Vista?
>>
>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I think he means it is bloated and slow for those machines
>>>because the OS is doing so many tricks these days. 2.3 gig on
>>>the install CD btw. That's really big for an OS.
>>>
>>>DC
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Come on LaMont, you don't know that to be true. It runs on G4s, G5s,
>and
>>>>intel.
>>>>
>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>DC, Leopard would not run that good anyway on a G3 or G4. That OS what
>>>built
>>>>>for Dual core/Core Dual Intels. Not that old motorola stuff..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Guess what? Got an older iBook? Maybe an older G3 or G4
>>>>>>tower?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Want to upgrade to Leopard?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You're screwed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No CD-Rom version exists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So if you have an older box without a DVD drive it is now
>>>>>>an orphan. And no you can't install from an outboard drive
>>>>>>because you cannot boot from an outboard drive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Stupid, stupid, stupid...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Like it would be really hard to release a CD version...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This deliberate obsolete-ing of products to force you to buy
>>>>>>new ones is stupid, scummy, and certainly not green...
>>>>>>Which is important if you remember that Algore is on the
>>>>>>Apple board and Jobs was SO PROUD of him for winning the
>>>>>>Nobel...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Computer companies suck... all of them.
>>>>>>DC
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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| Re: Apple sucks [message #92304 is a reply to message #92276] |
Fri, 02 November 2007 15:37 |
TCB
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For some reason BSD based *NIXs are always HUGE. Never been able to figure
out why, but maybe I should. You can still get Ubuntu 7.10 on a single live
CD, boot it, and install the whole damn thing from that one disc. And that
INCLUDES and office suite, productivity apps, media players, and so on. Pretty
good. My Debian installs are all done from 150MB netinstall images.
I know, I know, not pro audio OSs. My point is only that OS bloat is a choice.
TCB
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
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>Guess what? Got an older iBook? Maybe an older G3 or G4
>tower?
>
>Want to upgrade to Leopard?
>
>You're screwed.
>
>No CD-Rom version exists.
>
>So if you have an older box without a DVD drive it is now
>an orphan. And no you can't install from an outboard drive
>because you cannot boot from an outboard drive.
>
>Stupid, stupid, stupid...
>
>Like it would be really hard to release a CD version...
>
>This deliberate obsolete-ing of products to force you to buy
>new ones is stupid, scummy, and certainly not green...
>Which is important if you remember that Algore is on the
>Apple board and Jobs was SO PROUD of him for winning the
>Nobel...
>
>Computer companies suck... all of them.
>DC
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| Re: Apple sucks [message #92306 is a reply to message #92285] |
Fri, 02 November 2007 17:04 |
Steve Helm
Messages: 37
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Here you are..
http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20071029000757347
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
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>thanks Steve! Do you have the url for that article?
>
>DC
>
>
>"Steve Helm" <shelm@radford.edu> wrote:
>>
>>Relax...
>>MacFixit.com has a workaround:
>>
>>"Run Leopard (Mac OS X 10.5) on pre-867MHz systems
>>
>>Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) requires Mac with an Intel, PowerPC G5, or PowerPC
>>G4 processor running at 867MHz or faster, and will refuse to install on
>any
>>systems running at a lower clock speed (even dual 800 MHz systems are excluded).
>>However, there's an easy way to trick your lower-than-867 MHz Mac into
running
>>Leopard: install the operating system on an external FireWire hard drive
>>using a computer that does meet the minimum clock speed requirements. You
>>can then use that drive to boot a Mac running at less than 867 MHz (see
>the
>>screenshot below for proof).
>>
>>Better yet, you can hook a pre-867 MHz Mac up to a Mac that does meet official
>>Leopard requirements and boot it in Target Disk Mode, then install Leopard
>>directly. This should (we haven't yet tested this method) allow you to
boot
>>Leopard from the system's internal hard drive.
>>
>>For more information on installing Leopard on a FireWire drive, see this
>>article.
>>
>>Obviously, performance for some features will be somewhat sluggish on older
>>processors, but we've already received reports indicating normal operation.
>>
>>MacFixIt reader Jim writes:
>>
>>"(I) hooked a Leopard drive to a 533 Mhz G4. It boots and runs fine. I
don't
>>know why Apple limited it to 867 or above. Maybe something will show up
>down
>>the road but so far I don't see any slowdown in speed or any anomalies.
>QT
>>movies and trailers play, Flip4Mac plays fine. It has only been a short
>while
>>on it, but so far I don't get why they cut it off where they did."
>>
>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Guess what? Got an older iBook? Maybe an older G3 or G4
>>>tower?
>>>
>>>Want to upgrade to Leopard?
>>>
>>>You're screwed.
>>>
>>>No CD-Rom version exists.
>>>
>>>So if you have an older box without a DVD drive it is now
>>>an orphan. And no you can't install from an outboard drive
>>>because you cannot boot from an outboard drive.
>>>
>>>Stupid, stupid, stupid...
>>>
>>>Like it would be really hard to release a CD version...
>>>
>>>This deliberate obsolete-ing of products to force you to buy
>>>new ones is stupid, scummy, and certainly not green...
>>>Which is important if you remember that Algore is on the
>>>Apple board and Jobs was SO PROUD of him for winning the
>>>Nobel...
>>>
>>>Computer companies suck... all of them.
>>>DC
>>
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| Re: Apple sucks [message #92307 is a reply to message #92306] |
Fri, 02 November 2007 17:30 |
DC
Messages: 722
Registered: July 2005
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thanks!
DC
"Steve Helm" <shelm@radford.edu> wrote:
>
>Here you are..
>http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20071029000757347
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>
>>thanks Steve! Do you have the url for that article?
>>
>>DC
>>
>>
>>"Steve Helm" <shelm@radford.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>Relax...
>>>MacFixit.com has a workaround:
>>>
>>>"Run Leopard (Mac OS X 10.5) on pre-867MHz systems
>>>
>>>Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) requires Mac with an Intel, PowerPC G5, or PowerPC
>>>G4 processor running at 867MHz or faster, and will refuse to install on
>>any
>>>systems running at a lower clock speed (even dual 800 MHz systems are
excluded).
>>>However, there's an easy way to trick your lower-than-867 MHz Mac into
>running
>>>Leopard: install the operating system on an external FireWire hard drive
>>>using a computer that does meet the minimum clock speed requirements.
You
>>>can then use that drive to boot a Mac running at less than 867 MHz (see
>>the
>>>screenshot below for proof).
>>>
>>>Better yet, you can hook a pre-867 MHz Mac up to a Mac that does meet
official
>>>Leopard requirements and boot it in Target Disk Mode, then install Leopard
>>>directly. This should (we haven't yet tested this method) allow you to
>boot
>>>Leopard from the system's internal hard drive.
>>>
>>>For more information on installing Leopard on a FireWire drive, see this
>>>article.
>>>
>>>Obviously, performance for some features will be somewhat sluggish on
older
>>>processors, but we've already received reports indicating normal operation.
>>>
>>>MacFixIt reader Jim writes:
>>>
>>>"(I) hooked a Leopard drive to a 533 Mhz G4. It boots and runs fine. I
>don't
>>>know why Apple limited it to 867 or above. Maybe something will show up
>>down
>>>the road but so far I don't see any slowdown in speed or any anomalies.
>>QT
>>>movies and trailers play, Flip4Mac plays fine. It has only been a short
>>while
>>>on it, but so far I don't get why they cut it off where they did."
>>>
>>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Guess what? Got an older iBook? Maybe an older G3 or G4
>>>>tower?
>>>>
>>>>Want to upgrade to Leopard?
>>>>
>>>>You're screwed.
>>>>
>>>>No CD-Rom version exists.
>>>>
>>>>So if you have an older box without a DVD drive it is now
>>>>an orphan. And no you can't install from an outboard drive
>>>>because you cannot boot from an outboard drive.
>>>>
>>>>Stupid, stupid, stupid...
>>>>
>>>>Like it would be really hard to release a CD version...
>>>>
>>>>This deliberate obsolete-ing of products to force you to buy
>>>>new ones is stupid, scummy, and certainly not green...
>>>>Which is important if you remember that Algore is on the
>>>>Apple board and Jobs was SO PROUD of him for winning the
>>>>Nobel...
>>>>
>>>>Computer companies suck... all of them.
>>>>DC
>>>
>>
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| Re: Apple sucks [message #92309 is a reply to message #92300] |
Fri, 02 November 2007 17:38 |
dc[3]
Messages: 895
Registered: September 2005
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In the car biz, if you are going to make a car and put it on
the market, you have to provide parts for 10 years. It's
a legal requirement.
Now, I am a free enterprise guy, but it sounds like a good idea
to me...
DC
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I don't think anybody expects to be able to run Leopard on a 16-17 year
old
>Quadra, anymore than running Windows Vista on a 286-386. It does suck
that
>Apple drew the line where they did, summer 2001, but they have to draw the
>line some where. Some Mac users would use old machines forever if they
didn't.
> I won't up grade until I have to; )
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Please, that what's worng with you Mac Only folks. PC guys/gals, understand
>>that with a New OS update, you need more CPU/RAM juice.
>>
>>Mac guy/Gal still want to run Leopard of a Mac Quadra (LoL!!).. Yes, we
>know
>>how much you have invested $$$.Let it go. Stay with the OS is was primed
>>for..
>>
>>Get a new Mac. A Current Mac. They're great.
>>
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Come on LaMont, you don't know that to be true. It runs on G4s, G5s,
and
>>>intel.
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>DC, Leopard would not run that good anyway on a G3 or G4. That OS what
>>built
>>>>for Dual core/Core Dual Intels. Not that old motorola stuff..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Guess what? Got an older iBook? Maybe an older G3 or G4
>>>>>tower?
>>>>>
>>>>>Want to upgrade to Leopard?
>>>>>
>>>>>You're screwed.
>>>>>
>>>>>No CD-Rom version exists.
>>>>>
>>>>>So if you have an older box without a DVD drive it is now
>>>>>an orphan. And no you can't install from an outboard drive
>>>>>because you cannot boot from an outboard drive.
>>>>>
>>>>>Stupid, stupid, stupid...
>>>>>
>>>>>Like it would be really hard to release a CD version...
>>>>>
>>>>>This deliberate obsolete-ing of products to force you to buy
>>>>>new ones is stupid, scummy, and certainly not green...
>>>>>Which is important if you remember that Algore is on the
>>>>>Apple board and Jobs was SO PROUD of him for winning the
>>>>>Nobel...
>>>>>
>>>>>Computer companies suck... all of them.
>>>>>DC
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Apple sucks [message #92330 is a reply to message #92309] |
Sat, 03 November 2007 12:43 |
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That's the car biz.. But, software companies do support thier os for at least
10 years. Win 2k is still beign supported.
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
>In the car biz, if you are going to make a car and put it on
>the market, you have to provide parts for 10 years. It's
>a legal requirement.
>
>Now, I am a free enterprise guy, but it sounds like a good idea
>to me...
>
>DC
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>I don't think anybody expects to be able to run Leopard on a 16-17 year
>old
>>Quadra, anymore than running Windows Vista on a 286-386. It does suck
>that
>>Apple drew the line where they did, summer 2001, but they have to draw
the
>>line some where. Some Mac users would use old machines forever if they
>didn't.
>> I won't up grade until I have to; )
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Please, that what's worng with you Mac Only folks. PC guys/gals, understand
>>>that with a New OS update, you need more CPU/RAM juice.
>>>
>>>Mac guy/Gal still want to run Leopard of a Mac Quadra (LoL!!).. Yes, we
>>know
>>>how much you have invested $$$.Let it go. Stay with the OS is was primed
>>>for..
>>>
>>>Get a new Mac. A Current Mac. They're great.
>>>
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Come on LaMont, you don't know that to be true. It runs on G4s, G5s,
>and
>>>>intel.
>>>>
>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>DC, Leopard would not run that good anyway on a G3 or G4. That OS what
>>>built
>>>>>for Dual core/Core Dual Intels. Not that old motorola stuff..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Guess what? Got an older iBook? Maybe an older G3 or G4
>>>>>>tower?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Want to upgrade to Leopard?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You're screwed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No CD-Rom version exists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So if you have an older box without a DVD drive it is now
>>>>>>an orphan. And no you can't install from an outboard drive
>>>>>>because you cannot boot from an outboard drive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Stupid, stupid, stupid...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Like it would be really hard to release a CD version...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This deliberate obsolete-ing of products to force you to buy
>>>>>>new ones is stupid, scummy, and certainly not green...
>>>>>>Which is important if you remember that Algore is on the
>>>>>>Apple board and Jobs was SO PROUD of him for winning the
>>>>>>Nobel...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Computer companies suck... all of them.
>>>>>>DC
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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