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| What do you do? - Part two [message #89700] |
Wed, 12 September 2007 11:05  |
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So many clients become friends and they start conversations that, under the
influence of a little bit of Starbux Cafe Verrona or green or ginseng tea
(pick yer poison), become 30 minute escapades.
I try not to be the one to start these conversations and I try to do the
responsible thing after a while and say "OK boys and girls... Let's get back
to work!". But how do I write the bill? Charge for the talk time? I actually
had a client who loved to yap and he insisted that I charge for every minute.
He said it was part of the fun of recording for him. Of course, he has
a really good day gig!
Gantt
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: What do you do? - Part two [message #89704 is a reply to message #89700] |
Wed, 12 September 2007 11:20  |
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Join the club.
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
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>So many clients become friends and they start conversations that, under
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>influence of a little bit of Starbux Cafe Verrona or green or ginseng tea
>(pick yer poison), become 30 minute escapades.
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>I try not to be the one to start these conversations and I try to do the
>responsible thing after a while and say "OK boys and girls... Let's get
back
>to work!". But how do I write the bill? Charge for the talk time? I actually
>had a client who loved to yap and he insisted that I charge for every minute.
> He said it was part of the fun of recording for him. Of course, he has
>a really good day gig!
>
>Gantt
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| Re: What do you do? - Part two [message #89741 is a reply to message #89724] |
Wed, 12 September 2007 20:26 |
John Macy
Messages: 242
Registered: April 2006
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Day rates,,,,
EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>I sat in the control room by myself one day for 6 hours... didn't do a
>thing. The "artists" spent that whole time out in the lounge area
>arguing about percentages of royalties for various songs, then went
>home. I billed the entire 6 hours out at full rate.
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>David.
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>Carl Amburn wrote:
>> Yeah man - charge them. If they know the slightest bit at all that there
is
>> an hourly charge involved, then as long as you aren't the culprit for
any
>> delays or downtime, they need to pay up. You shouldn't feel bad about
that
>> at all.
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>> -Carl
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>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:46e82a6f$1@linux...
>>
>>>So many clients become friends and they start conversations that, under
>>
>> the
>>
>>>influence of a little bit of Starbux Cafe Verrona or green or ginseng
tea
>>>(pick yer poison), become 30 minute escapades.
>>>
>>>I try not to be the one to start these conversations and I try to do the
>>>responsible thing after a while and say "OK boys and girls... Let's get
>>
>> back
>>
>>>to work!". But how do I write the bill? Charge for the talk time? I
>>
>> actually
>>
>>>had a client who loved to yap and he insisted that I charge for every
>>
>> minute.
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>>> He said it was part of the fun of recording for him. Of course, he has
>>>a really good day gig!
>>>
>>>Gantt
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| Re: What do you do? - Part two [message #89744 is a reply to message #89737] |
Wed, 12 September 2007 21:27 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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Seriously, though, when I used to do this on a daily basis &
you'd work any number of hours, take a break, work some more,
grab some lunch, work some more, someone takes a smoke break,
then everyone files out to get a drink, pee, whatever, then you
come back & chat for 30 minutes, yada, yada... I always used to
wrap things up with a quick verbal recap:
"OK, we started at 11am, it's now ten after Midnight, so we
wrapped right at 12:00am; we grabbed lunch as we were setting
up, so that didn't slow us down any. We had a dinner break in
there for about an hour, bullshitted a little bit after that,
then we had that issue where the guitar didn't record right
that turned out to be a problem with that channel on the
console... that cost us a take, so we'll deduct some time
there... let's call it 11 & 1/2 hours altogether; how's that
sound?"
Recap just like that - that way they know that you're aware of
what's going on at all times, but that you're also willing to
allow for actual breaks, any down time that's not their fault,
as well as some "slack time", but perhaps not EVERY single
moment of chat time or loss of time where the singer has to
take a 20-minute "important" cell phone call from his
girlfriend while everyone sits & waits for him to do his thing,
etc, etc.
Make 'em sign the recept too, at the end of each session - log
start times & end times, as well as "official" breaks like
lunch/dinner, and THEN write the summary like this: "Total
Time: 12 1/2 hours. Billed Time: 11 1/2 hours" That way they
have a record of your generosity/willingness to be
reasonable/whatever you want to call it. YOU also have the same
record, if there's ever any dispute.
Stuff like that leaves nothing but a good impression on the
client.
Rule of Thumb: always round DOWN to the nearest half-hour, even
if the whole session went nearly nonstop... it costs you next
to nothing to do so, but pays dividends in the long run.
Neil
"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>LOL
>Nice.
>MR
>"Neil" <IUOI@OIU.com> wrote in message news:46e85a3b$1@linux...
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>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
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>> >I try not to be the one to start these conversations and I try
>> >to do the responsible thing after a while and say "OK boys and
>> >girls... Let's get back to work!". But how do I write the
>> >bill? Charge for the talk time?
>>
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>> Yes, but itemize it...
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>> Recording Time, billed at the Studio Rate = 4 hrs. @ $75/hr.
>> TTL = $300
>> Talk/Chat, billed at Therapy Rate = 1.5 hrs @ $125/hr.
>> TTL = $187.50
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>> TOTAL DUE FOR TODAY'S SESSION: $487.50
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>> :)
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| Re: What do you do? - Part two [message #89797 is a reply to message #89724] |
Thu, 13 September 2007 17:14 |
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Ah, but that's different. I charge full rate when they're out in the yard
smokin' dope!
Gantt
EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>I sat in the control room by myself one day for 6 hours... didn't do a
>thing. The "artists" spent that whole time out in the lounge area
>arguing about percentages of royalties for various songs, then went
>home. I billed the entire 6 hours out at full rate.
>
>David.
>
>Carl Amburn wrote:
>> Yeah man - charge them. If they know the slightest bit at all that there
is
>> an hourly charge involved, then as long as you aren't the culprit for
any
>> delays or downtime, they need to pay up. You shouldn't feel bad about
that
>> at all.
>>
>> -Carl
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>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:46e82a6f$1@linux...
>>
>>>So many clients become friends and they start conversations that, under
>>
>> the
>>
>>>influence of a little bit of Starbux Cafe Verrona or green or ginseng
tea
>>>(pick yer poison), become 30 minute escapades.
>>>
>>>I try not to be the one to start these conversations and I try to do the
>>>responsible thing after a while and say "OK boys and girls... Let's get
>>
>> back
>>
>>>to work!". But how do I write the bill? Charge for the talk time? I
>>
>> actually
>>
>>>had a client who loved to yap and he insisted that I charge for every
>>
>> minute.
>>
>>> He said it was part of the fun of recording for him. Of course, he has
>>>a really good day gig!
>>>
>>>Gantt
>>
>>
>>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: What do you do? - Part two [message #89823 is a reply to message #89803] |
Fri, 14 September 2007 09:38 |
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Yeah... Other peoples drug use is definitely an income booster. Back when
_I_ was the one using those illicit substances, however...
Gantt
"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>Me too.........plus, after that they are usually so worthless in the studio
>that we end up doing so many overdubs that the session goes on for a couple
>more hours longer than it would have otherwise before we wrap for the night,
>so if I know I've got potheads coming, I like to bill by the hour, not the
>day. Too big a PITA to throw them out when they want to stay on the clock
>past a reasonable 8 hour closin' time and give me some bullshit line that
>"we paid for the entire day and the day ain't over till midnight". If it's
>hourly, they eventually figure out that their screwing around is costing
>them money that they could be spending for bud and I get to go to be early
>and make more money to boot.
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>;o)
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>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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