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| Re: Vocal chains [message #98195 is a reply to message #98193] |
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Really, *really* good luck with the UA610. It's pretty magnificent,
particularly at the price point.
- Kerry
On 4/24/08 4:23 PM, in article 4811167f$1@linux, "Tyrone Corbett"
<tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Hey guys, what's everyone doing vocal chain wise? I'm using the following
> on most projects.
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> SE Gemini
> Avalon 757Sp (a little tube vibe)
> Neve Portico 5012
> Urie 1178
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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| Re: Vocal chains [message #98215 is a reply to message #98193] |
Fri, 25 April 2008 03:01 |
Kim W
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LOL!! (...and I know you will!, for I am a mere buffoon, who's
ears were once "golden" [puke], but the perfect pitch is still
reasonably intact).
My preferred mic WAS an MXL V69, before it became noisy.
(a U47 a client insisted on hiring for a session came a close
second), but now I have to use my Rode Classic II until I get
the V69 sorted.
Then into a Focusrite Green voice box.
Pretty low rent compared to you guys, but what the hey..
it's what one does in the context of a mix that counts, right??
(During mixing I use Ozone, pretty deep, with 15 ms latency,
but lovely nonetheless.
Incidentally a friend brought round his prized single channel
Avalon preamp for a session, dunno the model, but it looks funky),
and we both agreed there was no perceivable
difference between it and one of the strips
on my Soundcraft Vienna MK1.
Don't get me wrong, I love good gear,
and all those bakelite knobs look really cool, but I'd rather pay off my
house first.
Flame away!
"Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
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>Hey guys, what's everyone doing vocal chain wise? I'm using the following
>on most projects.
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>SE Gemini
>Avalon 757Sp (a little tube vibe)
>Neve Portico 5012
>Urie 1178
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| Re: Vocal chains [message #98263 is a reply to message #98262] |
Sat, 26 April 2008 11:16 |
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Anyone tried these out yet? Vince Gill and Amy Grant seem to like them, and
I might be off base but I seem to recall being pleasantly surprised by the
price.
http://www.bigmics.com/nav-page.html
On 4/26/08 9:35 AM, in article 481359ec$1@linux, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com>
wrote:
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> Yup, we've used it on a lot of stuff. Kind of cool because it's not a 'sound
> like' mic. It sounds like itself. I'm a little surprised more people don't
> talk about that mic. I also wonder if the other BLUE mics are as
> good/interesting.
>
>
> TCB
>
> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>> I think the Baby Bottle is a very nice mic.
>>
>> TCB wrote:
>>> We've been tracking Monkievox for the past few weeks. So far my voice
> and
>>> one of the singer's voices are sounding best through a BLUE Baby Bottle.
>>> The other singer is sounding better through one of the Claytor DIY mics
> that
>>> Deej sold me. It's definitely going for a Neuman sound, but don't have
> quite
>>> the high-mid zing that tends to turn me off from some of their mics.
>>>
>>> For pre/comp we've either used a Langevin DVC with just a bit of the limiter
>>> coming in or the Sytek on some of the backing vox. I've also had our SE
> Ribbon,
>>> a borrowed SE Gemini, and a couple of other mics up on the stand but for
>>> male vox we're settled on the Bottle or the Claytor.
>>>
>>> Not the fanciest chain by any stretch but pretty good bang for the buck.
>>> I've only done a little test mixing but so far but I've been using the
> SSL
>>> modeled Focusrite plugs for EQ/Comp when mixing. They sound pretty sweet
>>> to me.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> "Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Hey guys, what's everyone doing vocal chain wise? I'm using the following
>>>> on most projects.
>>>>
>>>> SE Gemini
>>>> Avalon 757Sp (a little tube vibe)
>>>> Neve Portico 5012
>>>> Urie 1178
>>>
>
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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| Re: Vocal chains [message #98264 is a reply to message #98263] |
Sat, 26 April 2008 11:33 |
Tom Bruhl
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I've been happy with this for the pristine sound.
414eb / U87
Precision 8
Distressor
or this for some guts.
Shure SM7/CAD Vx2
Neve 3104 (with some 10k boosted)
Distressor
The Big-Er mic is looking like a $3000 expense.
Not inexpensive for me.
Looks interesting just the same though.
Tom
"Kerry Galloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote in message =
news:C438BF85.ACBF%kg@kerrygalloway.com...
Anyone tried these out yet? Vince Gill and Amy Grant seem to like =
them, and
I might be off base but I seem to recall being pleasantly surprised by =
the
price.
http://www.bigmics.com/nav-page.html
On 4/26/08 9:35 AM, in article 481359ec$1@linux, "TCB" =
<nobody@ishere.com>
wrote:
>=20
> Yup, we've used it on a lot of stuff. Kind of cool because it's not =
a 'sound
> like' mic. It sounds like itself. I'm a little surprised more people =
don't
> talk about that mic. I also wonder if the other BLUE mics are as
> good/interesting.
>=20
>=20
> TCB
>=20
> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>> I think the Baby Bottle is a very nice mic.
>>=20
>> TCB wrote:
>>> We've been tracking Monkievox for the past few weeks. So far my =
voice
> and
>>> one of the singer's voices are sounding best through a BLUE Baby =
Bottle.
>>> The other singer is sounding better through one of the Claytor DIY =
mics
> that
>>> Deej sold me. It's definitely going for a Neuman sound, but don't =
have
> quite
>>> the high-mid zing that tends to turn me off from some of their =
mics.
>>>=20
>>> For pre/comp we've either used a Langevin DVC with just a bit of =
the limiter
>>> coming in or the Sytek on some of the backing vox. I've also had =
our SE
> Ribbon,
>>> a borrowed SE Gemini, and a couple of other mics up on the stand =
but for
>>> male vox we're settled on the Bottle or the Claytor.
>>>=20
>>> Not the fanciest chain by any stretch but pretty good bang for the =
buck.
>>> I've only done a little test mixing but so far but I've been using =
the
> SSL
>>> modeled Focusrite plugs for EQ/Comp when mixing. They sound pretty =
sweet
>>> to me.
>>>=20
>>> TCB=20
>>>=20
>>> "Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Hey guys, what's everyone doing vocal chain wise? I'm using the =
following
>>>> on most projects.
>>>>=20
>>>> SE Gemini
>>>> Avalon 757Sp (a little tube vibe)
>>>> Neve Portico 5012
>>>> Urie 1178
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#800000>I've been happy with =
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#800000>414eb / =
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| Re: Vocal chains [message #98271 is a reply to message #98270] |
Sun, 27 April 2008 09:41 |
TCB
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Yup, you shanked that one Deej. He he ;-)
The other place that mic found LOTS of work was, of all places, guitar cabs.
I tracked all of my geetars using the 'Steve Albini Technique.' One dark
mic (the SE ribbon), and one bright mic (the green/gold Claytor) pointed
pretty close to the middle of the cone about a foot back. The guys in the
band had a great time making fun of me meticulously lining up the mic capsules
so they were as close to exactly the same distance off the speaker, and to
each other, as I could manage. What a sound, and EQ is almost never needed,
just mix the two mics together.
It also sounds great on one of the singers in the Monkies. He has a thinner,
higher speaking voice than rest of us and somehow the Claytor beefs his vox
up a bit. It's just a little more flattering than the BLUE.
Oh, that Claytor is also a GREAT acoustic guitar mic. I used it on all of
the acoustics pointed right at the neck at about the 10th fret. Lovely percussive
sounding acoustic geetars. Yup, that mic really sucks.
Sorry you lost that mic. OK, that's a lie. I'm not sorry at all. Thanks Deej!
Anything else you want to get rid of?
TCB
"Deej" <noway@jose.us> wrote:
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>I miss that green Clayor mic with the gold windscreen. I think it was easily
>the equal of my Peluso 2247.........and in some cases a better/easier mic
>to use. The Peluso can do the job, but there are lots of polar patterns
to
>wade through to nail a source. the Claytorbilt just did it effortless with
>one polar pattern (and it has a Peluso capsule, BTW). The cardioid PP on
>the Peluso 2247 isn't nearly as flattering to most sources as it is on that
>Claytorbilt. I've learned to live with the Peluso and I like it fine, but
>I FU'ed selling that Claytorbilt. I'm glad it ended up in good hands.
>
>;)
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>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>Yup, we've used it on a lot of stuff. Kind of cool because it's not a 'sound
>>like' mic. It sounds like itself. I'm a little surprised more people don't
>>talk about that mic. I also wonder if the other BLUE mics are as good/interesting.
>>
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>I think the Baby Bottle is a very nice mic.
>>>
>>>TCB wrote:
>>>> We've been tracking Monkievox for the past few weeks. So far my voice
>>and
>>>> one of the singer's voices are sounding best through a BLUE Baby Bottle.
>>>> The other singer is sounding better through one of the Claytor DIY mics
>>that
>>>> Deej sold me. It's definitely going for a Neuman sound, but don't have
>>quite
>>>> the high-mid zing that tends to turn me off from some of their mics.
>
>>>>
>>>> For pre/comp we've either used a Langevin DVC with just a bit of the
>limiter
>>>> coming in or the Sytek on some of the backing vox. I've also had our
>SE
>>Ribbon,
>>>> a borrowed SE Gemini, and a couple of other mics up on the stand but
>for
>>>> male vox we're settled on the Bottle or the Claytor.
>>>>
>>>> Not the fanciest chain by any stretch but pretty good bang for the buck.
>>>> I've only done a little test mixing but so far but I've been using the
>>SSL
>>>> modeled Focusrite plugs for EQ/Comp when mixing. They sound pretty sweet
>>>> to me.
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> "Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hey guys, what's everyone doing vocal chain wise? I'm using the following
>>>>> on most projects.
>>>>>
>>>>> SE Gemini
>>>>> Avalon 757Sp (a little tube vibe)
>>>>> Neve Portico 5012
>>>>> Urie 1178
>>>>
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| Re: Vocal chains [message #98272 is a reply to message #98263] |
Sun, 27 April 2008 09:45 |
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I have a friend who has a BIG mic. He's in love. I have not yet tried it.
gantt
Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>Anyone tried these out yet? Vince Gill and Amy Grant seem to like them,
and
>I might be off base but I seem to recall being pleasantly surprised by the
>price.
>
>http://www.bigmics.com/nav-page.html
>
>On 4/26/08 9:35 AM, in article 481359ec$1@linux, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> Yup, we've used it on a lot of stuff. Kind of cool because it's not a
'sound
>> like' mic. It sounds like itself. I'm a little surprised more people don't
>> talk about that mic. I also wonder if the other BLUE mics are as
>> good/interesting.
>>
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>> I think the Baby Bottle is a very nice mic.
>>>
>>> TCB wrote:
>>>> We've been tracking Monkievox for the past few weeks. So far my voice
>> and
>>>> one of the singer's voices are sounding best through a BLUE Baby Bottle.
>>>> The other singer is sounding better through one of the Claytor DIY mics
>> that
>>>> Deej sold me. It's definitely going for a Neuman sound, but don't have
>> quite
>>>> the high-mid zing that tends to turn me off from some of their mics.
>>>>
>>>> For pre/comp we've either used a Langevin DVC with just a bit of the
limiter
>>>> coming in or the Sytek on some of the backing vox. I've also had our
SE
>> Ribbon,
>>>> a borrowed SE Gemini, and a couple of other mics up on the stand but
for
>>>> male vox we're settled on the Bottle or the Claytor.
>>>>
>>>> Not the fanciest chain by any stretch but pretty good bang for the buck.
>>>> I've only done a little test mixing but so far but I've been using the
>> SSL
>>>> modeled Focusrite plugs for EQ/Comp when mixing. They sound pretty sweet
>>>> to me.
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> "Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hey guys, what's everyone doing vocal chain wise? I'm using the following
>>>>> on most projects.
>>>>>
>>>>> SE Gemini
>>>>> Avalon 757Sp (a little tube vibe)
>>>>> Neve Portico 5012
>>>>> Urie 1178
>>>>
>>
>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: Vocal chains [message #98273 is a reply to message #98270] |
Sun, 27 April 2008 11:38 |
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Did you ever get a chance to try the Dave Thomas modded APEX mics with the
Peluso caps?
The reason I ask is that Dave is a friend of a friend and lives locally. The
friends I know that have them completely rave about them - the prime
complaint that I heard about the Thomas mods online, that he hit a bad patch
with servicing orders and took a hit to his reputation, is apparently not an
issue if you're local. I'd imagine he got bitten by the old "expertise in
one's field of specialization does not automatically confer expertise at
running a business past a certain level of complexity" thing.
Curious if anyone had any experience with them.
- K
On 4/27/08 9:10 AM, in article 4814a55c$1@linux, "Deej" <noway@jose.us>
wrote:
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> I miss that green Clayor mic with the gold windscreen. I think it was easily
> the equal of my Peluso 2247.........and in some cases a better/easier mic
> to use. The Peluso can do the job, but there are lots of polar patterns to
> wade through to nail a source. the Claytorbilt just did it effortless with
> one polar pattern (and it has a Peluso capsule, BTW). The cardioid PP on
> the Peluso 2247 isn't nearly as flattering to most sources as it is on that
> Claytorbilt. I've learned to live with the Peluso and I like it fine, but
> I FU'ed selling that Claytorbilt. I'm glad it ended up in good hands.
>
> ;)
>
>
>
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yup, we've used it on a lot of stuff. Kind of cool because it's not a 'sound
>> like' mic. It sounds like itself. I'm a little surprised more people don't
>> talk about that mic. I also wonder if the other BLUE mics are as
>> good/interesting.
>>
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>> I think the Baby Bottle is a very nice mic.
>>>
>>> TCB wrote:
>>>> We've been tracking Monkievox for the past few weeks. So far my voice
>> and
>>>> one of the singer's voices are sounding best through a BLUE Baby Bottle.
>>>> The other singer is sounding better through one of the Claytor DIY mics
>> that
>>>> Deej sold me. It's definitely going for a Neuman sound, but don't have
>> quite
>>>> the high-mid zing that tends to turn me off from some of their mics.
>
>>>>
>>>> For pre/comp we've either used a Langevin DVC with just a bit of the
> limiter
>>>> coming in or the Sytek on some of the backing vox. I've also had our
> SE
>> Ribbon,
>>>> a borrowed SE Gemini, and a couple of other mics up on the stand but
> for
>>>> male vox we're settled on the Bottle or the Claytor.
>>>>
>>>> Not the fanciest chain by any stretch but pretty good bang for the buck.
>>>> I've only done a little test mixing but so far but I've been using the
>> SSL
>>>> modeled Focusrite plugs for EQ/Comp when mixing. They sound pretty sweet
>>>> to me.
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> "Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hey guys, what's everyone doing vocal chain wise? I'm using the following
>>>>> on most projects.
>>>>>
>>>>> SE Gemini
>>>>> Avalon 757Sp (a little tube vibe)
>>>>> Neve Portico 5012
>>>>> Urie 1178
>>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Vocal chains [message #98275 is a reply to message #98273] |
Sun, 27 April 2008 13:37 |
Bill L
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Well, he's dead, so you would have to ask his daughter Wendy, although
what she knows about mics can't be too much - I mean she's got frickin'
orange hair and braids that stick out sideways fer cryin out loud.
Kerry Galloway wrote:
> Did you ever get a chance to try the Dave Thomas modded APEX mics with the
> Peluso caps?
>
> The reason I ask is that Dave is a friend of a friend and lives locally. The
> friends I know that have them completely rave about them - the prime
> complaint that I heard about the Thomas mods online, that he hit a bad patch
> with servicing orders and took a hit to his reputation, is apparently not an
> issue if you're local. I'd imagine he got bitten by the old "expertise in
> one's field of specialization does not automatically confer expertise at
> running a business past a certain level of complexity" thing.
>
> Curious if anyone had any experience with them.
>
> - K
>
> On 4/27/08 9:10 AM, in article 4814a55c$1@linux, "Deej" <noway@jose.us>
> wrote:
>
>> I miss that green Clayor mic with the gold windscreen. I think it was easily
>> the equal of my Peluso 2247.........and in some cases a better/easier mic
>> to use. The Peluso can do the job, but there are lots of polar patterns to
>> wade through to nail a source. the Claytorbilt just did it effortless with
>> one polar pattern (and it has a Peluso capsule, BTW). The cardioid PP on
>> the Peluso 2247 isn't nearly as flattering to most sources as it is on that
>> Claytorbilt. I've learned to live with the Peluso and I like it fine, but
>> I FU'ed selling that Claytorbilt. I'm glad it ended up in good hands.
>>
>> ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>> Yup, we've used it on a lot of stuff. Kind of cool because it's not a 'sound
>>> like' mic. It sounds like itself. I'm a little surprised more people don't
>>> talk about that mic. I also wonder if the other BLUE mics are as
>>> good/interesting.
>>>
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>> I think the Baby Bottle is a very nice mic.
>>>>
>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>> We've been tracking Monkievox for the past few weeks. So far my voice
>>> and
>>>>> one of the singer's voices are sounding best through a BLUE Baby Bottle.
>>>>> The other singer is sounding better through one of the Claytor DIY mics
>>> that
>>>>> Deej sold me. It's definitely going for a Neuman sound, but don't have
>>> quite
>>>>> the high-mid zing that tends to turn me off from some of their mics.
>>>>> For pre/comp we've either used a Langevin DVC with just a bit of the
>> limiter
>>>>> coming in or the Sytek on some of the backing vox. I've also had our
>> SE
>>> Ribbon,
>>>>> a borrowed SE Gemini, and a couple of other mics up on the stand but
>> for
>>>>> male vox we're settled on the Bottle or the Claytor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not the fanciest chain by any stretch but pretty good bang for the buck.
>>>>> I've only done a little test mixing but so far but I've been using the
>>> SSL
>>>>> modeled Focusrite plugs for EQ/Comp when mixing. They sound pretty sweet
>>>>> to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> TCB
>>>>>
>>>>> "Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Hey guys, what's everyone doing vocal chain wise? I'm using the following
>>>>>> on most projects.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SE Gemini
>>>>>> Avalon 757Sp (a little tube vibe)
>>>>>> Neve Portico 5012
>>>>>> Urie 1178
>
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| Re: Vocal chains [message #98276 is a reply to message #98275] |
Sun, 27 April 2008 15:24 |
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LOL. Okay, left myself wide open for that one.
I wonder how Wendy's mics would sound? Fat? Greasy? Lots of sizzle?
- Kerry
On 4/27/08 1:37 PM, in article 4814e6bb$1@linux, "Bill L"
<bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
> Well, he's dead, so you would have to ask his daughter Wendy, although
> what she knows about mics can't be too much - I mean she's got frickin'
> orange hair and braids that stick out sideways fer cryin out loud.
>
> Kerry Galloway wrote:
>> Did you ever get a chance to try the Dave Thomas modded APEX mics with the
>> Peluso caps?
>>
>> The reason I ask is that Dave is a friend of a friend and lives locally. The
>> friends I know that have them completely rave about them - the prime
>> complaint that I heard about the Thomas mods online, that he hit a bad patch
>> with servicing orders and took a hit to his reputation, is apparently not an
>> issue if you're local. I'd imagine he got bitten by the old "expertise in
>> one's field of specialization does not automatically confer expertise at
>> running a business past a certain level of complexity" thing.
>>
>> Curious if anyone had any experience with them.
>>
>> - K
>>
>> On 4/27/08 9:10 AM, in article 4814a55c$1@linux, "Deej" <noway@jose.us>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I miss that green Clayor mic with the gold windscreen. I think it was easily
>>> the equal of my Peluso 2247.........and in some cases a better/easier mic
>>> to use. The Peluso can do the job, but there are lots of polar patterns to
>>> wade through to nail a source. the Claytorbilt just did it effortless with
>>> one polar pattern (and it has a Peluso capsule, BTW). The cardioid PP on
>>> the Peluso 2247 isn't nearly as flattering to most sources as it is on that
>>> Claytorbilt. I've learned to live with the Peluso and I like it fine, but
>>> I FU'ed selling that Claytorbilt. I'm glad it ended up in good hands.
>>>
>>> ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>> Yup, we've used it on a lot of stuff. Kind of cool because it's not a
>>>> 'sound
>>>> like' mic. It sounds like itself. I'm a little surprised more people don't
>>>> talk about that mic. I also wonder if the other BLUE mics are as
>>>> good/interesting.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>> I think the Baby Bottle is a very nice mic.
>>>>>
>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>> We've been tracking Monkievox for the past few weeks. So far my voice
>>>> and
>>>>>> one of the singer's voices are sounding best through a BLUE Baby Bottle.
>>>>>> The other singer is sounding better through one of the Claytor DIY mics
>>>> that
>>>>>> Deej sold me. It's definitely going for a Neuman sound, but don't have
>>>> quite
>>>>>> the high-mid zing that tends to turn me off from some of their mics.
>>>>>> For pre/comp we've either used a Langevin DVC with just a bit of the
>>> limiter
>>>>>> coming in or the Sytek on some of the backing vox. I've also had our
>>> SE
>>>> Ribbon,
>>>>>> a borrowed SE Gemini, and a couple of other mics up on the stand but
>>> for
>>>>>> male vox we're settled on the Bottle or the Claytor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not the fanciest chain by any stretch but pretty good bang for the buck.
>>>>>> I've only done a little test mixing but so far but I've been using the
>>>> SSL
>>>>>> modeled Focusrite plugs for EQ/Comp when mixing. They sound pretty sweet
>>>>>> to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey guys, what's everyone doing vocal chain wise? I'm using the
>>>>>>> following
>>>>>>> on most projects.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> SE Gemini
>>>>>>> Avalon 757Sp (a little tube vibe)
>>>>>>> Neve Portico 5012
>>>>>>> Urie 1178
>>
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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| Re: Vocal chains [message #98277 is a reply to message #98271] |
Sun, 27 April 2008 15:58 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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Senior Member |
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Thadster, is there much/any of a difference between the
Claytorbuilt mic you got from Deej vs. the one you got from me?
Just wondering, because I know Mike did Deej's with a Peluso
capsule & the one you got from me was the "oringal" project mod,
which kept the stock capsule.
Neil
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Yup, you shanked that one Deej. He he ;-)
>
>The other place that mic found LOTS of work was, of all places, guitar cabs.
>I tracked all of my geetars using the 'Steve Albini Technique.' One dark
>mic (the SE ribbon), and one bright mic (the green/gold Claytor) pointed
>pretty close to the middle of the cone about a foot back. The guys in the
>band had a great time making fun of me meticulously lining up the mic capsules
>so they were as close to exactly the same distance off the speaker, and
to
>each other, as I could manage. What a sound, and EQ is almost never needed,
>just mix the two mics together.
>
>It also sounds great on one of the singers in the Monkies. He has a thinner,
>higher speaking voice than rest of us and somehow the Claytor beefs his
vox
>up a bit. It's just a little more flattering than the BLUE.
>
>Oh, that Claytor is also a GREAT acoustic guitar mic. I used it on all of
>the acoustics pointed right at the neck at about the 10th fret. Lovely percussive
>sounding acoustic geetars. Yup, that mic really sucks.
>
>Sorry you lost that mic. OK, that's a lie. I'm not sorry at all. Thanks
Deej!
>Anything else you want to get rid of?
>
>TCB
>
>"Deej" <noway@jose.us> wrote:
>>
>>I miss that green Clayor mic with the gold windscreen. I think it was easily
>>the equal of my Peluso 2247.........and in some cases a better/easier mic
>>to use. The Peluso can do the job, but there are lots of polar patterns
>to
>>wade through to nail a source. the Claytorbilt just did it effortless with
>>one polar pattern (and it has a Peluso capsule, BTW). The cardioid PP on
>>the Peluso 2247 isn't nearly as flattering to most sources as it is on
that
>>Claytorbilt. I've learned to live with the Peluso and I like it fine, but
>>I FU'ed selling that Claytorbilt. I'm glad it ended up in good hands.
>>
>>;)
>>
>>
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Yup, we've used it on a lot of stuff. Kind of cool because it's not a
'sound
>>>like' mic. It sounds like itself. I'm a little surprised more people don't
>>>talk about that mic. I also wonder if the other BLUE mics are as good/interesting.
>>>
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>I think the Baby Bottle is a very nice mic.
>>>>
>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>> We've been tracking Monkievox for the past few weeks. So far my voice
>>>and
>>>>> one of the singer's voices are sounding best through a BLUE Baby Bottle.
>>>>> The other singer is sounding better through one of the Claytor DIY
mics
>>>that
>>>>> Deej sold me. It's definitely going for a Neuman sound, but don't have
>>>quite
>>>>> the high-mid zing that tends to turn me off from some of their mics.
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For pre/comp we've either used a Langevin DVC with just a bit of the
>>limiter
>>>>> coming in or the Sytek on some of the backing vox. I've also had our
>>SE
>>>Ribbon,
>>>>> a borrowed SE Gemini, and a couple of other mics up on the stand but
>>for
>>>>> male vox we're settled on the Bottle or the Claytor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not the fanciest chain by any stretch but pretty good bang for the
buck.
>>>>> I've only done a little test mixing but so far but I've been using
the
>>>SSL
>>>>> modeled Focusrite plugs for EQ/Comp when mixing. They sound pretty
sweet
>>>>> to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> TCB
>>>>>
>>>>> "Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Hey guys, what's everyone doing vocal chain wise? I'm using the following
>>>>>> on most projects.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SE Gemini
>>>>>> Avalon 757Sp (a little tube vibe)
>>>>>> Neve Portico 5012
>>>>>> Urie 1178
>>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Vocal chains [message #98278 is a reply to message #98276] |
Sun, 27 April 2008 16:48 |
Bill L
Messages: 766
Registered: August 2006
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Senior Member |
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And that unusual square capsule
Kerry Galloway wrote:
> LOL. Okay, left myself wide open for that one.
>
> I wonder how Wendy's mics would sound? Fat? Greasy? Lots of sizzle?
>
> - Kerry
>
>
>
> On 4/27/08 1:37 PM, in article 4814e6bb$1@linux, "Bill L"
> <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, he's dead, so you would have to ask his daughter Wendy, although
>> what she knows about mics can't be too much - I mean she's got frickin'
>> orange hair and braids that stick out sideways fer cryin out loud.
>>
>> Kerry Galloway wrote:
>>> Did you ever get a chance to try the Dave Thomas modded APEX mics with the
>>> Peluso caps?
>>>
>>> The reason I ask is that Dave is a friend of a friend and lives locally. The
>>> friends I know that have them completely rave about them - the prime
>>> complaint that I heard about the Thomas mods online, that he hit a bad patch
>>> with servicing orders and took a hit to his reputation, is apparently not an
>>> issue if you're local. I'd imagine he got bitten by the old "expertise in
>>> one's field of specialization does not automatically confer expertise at
>>> running a business past a certain level of complexity" thing.
>>>
>>> Curious if anyone had any experience with them.
>>>
>>> - K
>>>
>>> On 4/27/08 9:10 AM, in article 4814a55c$1@linux, "Deej" <noway@jose.us>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I miss that green Clayor mic with the gold windscreen. I think it was easily
>>>> the equal of my Peluso 2247.........and in some cases a better/easier mic
>>>> to use. The Peluso can do the job, but there are lots of polar patterns to
>>>> wade through to nail a source. the Claytorbilt just did it effortless with
>>>> one polar pattern (and it has a Peluso capsule, BTW). The cardioid PP on
>>>> the Peluso 2247 isn't nearly as flattering to most sources as it is on that
>>>> Claytorbilt. I've learned to live with the Peluso and I like it fine, but
>>>> I FU'ed selling that Claytorbilt. I'm glad it ended up in good hands.
>>>>
>>>> ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>> Yup, we've used it on a lot of stuff. Kind of cool because it's not a
>>>>> 'sound
>>>>> like' mic. It sounds like itself. I'm a little surprised more people don't
>>>>> talk about that mic. I also wonder if the other BLUE mics are as
>>>>> good/interesting.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> TCB
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I think the Baby Bottle is a very nice mic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>> We've been tracking Monkievox for the past few weeks. So far my voice
>>>>> and
>>>>>>> one of the singer's voices are sounding best through a BLUE Baby Bottle.
>>>>>>> The other singer is sounding better through one of the Claytor DIY mics
>>>>> that
>>>>>>> Deej sold me. It's definitely going for a Neuman sound, but don't have
>>>>> quite
>>>>>>> the high-mid zing that tends to turn me off from some of their mics.
>>>>>>> For pre/comp we've either used a Langevin DVC with just a bit of the
>>>> limiter
>>>>>>> coming in or the Sytek on some of the backing vox. I've also had our
>>>> SE
>>>>> Ribbon,
>>>>>>> a borrowed SE Gemini, and a couple of other mics up on the stand but
>>>> for
>>>>>>> male vox we're settled on the Bottle or the Claytor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not the fanciest chain by any stretch but pretty good bang for the buck.
>>>>>>> I've only done a little test mixing but so far but I've been using the
>>>>> SSL
>>>>>>> modeled Focusrite plugs for EQ/Comp when mixing. They sound pretty sweet
>>>>>>> to me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hey guys, what's everyone doing vocal chain wise? I'm using the
>>>>>>>> following
>>>>>>>> on most projects.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> SE Gemini
>>>>>>>> Avalon 757Sp (a little tube vibe)
>>>>>>>> Neve Portico 5012
>>>>>>>> Urie 1178
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| Re: Vocal chains [message #98280 is a reply to message #98271] |
Sun, 27 April 2008 17:27 |
Deej
Messages: 130
Registered: September 2006
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Senior Member |
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"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Yup, you shanked that one Deej. He he ;-)
>
>The other place that mic found LOTS of work was, of all places, guitar cabs.
>I tracked all of my geetars using the 'Steve Albini Technique.' One dark
>mic (the SE ribbon), and one bright mic (the green/gold Claytor) pointed
>pretty close to the middle of the cone about a foot back. The guys in the
>band had a great time making fun of me meticulously lining up the mic capsules
>so they were as close to exactly the same distance off the speaker, and
to
>each other, as I could manage. What a sound, and EQ is almost never needed,
>just mix the two mics together.
>
>It also sounds great on one of the singers in the Monkies. He has a thinner,
>higher speaking voice than rest of us and somehow the Claytor beefs his
vox
>up a bit. It's just a little more flattering than the BLUE.
>
>Oh, that Claytor is also a GREAT acoustic guitar mic. I used it on all of
>the acoustics pointed right at the neck at about the 10th fret. Lovely percussive
>sounding acoustic geetars. Yup, that mic really sucks.
>
>Sorry you lost that mic. OK, that's a lie. I'm not sorry at all. Thanks
Deej!
>Anything else you want to get rid of?
>
>TCB
>
.........just give me right of first refusal if you ever decide to unload
it, unless you've already done that with someone else.
;o)
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| Re: Vocal chains [message #98283 is a reply to message #98277] |
Sun, 27 April 2008 20:16 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Senior Member |
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Hey Neil,
There _is_ a difference, but it's small enough that it's hard to put into
words. And I'm usually pretty good with words. The one Deej sold me is a
touch brighter, and a touch more present. It's almost a spacial thing, the
Deej mic sounds closer, more intimate. I used the one you sold me as a mono
room mic on drums because I liked the slightly more distant sound. I used
the Deej mic on acoustic guitars because I liked the 'closer' sound. Again,
I'm probably not doing a good job describing here.
The mics sounded different enough that I decided not to use them as overheads,
and I _really_ wanted to use them. I wound up using NT-5s and they sound
like crap. I think the drums on this CD are just going to suck, which is
sad. The songs are good, the playing is good, the other sounds are good,
but the drums just blow. Anyway, next time I'll have Claytorbuilt mics as
overheads and on the toms, and the drums will kick booty.
Thanks for the Claytor and the Bottle, they're both getting serious use.
TCB
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OI.com> wrote:
>
>Thadster, is there much/any of a difference between the
>Claytorbuilt mic you got from Deej vs. the one you got from me?
>
>Just wondering, because I know Mike did Deej's with a Peluso
>capsule & the one you got from me was the "oringal" project mod,
>which kept the stock capsule.
>
>Neil
>
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>Yup, you shanked that one Deej. He he ;-)
>>
>>The other place that mic found LOTS of work was, of all places, guitar
cabs.
>>I tracked all of my geetars using the 'Steve Albini Technique.' One dark
>>mic (the SE ribbon), and one bright mic (the green/gold Claytor) pointed
>>pretty close to the middle of the cone about a foot back. The guys in the
>>band had a great time making fun of me meticulously lining up the mic capsules
>>so they were as close to exactly the same distance off the speaker, and
>to
>>each other, as I could manage. What a sound, and EQ is almost never needed,
>>just mix the two mics together.
>>
>>It also sounds great on one of the singers in the Monkies. He has a thinner,
>>higher speaking voice than rest of us and somehow the Claytor beefs his
>vox
>>up a bit. It's just a little more flattering than the BLUE.
>>
>>Oh, that Claytor is also a GREAT acoustic guitar mic. I used it on all
of
>>the acoustics pointed right at the neck at about the 10th fret. Lovely
percussive
>>sounding acoustic geetars. Yup, that mic really sucks.
>>
>>Sorry you lost that mic. OK, that's a lie. I'm not sorry at all. Thanks
>Deej!
>>Anything else you want to get rid of?
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"Deej" <noway@jose.us> wrote:
>>>
>>>I miss that green Clayor mic with the gold windscreen. I think it was
easily
>>>the equal of my Peluso 2247.........and in some cases a better/easier
mic
>>>to use. The Peluso can do the job, but there are lots of polar patterns
>>to
>>>wade through to nail a source. the Claytorbilt just did it effortless
with
>>>one polar pattern (and it has a Peluso capsule, BTW). The cardioid PP
on
>>>the Peluso 2247 isn't nearly as flattering to most sources as it is on
>that
>>>Claytorbilt. I've learned to live with the Peluso and I like it fine,
but
>>>I FU'ed selling that Claytorbilt. I'm glad it ended up in good hands.
>>>
>>>;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Yup, we've used it on a lot of stuff. Kind of cool because it's not a
>'sound
>>>>like' mic. It sounds like itself. I'm a little surprised more people
don't
>>>>talk about that mic. I also wonder if the other BLUE mics are as good/interesting.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>>I think the Baby Bottle is a very nice mic.
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>> We've been tracking Monkievox for the past few weeks. So far my voice
>>>>and
>>>>>> one of the singer's voices are sounding best through a BLUE Baby Bottle.
>>>>>> The other singer is sounding better through one of the Claytor DIY
>mics
>>>>that
>>>>>> Deej sold me. It's definitely going for a Neuman sound, but don't
have
>>>>quite
>>>>>> the high-mid zing that tends to turn me off from some of their mics.
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For pre/comp we've either used a Langevin DVC with just a bit of the
>>>limiter
>>>>>> coming in or the Sytek on some of the backing vox. I've also had our
>>>SE
>>>>Ribbon,
>>>>>> a borrowed SE Gemini, and a couple of other mics up on the stand but
>>>for
>>>>>> male vox we're settled on the Bottle or the Claytor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not the fanciest chain by any stretch but pretty good bang for the
>buck.
>>>>>> I've only done a little test mixing but so far but I've been using
>the
>>>>SSL
>>>>>> modeled Focusrite plugs for EQ/Comp when mixing. They sound pretty
>sweet
>>>>>> to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey guys, what's everyone doing vocal chain wise? I'm using the following
>>>>>>> on most projects.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> SE Gemini
>>>>>>> Avalon 757Sp (a little tube vibe)
>>>>>>> Neve Portico 5012
>>>>>>> Urie 1178
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Vocal chains [message #98285 is a reply to message #98280] |
Sun, 27 April 2008 20:26 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Senior Member |
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Of course you get right of first refusal. In fact, if you want it back for
a particular session or project, just say the word. It has that fancy case
and everything. Easy to ship.
Once the Monx are done with this CD I'm back to working on my own stuff,
which is all beeps and blips and synth noises. No need for mics of any kind.
So the loverly sounding green and gold Claytor will just be sitting in a
closet, waiting for something to reproduce.
Really cool mic,
TCB
P.S. My second favorite guitar is my Les Paul gold top. I met the guy who
sold it to me some time around 1990. I sat in with his band one night, played
the guitar and said to him, 'If you ever want to sell this, just let me know.'
No big push, just a friendly thing, that it was a really special guitar.
Whenever I would see him around town I'd buy us a drink and mention, 'You
still have that Les Paul?' About five years ago he called me and said he'd
take $1500 for the LP. Here's the funny part, HE asked ME for a right of
first refusal if I ever sell the gold top. I think I'm in a long term rental
situation, but it's still in my house. And sounds like the wrath of god.
"Deej" <noway@jose.us> wrote:
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>Yup, you shanked that one Deej. He he ;-)
>>
>>The other place that mic found LOTS of work was, of all places, guitar
cabs.
>>I tracked all of my geetars using the 'Steve Albini Technique.' One dark
>>mic (the SE ribbon), and one bright mic (the green/gold Claytor) pointed
>>pretty close to the middle of the cone about a foot back. The guys in the
>>band had a great time making fun of me meticulously lining up the mic capsules
>>so they were as close to exactly the same distance off the speaker, and
>to
>>each other, as I could manage. What a sound, and EQ is almost never needed,
>>just mix the two mics together.
>>
>>It also sounds great on one of the singers in the Monkies. He has a thinner,
>>higher speaking voice than rest of us and somehow the Claytor beefs his
>vox
>>up a bit. It's just a little more flattering than the BLUE.
>>
>>Oh, that Claytor is also a GREAT acoustic guitar mic. I used it on all
of
>>the acoustics pointed right at the neck at about the 10th fret. Lovely
percussive
>>sounding acoustic geetars. Yup, that mic really sucks.
>>
>>Sorry you lost that mic. OK, that's a lie. I'm not sorry at all. Thanks
>Deej!
>>Anything else you want to get rid of?
>>
>>TCB
>>
>
>........just give me right of first refusal if you ever decide to unload
>it, unless you've already done that with someone else.
>
>;o)
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